HomeMy WebLinkAboutminutes.apz.19840904 RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS
Regular Meeting Planning and Zoning Commission September 4, 1984
Chairman Perry Harvey called the meeting to order at 5: 05 p.m. with
commissioners Jasmine Tygre, Pat Fallin, Lee Pardee , David White,
and Roger Hunt present.
COMMISSIONERS' COMMENTS
No comments.
MINUTES
July 17, 1984: Roger Hunt moved to approve the minutes of July
17 , 1984, with the following corrections:
1 . Page one, reverse the last two paragraphs for the sake
of clarity.
2. Page three , paragraph four, lines two and three, add
"3,240 square feet might be allowed per lot for a total
square footage of 19,440 square feet. "
3 . Page fourteen, paragraph three, line three, change the
word "so" to "said" : "purpose served by said ordinance. . . "
4. Page eighteen, correct the spelling of "Shapery. "
The motion is seconded by Jasmine Tygre. All in favor ; motion
carried.
SPA CODE AMENDMENTS, CONTINUED PUBLIC HEARING
Harvey opened the continued public hearing.
Harvey requested the changes in the resolution be highlighted.
Alan Richman, planning office, outlined the changes.
Page three, there are minor word changes to (c) and (e) : variations
being allowed and variations being opposed.
Page six, in the "be it finally resolved" there are substantive
changes. Little Nell is removed from the list of lots that
are to be removed from the SPA. He included the first note
which speaks to the intent of Castle Ridge. Castle Ridge is clearly
not being upzoned.
Harvey asked if this note goes anywhere else but here . Richman
said it is the intent to carry this forward to a City Council ordi-
nance. The Commission is recommending this to City Council and
Council will sponsor a class action rezoning with these comments
back to the Commission. Harvey asked when the land is rezoned
will there be an asterick and footnote on the zoning map .
Richman replied there could be a footnote. There are parcels with
that exact designation. New maps have notes . The notes say
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see ordinance "y" as to the parcel ' s intent . This was done in
the rezoning of the lots at the base of the mountain. There
was a concern the owner was receiving upzoning. But a FAR
limitation was imposed with a note on the rezoning ordinance map.
Hunt asked if the footnote shows up on the title search. That is
where it should show up. What mechanism is there to get that
accomplished? Richman did not know what is entailed in the
search by the title company and how that shows up. Gideon Kaufman
remarked title companies can only look something up if it is
on a deed or document record. If it is not recorded the title
companies will not search it out. Hunt said this needs to be
done . Kaufman suggested require the resolution be put in the
record. Then the title companies can pick up a documented
record. Thev do not pick up zoning maps.
Hunt is worried about the Castle Ridge property. If that property
turns over how is the new owner made aware of that restriction.
The adjacent property owner who may want to be zoned R/MF will
pick up the note on the zoning map. How is the restriction
indicated to a future buyer? Harvey said if the note is located
on the zoning map then anyone checking the zoning map will see the
note and will have to refer to the ordinance. Kaufman said the
zoning map is the public record. When the note does not appear
on the map then there is a problem. Richman noted that zoning
maps are reviewed annually.
Harvey asked if there should be a reference in the resolution
that the Commission wants the note of intent put on the zoning
map. This will help trace the note.
Hunt directed his question to Kaufman. What happens when a new
purchaser of Castle Ridge is not aware that the property is
buildout to the maximum? Kaufman said if this information is on
the zoning map then there is not a problem. when there is a
problem, like the Shapery situation, the zoning map shows nothing.
The city' s response is an owner should have known that was the
city' s intent. That is a real problem. There is no such thing
as "you should have known. " If the information is on a zoning
map or on some public record that someone can easily fine then
there is no problem. The deletion creates the problem.
(Pardee arrives in the Chambers. )
Richman said on page six, the paragraph preceding the statement
of intent for the institute , "two remaining sites" should be
changed to "three. remaining sites ; " and there should be the
addition of "the Institute , Little Nell , and Rio Grande. . . "
The only changes made to the institute language is the liberal
addition of the word "residential. " Harvey also noted the inclusion
of "uses on or contemplated for. " Joe Wells, representative for
Commerce Savings, agreed with this language .
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Hunt remarked that restaurant is referred to as a whole entity.
Historically the restaurant has been an accessory use to the
lodging accommodations even though everyone uses the restaurant.
