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HomeMy WebLinkAboutminutes.apz.19751125RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS 100 Leaves ipiM f0 C. F. XO ECI(EL B. B. B L GA Continued Meeting Aspen Planning and Zoning Commission November 25,1975 Meeting was called to order by Chairman Jack Jenkins at 5:15 p.m. with members Chic Collins, Roger Hunt, Brian Goodheim, Patrick Dobie, Mike Otte present. Also present was City Attorney Stuller and Hal Clark. Ordinance #71, City Attorney Stuller passed to commissioners a handout Series of 1975 on the Ordinance which she is composing on quasi-judicial hearings. This material was in support of Ordinance #71, Series of 1975 which should be in effect in about 2 to 3 weeks at which time Stuller mentioned that she would go through it with the Planning and Zoning Commissioi City Attorney Stuller mentioned that for December 2, 1975, there will be a public hearing set for three Ordinance; those being Ordinance #66, Series of 1975; which is keeping of livestock. Stuller explained that this Ordinance had originated out of the Building Inspector's Office because he didn't know what to do with the numerous complaints that he would receive about keeping of animals. The building inspector asked that there be some articulation as to when it would be a permitted use and when it wouldn't be. Ordinance #67, Series of 1975; which is basically reenacting section 24-3.7D3 of the Code amending the open space requirement of the zoning code so that all mandatory space be provided at grade. Ordinance #71, Series of 1975; was initiated by the City Council. Ordinance #71 is a Planned Unit Development Ordinance. City Attorney explained that what they have done was take out all of the plat and engineering requirements and adopt by reference the subdivision regulations. There is no reason why we should have duplicate or inconsistent engineering standards. Also the PUD review procedures have been correlated with the subdivision review procedures so that both can be accommodated simultaneously. What has been abstracted and maintained in the PUD process is the emphasis on design, and landscaping and architectural review and mostly lease type aspects of a PUD process. There have been established procedures and rights to enforce the PUD and for amending the PUD and things on that order. Also they have inserted a complete architectural review and that is a new element of a PUD. City Attorney Stuller explained that the architectural review will be a review of the suitability of the building for its purposes, looking at the materials, and the building design emphasizing minimum disturbance of the natural terrain. The idea of the architectural review is to make sure that the new buildings in the community harmonize with the tradition of construction in the vicinity and to enhance the terrain and that there be least distrubance possible to the terrain. Jenkins felt that it is not a good thing to get involved in the architectural review. He questioned why the Planning and Zoning Commission should have to evaluate what an architect or a group of architects or the design principle that has been in use--it just doesn't happen to fit. City Attorney Stuller felt that that was a legitimate complaint. Kane mentioned that the Planning Department is trying to go through a legitimate process and investigate what essentially a design quality of good buildings in Aspen and make an established objective criteria, certain specific design features and incorporate those in an -z- • •anozddE TEU?~ .zag3E uETd oq quaucpuaucE puE p.zooaz uios3 gETd E bu?ME3p uio.z3 saznpaoozd puE TEnosddE and E 3o suo?g?puoo puE squauraTa aug ao.zo3ua og saznpaoozd Mau a.zE azauy •ug?M sa?Tducoo qou azE saTnpauos bu?sEud uo?gon.zgsuoo asauq 3T. and E axona,z oq eCq?zougnE uE saTnpauos bu?sEud puE uo?gon.zgsuoo ~I.zogapuEUt s? azauy •auc?} 3o po?.zad E nano pau?Equ?EUC ~CT.zadozd sr goads -uado gEug saaguazanb azE asauq :suo?srnozd quauiaazbE AgTTTaE3 uounuoo puE goads-uado a.zE a.zauy •EazE gEuq u? sbu?ug .zaugo puE asn gu?oC agapounuoooE oq squauiaz?nbaz bu?X.zEd gaazgs-33o puE uo?gE?zan o?3TOads E s? a.zauy •squauiaz?nbas uald bu?dEOSpuaT paTTEgap a.zE a.zauy •Mau sT Ma?nas TESngoagruozE auq AjTETquassa Ma?na.z 3o saazE Mau a.zE a.zauy •ub?sap TTazano puE ub?sap TEZngoaq?uozE 'bu?sEud uorgonzgsuoo puE 'uoTgonzgsuoo 'bu?dEOSpuaT uo co?gEUC.zo3u? apnTou? gsnuc uo?gEOTTcidE and auq gEug uo?gdaoxa aug gqTM suo?gETnbas uoTS?n?pgns auq sE squauca.z?nbaz uo?ss?ucgns TEO?quap? aqq azE azauy •TTOUno~ Ag?~ a.zo3aq TEU?~ uaug puE bu?