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Stan Gibbs called the regular meeting, Tuesday, March 15, 2011 to order at 4:34 in
Sister Cities meeting Room. P &Z member excused was Jasmine Tygre and Jim
DeFrancia. P &Z Commissioners in attendance were Michael Wampler, Bert
Myrin, LJ Erspamer and Stan Gibbs. Cliff Weiss arrived at 5:45. Staff in
attendance Jim True, Special City Counsel; Sara Adams, Community
Development; Jennifer Phelan, Deputy Community Development Director; Jackie
Lothian, Deputy City Clerk.
COMMENTS
Bert Myrin thanked Jackie for scanning the enormous packet. Myrin said that he
was working on a memo for the 29
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MOTION: Bert Myrin moved to approve the minutes of March fit seconded by LJ
Erspamer. All in favor APPROVED.
Declarations of Conflicts of Interest
None stated.
PUBLIC HEARING:
217/219 South Third, Amendment to the Official Zone District Map
Stan Gibbs opened the public hearing on 217/219 South Third, amendment to the
official zone district map. Notice was provided. Jennifer Phelan said that she
would provide an overview of the application, the commission can ask questions
and the applicant has a chance to provide an overview, the commission can ask
questions then the hearing will be open to the public.
Phelan said the applicant was requesting rezoning of the property from Moderate
Density R -15 to Medium Density Residential R -6. Currently the property contains
a legally established duplex. Phelan said this isn't the first time that we have been
here on this property; the process is the Planning & Zoning Commission make a
recommendation to City Council and the Council is the final decision on this
request to rezone the property. Phelan noted on February 22, 2010 the Planning &
Zoning Commission heard the same request to rezone the property from R -15 to R-
6 and they made a recommendation of denial but in that resolution they made a
recommendation of resubmitting for rezoning concurrent with a site specific
development plan that would address the concerns of the neighbors. The applicant
has since that hearing submitted schematic developments of that site both as a
property zoned R -15 and R -6, Exhibit G in the packet, page 23 shows after
demolition of the existing structure the duplex and the carriage house. Also
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submitted is Exhibit H in the packet 60 showing 2 detached single family homes
on the site. Phelan said the applicant was only seeking a recommendation for
rezoning.
Phelan said the scope of review for rezoning; the commission has adopted criteria
in the land use code, Exhibit A, page 11 in the packet; the compatibility of
surrounding zone districts; are there changed conditions within the neighborhood.
Phelan said there was adopted criteria to be considered also in the memo is a
comparison of the permitted uses under R -15 versus if it were R -6; it also includes
dimensional requirements on the height allowed under either zone district,
minimum setback from property lines; to assist and understand the differences
between the R -15 and the R -6 zone district. This is not a venue to debate specifics
of whether floor area is reduced by steep slopes or to which schematics meet site
coverage requirements; this is the big picture what could happen in this project not
the debatable issues. Is the schematic right with the floor area or a setback or lot
coverage because those issues are reviewed and approved or disapproved at
building permit. That all gets approved at building permit.
Phelan said she would talk about three things: comparison of the uses in the zone
district; dimensional standards of R -15 versus R -6; the schematics that were
provided and end up with a recommendation to the commission. Page 3 of the
staff memo is a table comparing R -15 and R -6; the permitted uses are identical and
residential; conditional uses are identical except Agricultural uses in the R -15 zone
district.
Phelan said the subject lot is a 9,942 square foot lot with a legally established but
non - conforming structure on it; currently in R -15 the lot size is too small to have a
duplex on it but since it was legally established it is allowed to stay. Also currently
under the R -15 zoning, if this duplex was demolished the applicant has the right
within a year of demolishing the building to replace the duplex but on a single
family home floor area. The difference on an R -6 lot the minimum lot size would
be met at 6,000 square feet for a single family home; you need 9,000 square feet
for a duplex or you could do two detached residences on an R -6 lot. In either zone
district you can build an accessory dwelling unit.