Harvey responded the restaurant is advertised in the newspaper
for the public. Richman said the restaurant in the Fireside
Lodge is an accessory use. That is not the case with the Meadows.
Hunt reiterated the restaurant is in the administration building
for the lodge. Is a free standing restaurant being considered
there? Harvey reminded the Commission that this is only a
statement of what has occurred on the property; it is a record of
facts. It indicates that no zone covers all the uses. What is
the difference if the restaurant is free standing or incorporated
in another building? That particular restaurant has worked.
White asked what the academic nature includes . What is the
opportunity for more academic use? Remember Paepcke wanted to
build a university. Does the academic designation preclude an
allowed size? Richman said the Commission is not developing the
property. The Commission is establishing parameters within which
to plan. The Commission is not programming the property.
White asked if the Commission can participate in the planning of
the SPA parcels. The city does not manage its property well .
Richman said it is one thing to address public property and
another to address private developments. The Commission can
identify the appropriate uses for a private development, that is
the purpose of zoning. But the Commission cannot plan the
property. Harvey said a purpose of the SPA designation is to
let the city work with the developer at the time a plan is
submitted. The SPA provides more latitude for the city. White
said Council does not work with a developer in the same breadth
as the Commission does. The Council can close off opportunities.
Richman noted the Little Nell paragraph is all new. Harvey said
the intent indicates it is a critical piece of land because of
the skier access and the orientation of the mountain to the
town . Include in the historic section the importance of the
view. There is a unique feel created by that area coming right
into town. The viewplane from the town is great and important.
White asked about lift 1-A. Richman said lift 1-A is not in the
same kind of single ownership pattern as Little Nell. Lift 1-A
is certainly not under total ski company ownership. Peter Forsch,
director of housing and transportation for the Aspen Ski Company,
said the land below the bottom of the lift and from the turn
around up is either owned or leased by the ski company. The
reason the lift does not go further down the mountain is the
hodgepodge character of the ownership.
Harvey noted residential is included as a use or as a contemplated
use. The other uses fall within commercial core designation, the
residential use does not. Is there incongruity with the statement
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on commercial core and with the statement on residential? The
statement "uses on the property or contemplated for the property"
is a qualifier. Richman said residential use is a principal use
for the SPA. Residential may be a viable use of the property that
does not fit into any zone which makes sense in the area. Harvey
asked if there is still L-1 and L-2 zone designation. He thought
the two zones were merged. Richman explained the work was done for
the merge but Council never passed it.
Kaufman noted that Richman did a good job identifying the reasons
behind a SPA designation. The flexibility of the SPA is men-
tioned as necessary. Include in the statement that it is not
inappropriate to extend the SPA to some definitive point. The
Commission discussed this at the last meeting. Remember the
Commission identified the problem with designating the entire
parcel SPA. The boundaries were not clear. The Commission was in
agreement that there might be some area, part of the flat conser-
vation area for example, where it might be appropriate to extend
the SPA. The language might reflect that it may be appropriate
at the time the ski company comes forward with a plan to designate
other parts of that parcel SPA. Richman did not express problems
with that. Harvey suggested language in the statement of intent
that the critical nature of this piece of property may well
require at some point the extension of the SPA designation
over other pieces of the property. Hunt suggested the words "the
adjustment of the present limitations. "
Tygre asked why not extend SPA when the Commission is approached
with that request. Bil Dunaway, publisher for the Aspen Times,
said the extension should be given on its own merits. Why put
that language in? Kaufman reasoned the language is good discussion
mechanism.
Pardee did not think that language was necessary. There is
another portion that indicates that all adjoining owners have to
participate . It is implied that SPA can be expanded at any
time. Harvey corrected Pardee. The reference is to all the owners
within the SPA designation not the owners adjacent to the SPA
designation.
Harvey said the extension will only occur on the commercial
core. A precedent may be set. When Little Nell is considered a
SPA designation may be considered desirable on more than just the
cc portion of the property, for example, on the L-1 or on the flat
portion of the conservation zone. Flexibility may be needed to
create a plan that works.
Kaufman did not ask for a recommendation. Just leave the door open.
He does not want this to be used against the Aspen Ski Company
but for the ski company. Harvey said there is nothing implicitly
negative in the language about extending the SPA. Now the ski
company is on neutral ground. Kaufman said the concern is the
opposition from neighbors. This will be controversial. He wants
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language indicating that nothing is intended to preclude the
extension of the SPA. Fallin argued if that language is included
then all those neighbors will be back in here . The purpose of
amending the SPA would be defeated. Leave the language as is.