~aaq o?Tgnd RTuo aqq sT uo?uM bu?uoZ puE bu?uuETd aqq azo3aq d.zEU?iu?Yazd E uagq puE T?ouno~ Ag?~ puE bu?uoZ puE bu?uuETd azo3aq Tangdaouoo E sT uo?uM :uoTSTn?pgns ugTM TEO?quap? asnpaoozd Ma?naz aqq apEUi 'uoTSTn?pgns gqTM TEO?quap? utaug apEUC 'TEO?uuoaq aqq 30 TTa gno uaXEq anau logy 'SL6i 3o sa?zaS 'TL# aouau?pzp 3o gsaz aug u?ETdxa og panu?guoo saTTngS ~Cau.zoggy dg?~ •aouau?P~0 aug >agEgzd?ozad gEi[M s? sETTTA guy •TESZana.z E .zo uoTgEO?Tdnp E qou ST qi •abEgs TEUT3 aug qE T?ouno~ Ag?n aqq gE s? aq pTnoM abEgs TEZngoaq?uozE aqq 3o Ma?naz TEU?3 auq aui?g ~Tuo aqq gEug pauo?quaut zaTTngS ~Iauzoggy gig?~ •goadsE paT?Egap .zaugouE ug-[M ssaoozd aqq uapznq you .zaugaz pTnoM ag •xooT pTnous sbu?pT?nq Mou 3o gdaouoo E axEUi pTnous T?ouno~ AqT~ uo bu?qq?s aTdoad aqq zo uo?ss?unuo~ bu?uoZ puE bu?uuETd aqq gEqq Taa3 g,usaop ucraupoo~ ~oua?zadxa uE s? uadsy u? sburpT?nq aqq puE a.zngoaq?uosE 30 dqa?san E s? quauidoTanap E azauM sTEnpTn?pu? 3o uMOg E .zabuoT ou puE uMOgab.zoa~ zo 'TTEn aX?T gEuMauios aq oq uads~ gab t~EUI Ma?naz TEZngoaq?uo.zE gEuq gTa3 ui?aupoo~ •saouanbasuoo bu?zaau?bug auq 30 gas?EZddE azE chug sE gsnC saouanbasuoo auq 3o pas?EZddE aq pTnous ~Iauq s.zauo?ss?unuoo aqq oq gab saop g? uauM gEqq os ssaoozd bu?uuETd aqq 3o goadsE Tao?uuoaq asoui E aq pTnous ssaoozd Ma?naz aug aq~IEUC puE an?q?uT3ap azoiu aq pjnous g? gEqq gTa3 ag •ssaoozd aqq abpnC oq anEu pTnous bu?uoZ puE bu?uuETd 3? pauo?gsanb agqp •ssaoozd bu?uuETd aug 3o gzad s? a.zngoaq?uo.za aqq gEuq puE ~Iouags?suoo E bu?us?Tgagsa 3o tIEM autos aq pTnous a.zaug gEuq gTa3 agqp •sbu?pT?nq ad~Cq pTEUOaoys qno daax og Ma?na.z TEZngoaq?uozE uE aq pTnous azaug gng •paMOSZau bu?aq gzEgs TT?M squ?EZgsuoo auq uauM s? gEuq 'sTauorssa3o.zd 3o do apEUc saagq?unuoo Ma?naz TEZngoagruozE you 'zanaMOu :Ma?naz TEZngoaq?uo.zE 3o pu?x autos aq pTnous azaug gEuq gTa3 a?qoa •qua?o?33ns ssaT goaCozd auq axEUi TTTM ssaoozd aTouM auq gEuq paazbE zaTTngg eSauzoggy gig?n • sMa?na.z azoui axaui ATuo TT?M puE uozganTEna ~IaEZq?q.zE uE aq TTTM qT puE T?ouno~ dq?n uauq puE g? 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Continued Meeting Aspen Planning and Zoning Commission November 25, 1975 Ordinance #71, City Attorney Stuller continued to explain that what Series of 1975 the PUD ordinance is saying is that you can never have (COnt'd) more density then the zoning district allows and the alternative is there may be imposed a limitation on density because of PUD proposal. Kane mentioned that that will allow the Planning and Zoning the freedom to adjust density when it is appropriate if there is a mix of uses. Trueman Property Kane mentioned that Ester Beamer and anyother member of (cont'd from the Supermarket Caucus was invited to attend the meeting November 18 to inject any advice they may have about the design meeting) considerations for the supermarket. Beamer asked that the Planning and Zoning make the market adequate for the size and price and the competitiveness and to consider the family viewpoint. Beamer felt that the sizes of packages at City Market were usually only middle size. Beamer mentioned that the price, selection, and size are the subjects that are the most important. Kane suggested that Beamer meet with Joe Porter and Larry Yaw, who are presently .designing the Trueman property, and give her¢ input as to the size of the supermarket. Yaw mentioned that they are in the conceptual stage and part of the conceptual stage is whether there will be a 20,000 sq.ft. supermarket. Yaw explained that they are putting on the site two major uses, one is the post office which is 23,000 sq.ft. and the other is commercial complex which is suppose to be a neighborhood commercial. That will have all of the things that people living in this section can drive to and park if the downtown area does not have access to parking near their shops. This building would have a 25,000 sq.ft. footprint which is a total of 75,000 sq.ft. The building would have three levels, the bottom would have commercial; which is the 20,000 sq.ft. shopping market; plus 5,000 5,000 sq.ft. of the commercial things. The second floor would be shops of some commercial facilities and then limited apartments on the top floor. Yaw mentioned that they would try and tuck the building into the hillside and have pathways connect with the community pathway systems, coming down from the school; it would e-ither go through town, goes through the Rio Grande Property or comes across the Silver King Property. Kane was concerned with the aligmm~et on Spring Street. Porter showed a line which could get to the Red Mountain Panhandle. That assumes that if Spring Street were the primary road it could either come around with an 80' right-of-way or go on up to Red Mountain; or if there is to leave more space to the park would have to go over and remove these buildings and then go up with D4i11 Street right angeling over this. Ellis explained that Porter had demonstrated that if the road were to go down the panhandle, that it could be accommodated. The question that is out of Porter's hand is which line would the City use. Mill street as it exists near the bridge currently; or the panhandle.