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Home My WebLink Aboutminutes.apz.19770705RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS 100 Leaves roax =o c. v. xaea c~ e. e. a c. ca. Regular Meeting Planning and Zoning Commission Jul 5 1977 The Planning and Zoning Commission was called to order to 5:15 p.m. with members Roger Hunt, John Schuhmacher, Tom Isaac, Olaf Hedstrom and Chic Collins present. Also present from the Planning Office were Karen Smith and Bill Kane. Hunt moved to approve the minutes of 21 June 1977 with corrections and to table the minutes of 15 and 22 February 1977, seconded by Isaac. All in favor; motion passed. Wedum-Pardee Karen Smith explained the Wedum-Pardee Group request for a Stream Stream Margin Margin Review. In excavating for the site, Lee has dumped some fill Review from the building site in a depression in order to level the site. Meyring stopped them-with a stop order and required them to go through Stream Margin Review. The Planning Office feels that it is an improvement to the site in that it levels the ground which is there. It will have no effect on the flood plain. It has no effect on the major vegetation in that area. They have generally improved the appearance of that site. Planning Office recommends approval of that application. Wedum stated that they wanted to use the dirt from the building site to make the property level so that they would not have to buy land after the house is complete. Isaac moved to approve the Stream Margin Review of the Wedum-Pardee group with respect to temporary storage of land fill in that lot within the stream margin on the condition that upon completion of site construction the land will be returned to an improved state. Hedstrom seconded. All in favor; motion passed. Miller Stream Smith displayed a map presented by Bill Meyers and explained the Margin Review propsed addition. The proposed addition is outside the hundred year flood plain. It is flat topography. There will be no vegetation removed. Thus the Planning Office recommends approval. Isaac asked what was included in the addition. Smith said that the present house has two bedrooms and that the owner is going to add several more. Hunt moved to approve the Stream Margin Review of the Miller property as proposed. Hedstrom seconded the motion. All in favor; motion approved. Triangle Park Kane said that the Ctiy had acquired Triangle Park on West End Avenue. Shortly after that the Parks department prepared a plan emphasizing it as a children's park for that area. This has become a neighborhood issue. In the R-6 zone. recreational sites are only permitted as conditional use. The Planning Office woula like July 16 set as a the public hearing date. Growth Management County Attorney Sandy Stuller highlighted the new draft of the Growth Plan Management Plan. All agreed to changes were incorporated in the new draft. Firstly, P&Z wanted a minimum of 30 points needed to be eligible for an allotment. Another incorporation was a proviso which if someone is awarded an allotment for lower or middle income housing that P&Z had a right to impose conditions to make sure it stayed that way. An additional 20 percent is allowed to be awarded if criteria is outstanding for integration of project. Only one public hearing is required with a fifteen day notice. CC and C-1 will be judged on three different criteria which will require 30 points in each area as a minimum to be considered. 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F. NOECI(EL B. 9. B L. CJ. Regular Meeting Planning and Zoning Commission Jul 5 1977 has only been occurring for two years. It is evidenced in the reduction of available rental housing in favor of ownership housing. This is bad in our service oriented community. Once the units are condominiumized they become investment tools. There is a large increase in purchase and sale price within a short period of time. It elevates them to a point beyond which rentals would not have increased during the same period of time. The Board can take a laissez faire or control attitude toward condominiumization: With a control attitude criteria are developed. Thus Goodheim suggested criteria: general and specific as outlined in his memo. The Commission discussed whether or not the Council had adopted a policy toward condominiumization. It was decided that the Council had supported a six month lease agreement and right of first refusal although they had asked that the P&Z come up with a better policy in addition to these two demands. Hedstrom observed that the Board should have definite criteria for condominiumization so that applicants would know what they were being judged on. Hunt felt that the battle should be fought economically. He suggested that Vermont's method of taxation should be looked into. Kane said that he would research it. Mr. Schiff from the audience said that the purchase prices suggested by Goodheim would not cover the rebuilding cost. Schiff did not want to raise his rents and he did not want to sell his apartments as condominiums because he could not sell them to his tenants at a cost within their limits which would allow him to rebuild. The appraisers use a market approach in this area. Gideon presented his suggestions for a multi family guideline. Not everything other than duplex is multi family. He sited Joe Wells' study. The triplex is more akin to the duplex than to larger buildings. Fourplexes and above should be multi family. Kane said that a triplex is a multifamily dwelling according to the code. Hunt said that there is no validity in drawing a line unless P&Z knows a definite number of duplexes, triplexes, etc. Collins felt there was no reason to change if the code states duplexes and multi family dwellings. Hunt said he could agree with the change if all buildings in question were located in R-6. Then they would be like single family dwellings. If they are in the RMF zone then there is less logic. Kane read from the code that multi family is three or more dwelling units in a building. Collins asked the Planning Office to draft a resolution thanking Hal Clark for his services. Hunt moved to adjourn the meeting at 7:50 p.m. seconded by Isaac. All in favor, motion passed. Elisabeth Sherrill, Deputy City Clerk