HomeMy WebLinkAboutminutes.apz.20080401ASPEN PLANNING & ZONING COMMISSION MINUTES APRIL 1, 2008
MINUTES ................................................................................................................. 2
COMMENTS ...........................................................................:................................ 2
DECLARATIONS OF CONFLICTS OF INTEREST ............................................. 2
404 PARK AVE./414 PARK CIRCLE (ASPENWALK) CONCEPTUAL PUD.... 2
604 WEST MAIN, GROWTH MANAGEMENT .................................................... 3
1450 CRYSTAL LAKE ROAD, ASPEN CLUB, CONCEPTUAL SPA AND
ASSOCIATED REVIEWS ....................................................................................... 5
Public Comments :..................................................................................................... 9
RECONSIDERATION OF 300 PUPPY SMITH RESOLUTION ......................... 11
LIFT ONE TASK FORCE ...................................................................................... 12
FORMER CHAIR COMMENDATION ................................................................ 12
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LJ Erspamer opened the regular Aspen Planning & Zoning Commission Meeting
in Sister Cities Meeting Room at 4:30 pm. Brian Speck and Dina Bloom were
excused. Commissioners Michael Wampler, Cliff Weiss, Stan Gibbs, Jim
DeFrancia and LJ Erspamer were present. Staff in attendance were Jim True,
Special Counsel; Jennifer Phelan, Jessica Garrow, Sara Adams, Travis Coggin,
Community Development; Jackie Lothian, Deputy City Clerk.
MINUTES
LJ Erspamer made two corrections to the minutes (page 3 and 12).
MOTION: Michael Wampler moved to approve the minutes from March 3'd with
the corrections noted by LJ Erspamer; seconded by Cliff Weiss. All in favor,
APPROVED 5-0.
COMMENTS
Stan Gibbs asked if the commission could get keys to the building because they
can't always pick up the packets on Thursday or Friday. Jennifer Phelan
responded that they could deliver the packets. Jackie Lothian noted that the
packets were on aspenpitkin.com with the exception of the large parts.
LJ Erspamer asked if the changes could be red-lined. Jennifer Phelan replied that
usually there would be a staff note stating the new material based on comments of
the last meeting.
LJ Erspamer asked the commissioners to tell Jackie when they would be gone on
vacation.
DECLARATIONS OF CONFLICTS OF INTEREST
Jim DeFrancia was conflicted on the Aspen Club, 1450 Crystal Lake Road. LJ
Erspamer had a conflict on 604 West Main.
PUBLIC HEARING:
LJ Erspamer opened the public hearing for 404 Park Avenue/414 Park Circle,
Aspenwalk.
MOTION: Stan Gibbs moved to continue 404 Park Avenue / 414 Park Circle to
Apri115`"; seconded by Jim DeFrancia. All in favor, APPROVED.
PUBLIC HEARING:
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604 WEST MAIN GROWTH MANAGEMENT
Stan Gibbs opened the public hearing for 604 West Main, growth management
reviews. Jim True reviewed the public notice.
Sara Adams stated that 604 Main Street was a 9,000 square foot lot, designated
historic and located in the Main Street Historic District, which is zoned mixed use.
The applicant wanted to add two new buildings but the application before P&Z
was for two growth management reviews; the first review was for the enlargement
of a historic landmark and the second was for the affordable housing unit. P&Z
was the final authority for both of those growth management reviews.
Adams noted the project has already received conceptual approval from HPC and
after P&Z it will go back to HPC for final review. Adams said that there were
currently 5 buildings on the site; 3 of the buildin~s were historic, the Rebecca
Wiley house, a garage located on the alley and 5` Street and a shed that straddles
the property line between 604 and 612 West Main. There were 2non-historic
cabins however HPC designates the entire property; HPC approved the demolition
of the 2non-historic buildings and relocate the shed onto 612 West Main Street.