Tygre agreed with Fallin. Hunt suggested including the language
"the adjustment of lines of existing sites" in the procedures for
designation of sites.
Pardee asked if a landowner or a group of 1-andowners can come in
and ask for special treatment on a parcel that is sensitive,
historical, etc. The parcel may warrant special treatment and the
most special treatment the city can give is SPA. Hunt said spell
this out. Kaufman agreed with Hunt.
The Commission agreed with Richman ' s wording in the procedure
for designation : "parcels of land may be designated or the
boundaries of an adopted SPA may be adjusted. " Kaufman agreed.
Fie also commented that Little dell is therefore not being targeted.
Kaufman commented on 24-7 .3 (e) , page three : "however any such
applications shall not be permitted to obtain variations from
the use requirements of the underlying zone district unless the
site shall also be designated with an SPA overlay. " He does not
understand that statement. Richman explained if a parcel is
designated SPA on the map, then the parcels are allowed to have
their uses and density varied . For parcels in the public,
academic, or park zone, the area and bulk requirements chart says
the area and bulk is set by SPA plan. The uses cannot be varied
without a SPA overlay.
Kaufman said Richman' s explanation clarified the statement. Wells
stated that neither Doremus nor he read that overtone. Dunaway
said it is clear to him that there needs to be a SPA overlay desig-
nation to change the use. Richman agreed. Kaufman said section
24-7 .3 is called variations permitted within a SPA overlay. Why
would one even apply to vary uses if one did not have a SPA?
Kaufman suggested the language that area and bulk requirements be
set specifically by SPA for those three zones (public, park ,
academic) . List those three zones. Richman asked what happens
in the future if more parcels are designated with a SPA. Harvey
asked if Richman wants one to think that academic zone without
the SPA overlay can have its uses varied as the area and bulk is
determined through the SPA process. One does not have the right
to vary the uses under the SPA process if there is no SPA desig-
nation attached to academic. tells said it is clearly referenced
in the chart that area and bulk are established by the SPA plan.
Harvey reiterated that the phrase "SPA boundaries can be adjusted"
will be located in Section 24-7 .2 (a) .
The discussion returns to item "e. " Hunt suggested clarifying the
last sentence : "however , any such application shall not be
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permitted to obtain variation, :;:Ll the use :_ `ii of tyre
underlying zone district unless the SPA designation so allows. "
It is within the SPA designation that allows the variation of
use. It is not simply allowed in public zone. Richman emphasized
there has to be a SPA overlay. Public zone alone has no overlay.
Park zone alone has no overlay. Harvey said it is already clear
that use cannot be changed without a SPA overlay. Richman noted
that SPA is identified on the bottom of page five: "SPA specially
planned area overlay. " That is how it is identified on the zoning
district map. There is always a zone under the SPA. That is
required in an earlier portion by definition, for example, in 24-
7 .2 (b) , "site shall be designated with a SPA overlay and with an
underlying zone. " Hunt said it is still confusing.
Kaufman suggested language "for which the area and bulk requirements
are required. " Richman said he wrote the statement before, but
it was struck down . Richman added again "for which the area
and bulk requirements are required to be set by adoption, " 24-
7 .3 (e) . Harvey said he does not see a problem. It states for
those zone districts that are listed in that section. The area
and bulk requirements are to be set by adoption of a plan. Those
applications have to follow the procedures. It also states that
those applications will not be permitted to obtain variances for
the use requirements of the underlying zone unless the site has a
SPA overlay. Wells said the confusion is created because the
section refers to a section in the code. Reference to a section
in the code creates confusion.
Harvey asked if the commissioners have any problems. Hunt
suggested eliminate the word SPA before the word overlay.
Richman argued there are far too many overlay designations,
transportation, PUD, drainage , etc. white said he wants to
fight until the section is completely understood. Someone else
will not understand the statement. Harvey reasoned if someone
refers to that section in the code they will. Harvey suggested
naming the three zones : "applications for development in the
three zones , public , academic , and park , or any other zone
district listed. " That covers future zones that might be listed
in the chart.
Kaufman addressed section 24-7 . 5 (d) : density reduction for
slope. Why is the statement in there? The code only allows
that for a mandatory PUD. One of the parcels may not be a mandatory
PUD. Richman explained to have a PUD is redundant with a SPA
overlay. That is the only requirement of PUD that is maintained.
