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HomeMy WebLinkAboutminutes.apz.19770816BRADFORD PBBLI9HIN6 CO., DENVER R E C O R D O F P R O C E E D I N G S Regular Meeting Planning and Zoning Commission August 16, 1977 The Planning and Zoning Commission held a regular meeting on August 16, 1977, at 5:20 PM in the City Council Chambers. Members present were Chic Collins, Olaf Hedstrom, Donald Ensign, Joan Klar, Frank Baranko and Tom Isaac. Also present from the Planning Office were Karen Smith, Bill Kane and John Stanford. Frank Baranko moved to approve the minutes of 9 August 1977, seconded by Ensign. All in favor; minutes passed. Baptist Church Karen Smith discussed the Baptist Church conditional use. conditional The biggest question is about parking. Additional parking use must be located on the original property. The only latitude is in the amount of additional parking. David Gibson, architect for the Baptist Church project, said that the purpose of expanding the church is to handle the existing problem of overcrowding. If the parking problem only occurs for 2 hours one day a week, then this is not really a problem. This parking requirement would eliminate churches from downtown Aspen. Churches should not be put in a class with commercial enterprises. The normal use is one minister, one secretary and one assistant minister and one or two visitors which would be 5 or 6 cars at the most. This deserves your support since churches are a healthy part of a community. Collins said he had reviewed the zone requirements for off street parking. Parking is determined by review by this commission for this use. On Sunday Collins inspected the area during the time of the 8:00 and 11:00 service. The parking was moderate to heavy. There was plenty of parking on the street and across 7th Avenue. Isaac said that he inspected at the 11:00 service. The parking was heavy. Isaac was against the approach taken by the Church. A trans- portation plan could be presented which would alleviate the problem. People could be bused. Spalding, from the church, said they had just bought a bus. Holloway, from the church, wondered if the parishioners could park near the duck pond on Cemetery Lane and be picked up there. The Institute has offered a sympathetic reply, but not a definite yes. Then there is City parking. Isaac told them to make a plan and bring it back. Smith said that a clarification of required parking is needed. Shared use should be encouraged since it is a better land use. The code does not recognize this problem. Collins said it is such a low use frequency that the abundance of on street parking could be used on nearby streets. It is not a strong impact. Klar suggested that the expanded size of the church might increase the use of the church. Spalding said that it was unlikely. Baranko and Ensign felt that the Baptist Church should submit a transportation proposal. Smith said that any motion to approve their conditional sue should state that there would be no additional parking requirements. Dave Ellis is against parallel parking on 7th Street. It was decided to make a motion and not bring it back to the Commission and let the Planning Office handle the parking problem. 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Oates wondered if condominiumization was being treated differently than subdivision. Kane said subdivision is more restrictive. Kauffman said that this type of policy would be asking a few people to take on the burden of the community. Hedstrom moved to continue this hearing at 5:00 PM next Tuesday. Isaac seconded the motion. All in favor; meeting continued. Jacobie Prelim- Karen Smith presented the Jacobie Preliminary Plat for the inary Plat - Public Hearing. It is a five unit building on Park Circle, Public Hearing Four memos were presented for the record: 1) from the Planning Office on August 11, 1977; 2)from the City Engineer Dave Ellis on August 10, 1977; 3) from the Planning Office on July 20, 1977; and 4) from Mountain Bell on August 2, 1977. At the conceptual stage the Planning Office recommended approval subject to detailed technical review at the preliminary stage. The remaining disagreements can be resolved prior to final plat. Leonard Oates, attorney for the case, said that the main problem is a gap in ownership between two properties. This will be resolved. Collins opened the meeting to the public. There were no comments. The public portion was closed. Isaac asked why they were requesting a full subdivision. Smith said that full subdivision is at the option of the City Engineer. This requires compliance with design standards. Ensign moved to grant the preliminary plat approval for the Jacobie Condominiums Subdivision subject to the correction of several specified conditions. Hedstrom seconded the motion. All in favor; motion approved. Temple Allen Smith discussed the Temple Allen request for a subdivision Subdivision exemption. It is six lots on Main Street in the O district. Exemption Allen wishes to separate lots K and L from the other four lots for the purpose of selling Aspen Valley Realty. The City Engineer (memo of August 10, 1977) has stated that the sidewalk is substandard. It needs to be concrete rather than gravel. There is no access permitted off Highway 82 thus access from the alley or the adjacent parking lot need to be granted. Temple Allen said that he would do whatever needed to be done to be granted this request. He stated that Mahoney had okayed the gravel sidewalk several years ago. Ensign moved to recommend approval of the Temple Allen request to be exempt from strict application of the subdivision regulation because requirements have been met and the intent of the regulation has been satisfied subject to replacement of the gravel sidewalk by concrete and access to lots K & L be allowed by easement through the existing drive or alley. Baranko seconded the motion. All in favor; motion granted, Gignoux Lynch Smith presented the Gignous Lynch preliminary plat for preliminary plat public hearing. 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He felt that the previous criteria for judgement of projects was weak. Everyone had expressed disatisfaction with the previous scoring system. The new criteria would be section 24-10.5 (c) of the ordinance. It would consist of 60 points spread thru five sections. 1. Public Facilities and Services. (aa) Water; (bb) Sewer; (cc) Storm Drainage; (dd) Fire Protection; (ee) School Capacity; and (ff) Roads. Each section was worth 3 points. Tom Isaac said that it had been decided before to drop (ee) School Capacity and add parking. Kane said it would be best to drop it altogether and make public facilities worth a maximum of 15 points. 2. Social Facilities and Services. (aa) Public Transportation; (bb) Police Protection; and (cc) Proximity to commercial support facilities. Each section was worth 2 points for a total of 6 points. 3. Quality of Design. (aa) Architectural design; (bb) Site design; (cc) Energy; and (cc) Amenties. Each section was worth 3 points for a total of 12 points. Isaac suggested that fireplaces be added in the energy section. Kane had no objection as long as the fireplace contributed to the energy. Standard fireplaces are energy consuming. It was decided to add to (cc) "degree to which fireplace energy efficiency is considered." 4. Amenities and services provided for guests for a total of 6 points. This is a bonus section. This makes the distinction of a lodge from a condominium, since it considers what is done with the open space and encourages common areas. 5. Conformance to local public policy goals. (aa) Reduction below maximum allowable internal FAR; (bb) Provision of bonus employee housing; and (cc) Auto disincentive. Each is worth 3 points for a total of 9 points. Ensign stated that if parking areas were reduced it would mitigate against summer use. Kane said that the goals for summer were the same for winter although it was a good point. Hedstrom said that 4 and 5(aa) were hard to balance against one another. Kane said that there was a mistake. "For tourist rental space" should be added on 5(aa). Andy Hecht, a lawyer, wanted to know the difference between a vacant lot and one with some development. Kane stated that Cantrup wanted some consideration to be given to existing projects as opposed to new ones. Kane felt it would not be equitable if there was a bias toward existing projects. Only additions would be evaluated separately. Hecht then asked if a lodge owner wanted to rebuild his lodge with larger rooms would that be feasible. 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DENVER R E C O R D O F P R O C E E D I N G S Special Meeting Planning and Zoning Commission August 16, 1977 Hedstrom moved to continue this special meeting on 30 August 1977 at 11:30 AM. Baranko seconded the motion. All in favor; motion passed. Isaac moved to adjourn the meeting, seconded by Baranko. All in favor; meeting adjourned at 1:20 PP1. ~ ~~~ Elisabeth Sherrill, Deputy City Clerk