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HomeMy WebLinkAboutminutes.apz.aazp.20110426 JOINT MEETING OF ASPEN AND PITKIN COUNTY ZONING COMMISSIONS - MINUTES OF APRIL 26, 2011 Chairperson, Stan Gibbs called the meeting to order at 5:00 p.m. Commissioners in attendance: LJ Erspamer, Jim DeFrancia, Cliff Weiss and Michael Wampler. Excused were Jasmine Tygre and Bert Myrin. County — Marcella Larson, Mirte Malory, Jay Murphy, Monty Thompson and Joe Krabacher. Staff present: Jim True, Special Counsel Reed Patterson, Municipal Court Clerk Stan relayed that the meeting is a joint meeting with the county to discuss the AACP. Agenda — Aspen Idea - If time go into more chapters, growth management. Jessica added the public comments into the record. Chuck Frias, Junee Kirk, Steve Hanson, John Howard and the comments from the ACRA luncheon. Public comment: Steve Falendar, The growth management section regarding the 100% employee housing mitigation requirement. To me it is not a growth issue it is a question of what is the purpose of the AACP and what it is supposed to reflect in the community. As I read it, it is supposed to reflect the community vision for the future a document that you used based on community senses. In regard to 100% mitigation that issue was raised in all the meetings. There simply was no census that 100% mitigation was desirable. If the city and P &Z want to have 100% mitigation there are quite clear steps that the P &Z and council can go through to adopt changes to the ordinances. The question about mitigation did not receive significant support and it shouldn't be in the community plan. I feel the same way about moderate and economy priced lodging. The same questions were asked and the same results occurred which were no consensus. Warren Klug, manager of Aspen Square and chairman of the ACRA board. At the board meeting they passed a resolution asking the AACP group to look at two things: revising the 2007 -2008 economic study. Entry level and economy moderate lodging study should be compared to the mitigation requirements such as 100% housing and the desire to see mass and scale that is appropriate to the neighborhood. It is also economically impossible to have moderate and economy lodging with those kinds of mitigation costs. 1 JOINT MEETING OF ASPEN AND PITKIN COUNTY ZONING COMMISSIONS - MINUTES OF APRIL 26, 2011 That needs to be studied and we urge that to take place. We want to make sure that properties can be updated and renovated as need be because the market place expectations changed. We will pass on the resolution for the records. Do we really want to be at 100% housing and what do we mean by economy and moderate lodging. David Gorbin - I would like to emphasize that we should not look back to the original intent of the Aspen Idea. We need to think of what the Aspen Idea means to us today and what it should be looking forward. We should try to actualize it and there are no references to land use implications with respect to the Aspen Idea. We should have a bullet and have a subsection in the plan to support, encourage and promote community infill structure activities and land uses that sustain or actualize the Aspen Idea. With respect to the managing growth I have had some problems with the economic sections. We should perhaps elaborate on the economic goals that we would hope to see achieved or would be promoted. Sustaining our tourist based economy lets describe some of the goals and how land use further those goals. We need establish an aspirational goal. We should have several goals that are explicit such as maintaining our market and guest visitation in the face of changing demographics or surrounding economy. With respect to the lodging I would echo Warren's comments that 100% affordable housing for lodges on -site is probably infeasible. I would ask you to reconsider that. Rob Ittner said he has conversed with several P &Z commissioners and they would like this document to have teeth and they want it to mean something and have strength to it. Rob suggested adding that it may or may not be implemented as part of our vision. If they are in the code each item should be vetted individually with public comments. The language in my opinion has way too much teeth. Jackie Kasaback said how far along the Planning Departments 3D model is in terms of being usable. Jackie commented that the ADU program is a failure. One of the most common things I hear about Aspen is the parking situation and we do have to take into consideration our guests. Adam Fortiea addressed the economic study and the ACRA is willing to partner with the City on the costs or to hire an independent consultant. 