HPC granted approval for the mass, scale, volume, height, setback variances and
commercial design review for the proposal. The applicant was increasing the
existing commercial by adding 2,975 square feet of new net leasable commercial
for a total of 4,335 square feet of net leasable space proposed. Also proposed were
affordable housing units to mitigate for the new employees that were generated by
the net leasable space. There was no free-market component for this project.
Adams said that all the criteria were met for the enlargement of the historic with
extensive rehabilitation for the shed, the garage (Art Barn) and the Rebecca Wiley
house. Exhibit B of the staff memo was growth management for the affordable
housing, which was a 1200 square foot 3 bedroom unit and the applicant prefers a
rental unit. APCHA prefers the unit be for sale, staff supports this. Section 6 of
the resolution provides the 2 options (for sale or rental); it was a P&Z decision.
Adams said this project was consistent with the goals of the AACP as well as the
applicable review standards in the land use code and staff recommended approval.
Alan Richman stated that he represented Neil Karbank, the owner of the property.
Neil Karbank said that he was a practicing lawyer and was a tenant in this property
from December 2000 to spring of 2005 when he purchased the property and the
property next door. Karbank decided against free-market housing; he was well
under the maximum floor area. Karbank hoped the 1200 square foot affordable
housing unit would be for his employees; he was providing housing for the
mitigation of the project. Karbank said the employee unit is handicap accessible
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with an elevator; the project was intended for someone to live and work with
dignity away from the commercial core and have parking.
Richman said they were pleased with the staff report and the recommendation of
approval but there was a condition to be discussed. Richman said that the non-
historic additions to the Wiley house would be removed and all three historic
buildings will be restored. Richman stated the floor area and height were well
below what was allowed in this zone district; the public amenity space was at least
35% when 25% was required.
Richman stated the one condition that they were concerned about was the
affordable housing unit being a for sale unit; if the unit would be sold it did not
provide the opportunity to place and employee in the unit. Richman said that if the
unit was not rented to one of Neil's employees then the city required the unit be
rented through the Housing Authority. Richman said that the section for affordable
housing reads either or: for sale or rental; they were requesting that it be a rental
unit. Richman said that housing clearly gave them the opportunity for it to be a
rental unit and they requested that P&Z accept the language of 6b as opposed to 6a.
Karbank said that a for sale unit presumes that the city would own 1/20 of 1% of a
unit or the whole project; he did not condominiumize this so if he had to create a
sale unit not only would he lose control and not be able to offer a housing unit as
an amenity to a prospective employee but he would be forced to condominimize
and create a separate unit for the affordable housing. Karbank said that he worked
on one of the most complex leasing transactions and he was confident that the city
attorneys and he can create a leasehold agreement and that's what he was
suggesting.
Cliff Weiss asked how Neil would address that he was someone's employer as well
as their landlord; that would be undue influence and control. Karbank replied that
was an interesting philosophical question and there was an intention in the code
particularly to lodges but his understanding of affordable housing units was that
the leases were for a term of years. Karbank said there is some tension in that but
lawyers by statute were employees at will; that was what you get into when you get
your law license. Richman said that Neil would have first priority in renting the
unit if he could place someone that is fully qualified; if he can not then the unit
goes into the pool. Weiss asked if it was a housing office lease. Richman replied
yes. Weiss asked whose decision was it to have one 3 bedroom as opposed to three
one bedrooms or studios. Richman replied that was their proposal and what fits
best on the site.
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Mike Wampler applauded the applicant for no free-market housing and has no
issue with renting the unit. Wampler said as long as a113 bedrooms have to be
filled he was okay with that. Karbank replied that they do. Wampler asked if the
20 to 22 height blocked any neighbors. Adams replied that was under the purview
of HPC; that was already granted. Wampler asked who was being targeted to fill
the new office space. Karbank replied anyone who needs offices other than
manufacturing.
No public comments.
Jim DeFrancia supported the application and agreed with the rental unit as opposed
to for sale.
Gibbs asked if the city attorney did a lot of these lease agreements. Jim True
responded that it has been done before and the proposed resolution sets forth the
terms required. Gibbs supported the project and the terms on for sale or rental
were not very clear.