Pardee questioned (d) . SPA is so infrequently imposed as an
overlay that it makes no sense to restrict the SPA with one
thing. The process determines the restriction. Richman said
this statement provides a base line to start from. The statement
does not preclude a FAR above that. The intent is that the
underlying zone is technically reduced by "y" but with the
SPA it can be varied. Kaufman agreed with Pardee. Harvey said
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this is a requirement for submission. Pardee argued if the
density is designated as "x" in instead of "2x" to start with
then the parcel is not given the most open review that SPA
requires . There is always the chance to look at steepness.
Harvey said if the slope degree is not determined then it will be
up to the Commission to figure from a topo map the slope. Pardee
agreed the slope degree should be identified, but not the density.
The applicant should not be required to start with a reduction
based on the slope degree. Do not start the process with a
limited density or limited anything. The starting point is the
submission' s identification of the slope degree. Do not conclude
from that there is reduced density. The Commission wants the
information available. Flake it clear that it may be calculated
for discussion purposes, but that calculation is not the starting
density. Richman suggested change "reduced" to "calculated. "
Harvey commented on item "c" . The zone district is specified:
regulations which are to apply to the parcel by designating the
appropriate underlying zone (s) for the development and specifying
any variation requested from the standards of the district (s ) .
That will also be required for slope density.
Pardee protested the phrase "shall have their density reduced. "
Use the language "this would be the calculated density to take
into account. " Use the language similar to "c".
Vlells reasoned it is inconsistent to discuss variations and
flexibility then also say shall have their density reduced.
Tygre disagreed. If this is an area that is not under a SPA
then that reduction should be considered. Pardee said only
if there is a mandatory PUD, which is only one-tenth of the
land. Take the slopes in excess of 20o into account but do not
reduce the density. That is not done with any zone except with
mandatory PUD. Pardee emphasized that FAR is only reduced because
of slope under a mandatory PUD. Richman cited Section 24-0.
Pardee asked why treat all of SPA similar to 1/100th of the
land. Harvey said this may only apply to the institute land.
The land goes down to the river. Pardee said this should only be
an item of information given to the Commission in developing the
precise plan. Richman said this section is the information
section and Pardee does have a good point . It should read
"underlying density calculated according to the provisions in
that section. " The underlying density is being identified for
informational purposes. The Commission decides the final density.
Kaufman commented on 24-7 . 6 : criteria for review of precise
development plan. Item "a" reads "in their review of the precise
development plan, the Planning Commission and City Council shall
consider, but not be limited to the following evaluations . . . "
The concern is what happens if one comes in with a plan and the
plan addresses one through six under item "a", but then someone
comes up with another consideration that is not even listed for a
reason for denial. Harvey said that is the way SPA works. SPA
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gives potential benefits, but there are risks. Richman said that
happens in rezoning also.
Richman noted other changes in the intent for the Rio Grande
parcel. He included the history of the sixth and seventh penny.
Hunt recommended include after sixth penny open space funds "to
allow interim use of a playing field. " The reason for the
reappropriation was to allow interim use of the playing field
on the Rio Grande property.
Harvey asked when the property for the performing arts center
reverts back to the county. Richman replied 1992.
White said the Rio Grande is owned by the city. And the city is
not planning for the property. Does the Commission want to
indicate in the resolution anything about what might be done for
the property? Richman said this resolution is not the appropriate
place for that kind of action. This action is within the Commis-
sion' s prerogative but this is not the place. White said it is a
mess. Fallin agreed but do not take action in the resolution.
Roger moved to adopt resolution #84-9 as amended and to direct
the chairman to sign the resolution; seconded by Jasmine Tygre.
Discussion. Pardee suggested that as part of the motion that if
Council does vote against the resolution that the Commission ask
for an immediate joint meeting. Richman said the resolution is
scheduled for the September 24th Council meeting. Hunt suggested
a meeting on the 22nd before Council reviews the resolution .
Richman said the problem is that Council is in budget. White
agreed with Pardee. May be this is a good time for Council while
it is reviewing budget to look at the city' s property and plan-
ning. Richman suggested if Council at first reading hesitates
then go into work session.
Roger Hunt amended his motion:
"Moved to adopt resolution #84-9 as amended and to direct
the chairman to sign the resolution. If the City Council
appears to have problems with the resolution at first or
second reading that the City Council be so kind as to set up
a joint meeting with Planning and Zoning Commission. "
The amendment is seconded by Jasmine Tygre.