Phelan noted on page 5 there was a table that talks about the comparison of
building either a duplex or 2 detached residences on an R -15 or an R -6 lot. If there
are steep slopes on this property the floor area is decreased by 25. Phelan said the
applicant is proposing a private deed restriction to prohibit the development of an
ADU or Carriage House. This is a private deal so the City does not want to get
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involved in the deed restriction. Phelan said the neighborhood is a mix of single
family, duplex and multi - family units and a lodge across the street from the subject
property. The property across the street is zoned R -6 and there was a map on page
6 showing the different zone districts. The purpose statement for the R -6 zone
district states that lands are generally limited to the original Aspen town site, which
this is in; contains predominately detached and duplex residences, would only be
allowed if this was rezoned and that it is within walking distance to the downtown
core. Staff recommends approval of the rezoning; the rezoning would create a
conforming lot.
LJ Erspamer asked the maximum floor area on page 5. Jennifer Phelan replied that
was the maximum and was based on the lot size included. Phelan said that you
could land a TDR on the property, which would be an extra 250 square feet; the
floor area is a net not a gross number because a lot of basement space is exempted.
Erspamer asked if this was in a subdivision. Phelan replied no it is part of the
original town site. Erspamer asked if R -15 was made to be a buffer between the
mountain and the rest of the community. Phelan answered the zoning was pretty
loose and you would see a lot of development and multi - family in this
neighborhood so that the property was down zoned to prohibit the multi - family
development to continue. Erspamer asked if they were spot zoning this property.
Phelan replied they were not spot zoning this property; there is R -6 across the
street and you would be creating a conforming lot.
Bert Myrin asked if page 11 and 12 were the only 2 pages with the criteria to rely
on. Phelan said that was the criteria and you need to make those decisions on the
character of the neighborhood. Myrin said there was no recommendation of a lot
split or discussion of one; is there any reason we wouldn't recommend a lot split to
Council. Phelan replied they wouldn't be able to as R -6 because it is not a
historical lot at 6.000 square feet per lot in that zone district.
Suzanne Foster, applicant/owner, showed comparisons for R -15 and R -6 and the
building department told her that what she has is a realistic build out for R -15
property. Jennifer Phelan said that all of the drawings appear to be exhibits in the
packet; Exhibits G, H and I. Suzanne Foster replied they were all exhibits in the
packet. Foster said the goal was to separate the mass on the property. Foster read
the article about the Boomerang from the newspaper. Foster said that they share
the goal in keeping the buildings smaller. Foster said under R -15 zoning we
planned to build a 1200 square foot affordable housing, Carriage House, and they
will receive a 600 square foot bonus for that; they have hired architects that show
the carriage house and the reconstructed duplex. The addition of the carriage
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house under R -15 accomplishes 3 very important goals: it mitigates for affordable
housing; it fulfills the 10% detached mass requirement and they get a 600 square
foot free - market bonus. Foster said if R -6 zoning is achieved there will be a net
reduction of 10 feet of FAR, in addition we have stipulated that the land would
carry a deed restriction for no carriage house and a deed restriction limiting
building height in the rear of the building. There are plans to build a detached
duplex with a minimum of 10 feet between the structures and this accomplishes
these goals: a reduction of 1810 square feet for the parcel, 25 feet of open space
between the neighbors house and shadow mountain, it fulfills the 10% detached
mass requirement and it brings the parcel permanently into conformity.
Foster distributed exhibits. Phelan said they were Exhibits M 1 -6. Forster
addressed the Young's letter and Jake Vickery's letter. Forster said that the
Young's have given the neighbors information based on their opinions and
interpretations of the code in a way that has swayed them to voice opposition to the
zoning change. In Exhibit 3B the 2 petitions that basically says is "opposition to
the increased development of 2 separate homes, the reduced front yard setback,
and increased impacts on the dead end alley and the Midland Trail ". From the
plans submitted under R -6 they would accomplish the following goals: it would
have the same side yard setbacks as R -15 but with less density and smaller
structures; it would have a significantly decreased impact on the Midland Trail. R-
6 would decrease the developmental impact of one large duplex and one carriage
house by creating 2 smaller structures and maintain a unified streetscape. R -6
rezoning actually supports all of the goals this petition wants to achieve.