MOTION.• Jim DeFrancia moved to approve Resolution #015-08 approving with
conditions, the growth management for the enlargement of a Historic Landmark at
604 West Main for mixed use and growth management for a three bedroom
affordable rental unit; seconded by Michael Wampler. All in favor, APPROVED
4-0.
CONTINUED PUBLIC HEARING (02/05/08; 02/19/08; 03/04/08; 03/18/08)
1450 CRYSTAL LAKE ROAD ASPEN CLUB CONCEPTUAL SPA AND
ASSOCIATED REVIEWS
LJ Erspamer opened the continued public hearing. Jessica Garrow stated this was
for conceptual commercial design, PUD, SPA and timeshare application. Garrow
said the reviews that were before P&Z today were Conceptual Commercial Design
Review, this was final review at P&Z; the conceptual PUD, conceptual SPA and
conceptual timeshare were Council reviews also.
Garrow said staff asked if there was any way to get a second sub-grade level; the
applicant's engineer provided documentation that a second level in the sub-grade
garage was not feasible on site due to the water table. Staff was still concerned for
the amount of parking on this site and would like to see proper screening and
access issues addressed.
Garrow said the second issue was related to a transportation management plan;
there were concerns for parking, shuttle and access. The applicant provided
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information on a transportation management plan that was in the packet. Staff
added conditions to the resolution requiring the applicant address the issues in the
final application. Garrow said the applicant proposed improvements along Ute
Avenue in terms of speed bumps and cross walks; these were not reviewed by City
Streets or Engineering Departments in time for this meeting but this can be
addressed at the time of final Development Review Committee to make sure the
city requirements are met. The transportation management plan has been reviewed
by community development department and the transportation department; there
were 8 tools outlined in the proposed plan and a monitoring program. Garrow said
that on page 4 of the memo were staff s recommendations. The first aspect of the
transportation plan was "The Aspen Club will provide shuttle service to and from
the Club at intervals of up to 3 round-trips per hour: ' Staff would like to see the
applicant address the feasibility of utilizing the cross-town shuttle service rather
than adding additional vans. Garrow said the second aspect of the transportation
management plan "Car-sharing vehicles will be available on site, for employees
and registered guests." Staff would like to see the feasibility of a corporate
membership with the city's car-share program and if the Club does determine that
they would like to have their own car-share program more detail would be needed
on the operational characteristics including management, the number of cars, any
charges for the program and follow up concerns that might come up. The third
aspect "Shared bicycles for employee or guest trips to town will be available at the
Club." Staff would like to see more information in the final application regarding
the operational characteristics of this plan including types and sizes of bicycles,
what kind of safety equipment would be available and how it was managed. The
fourth "Either car-share vehicles will be available for longer trips for employees
living on site so that they do not need their own cars for themselves or
arrangements will be made with a local or rental company for discounted car
rentals." Garrow said again the operational plans should be more detailed. Fifth
"Aspen Club shuttle service to and from the Airport will be provided for owners
and guests." Garrow said the plan should reflect how existing services could be
utilized including hotels and RFTA in order to minimize the total number of trips.
The sixth and seventh areas "Club employees will be required to carpool, use our
shuttles or take public transportation to the Club in order to get their cars off of Ute
Avenue and Crystal Lake Road." "Institue paid parking at the Aspen Club as an
auto disincentive." Staff would like to see more specifics in terms of the
operational characteristics, how the carpool parking will be enforced, how will
employees be assisted in the formation of carpools, were there any incentives for
club employees taking public transportation, paid parking as an auto incentive and
how it was managed. The final aspect was "One parking space will be assigned to
each of the affordable housing units, as required by code." Garrow said
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information was needed on how the affordable housing residents might be
encouraged to use alternative forms of transportation.
