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REGULAR MEETING COMMERCIAL CORE & LODGING COMMISSION MARCH 20, 2019
Chairperson Jeb Ball opened the meeting at 8:30 a.m.
Commissioners in attendance: Jeb Ball, Bill Dinsmoor, Angi Wang, Steve Fanti, Amanda Tanaka, Terry
Butler, Kiki Raj. Absent was Charles Cunniffe.
Staff present:
Nicole Henning, Deputy City Clerk
Mitch Osur, Parking Services Director
CJ Oliver, Director of Environmental Health and Sustainability
Other attendees: Kathy Strickland, Market Manager and Councilman Ward Hauenstein.
MOTION: Mr. Dinsmoor moved to approve the minutes for 12/5, 1/16, 1/23, 1/31, 2/6 and 2/20, Ms.
Wang seconded. All in favor, motion carried.
PUBLIC COMMENT: None.
COMMISSIONER COMMENTS: None.
PRESENTATION: Rio Grande Recycle Center
CJ Oliver
Mr. Oliver informed the board that the county will no longer fund the operations at the recycle center
and said there is a new ordinance that passed which provides county wide curbside recycling and is
included in the base rate of trash service.
Ms. Tanaka entered the meeting.
Mr. Oliver said the city has some decisions to make as to whether the recycle center will stay open or
not and would like to get feedback from the folks who use this service.
Terry Butler entered the meeting.
Mr. Oliver said the big thing is to hear from users and the community at large.
Mr. Hauenstein said that this issue came to council. There are a number of factors working against us
and we lose money on recycling. China is no longer taking recycling from us anymore. There are
currently trucks that take our recycling to Denver. The largest gain can be made from composting. He
thinks the city should continue funding this. Plastic doesn’t disintegrate, but there are some types
which are biodegradable. He feels that CCLC should focus on promoting composting. The more people
recycle, the more you’re costing the city.
Ms. Raj entered the meeting.
SATURDAY MARKET UPDATE:
Kathy Strickland
Ms. Strickland said she’s been working hard to get a meat person in and that T Lazy 7 is coming to the
table. She got the contract with them last night and they will be doing Kobe meat. Ms. Tanaka said she
also sent the barber in Ms. Strickland’s direction and that he has pigs.
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Ms. Strickland said the nonprofit booth is filling up and suggested having more criteria on this in the
future. She would like to do only local nonprofits. She said that Wind Walkers is in, Aspen Science,
Shining Stars, a Tibetan local and a new one; Aspen Flight Academy. They will be under the aqua tent
and will eliminate some music. She said it is best if they all use our tent, and everyone knows the
location on Hyman and Hunter. We did get a different tent this year for special events like the knife
sharpener. We should advertise what these new special things will be. She said the St. Regis chef will
demonstrate and there will be free art classes, etc. There are a couple of students who want to come in
and work with the animal shelter and do sketches of dogs. The knife guy will not be an every Saturday
thing. Ms. Strickland said this is the difference from other markets and that we need to up our ante.
NPR did a story on farmers markets and how a lot of them are failing because they are oversaturated
with stuff and tchotchke. We are a different niche, and have some special vendors come in. Mr. Ball
agreed and said t’s a risk we can underwrite.
Ms. Strickland notified the board that Jim True and Mr. Ball met regarding Mary Catherine and the
consensus was to let her in the market. She said that Mr. True is classifying her as a store front. She
was the only 2nd tier space who applied the city wants to eliminate potential problems since she did
apply this year. Ms. Wang noted that Mary Catherine has a pop up on Hyman in the Hub space for one
month. Mr. Ball said that her attorney, Chris Bryan, had already called Mr. True and they had started
stirring the cauldron regarding a lawsuit. Mr. True asked how many other second tiers had applied and
obviously we had no others. He said they were going to sue and get in front of city council. It’s highly
annoying and she has the most aggressive lawyer in town.
Ms. Dinsmoor said this all leads him to think that any effort we pursue to eliminate all stores is not ever
going to work. Mr. Ball agreed and said that if he’s a retailer, he’s going to fight this extensively. He said
that we’re ok right now, but we need some guidelines moving forward.
Mr. Dinsmoor said that at some point, we need to confront this and decide what this market is about.
Ms. Strickland said that she is opposed to the political booths, but she’s been told by the mayor and Mr.
True to let them in. Mr. Ball said there seems to be a lot of energy around this matter, so maybe we
should have Mr. True come to a future meeting to discuss these issues.
Ms. Strickland said she will send Ms. Henning her ideas for a new policy to take to council and noted
that there are no political booths this summer.
She said she is also going to meet with David Powers to discuss where to put Mary Catherine.
Ms. Raj asked about consequences if Mary Catherine doesn’t comply. Mr. Osur said we would have to
follow the policy and write her up. Ms. Strickland said it’s two strikes and you’re out.
Mr. Osur suggested that CCLC go for a walk in June to check out the spaces and see if they want to make
any changes. We would have to have a public hearing to change the street if that is what you decide.
COMMERCIAL MARKET UPDATE:
Angi Wang
Ms. Wang said that commercial spaces are on trend for being stable in the market. Land use codes
changed in 2017 and unquestionably made new development more expensive and there is almost no
vacancy in prime areas. As for the Core building, there are second floor office spaces available since the
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special event space was denied. The penthouse people fought against it because they do not want any
noise or smells. Ms. Wang gave an update on new construction for 2019. She said during the crystal
palace construction, we will lose 40 parking spaces due to the historic nature.
Regarding development, Mr. Dinsmoor said ultimately, this ends badly. Every building is more and more
expensive, and they are not mitigating for housing.
Ms. Strickland had one last item regarding Isberian Rug. They asked her to check in with the board
regarding RSP IPSA selling similar stuff and they want the board to make a decision if that is fair or not.
Ms. Wang said that RSP IPSA sells hand woven items, miscellaneous accessories, bags, etc. and nothing
that would compete with Isberian. The board agreed they are staying out of it.
MOTION: Mr. Ball motioned to adjourn, Mr. Dinsmoor seconded. All in favor, motion carried.
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Nicole Henning, Deputy City Clerk