- Kane mentioned to Planning and Zoning Commission, that they had at one time organized a decision chart for the Council to review and one of the first things on the -3- ... -~- 'TTEUC auq ;o qno uanrzp aq qou jjTM ajdoad aqq gEug ulagsAs gLI2TSLIE3g ;o pujx autos ;o uo?gEjnoz?o so bu?xZad punozbzapun zo bu?xzad gaazgs-;;o ;o pu?X autos pEu ajdoad TEOOT aqq ;z gEug gja; su?jjo~ •ajpuEu oq gaaZgS TT?NI Zo; o?;;EZq uonui ooq agEZauab jjTM q? 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F, XOECN EL B. B. B L. [0. Continued Meeting Aspen Planning and Zoning Commission November 25, 1975 Trueman Property Kane mentioned that within the next few weeks the Planning (COnt'd from Department is going to come up with a plan for a parking November 18 plan for downtown to deal with these problems. At Meeting) present there is a shuttle bus to accommodate people parking down at the Rio Grande and mentioned that walking up from the Rio Grande to the core area of the mall is closer than parking 3 or 4 blocks away from the core area and walking. Yaw mentioned two ways to deal with Mill Street; 1) to enlarge Mill Street and put in Spring Street and to enlarge a thourghfare system and build some structure parking downtown. 2) The way the County and City seem to be pursuing now and that is to find as many alter- natives to the automobile as possible, get a transiet system and reduce as much of the tourist traffic as possible. It could reduce local traffic by 20~ and tourist traffic by 80~; therefore, cutting traffic across Castle Creek considerably. The other way would be to leave Mill Street the way it is and reduce the number of trips. Most of the trips are local trips. Kane said that whay they are recommending is that 12,000 sq.ft. be located in the current City Market site and that this site be regarded as a neighborhood center. They are recommending that the site be done in a neighborhood scale, that it is an equal facility as City Market so that traffic be disbursed evenly across two centers rather than giving competitive advantage to this site and attracting all the traffic in one space. If it is a 20,000 sq.ft. store than the competit- ivness is there and the traffic generated and congestion generated by food will be attracted to that site. Dobie suggested that the major topic is the size of the building and could see the mall being for tourists and this be the locals center; therefore, only local businesses should be permitted to go down there. Otte had no problem with the size of the building. Goodheim wasn't ready to make a decision on the size of the building. He didn't like the traffic that would be generated on Mill Street--the traffic situation is a problem. Abbott felt that the City will have to do something with Mill Street before deciding what should be on the Trueman property. Collins felt that the automobile has been trying to be demphasize and a shopping area of this size will only create more automobiles on the outside area of the downtown area. Collins feels that this does not come under the definition of neighborhood commercial which is a convenience which should cut down traffic and my objection is scope of traffic generation. Hunt moved for recommendation to City Council to approve the conceptual plan. 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F. XOECKfL B. B. G L [0. RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS 100 Leaves Continued Meeting Aspen Planning and Zoning Commission November 25, 1975 Trueman Property Jenkins asked Grueter to write up his position point (Cont'd from and asked Ellis to do the same thing; stating objections November 18 and positions and they will be given first consideration Meeting) at next weeks meeting. Hunt withdrew his motion and moved to table; Abbott made a second. All in favor, motion carried. Hunt made a motion to adjourn until n ext Tuesday for a continued meeting; seconded by Abbott . Meeting adjourned at 8:00 p.m. ~ D - 0.~~11.. Eliz eth M. K1 , n~~... ~puty City Clerk