2 JOINT MEETING OF ASPEN AND PITKIN COUNTY ZONING COMMISSIONS - MINUTES OF APRIL 26, 2011 Helen Klanderud represented the ACRA and agreed that some of the actions plans should be looked at as to whether they are feasible or not. Is this a regulatory or aspirational vision statement. The 100% mitigation cannot be achieved. David Corbin's idea of looking forward is in the context and we can look at that today and decide what today makes sense in going forward. In the introduction, missing is skiing and our cultural development and we need to continue that and emphasize that in the introduction. Biking was referenced before skiing and basically we are a ski resort. There is a section page 10 about past accomplishments and why is that in there and the list is arbitrary and backward looking not forward looking. Regarding the parking RFTA is not mentioned and we have the second largest mass transit in the State of Colo. and we have a developing airport. There is also nothing mentioned about the 200 plan and we need continuity in the plan. Scott Rider said he is chairman of the ARC advisory board and they thought big and recommended a dormitory facility that would create lower cost lodging during events. We have also heard about the subsidy and the dormitory would reduce that. SPARC raised 7'h million to building the rink and the common area in the REC center. On the housing section the board has done good work. I don't see anything in the document that asks for more diversity. Beth Hoffblackman said what happens in this valley means a lot to me. Most of the changes from the 60's here have been to the positive. My hope is that it continues to go that way. My biggest concern is the balance of construction and my fear is that the 100% mitigation will make it impossible for there to be growth. Stan thanked the public for their comments and stated that public comments will be taken at every meeting. Mirte stated that this is the first time we are all collectively looking at this document. Stan said we can't finalize the chapters until after all the changes are made. Stan asked the board members if the format of the document was acceptable. Cliff said when the original drafts were written it was a grid with policies and action items. Going back and forth in the book I find distracting. 3 JOINT MEETING OF ASPEN AND PITKIN COUNTY ZONING COMMISSIONS - MINUTES OF APRIL 26, 2011 LJ Erspamer said he supports Cliff's statement. I struggled reading this document. I would like to see the action items moved closer to the policy items. Marcella said the plan should stand alone on policies without the action items. Stan said he likes the format. Joe agreed putting them together puts too much emphasis on the action items and that has been a consistent objection that we have heard from the community. Mirta said the term action in our country seems to be fearful. Maybe use the terminology of implementation ideas. Both boards agreed that the terminology should be changed from action items to implementation ideas or recommendations. Joe said are we going to go through the plan then circle back and do the action items. Stan said reviewing the action items at the end seemed appropriate. Both boards agreed to review the action items after all the chapters are reviewed. Aspen Idea Chapter Mirte commented that the section of mind, body and spirit is important and should be brought in more clearly in this philosophy. All the references are to arts and culture and not to the Aspen Idea of mind body and spirit. LJ Erspamer said the chapter should be shorter. Does this chapter meet the forward idea that David Corbin mentioned. Cliff asked if the Aspen Idea really changed. It is a philosophy and I don't think it has changed. 4 JOINT MEETING OF ASPEN AND PITKIN COUNTY ZONING COMMISSIONS - MINUTES OF APRIL 26, 2011 Marcella said if we go back to the original Aspen Idea that is one course and if it is this new draft I have comments. Jessica said in the new draft we brought in working together and having collaboration and strengthening the visitor base economy. We also wanted to incorporate history. Chris Bendon said the overall concept was how do we provide reference to the Aspen Idea that is not just referring to historical context. LJ Erspamer recommended that paragraph 5 be last. Cliff commented that there is a whole lot of content that doesn't apply to mind, body and spirit. Mirte commented that if we are talking about moving forward, the Aspen Idea is our foundation which is a synergy of mind, body and spirit and in that iteration today it means collaboration between public, private, cultural and educational entities. If we lay that foundation first and the rest of the chapters will be a continuation of the collaboration. It is really important what differentiates us as a town. Marcella suggested using the old language and go forward from there. Jay said the Aspen Idea is something the community has recognized as value. LJ Erspamer said the new document flows much better than the old. Jessica suggested the boards us the new draft and incorporate from the old plan what is needed for the new plan. The new plan flows better and is clearer. Monty Thompson commented that every time we go backwards we are not going to get through the chapter. We can add to the chapter and get it done. Cliff said the Aspen Idea is also about balance and how we interact and I don't see that in this document. 