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Home My WebLink Aboutminutes.apz.19770906BRADFORD PDBLI9XINf. CO.. DEN VCR R E C O R D O F P R O C E E D I N G S Regular Meeting Planning and Zoning Commission September 6, 1977 The Aspen Planning and Zoning Commission held a regular meeting on September 6, 1977 at 5:00 PM in the City Council Chambers. Members present were Chic Collins, Tom Isaac, Donald Ensign, Olaf Hedstrom, Frank Baranko and Joan Klar. Also present were city planners Karen Smith and John Stanford. County Attorney Sandra Stuller was present. Approval of Tom Isaac moved to approve the minutes of August 11, 16 and 23 as Minutes corrected, seconded by Hedstrom. All were in favor; motion passed. condominiumization Smith presented the condominiumization policy for the final time to P&Z. Policy There are three separate issues: 1) the overall goal is to increase the supply of moderate income housing, 2) condominiumization should be considered on a case by case basis, and 3) general criteria should exist which a developer can meet. Page two of the resolution states the general policy, the method of review and lists the generalized criteria which Brian Goodheim presented on July 5, 1977. Dorothy Nuttall commends P&Z on their good job on the condominiumization policy. Isaac wondered when the developer would have to show intent. Smith said at the preliminary plat stage. Collins wanted to include that in paragraph four, It should read "The housing code by providing specific information at the time of conceptual presentation on any of the following generalized criteria.'" It was suggested to strike generalized. All agreed on that point. Isaac said that a former member requested that separation of utilities be added to the general criteria. Each unit would have individual meters which would promote the conservation of energy. Smith said that Kane had suggested that Markalunas should discuss this with the P&Z, but this resolution does not deal with this problem. Collins said it was required on all new constructions. Smith stated that individual meters were not required. Baranko suggested that as an alternative to the tenant not buying the condominium the tenant could be offered a long term lease. Smith said that it could be stated "In the event that the existing tenant not purchase the unit, evidence regarding a long term lease to existing tenants will be given instead." This would also be a means of controlling speculation by reeulatinQ the income that would flow from that development. PP Isaac wanted an addition to number three: "as determined by the housing authority." Low and moderate income housing does not mean anything without definition. Smith said that P&Z can wait until the Housing Authority makes determinations. Klar stated that section 4 (e) and (f) were very ambiguous and that the Housing Authority would have difficulty in administering these sections. Smith said that the Housing Authority would not have an enforcement function. Enforcement would be under the jurisdiction of Clayton Meyring. Baranko suggested that the points could be included in the leases. Collins said that it is a continual problem of resolutions that there is no enforcement body. Hedstrom moved to adopt the resolution on the policy of condominiumization of multi family and duplex dwelling units with the following corrections as noted in paragraph three and four (f). Isaac seconded the motion. All in favor; motion passed. Rio Grande SPA John Stanford submitted to the record 1) the list of property owners within 300 feet of the property, 2) the notice sent to the property owners, and 3) notes of publication. Stanford then went on to discuss the present state of the Rio Grande property. The plan involves dividing the property into four general areas: 1) SPA for recreation, parking and future building; 2) SPA greenway located adjacent to the Roaring Fork River; 3) SPA service, commercial, industrial PUD; and 4) SPA designated for a fraternal lodge. We are asking for a very general master plan to be .adopted for this area. The SPA plan requires area and bulk requirements for each area. There are no heighth limits or uses set within the zoning code. 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DENVER R E C O R D O P P R O C E E D I N G S Regular Meeting Planning and Zonin g Commission September 6, 1977 Julie Hane wanted to know how many parking spaces there were presently on the Rio Grande property. Stanford said 200. Hane said that parking should be considered seriously. There is a problem now. Stanford said this was only an interim plan. Klar suggested moving the MacFarland property further up Mill Street and acquiring the land adjacent to the river for the greenway. Stanford said that is what was originally proposed. Both parties eventually decided that the present trade was a better idea. Klar said that moving it away from the main road, the traffic problem would be greater. Baranko said that parcel one could be moved away from the river. Stanford retorted that access had to be maintained. The Planning Office wanted a green strip by the ball park. Mayer said that the river was totally abused before when businesses were in that location. Bill Dunaway objected to having access to parking only on Mill Street. Parking should have access from Spring Street as the original plan showed. The traffic light is getting worse. Collins suggested continuing the public hearing at a future date. Isaac moved to table the Rio Grande SPA until the October 4, 1977, meeting. Hedstrom seconded the motion. All in favor. Frank Baranko excused himself. PP Irving Biers Smith presented Irving Biers case for a use determination for an Use determination expresso coffee house. in the C-1 district in the Hunter Square Building.. The determination to be made is to include or not a coffee house in the C-1 district. It is similar to Garrard's pastry shop which was conditional use. Food could be sold but not consumed on the site. Kane recommend approval subject to conditions that use would not expand to a full restaurant facility and that there be a deed covenant. It should not be a tourist trade. Casa Expresso was a local function. The Planning Office recommends that as a stipulation the Casa Expresso be permitted as a con- ditional use as opposed to a permitted use. PP Collins said that the present code allows for no conditional usesin t~ C-1 district. Smith stated that Say Frommage and Garrards were conditional uses. Collins said that desire in the past was to keep restaurants from expanding into the C-1 district. Isaac felt that by allowing a coffee shop to go in under special review would be increasing the concept of C-1. Collins said that restaurants were best suited in CC. He read the uses listed in the code book for C-1. The closest use was for a catering service. Klar thought that a coffee shop was service-employee oriented which is the intent of C-1. Irving Biers said that the idea is to carry on that type of shop since Casa Expresso closed. It would be used by a lot of locals. It is away from the tourist area and is accessible to civil employees. The location lends itself to locals due to the lack of parking in the downtown area. The limiting factor would be the fact that there will be no kitchen.. A microwave oven would be the only cooking instrument and that would only be used to warm pastries. Isaac wondered if they would need a liquor license. Biers said no, but said that he would like to serve things like Irish coffee. Mixed drinks don't go with a coffee house. Collins said that a new conditional use would have to be added to the code for C-1 - something like a specialty food shop. The Planning Office will have to determine what can be done and what has been done from past food store allowances. 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LL6T 9 .xagma; ag uoFssFmmoO u?uoZ puE u?uuEja uF;aayy zEjn ag RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS 100 Leaves FGPM :0 C. F, XGECIIEL B. B. B L. CG. i2egular Meeting Planning and Zoning Commission September 6, 1977 Klar supported the development of a conference center. Should not a clear friendly statement be articulated. Stuller suggested drafting a minority report to Council. Hedstrom said that P&Z was on record for approving the conceptual plan of the Institute for 356 rooms. Stanford said the nature of the units was non tourist. The attempt is for an education oriented conference center. Isaac said he would be in favor of exemption when there is a more precise plan. Collins said it was time to vote on the motion. All were in favor except Ensign. The motion passed. Collins thanked Stuller for her time and help. Isaac moved to adjourn. Ensign seconded the motion. All in favor; meeting adjourned at 8:00 PM. u<,~s~~~ Deputy City Clerk