Discussion. Kaufman said very often Council will approve the
first reading quickly because it is late. He strongly recommended
that a group of people from the Commission show up. It may
appear that Council does not have a problem because it is only a
first reading. But it could be defeated at the second reading.
The entire process would have to start all over again.
Harvey called for a vote. All in favor ; motion carried.
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TREE REMOVAL
Harvey read section 13-76 (b) : " any person wishing to obtain a
permit to remove. . . " Does this apply to the city? Richman said
yes. If Jim Holland wants to cut down a tree he is the person
wishing to apply. Harvey asked how many times would Holland be
denied since he grants the approvals. Richman reminded him that
there is a planting program for removal and replacement. The
tree which raised these issues was in the city right-of-way and
was cut down by the city and will be replaced. The replacement
is on the program. Harvey said the program indicates replacement
within one or two years. There is no way that tree will be
replaced with a comparable size tree.
Harvey said this section specifically deals with the private
sector. If there is a city street tree replanting program then
that is great . On the otherhand , Council during its review
budget may eliminate this program. There is no real requirement
in this section dealing with the city or dealing with public
right-of-way tree replanting. The section talks about a person
required to get a permit. Item "e" states the building inspector
may require the owner to relocate or replace a tree. But it does
not address the city. The city does not own that land. But it
has a public easement. Does the city own the land upon which the
right-of-way sits? Richman said yes.
Richman said in that case the city is the applicant and the
person. Harvey does not think it is clear in the code. Legally
can the city be held liable? The city attorney may argue that
this section addresses private individuals . Harvey directed
Richman to take this to the city attorney for his opinion.
White understood that the county wants to put more parks under the
city' s control. There is also a move to put pieces of property,
like Marolt, under a separate management for public property.
There is going to be a split between the parks and building
department. Another entity may be created. May be the tree issue
can be under the jurisdiction of this other entity and not the
parks department.
Fallin asked if the Commission prefers to see the building
inspector handle the trees. Richman explained the building
inspector looks at his one source of expertise, the parks director.
Harvey said when the city received a permit to remove the tree, the
replacement was put in the tree planning program. Does a private
individual who removes a tree also have the option to replace the
tree in one or two years as part of his program of tree planting?
Or does the individual have to replace the tree immediately?
There is a double standard. He does not know if the city replaced
the tree as part of its tree planting program which directs the city
to replace the tree or whether the building inspector ordered the
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city to plant a tree. Does the building inspector have the right
to direct the city to do that?
Richman said this issue will come up with a development approval.
In this particular case, the city was not asking for anything .
The city removed a diseased tree. The tree was in the city' s
right-of-way. And the tree replacement program instructed the
city to replace the tree.
Richman cited the golf course. The city comes in for the develop-
ment at the golf course. Trees are felled in order to put up
a pro shop. The city qualifies as a person. The city would have
to replace the tree if the building inspector chose to apply the
section.
Harvey asked the Commission if there is a problem with this if
the city attorney determines that the city falls under this
section. Pardee never had a problem to begin with. Richman said
the section seems to be working. The people who are working with
this do not believe there should be a "shall. " A tree should not
always have to be replaced. The relocation might be the better
solution.
Harvey directed Richman to ask Taddune if the city is excluded
from the section or if the city qualifies as a person.
Fallin reminded the Commission that the ordinance came about
because of the city manager' s action. Why would it be written
for individuals and the city?
RESOLUTION
ASPEN AREA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN GOALS AND OBJECTIVES
Richman scheduled a public hearing in two weeks.
He summarized the changes:
1 . Page two, the first objective. This deals with the
concept of ultimate carrying capacity. First look at
it. Then when it is understood what it means to be
fully built then the plan may be adjusted. The zone may
be downzoned. The capacities may be increased.
2. Page two, goal two . There is some revised language
about travel not only between Aspen and Snowmass but
also about mass transit in Aspen.
3 . Page two , goal three first objective. Air and water
quality issues are added.
4 . Page three , goal three , fifth objective. Energy
conservation is added.
5. Page three, goal three, sixth objective. This objective
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was completely rewritten. The earlier language was
ambiguous. It was agreed to measure the ski quality by
a couple of specifics: lift lines, variety of terrain.
6. Page three , goal three , seventh objective. The ski
expansion from the growth management policy update is
included.