LJ Erspamer asked if Ms. Foster would memorialize this. Suzanne Foster replied
yes, prior to going to City Council the attorney's would draft out a deed restriction.
Foster said the answer would be no. Erspamer asked who owned the alley right -of-
way. Foster replied the City owns it.
Public Comments:
1. Jake Vickery, architect, said he was working with the Young's. This issue
came through about a year ago with extensive public input, deliberation,
presentation of facts, and the board voted 6 -1 for denial to City Council.
Vickery said what has changed is that the applicant has done a lot of work
and come forward with very nice drawings and are encouraged by that and
would like to move this along to a positive. Vickery said the applicant is
gaining significant value by being able to do 2 detached units. Vickery said
they would like the applicant to increase the alley setback to 20 feet and add
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some landscaping. Vickery said there has to be some public benefit to do
the rezone.
2. Cheryl Goldenberg said they have a wonderful neighborhood and wanted to
support the Young's and if they think this is better but she said that she was
tired of developers coming into our neighborhood and wanting to change the
zoning. Cheryl Goldenberg said she didn't want any zoning changes.
3. Angela Young said she lived at 413 West Hopkins and just as a procedural
thing she was asked by 3 neighbors Scott Stewart, Rusty Scott and Tammie
Scott, they were not procedurally noticed and they would have been here
with their opposition had they been noticed. Angela Young said that it was
not the neighbor's responsibility to provide a more profitable development
project to Mrs. Foster. Young said the increased development with 2
separate construction times and the major concerns are the alley setback and
rear yard setback. Young said at the last City Council meeting Mayor
Ireland begged her to compromise with the neighbors and she was
unwavering in her refusal to do so.
4. Steve Goldenberg said it was very important that these sketches be
memorialized otherwise the zoning should remain.
5. Jody Edwards stated that he represented John Staten who couldn't be here
tonight. Edwards said it was denied last time because of unknowns; this
time you have some pretty pictures but you still have unknowns. The
borings have not been done to where there are steep slopes. There has never
been any public outreach with regards to the rezoning application. Edwards
read from the court order page 251 in the Weinerstube case. Edwards said
for those reasons we request you deny the application.
6. David Bentley said there is never 1 car per bedroom; this is the shadiest part
of town and the snow is hard to remove. Bentley said don't change the
zoning.
7. Peter Thomas said that he was counsel for the applicant Suzanne Foster; he
was encouraged by Mr. Vickery's comments. Thomas said that they will
have a reach out to the neighbors and it is important to understand that a site
specific development plan has no place in a rezoning. Thomas said your
discretion is constrained by what the code tells you have to consider and
what you have to consider is what Jennifer pointed out on page 11 and 12
the code standards; it talks about making sure this patchwork of zoning that
we have here is consistent and provides for orderly development with the
code. This is really a simple application to create conformity.
8. Tita McCarthy said that she lived across Third Street and asked Mr. True to
speak to this voluntary deed restriction. McCarthy asked if Mrs. Foster sold
the property would this deed restriction hold in perpetuity. Jim True replied
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that it was difficult to give legal opinions in this kind of context; staff does
not recommend the City's participation in this proposed deed restriction;
from a general standpoint an owner of a property can in perpetuity restrict
their own property to this type of action. True said it wasn't necessarily
appropriate to consider in a rezoning application.
9. Paul Young stated that he and his family lived at 401 East Hopkins directly
across the alley from Mrs. Foster's land. Young said after the last P &Z
meeting he felt like P &Z needed a better understanding as to why there is
opposition to a rezone to R -6; while he disagreed with some of the things
that he heard the R -15 was established to provide a buffer and a transition
zone between the R -6 and the Midland Trail and the Shadow Mountain. To
rezone the applicant's property is in direct conflict with the logic of our
founding fathers; in the R -15 block the applicant's property is the only one
that abuts the Midland Trail. Young suggested the setback to the alley and a
sidewalk in the alley to the Third Street as it pertains to Unit B since it has
an alley entrance.
Stan Gibbs closed the public comments section of the hearing and opened the
commissioner comments portion.
