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Home My WebLink Aboutminutes.apz.19760113RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS 100 Leaves FpiM SD C. I. XOECN EL B. B. ! L [0. Regular Meeting Planning and Zoning Commission January 13, 1976 The meeting was called to order by Jack Jenkins, Chairman. Members present were F3a1 Clark and John Stanford of the Planning Office, Danny Abbott, Roger Hunt, Bill Kane of the Planning Office, Chick Collins and Patrick Dobie. Special Guest was Ester Beamer of the Supermarket cacus. The meeting was opened with the presentation by Ester Beamer on the Supermarket proposal. Presentation Ms. Beamer presented each member of the Committee with a packet of letters that were mailed to the council from persons commenting on the Supermarket. These were people that had written in within four days before Council made a decision on the Truman property. Mr. Jenkins was inquisitive as to what had gone on at the City Council meeting the previous night in regards to this subject. Hal Clark informed the group that there had been an hour's discussion on this subject, and that it was tabled. The entire problem arose because this item was not placed on the Council Agenda until Monday noon by the City Manager. Therefore, all interested persons could not be informed that this was going to be discussed. Bill Kane stated that Larry Yaw appeared before Council and made a presentation on December 23, when there were only four council members present. They had a straw vote and it was decided to go back to the drawing board. The matter was tabled because the general consensus was that the building was too large and they would rather that the matter be tabled rather than completley dismissed. Ms. Beamer continued with the presentation and related the figures that 30,000 people in the winter eat here. Of that figure, 5,000 eat in Restaurants, this leaves 25,000 people buying groceries. The 20,000 are supposed to be residents or full time people .and this is figured on the 7~ growth rate. At 3~ growth rate, in five years the 8,000 locals will increase 3,000 plus. You can see the growth rate here. The City market here is 12,000 square feet. The City Market in Glenwood, food and storage is 20,000 square feet, and the Safeway in Glenwood, food and storage is 28,000. The problem with the City Market here is the lack of shelf space. There is also a shortage of storage space. City Market would welcome the competition of another supermarket. Currently, they bring in 25 Semi trucks each week, they have 165 employees, some working nights unloading these trucks trying to keep up with the outflow. There have been several suggestions to help them cope with the lack of space, possibly bringing the front of the store out an additional 10 ft, but this would seriously cut down on the parking space. Another suggestion has been to add another floor. Ms. Beamer related these problems to people going down valley for their shopping needs, such as to Glenwood Springs or even Basalt. She does not feel that 12,000 square feet will alleviate the problem substantially. This would not allow for sufficient storage space to make the economy size products available to the customers. The City Market here cannot provide this at this time because of the shelf space problem. Bill Kane related that what was being suggested was a 15,000 square ft. store, with 3,000 storage with ,•.. •saT?go~ogna ;o quno~a auq aonpaz TT?M s?uy •bu?xzad TaTTEZad oq pauznq aq TT?M bu?xzad aTbu~ •bu?xzad znou g aq TTTM uo?uM apuaz~ o?g auq pua xzPd ~agng uaaMgaq ao?nzas aTggnus auq butdoTanap Aq zaugzn; uana saob nI asaud •asaazou? osTE TTiM agaz gttuzad bu?xzad }s?znoq auy •pauagzous bu?aq saaza bu?xzad uuaq gzous auq u}?M 'znou oMq oq znou auo ~oz; papuagxa aq osTa pTnoM bu?xzad TEOOT auy 'pabzETua aq TTrM aazE ;?