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REVISED
RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS
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Regular Meeting
Aspen Planning & Zoning
April 1, 1975
Meeting was called to order at 5:07 p.m. by Chairman Spencer Schiffer with Jack
Jenkins, Bryan Johnson and Roger Hunt. Also present were Yank Mojo, Bill Kane
and John Stanford of the' Planning Office.
Approval of H;inutes Hunt asked that the word "now" be stricken from his motion
on page 2 under Ferrin Duplex. Johnson moved to approve the
minutes as amended and Hunt seconded. All in favor, motion
carried.
Old Business John moved to adopted Resolution #3 commending Dr. Barnard
for his work on the P & Z. Seconded by Jenkins. All in
favor, motion carried.
Otte arrives.
New Business
Schiffer noted that Council had asked the 620 Hyman Building
to come back,to them for approval of the building design so
they would have to have a motion placing it on the agenda.
Motion
Jenkins moved to place the 620 Hyman Avenue Building on the
agenda at the end of themeeting. Otte seconded. All in
favor, motion carried.
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Request for Stream Margin from Lot la, Black Birth Estates.
Yank Mojo noted that the northeast corner is in the 100 year
flood plain with the building to the southwest. The proposed
structure will be built on compacted fill rather than on
excavation. He noted that there ,wuld be nO vegetation
disruption and approval should be made conditional upon any
disruption to the vegetation or stream bank be repaired by
the owner. He said it was 15 feet from the present bank to
the house.. Schiffer questioned whether the location Has so
close to the high water mark or the bank, what damage could be
done? Mojo noted that the risk was the same that everyone
else was taking.
Stream Margin:
Use Determination:
:.Billard Parlor
Hunt moved to approve the stream margin reque~t for Lot 10,
Black Birch Estates conditional upon agreement with the owner
to restore any vegetation disruption caused by construction
, ,as recommended by the Planning Office. Jenkins
seconded. All in favor, motion carried.
Mojo explained that ,the location had changed from above the
Tom !1ix to the basement of the Vroom Building but they would
still have to ask for the determination since both are in
the CC distritt. The proposed use would not contain electric
games, and it was COnsistent with the zoning, according to
}lojo.
Motion
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Schiffer noted that he had a client involved and he would
. .have to ,vi thdraw from any decisions. Johnson was appointed
temporary chairman.
Mojo noted that this was to determine whether they thought a
billard parlor could be a conditional use so that theapplicnnt
could come in at a later time. Otte said that he had no
problem with a billard parlor in that area. Johnson askod the
i1pplic;ltlt whether they would covenant i1gainst havin-j pinboIl
machines i1nd Gon.... l}",rahy, applicant, noted that t!'lis wos the
first time he had known about the stipulation, that his
pilrtners had worked things out previously with the Planning
Dept. lIe silid that he had plD.nned an adult area with some
billard tables, an area for backgarrunon an(l other such gilmcs .'
and some electricgiHIlCS. };ojo said that the Pl<:>nninq Office "
didn't: recommend penny arcades in the CC district. Bill
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D_Qt",~_;.;:,:;~i:;,.::.tio:~1 cant. Ie.
DU:!Zl~.\~a.y asked ",::~y't:1 ~':' hEld SUC,:'l a. sti~';i:ia, Cl92inst
c1;:ectric ~es since 1\nc1!:"c has them. rlohnson said that an
electric g~..!esarea is differnet fron, ,! bi11ard parlor. ,
Baraby noted that they had 11 pooL tables ,vi th small games
on the side. 'Jenkins thollght that it should be a conditional
use because'othcrwise it is limiting the applicant's economic
feasibility and Mojo said that he didn't think the noise of
electric games wa~:~?f?usive to backgammon or a good game of
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,,:otion
Hunt moved to put
conditional use.
a billard parlor in the CC zone as a
Otte se90nded. All" in favor, motion
carried.
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Mojo exolained th~t since the P & Z had ta~.~d tbeAsoen
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Vie,-] Cor-rios after the Dublic 'hearing in Februarv ).,~cause of'
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spnexation probl..f~s needing to be solved first, Council haa
accepterITe--petition tor ai:1'Tre":X"S"nUd d~_~~' l \'ld~-how \\71 nll~n .-,-
the P & Z' s"':'jurisdiction. Since the tine theagendu pcrt::t,cLS
had gone out, the Fire Marshall had withdrawn his requirement
for another fire plug since it was determined that the building
was within the legal limits ofa broken plug which was being
replaced now. Jenkins asked whther the road problems had been
taken care of and Andy Hecht, attorney for Aspen View, noted
that the owner of Aspen View had agreed to purchase the
recommended road footage and will dedicate that part from
their prope~ty to the City.
.3ubdivision:
.=,spen View Condos.
Mojo said that the Planning Office recommended approval with
the following stipulations: dedication of Midland Ave. to
the City; the owners show the current zoning on the final plat;
the area be monumented (as required by the State); utility
sizes on passing and access easements must be shown; and the
owner's surveyor must, contact the City Engineer to work out
arrangements for the street improvements prior to the
preparation of the final plat.
:'lotion
Hunt moved to approve the preliminary subdivision for the
Aspen View C~dos SUbject to the conditions listed above.
Seconded by 0tte. All in favor, motion carried.
520 Hyman Building Don Fleisher explained to the P & z that he had not had control
over the first design of the building and when he finally
looked at it, he discovered he didn't like the design. He
then went to COllncil to ask for an extension of time to
resdesignthe building under the old density. Council gave
him approval under an Ordinance and granted him an extension
J ' of time. Since then he has been back to Council several
times and has given them the opportunity to pick from the
designs he had come up with. He noted that Council had ask~d
him to come before the P & z to get their approval on the
building design but that it was not mandatory that he come.
He presented a model of the block where the proposed building
will be buitl and also compared the old design to the new
one.
Jenkins thought that they were out of their purview when they
get into architectural designs. Fleisher said that it was
an increasingly important function and that other city bO~lrds
such as the HFC were deciding along design criteria. Schiffer
said that this wasn't 011'0 of the criteria under Ordinance 19
and until it \.,t3S 1 they didn' thave any control over the
architecture but thutthcy could give thei.r unofficial ClDorova.
to Council to go ~hc~d 2nd gi.vc the extcnsi,on to the buil~irl(~
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