Bert Myrin said that he has gone back to the land use code 26.104.020 talks about
the purpose of the code. Myrin said his view was R -15 provides a transitional
buffer between the R -6 and the edge of Shadow Mountain. Myrin said that he
can't imagine trying to sell a property and have no idea what the zoning is going to
be around it or as a property owner not being able to rely on the zoning around it.
So he said he can't support the rezoning for those reasons.
LJ Erspamer said the presentation was very thorough and detailed. Erspamer said
that he was not in favor of changing the zoning however there may be some ideas
from the public; there is symmetry of the zoning however it is a difficult lot.
Erspamer asked Jim True if we can leave the zoning the same yet approve the
setbacks. Jim True replied that you couldn't because this was a rezoning
application; it is not a site specific development plan.
Michael Wampler said he looked at this as a common sense point of view; this was
a rezoning application. Wampler said that he had no problem with the zoning
change.
Stan Gibbs said that he voted no the last time but he believed this was an
appropriate zoning and he said that he believed to make lots conforming in the city.
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Gibbs said that he believed that R -6 would allow less development in the
neighborhood and less coverage and it was consistent with the neighborhood.
Gibbs said he didn't believe that it was part of a buffer area to the city; this
neighborhood is sufficiently mixed up that we could go one way or the other.
Gibbs said that he was going to vote for this rezoning. Gibbs said making
something conforming was a good principal to uphold.
MOTION: Michael Wampler moved to approve Resolution #008 -1 1
recommending the property commonly known as 217/291 South Third Street is
rezoned from R -15 to R -6; seconded by Stan Gibbs. Roll call vote: Myrin, no;
Erspamer, no; Wampler, yes; Gibbs, yes. No action 2 -2.
Discussion prior to the vote: Erspamer proposed an amendment to the setback.
Jim True responded that he did not think that was correct on a zoning change.
Erspamer summarized that he could vote and liked what the public said about the
20 foot setback and the Unit B side memorialized and the public outreach.
CONTINUED PUBLIC HEARING:
Aspen Walk 404 Park/414 Park Circle Final PUD
Stan Gibbs opened the continued public hearing on 404 Park 414 Park Circle.
MOTION: Bert Myrin moved to extend the meeting until 7:30; seconded by LJ
Erspamer. APPROVED 3 -1 (Wampler, no).
Sara Adams said this was the Aspen Walk Proposal for Park Avenue and 414 Park
Circle; P &Z is asked to make a recommendation to City Council on Subdivision,
final PUD Review. P &Z to review Growth Management Housing for free- market
and deed restrict units and Growth Management for the development of Affordable
and some Residential Design Standard Variances.
Adams said the applicant went back to the drawing board and redesigned the skin
of the buildings taking into account what P &Z mentioned in February; they have
proposed flat roofs, added a street facing entrance for the free- market building,
added where the entrance would be for the affordable housing building; added a
parking space in the sub -grade garage for an affordable housing unit. Adams said
French Balconies were added to all the affordable units and a detailed patio plan
located at the rear. The Housing Board wanted to change the Affordable housing
categories from 2 to 3; there is no change to the floor plans which means by
changing the categories the size of the units net livable would be 20% under the
requirement. Community Development is still concerned with the perceived mass
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and the treatment of the building continues to read as a lodge use rather than a
multi - family use and how that relates to the pedestrian scale. The lack of pathways
from sidewalk to street facing entrances and one story elements were things that
were required for multi - family buildings and aren't met in this proposal. Adams
read one of the design statements that it was important not to close off the use of
the front door of the house and living space; one story entryways provide an
appropriate domestic scale for a private residence. And recognizing this as multi-
family staff feels there could be a few more elements to comply with that purpose
statement. Adams pointed out that the garden level housing unit that faces the
street has windows and a sliding glass door but there is no walkway to the unit to
make the affordable housing building a little more pedestrian friendly, a little more
welcoming to meet that purpose statement in the design standards. The code
requirement is to provide 7 street orientated entrances; right now there are 4
proposed entrance all on the free - market building and staff thinks the applicant
could provide 2 more entrances one for the affordable housing and one for the free -
market building. Adams said that would have a huge positive impact on the
neighborhood, pedestrian scale, the streetscape and bring the project into closer
compliance with the design standards and PUD criteria.