Garrow said there were a number of questions concerning the 1996 Dick Butera
approvals and were those conditions met. The Community Development Staff
went back through the record and determined that the Club made an effort to
comply with the requirements that were in that Ordinance. From 1999 to 2003 the
cross town shuttle served to meet the shuttle service compliance. Beginning in
2004 the Club decided to provide its own shuttle service to meet the requirement;
there was nothing in the record to indicate that Council ever approved a change to
where the shuttle should operate. Weiss asked why did the Club change to their
own shuttle. Fox replied that they actually do both now. Garrow said the shuttle
currently should be running on Highway 82 to Crystal Lake Road and only
deviating to Ute Avenue for physical therapy patients. Staff believed that the
shuttle route is something that should be addressed in the transportation
management plan; this was conditioned in 1996 and likely the existing conditions
of the Club have changed since then in terms of membership and adding the
affordable housing residents and time share people might impact the need for
shuttles and the way that they might run, which should be addressed in the final
application in terms of the transportation management plan.
Garrow said the commission asked how much was being reinvested into the Club
as part of this project; the applicant provided information between $12.3 and
$16.75 million dollars will be re-invested in the Club. There was a question from
the public on the appropriateness of SPA. Garrow replied the SPA process allows
a specific plan to come onto a property and encourages flexibility and innovation
in the development of that land and promotes the objectives outlined in the Aspen
Area Community Plan by allowing the underlying zone districts requirements in
terms of land use dimensional requirements to be amended for the benefit of the
public. Staff believed that an SPA designation was appropriate; it encourages
innovative design practices. This parcel was zoned Rural Residential, which was
fairly limited in the kinds of uses permitted; it allows recreation facility. Garrow
noted the table on page 8 of the packet that that outlined the approximate floor area
ratios of the Aspen Club, Silver Lining Ranch and Benedict Building.
Garrow reiterated staff recommendations. The proposed transportation
management plan adequately addresses transportation concerns at a conceptual
level. Staff had concerns related to mass, scale, building placement and design of
the proposal; especially with concerns for the mass on the lower bench and would
like to see it reduced to create more modulation; staff's main concern was that the
mass located on this bench creates a wall of development perceived as one mass; it
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eliminates any perception of the river and riparian area from the top of the
property. Garrow said the riparian area also means the trees and the activities that
happen by the river.
Sunny Vann stated that the staff's principal concerns were one aspect of the site
design and some of the units. Vann said that as part of the final the transportation
management plan would have additional detail. Vann said that they need an
approval on the commercial design aspect of the project with P&Z being the final
review. Vann said that we need to get the site design problems out on the table.
Cliff Weiss asked how critical mass was created with 19 units as opposed to 25 or
10. Michael Fox responded that his biggest fear was ending up with a lot of
construction, some impacts but no vibrancy when it was done like the Aspen
Highlands. Fox said that they tried to make it comfortable with 59 beds and to
insure critical mass and vitality instead of less units. Weiss said there were 1900
members and do they out-shadow 19 units with 60 beds. Fox replied that it gets
back to world class programming to be able to invite superstar lecturers and leaders
and instructors you have to be able to sign up enough people to sign up 3,4 6
months out. Weiss asked if 19 units of this size would likely be families with kids;
kids would not necessarily attend this type of wellness. Fox answered it depends
on the program; there were family programming that they can do.
Mike Wampler asked where the numbers were coming from; he said that he had a
problem with the extra 6 units on the building. Wampler suggested they be used
for employee housing or held for the future to see if this works and was successful.
Wampler asked where the experience was to keep this going. Fox responded that
the Club did a great job for this town, which provided a guest experience and a
hospitality experience. Fox said they would move the tennis courts while they
were building the underground parking lot. Wampler asked if the healthy living
would go away like the racquet sports but the condos will still be there; he had an
issue with making that area into a hotel area. Fox responded that health was still a
major concern for the demographic trends of this country; he said the concept will
be around but once the units were sold those owners will not disappear; the owners
will come to Aspen and participate in Aspen.