5 JOINT MEETING OF ASPEN AND PITKIN COUNTY ZONING COMMISSIONS - MINUTES OF APRIL 26, 2011 Stan stated that the boards will stay with the current revision. Stan asked if there are any points that need added in this revision that were in the last draft. Jessica needs to know what the changes are for the draft. Marcella said in the vision the original intent should be added. Delete the sixth and seventh paragraph and amend the last sentence of paragraph five and add the stratification issue in the last paragraph. Cliff said we need to balance also as a community and that should be added. There is another kind of built environment that has to deal with Aspen and that is trails, sports facilities. Jay said he would like to see balance and individual completeness. Joe said the Aspen Idea talks about mind, body and spirit as being a balance and a holistic person and how does that then relate to the place, i.e. Aspen. Both boards agreed that the physical environment should be included. Stan suggested having examples in all the different chapters. Jessica commented in terms of arts and culture we are a year round community. Chris said buildings can either support or sustain the Aspen Idea or they can be an obstacle. Monty Thompson commented that having expenditures is good because it show the balance between the summer and winter. Marcella said developing new facilities should be included instead of essential public facilities. Chris said the Aspen Idea is a basic understanding of our community. Marcella said it is also essential to our local and visitor community. Cliff said regarding policies David Corbin's statement; support encourage and promote community infill structure activities and land uses that enable and actualize and sustain the Aspen Idea means a lot. 6 JOINT MEETING OF ASPEN AND PITKIN COUNTY ZONING COMMISSIONS - MINUTES OF APRIL 26, 2011 Marcella said 2.1 speaks about what the facilities do. Jessica said perhaps rewording the policy to focus more on educating the community about the Aspen Idea. Mirte said if we can bring certain words from the action items into this new policy as Jessica suggested we can also then reduce the number of action items. Stan said we want to aid in encouraging people to participate in the Aspen Idea. Mirte said she is proposing David Corbin's language be added to policy 1.4. Mirte said the policies are educate, collaborate, and encourage participation. Do you we need a fourth one along the idea of encouraging and promoting community activities. Marcella said support and encourage community infill structure and activities that enable actualize and sustaining the Aspen Idea. Mirte suggested adding support and encourage community infill structure both social and physical that actualize and sustain the Aspen Idea. Jessica reiterated support and encourage activities and community infill structures both social and physical that enable and sustain the Aspen Idea. Marcella said she look at all the bullet items and the majority of them are important. Cliff brought up the school district. LJ Erspamer explained that the outdoor program is phenomenal. Joe said the school district is a resource for the community. Jessica asked if everyone was on board with adding references to education in general and the environment. All agreed. 7 JOINT MEETING OF ASPEN AND PITKIN COUNTY ZONING COMMISSIONS - MINUTES OF APRIL 26, 2011 Stan said we will see a final draft at the next meeting. Jay Murphy suggested a change on the acknowledgement page. We say prepared with the assistance from everyone involved and I would suggest "on behalf of the citizens of Pitkin County this community plan is drafted by" in place of prepared with assistance from and include the City of Aspen. Mirte said the format of this plan is not conducive to an economic study and we need to get that out to the public. Cliff said we need to address mitigation in a separate meeting. Joe said the economic study part of the rationale to the 100% mitigation. The plan should stand on its own regardless of what the economics are. This is our vision of where we want to go. MOTION: Stan moved to continue the meeting until May 10` second by Cliff. All in favor, motion carried. MOTION: Joe moved to continue the meeting until May 10` second by Marcella. All in favor, motion carried. Meeting adjourned at 7:00 p.m. 7 A •'fr A•r athleen Strickland, C e of Deputy Clerk 8