Adams said the parking does exceed the code requirements but they want to know
where the accessible spaces were located. Council had included the electric cars in
the conceptual PUD but the Housing Board had an extensive discussion about the
electric cars and they were concerned about the burden on the HOA with
maintenance and how taking up 2 parking spaces would impact their HOA dues.
Staff is recommending the electric car provision be eliminated from the
Resolution.
Adams stated raising the Categories from 2 to 3 creates sub - standard size units that
the housing board can vary up to the 20% that the units are under. Staff was still
concerned about the substandard unit sizes and the limited outdoor space. They
think the applicant did a great job making the outdoor space seem much more
exciting and usable but there is still limited outdoor space and the statement does
not meet the AACP "that housing should emphasize quality construction and
design even though it increases cost and lessens production and the AACP policy
to promote a high quality of site planning and architecture to enhance the character
and charm of Aspen."
Adams said they recognize the benefit affordable housing provides to the
community and the benefit that APCHA sees in gaining some new housing units as
part of this development.
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Michael Wampler asked Sara to explain one story element. Adams responded that
it was essentially an architectural projection that is one story of height so you can
relate to it as a pedestrian.
Cliff Weiss said the units below grade and we talked about unit amenities and
other than storage we focused on light. Adams agreed they focused on light, unit
size, a space for this specific unit and access to the outdoors for this specific unit.
Myrin asked to explain the change in housing categories and how that impacts
changed and if they hadn't changed the categories would they meet the livability
standards. Adams said that Stan will explain that. Adams said the floor plans have
not changed for the Affordable Housing Building, just the categories.
Stan Clauson representing the applicant utilized power point and stated what you
were looking at in the center is this courtyard provided between units. Clauson
said the affordable and free - market units share so many of the same features
including the sub -grade units; they have worked with P &Z, APCHA and Council
very hard. Council asked them to consider the electric cars and then the
Transportation Department and APCHA who said that it might be a burden on the
Homeowners Association. Clauson said they were under the 32 foot height limit
and broke up the bulk and mass considerably and reduced the total development
size. They maintained the 25 bedrooms and 17.5 off site FTEs, the total
development almost 10,000 square feet less and the architecture was revised. The
Housing Authority recommended the onsite units be categories 3 and 4; APCHA
has experienced difficulties with Homeowners Associations as being able to afford
the maintenance, the underground garage and other aspects of the building would
lend itself more to a category 3 and 4 in terms of the homeowners association
being able to do the maintenance. Housing asked for all the offsite units to be
category 2 and none larger than 2 bedrooms. Clauson said they were prepared for
the offsite unit credits would be attributable to category 2, which would satisfy
what the housing authority has in mind.
Clauson said the French Balconies add tremendous light and ventilation for the
affordable housing units. Clauson said for the Free - Market and Affordable the
sub -grade was 2 to 3 feet and as the units go around the building the garden level
drops away.
Clauson said the elevators were setback 15 feet and they have tried to create
entrances that both meet the street. Looking at the units the second and third floors
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were the same in each building. Clauson said the units were quite livable; the
studios were 500 square feet. Tom Salmon was present from Minneapolis.
Tom Salmon said the overriding theme was the private partnership with APCHA
and when they came into the project was the ability to partner with APCHA and do
something that allows this project to be a little different. Salmon said this project
addressed one of the bigger needs of the community of bringing on line new
affordable housing and taking a property that the housing authority has been
redeveloped.
Public Comment:
1. Cindy Houben, Sarah Garton and Judy Kohlberg were all with the Midland
Park Homeowners. Cindy Houben said there was still work to be done with
the landscaping and voiced concern about light because they keep their area
pretty dark because they feel the night sky is important.
2. Sara Garton asked if the Elevator and stairwells would be lit all the time.
Tom Salmon replied no they were planning on energy efficiency with
motion detectors. Cindy Houben said quite frankly they might be worse
going on and off all the time.