7 . Page three , goal four, first objective. He included
summer visitation be made destination oriented.
8. Page three, goal five, third objective. The educational
language reflects that the the educational opportunity
would provide new kinds of jobs.
9. Page four, goal six, first objective. The bottleneck
to the entrance to town is addressed.
Harvey asked if Council has addressed the traffic light at Cemetery
Lane. Council was claiming the biggest reason for the bottleneck
was the traffic light. Fallin said the light blinks from 3 : 30 to
4: 00 p.m. White said it is a priority of the traffic committee to
do something there. Fallin noted an officer has been there to
redirect traffic. White noted that Council may have budgeted that
in the police department ' s budget to deal with this issue.
Richman continued. Page four , goal six, fourth objective is
addressed. The language links the interregional bus to Amtrak.
Hunt said the language is confusing. Richman said the intent is
to provide a link from the existing service to Amtrak so someone
can get from Glenwood to Aspen. Richman recommended language
"provide a bus link between Aspen and the recently inaugurated
Amtrak train service in Glenwood. "
Harvey said the resolution talks about maintaining the rural quality
of life. One of Council ' s objections to four-laning Highway 82
is that will create more people coming to Aspen. Council appears
-&,i ,- lat four-laning the highway will open the floodgates.
--i.cil is c'a v.:i:ing that the difference between a three hour ride
and a three and a quarter hour ride will be so great that that
will encourage more people to drive to Aspen . Perhaps the
resolution should include in the passages which talk about
upgrading the airport and talk about the transportation that the
reason the Commission wants this is to make it easier for the
residents and visitors to circulate . He wants to soften the
Council ' s alarm that the Commission is allowing lots of people
into town.
Richman read "upgrade the effectiveness of the service and air
transportation systems. " There is no language about providing
for growth capabilities . Perhaps spell out the intent is to
upgrade the effectiveness, convenience , and safety without
necessarily increasing capacities. Harvey said the capacity would
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be increased to a certain extent but for the purpose of being able
to handle the capacity that is in the town now. The intent is
not to open the floodgates.
Fallin said another Council concern with expansion is the pressure
to develop along the highway. There is a fear that there will be
pressure to locate for example a CONOCO station. Richman commented
there is a concern on the west side of the airport. Fallin said
there is the concern that once the road is in then the land can
be developed.
White reasoned the people who use the highway are those who work
in town. Those employees are forced to live downvalley. The
tourist only drives the highway once or twice. The locals drive
the highway everyday. It is the locals who suffer. Add the words
"convenience and safety" to the resolution.
Hunt commented that a problem with the existing system is that
there is a steady stream of slow traffic down Main Street and no
way for the cross traffic to pass. That traffic has to be blocked
to maintain the small town character. Groups of traffic have to
be moved to allow for the easy movement of cross traffic. That
is an impact on the local resident also. The existing situation
does not maintain the small town character . That needs to be
indicated to the Council .
Pardee said that gets into the transportation sketch plan. The
intent now is to give Council objectives. He encouraged a
statement that the transportation system is not just for the
tourists but for those who use the system the most, the downvalley
and local residents.
Tygre said the school of thought that improved roads will bring
in droves of people who would never come here otherwise has been
around for a long time. Harvey reasoned if one leaves Denver for
Aspen that driver does not know if he is going to get caught in a
traffic jam.
Richman said a real concern is that the person who is here for a
one week vacation discovers that half of his days are spent in
thirty minute lines. His next vacation will be spent in Vail.
Richman commented that the eighth objective of goal six is brand
new (maintain rail transit as a viable transportation option) .
The other change is goal seven, second objective. This addresses
the concern that growth pays its own way. There can be a fiscal
contribution.
Richman advised the commissioners to take time over the next two
weeks to evaluate the changes.
White asked where will the statement "education brings job" be
inserted. Richman said it will be located in goal five , third
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Regular Meeting Planning and Zoning Commission September 4. 1984
objective. Goal five addresses the social aspects of the community
and goal four addresses the economic aspects. One element that
helps to stabilize and to make a community socially better is the
offer of challenging jobs. The operation of a university provides
challenging jobs. The university could bring intellectuals to
the community.
Jasmine Tygre moved to adjourn the meeting at 6 : 35 p.m. ; seconded
by Lee Pardee. All in favor; motion carried.
Barbara Norris, Deputy City Clerk
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