Stan Gibbs asked how you attach the people who will be in those buildings with
both the owners and the people that participate in rentals; how can you guarantee
that those people will be interested in the Club. Fox replied that the people who
were buying there would be buying because of the Club because there were other
options in town; they were buying into the whole Aspen Club concept; this ties the
whole piece together. Gibbs said that he had trouble the benefit aspect of the SPA
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and he wanted to hear about the public benefit; the people in the community,
general Aspen. Vann replied that the code talks about where and when the SPA
process can be used; the review criteria do not require a finding that you meet all
of those, in fact the city has extensive experience in SPAS which has little or any
direct relationship to some of those criteria. Vann said the neighborhood looked to
the SPA process for an un-precedential method to approve the uses that were there
with an SPA overlay. Fox stated growth of the Club allows the employees to grow
and remain and serve the 1900 members, most of which are local; physical therapy
services, sports performance services, train local high school and Olympic athletes
and provide space for non-profits inside the Club, contribute to 30-40 different
charities. Fox said what we do at the Club everyday is giving back to the
community and participating in the community; they were an integral part of the
community and hopefully this project will allow them to continue to do that and
hopefully do it better over time.
LJ Erspamer said that in the land use code 26.440.01 OC "Establish a procedure by
which land upon which multiple uses exist or are considered appropriate, can be
planned and redeveloped in a way that provides for the greatest public benefit."
Erspamer said that an avalanche review was requested; was one done across the
street at the employee housing. Vann replied that it was done for the affordable
housing located on the Benedict property because there was an obvious avalanche
Shute across the street. Erspamer asked what a Council call up was. Garrow
replied that a commercial design review was approved and sent to City Council
and if the Council thinks that a procedure was incorrectly followed; it was a
procedural call.
Public Comments•
1. Rick Neiley, attorney, responded to Sunny with respect to the surrounding
SPA zone district designation; the code was clear 26.440.030A on "Standards for
designation. Any land in the City maybe designated Specially Planned Area
(SPA) by the City Council if, because of its unique historic, natural, physical or
locational characteristics, it would be of great public benefit to the City for that
land to be allowed design flexibility and to be planned and developed
comprehensively as a multiple use development." Neiley said that Michael's
facility provides public benefits to people on a daily basis and non-profits but the
problem was the approach that was to continue to grow the business of the Club;
realistically if the Club sold tomorrow all of the good work might go away. Neiley
said the land use code was set up to insure public benefit from the SPA to continue
in perpetuity and there was nothing in the application that commits in any concrete
way to provide public benefit.
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2. Chris Klug said that he has had experience with the Aspen Club for the last
16 years with the physical therapy department. Klug was grateful to Michael in
support of the non-profit. Klug stated the Club was a community asset and the
new units would help provide the void for short term rental units for Aspen.
3. Claudia Curry Hill stated that Michael has provided a great asset to the
community and was philanthropic; Michael was also a great sponsor for the race
and ride for the cure. Hill said the race and ride get smaller every year because
there was no place for people to stay so the timeshare units were a good idea.
4. Steve Centosanti, owner of Durrance Sports, said that this project would
bring more vitality to this town; he said this project was all about the community.
5. Kathy Frye stated that this was a great new project and was encouraged by
the Club.
6. Letter from Elaine Grossman supported the application.
Jessica Garrow stated there were 4 issues: Conceptual SPA, Conceptual PUD,
Conceptual Timeshare and Conceptual Commercial Design.
Cliff Weiss said that he was not a proponent of underground parking and would
like to see a transportation plan that eliminated parking and relied on a much more
sophisticated shuttle system. Weiss said that he would like to see the shuttle go to
the Crystal Lake Parking area and a more direct footpath to the Club. Weiss said
physical therapy patients could use Ute Avenue. Weiss voiced concern over
critical mass for the 19 units and would be better served if there were more smaller
units. Weiss said that he was opposed to the units on the club roof and the
encroachment to Silver Lining and suggested the affordable housing units be
moved to the roof. Weiss said that making the spaces for the non-profits more
permanent was a good idea.
Mike Wampler stated that he liked Michael and the Club; he said that he was
having trouble with how the wellness was a public benefit. Wampler said the 6
units on the Club should not be timeshare but hotel units.