Tom McCabe said they love the trees but trees inappropriately used can have a
detrimental effect on the concrete and so the homeowners association has to go
back in x number of years and make repairs to the damage done. McCabe said
there was a well delineated streetscape. The parking garage adds to the expense
that was why they were using category 2 for the offsite Employee units.
Erspamer asked if they have already purchase the offsite credits. Clauson replied
no. Erspamer asked if Club Purchasers could own free- market units; we can't
dictate how people take ownership of properties, State Law. Erspamer said
vacation clubs could purchase one. Erspamer asked Jennifer if there was a code
for rooftop decks in the residential area. Jennifer Phelan replied there was no
limitation on rooftop decks. Erspamer asked if there was a time limit of when
somebody could be on that deck. Clauson replied no. Erspamer said he was sure
that the homeowners will do something. Clauson said it would probably be after
the homeowners form their HOA. Erspamer asked how many street parking places
are you removing now because of this project. Clauson replied it was hard to say
because all of the parking places are head in spaces and privatized; they are not
legally privatized. Erspamer asked if there would be any guest parking.
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Stan Gibbs asked how many affordable housing units were actually getting into
this project now, onsite and offsite, the number of FTEs. Clauson replied you are
getting 31.5 FTEs onsite, the code didn't measure by FTEs, and you are getting 25
bedrooms in the 12,000 square feet onsite. Clauson said offsite you are getting
17.5 FTEs, the Housing Board has asked that they be no larger than 2 bedroom
units, which would be 8 to 11 units off site.
MOTION: LJErspamer move to extend the meeting to 7:40 pm seconded by
Michael Wampler. All in favor.
Weiss said we have to continue the meeting to another date. Jennifer Phelan
replied the date would be April 5 but the Lift One would take the first hour.
Gibbs said that he was confused about changing a unit category but the unit size
doesn't change. Tom McCabe used Burlingame as an example of units being
identical but the categories would vary considerable.
Weiss said he saw a lot of revised unit categories to 4 where are the 3s. Clauson
replied there are no 3s. Weiss asked if the 3s were offsite. Clauson replied those
were 2s offsite. Tom McCabe said that APCHA's partners were working towards
a new signed APCHA agreement; they meet tomorrow night. Weiss asked to go to
the north or west elevation and seeing those elevator towers it looks like a 4 story
building. Weiss said that in all the 3 story affordable housing buildings we have
there are no elevators. McCabe said that elevators were not required at that time;
now the code requires elevators. Adams said that the reason the elevators in the
free - market building were so much taller than the affordable housing building was
because there was rooftop access that these elevators are providing in addition to
the stairway corridors. Adams said the affordable housing building had a 4 to 5
foot over run required for elevators. Erspamer said if you didn't have rooftop
access you wouldn't need those elevators. Weiss asked how high the affordable
building was at the Tailings side. Weiss said that he was concerned about the light
in the patio units and the elevators still bother him. Weiss said he can't live with
the idea that second homeowners need 2 parking places; the people who live here
year round need more. Weiss said that he was still uneasy with this project; yes it
has a lot of public benefit and yes you are moving in the right direction but the big
issues are still the big issues.
Myrin said as the buildings get larger and larger lot line to lot line, it seems the
impacts on neighbors get greater; we need to be aware of the high efficiency
furnaces that pump out a high pitched sound right at the property line. Myrin said
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the mechanical, the lighting and the outside spillover; if you have no yard does the
yard become the neighbor's yard. Myrin would support staff's recommendation to
come back with staff recommendations.
Gibbs echoed a lot of his fellow commissioner concerns and it was appropriate to
continue this hearing. Gibbs said the main thing that still bothers him about this
project is the mass; even though the neighborhood has some big building he would
agree with Sara that the building reads a little too much like a lodge. Gibbs
reiterated that this building would seem better to place downtown in the lodge
neighborhood rather than this neighborhood. Gibbs said the elevator on top could
be lowered.
MOTION: LJErspamer moved to continue the public hearing on Aspen Walk to
April 5 Michael Wampler seconded. All in favor.
Adjourned at 7:40 pm.
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