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Home My WebLink Aboutminutes.apz.19771206.w., RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS 100 Leaves A L. i. MOEL'R EL B. B. 8 L. C.t. FORe ular Meeting Aspen Planning and Zoning December 6, 1977 The Aspen Planning and Zoning Commission held a regular meeting on December 6, 1977, at 5:00 PM in the City Council Chambers. Members present were Chic Collins, Olaf Hedstrom, Tom Isaac, Frank Baranko, John Schuhmacher, Donald Ensign and Joan Klar. Also present were Bill Kane and Karen Smith from the Planning Office and City Attorney, Dorothy luuttall. Approval of Minutes Isaac moved to adopt the minutes of November 15, 1977, as amended, ledstrom seconded. All in favor, motion approved. Baranko moved to table the minutes of January 18, 1977, Schuhmacher seconded. All in favor, motion approved.. Anderson Stream Margin This is an addition to the agenda. Smith explained the application. Review The applicant wishes to add a carport to the existing house. Smith said it would be in the 100 year Floodplain. They do recommend approval. Hedstrom moved to approve the Anderson Stream Plargin Review, Klar seconded. All in favor, motion approved. Public Bearing - Kane gave a history of the Ice Garden application. He sited the Code Amendment, memos dated August 4, October 13 and October 24, 1977. The original Assembly Halls in application to rezone was turned down by the P & Z on October 1S, R-6 and R-15 as 1977. The Planning Office did not recommend approval for many Conditional Use reasons but suggested alternative approaches to permit concerts to be held here legally. The alternatives were viewed at the November 1 meeting and P ~ Z recommended to Council that the Conditional Use approach be considered. This would amend the Zoning Code to permit this under R-6 and R-15. Kane noted that the Planning Office does not recommend approval. Collins asked if the application was the issue as it was an appli- cation for the Code Amendment they were considering. Kane said the application precipitated the discussion but the amendment and its impact was the issue. Collins felt they should center on the question of assembly halls in R-15 and not discuss conditions of the application if it were granted. Ensign felt the application was important as the Code Amendment would not be considered if it weren't for the application. Klar felt uneasy about expanding the use of this zone and that the Ice Garden should go on a case by case basis for permits of their concerts. Kane compared such permits to garage sales and the like. They were a one time thing and were not a continued nuisance to the neighbor- hood. They did need to obtain a beer and wine license for such events. Isaac felt they would confuse the issue by discussing the application to a code amendment that hasn't been passed yet. The amendment was the important issue. Smith provided a zoning map R-6 and R-15 zone districts tional uses. The area affe any large buildings in this noted only school buildings for this use. and indicated the areas that were in the and would also obtain these new condi- :ted was vast. Klar asked if there were area that could be used for this. Smith but said that building could be built Hedstrom said he felt the Board did not want to change the code unless there was a compelling social need for it. Collins did not feel they should discuss the specifics until after action on the code amendment. Schuhmacher said that the Ice Garden needed the concerts for financial reasons. P 6 Z is for the community benefit that comes from these concerts but should they bail them out at the neighborhood's expense. 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Jijgai7 jnEd autE~ lzagog •szy~ iuediq~ jze~ uuzMgos auEZQ pznEQ asazay dung za$og LL6T `9 zagmaJaQ utuoZ puE uiuuEjd ua sy u;~aayq zEjn ag RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS 100 Leaves F05M 50 C. F. NOE CIf EL 9. B. 9 L. CO. Regular Meeting Aspen Planning and Zoning December , Michael Behrendt Behrendt is a resident in this neighborhood. He said when the Snowshow occurred no one he knew received the pamphlet with phone numbers, they assumed that since it was a one time event they could put up with the noise, etc., for one night. He felt this issue was being put under an umbrella to save the Aspen Charities. He noted that the money raised at the Snowshow was less than what they raised at a benefit three years ago at the Wheeler Opera House. He also noted that the Community School had asked him for help be- cause their contract with the Ice Garden was totally unsatifactory. He felt that the $1000 dollars raised for the Ice Garden was not very substantial. The neighborhood fully supports the Ice Garden and feels it is well managed and maintained. He also noted that the City of Aspen gives the Ice Garden substantial cuts in utility bills because it is one of the largest utility users. The City also gave them a tax break. After review of the Ice Gardens books, he noted that the Ice Garden broke even last year but would lose a small amount this year. Ice Gardens do not make money and usually lose a substantial amount so this Ice Garden is doing alright. lie noted that with the building changes necessary to make the Ice Garden adequate for concerts, they would not receive benefits for about two years. He wants to see the Ice Garden and such community ser- vices make it but not at the neighborhood's expense. David Berdloid Berdloid noted the Ice Garden could seat 2500 people and the traffic problem could be substantial. Sandy Munroe