Stan Gibbs said that this had a long way to go; his biggest concern was the traffic;
there should be maximum use of Highway 82 and Crystal Lake Road and make the
shuttle service run from that side. Gibbs said the layout of the 13 units blocks the
relationship from the club down to the river and that could have a better landscape
integrated into the project; he thought it would be better to engage with the riparian
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area as opposed to the fagade of buildings. Gibbs voiced concern over the public
benefits and SPA. Gibbs wanted to see a commitment of making the Club more
accessible to the public, which would be a benefit.
LJ Erspamer stated there were certain criteria that the commission followed.
Garrow said that staff concerns with the transportation plan will be addressed when
it comes to the final application; staff had concerns with the mass, scale and
placement of the design. Jennifer Phelan said that staff looked at the size of the
box in terms of design and where it was located. Garrow said the 19 timeshare
units were under the PUD and the commercial design review doesn't consider the
19 units but rather the size of the box and is the size of the box appropriate for the
site.
Erspamer supported staff and wanted to see less massing; it was too massive, too
dense and too close to the river. Erspamer said that the underground parking might
hit water; he said the transportation could be taken care of in final. Erspamer said
that the design was a problem.
Gibbs said that they would see the commercial design again at final. Garrow said
that at conceptual the size of the box is determined and at final it is determined
what the box is going to look like in terms of materials, fenestration, roof materials
and solar panels.
Vann said that they would like an opportunity to look at the units by the river
further and going back to Highway 82 for shuttle service would be addressed at
final. Vann said that they would like to continue this to work out some concerns of
the commission. Weiss said that he wanted the transportation problem solved and
one person in a van doesn't work. Vann said that there was an approval for a
certain amount of parking spaces at the Club and the parking was pursuant to the
city codes.
MOTION: Stan Gibbs moved to extend the meeting until 7:30; seconded by Cl~
Weiss. All in favor, APPROVED.
MOTION.• Cliff Weiss moved to continue the Aspen Club to May 6`"; seconded by
Stan Gibbs. All in favor, APPROVED.
OTHER BUSINESS:
RECONSIDERATION OF 300 PUPPY SMITH RESOLUTION
LJ Erspamer opened the reconsideration of the resolution. Jennifer Phelan
explained that Resolution #11 was approved on March 18~' but there were a
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number of sections, public works, affordable housing and sanitation that were too
detailed and more in the final format than conceptual format so it was put in more
conceptual format. Phelan wanted to be clear that it was a conceptual
recommendation to City Council and P&Z approved Conceptual Commercial
Design Review based on the conditions in section 1.
MOTION: Jim DeFrancia moved approve the reconsideration of 300 Puppy
Smith Resolution #I1, Series of 2008 for the recommendation to Council on the
Conceptual SPA and P&Z approved the Conceptual Commercial Design Review
for sub-grade parking and subject to the conditions; seconded by Stan Gibbs. All
in favor, APPROVED 4-0.
MOTION.• Stan Gibbs moved to approve amended Resolution #11, series 2008;
seconded by Jim DeFrancia. All in favor, APPROVED 4-0.
Cliff Weiss asked when roll call votes were necessary; what was the protocol. Jim
True replied that there wasn't a requirement for roll call vote in P&Z. True said
that in the charter there was provision that City Council could not not vote unless
they were recused for a conflict. True said for Council it was only on Ordinances
not on Resolutions or to extend.
OTHER BUSINESS:
LIFT ONE TASK FORCE
Erspamer asked how many PBzZ members could serve on the task force. Jennifer
Phelan replied one P&Z member. Travis Coggin said there were no proxies and
this would still come before P&Z. Coggin said the first meeting was April 10`h and
the next April 17`h from 11 am to 2 pm. Cliff Weiss was the P&Z member for the
Lift One Task Force.
FORMER CHAIR COMMENDATION
LJ Erspamer asked if this was for Dylan. Jennifer Phelan replied that it was and
she would proceed with the commendation.
Adjourned at 7:30
Lothian, Deputy City Clerk
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