~zad bu?xzad TaooT auy •zao s?u ;o qno qs?znoq auq gab oq ~ags~s ~?suazq ssa~ auq ;o qua~doTaaap auq ggiM uo?gounCuoo u? aq TTTM III asaud •uadsy u? burn?zza oq zo?zd s?uq ;o pa~zo;u? aq TTTM o?Tgnd auq gEuq os suo?ganza -saz ziauq bu?xa~ azE aTdoad uauM suoiganzasag uads~ auq ubnozuq uan?b aq ~agsAs s?uq zo;•dq?o?Tgnd gEuq pagsabbns s? qI •dTuo bu?xzad ~?uuad aq pTnoM s?uq pagags gEuq pasn aq pTnoM sub?g •~ags~s uo?gEgzodsuazq a?Tgnd auq asn zo '}?uuad bu?xzad E ana?oaz oq agaz ub?u E dEd oq anau zauq?a TTTM qs?znoq aqy •aaz; s? s?uq '~?~zad bu?xzad a zo; ~;?Tanb ~TTao?gE~ogna nod 'agETd ~aTTan uMOp E zo 'sagaTd ~Z aaag nod ;? :bu?aq sa pagazgsnTT? saM ~ags~s gt~zad bu?xzad aqy •saazE gaxzaW ~q?J auq PuE TTEW quEZna auq PunozE sa lions 'zanouznq lib?q abaznooua o; zapzo u? pagsabbns osTa s? bu?xzad zo; sznou auq u? sabuaq~ •II asEgd oqu? zaqua pTnoM aM uauq 'saaza gaazgs zadoo~ puE EuaTa~ bu?soTo sapnTou? uo?uM 'pasaazou? aza saaza aaz; ogna auq a~?~ au} qy •azo;aq uEuq dT?naau azo~ pagaxo?~ aq osTE TTTM szEO agEgg ;o ono •zauMO aqq Aq pano~ zo hEMa paMOq s? zoo auq T?gun sgaxo?q an?aoaz oq anu?quoo TTTM q? 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Tasodozd o?sag auq pau?Tgno TI?ff •ao?;;p bu?uuEid auq 3o pzo;uEgg uuor pua auEx TT?ff Xq uo?gaquasazd bu?xzad auq saM ~aq? gxau auy uo?qaq -uasazd bu?xzEd •gaxza~ -zadns auq ;o quoz; lit dTgoaz?p qT?nq aq zagTaus snq E gsanbaz pTnoM aus gEuq pappE osTa za~Eag •sW •uo?q?gad~oo ;o xnT;u? eons bu?olio?zadxa aza ~q?o auq u? azau ssau?snq zaugo '~aTgozd a ~TTEaz qou s? gaxzaW dq?~ bu?qs?xa Mou auq oq pasoddo sE gaxza~zadns Mau auq ;o goadsE uo?q?gad~oo auy •asodznd gauq zo; aq pasodozd •q3 000'ST auq gauq bu?aq snsuas -uoo auq ugTM 'passnos?p saM goads saTas poo; T?agaz zo; uzaouoo aqy •hgzadozd uaumzy auq uo s?uq zo; ~q?ungzoddo auq s? azauq 'pagEgs auEg 'qng •spzapuEgs zaMOT ~oz; bu?puaoTun ;o ~aTgozd auq ;o asnaoaq apazb MoTaq abEZOgs auq oq pasoddo sEM ag •sgoadsE abazogs gnogE pagTnsuoo sEM puE 'szaoos~ pagE?ooss~ ;o an?gaquasazdaz auq s? zags?u?~gsaM ;o 'xzaTJ goy 'zanaMOg •apazb a~as auq zapun abazogs TEUO?q?ppE -Z- ~° A RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS 100 Leaves Jack Jenkins did not feel that high cost of parking and tickets will not prevent the tourist from bringing in his car. All this will do is add irritation. Hal Clark acknowledged that this is simply an in- cremental step towards the problem, not the absolute solution. Mr, Graminger questioned whether this plan was differentiated between summer and winter, and Mr. Jenkins related that the whole problem was worse during the winter and therefore this whole thing has been centered around the winter season. It was the general consensus that in order for this plan to be effective it would need ample publicity, emphasis on transit, the argument to the PUC for additional means to provide transit. It was suggested that cooperation between the lodges and the planners will be imperative. All the lodges will have to end up on an equal basis in relation to the parking so that the system will work. The problem of the ski corporations and their people that ski, they have built their ski areas and have inadequate transportation and parking for the skiers. They have shouldered this responsibility on to the City.. The city is now trying to phase this responsibility back on to the ski corp. It was acknowledged that this system is just a plug in until the mass transit can be developed to handle the excess people, Tt was suggested that part of the fees collected on the high parking permits be put towards the mass transit system. It was reccommended that copies of the report be given and distributed to any members that might not have one. It was moved that the meeting adjourn, It was reminded to the members that the UMTA presentation would be brought up at the forthcoming City Council meeting, the Park Maintenance sheds also would be brought up. The meeting was adjourned at 7:15.