i4unroe is a former Board member for the Community School. He re- iterated the need for such a facility to raise the income for the school. He noted that he was a part of the clean up crew after the Snowshow. He felt the people in Aspen should have the ability to see big name performers in Aspen and there are no other facilities. Mike Clement Clement was a spokesman for a meeting held for the neighbors of the Ice Garden. The unanimous feeling was against the proposed amend- ment. Bill Tharp Tharp is one of the owners of the Ice Garden. He said they are not asking the Board to save their investment. They can tear it down and sell it for a good amount. They feel it is a viable recreation- al resource for the community. If the Ice Garden could break even they could be happy. He noted that this was a legal use before downzoning. He asked for alternatives to this to keep the Ice Garden functioning. Roger Hunt Hunt suggested a remedy to this problem. He suggested special per- mits for each concert from City Council. David Berdloid Berdloid noted the problem that could arise if there was afire and the fire trucks could not get through with the bad parking. Brendes submitted several letters for the file along with sound checks and other information. He recalled comments from the other public hearing. He noted that would be no concerts without a bene- fit involved. One possibility for the parking problem would be a bus shuttle from another location and to encourage walking as they did with Snowshow. Frank Baranko excused himself from the meeting. Collins noted two letters for the record and several phone calls he had received during the week. Other members noted calls that they too had received. 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F. XOFLXEL B. B. 9 L CJ. JRegu ar ieeting seen arming anu coning ecem er There was a question as to whether the property in in the 100 year flood plain. Smith read the code pertaining to the suitability of land for subdivision. Ensign asked if it was in the flood plain. Smith said there was a real possibility and it should be investi- gated. Kane suggested approval conditional upon the Douse site being outside the 100 year flood plain. Iiedstrom moved that the exemption request be denied and that con- ceptual subdivision approval be granted subject to location of the building site outside the 100 year floodplain, if necessary, adjust- ment of the proposed boundary line, and if necessary, easement be provided for, Isaac seconders. All in favor, motion approved. ARI Euilding Smith explained the application. Ellis has no problem with this Subdivision Exemption application although he noted that there is an encroachment on the alley behind. This can be overlooked until it conflicts with public use. Collins asked about the water tap fee. Edwards explained the prob- lem with Plarkalunas of the City Water Department. Isaac moved to exempt the ARI Building from the full subdivision exemption procedure as all the requirements have been met subject to resolution of the water tap dispute, Klar seconded. All in favor, motion approved. Use Determination Smith explained the application. Sherpa Sports desires to open in Sherpa Sports the Durant Mall, N/C zone. The Board is to find this a compatable use in this zone which is intended for local sales. Jasjit Grewel, owner of Sherpa Sports, showed his sales as being primarily local. The Planning Office feels that the NC zone is being whittled away and does not recommend approval. Joe Edwards, representing the applicant, noted that 50°r" of his sales are bicycles, supplemented with skis and other equipment and appli- ances. It is not a typical sports store. Smith reviewed the list of businesses in the Durant I4a11 and whether they are allowed or use determinations. He noted the NC districts in Aspen. Ensign asked the difference between the NC and C-1 dis- tricts. Kane said the difference is whether they are intended for local or tourist business. Hedstrom concurred with Ensign that the difference is hazy. Klar asked Grewel whether the space proposed is comparable to the space he used previously. Grewel noted that he rented the previous space and intended to buy the space proposed. He said it was com- parable to the space he rented before. Ensign asked if this was condominiumized. Grewel said yes. Grewel noted that his shop was not a typical sports store. It was primarily bicycles supplemented by skis and other equipment. Klar noted how much Aspenites use bicycles and how important a bike repair shop is. Ensign concurred. Isaac said he felt it was less of a deterioration of the NC zone than many of the other shops in this building. Aedstrom moved to make a determination that Sherpa Sports, a pri- marily bicycle: sales, rental and repair and mountaineer equipment store, is a conditional use in the NC district, Isaac seconded. All in favor, motion approved. Isaac moved to adjourn the meeting, Ensign seconded. ;Meeting adjourned at 7:50 PT?. .-.. xza10 ~~z0 6~ndaQ 'ua i jlzags -~ 'Ydd 008 1E pauznoCpE Suilaayy panozddE uotlom `zonE; ui jjy •papuoJas zEj;~ 'uznoCpE o; panom JEESj panozddE uojzom `zonE; ui jjy •papuoJas JEESj °auoz ON aq~ uz asn pa~~jmzad e aq o~ pauimza~ap aq aJjnzas puE safes s~zods pa~Ejaz puE ~uamdjnba 8utzaautE~unom puE jeluaz puE 'safes 'zjedaz ajJ.tJZq ~ijzzEmizd zo; s~zodg Edzagg ;o uotlEJijdde aq~ ~Eq~ panom moz]spag •panozddE uotlom `zonE; uj jjy •papuoJas u~zsug 's~zods EdzayS $uZlIZaJIIOJ uoj~om aq~ pujJSaz o~ panom JEESj Sut~aam aye pauadoaz su-~jjo0 LL6j 9 zagmaJaQ ujuoZ puE uzuuejd ua sy ui~aay~ zejn ag