HomeMy WebLinkAboutminutes.apz.19841204 RECQ, D OF PROCEEDINGS
Regular Meeting Planning and zoning Commission December 4. 1984
Chairman Perry Harvey called the meeting to order at 5: 06 p.m. with
commissioners Jasmine Tygre (arrived at 5 : 11 p.m. ) , Pat Fallin,
lVelton Anderson, David T,lhite, Roger Hunt , Tlari Peyton, and
alternate Ramona I-Iarkalunas (arrived at 5 : 09 p.m. ) present.
C.OMMISSrONERS' COMMENTS
Hunt commented on last night' s meeting on SPA. The Commission
should adopt section four by resolution. That resolution should
be passed to Council. Alan Richman, planning office, commented
that the Commission has already done that. Section four was
in the resolution. Richman advised Council to remove this section
from the resolution and then communicate through a motion or
resolution to the planning office that section four be part of its
workload. Harvey requested that Commission forward a resolution
on section four if Council fails to act. Richman briefed the
board that Council reviews this item December 10th and acts on the
draft December 17th. Richman assured the members he will report
back the actions by early January.
Hurt asked if Hammond participated in the transportation meeting
with the highway department . Richman replied Glenn Horn attended.
Hunt asked what transpired about correcting the light at Cemetery
Lane . The loop on the Cemetery Lane side is not functioning.
Cemetery Lane loop trips in the absence of cars. That affects
traffic . Fallin reported the presence of a sheriff there this
evening.
(Ramona Markalunas arrives in the chambers at 5: 09 p.m. )
Richman reminded the Commission that the two bodies, Council and
the Commission, agreed to a session on the planning work program.
On January 0, 1905 , the first Commission ' s meeting of the new
year , Richman requested a fairly extensive session to present
alternatives on planning ideas and strategies. He will invite
Council to that meeting. The session will address the Commission' s
planning work program. The second meeting in January addresses the
residential CiP competition.
PUBLIC HEARING
WEINERSTUDE CONDITIONAL USE REVIEW
Hunt mentioned he has talked from time to time informally with
Helmut Schloffer, owner of the Weinerstube, about being forced
out of his present location. The rent was increased. Hunt has
not talked to Schloffer about this application however . Hunt has
an ongoing business relationship with the owners , his usual
business relationship that exists with many local restaurants.
Lunt has no other interest in this project. Harvey asked Hunt if
his business will. be affected by the 1,1einerstube move. Hunt
replied no.
Colette Pe nne , planning office, briefed the Commission on the
application. In the C-1 zone, restaurants are a conditional use.
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Sumo' s used all the available square footage at the Old Post
Office. The Weinerstube is interested in moving to the Old Post
Office as of April, 1935. The Weinerstube will use about 3 , 500
square feet . Albie Fern, counsel for the applicant, corrected
her figure, it is 5 ,000 square feet. Penne continued. There is
another use already interested in the remaining space.
(Jasmine Tygre arrives in the chambers at 5: 11 p.m. )
Penne said the intent of the C-1 zone in the code is to provide
for the establishment of commercial uses not -primarily oriented
toward serving the tourist population. The Weinerstube has been
in its present location for about nineteen years. It serves a
clientele that includes tourists but primarily locals.
The reason for conditional use review is that the conditional use
approval for Sumo ' s expired more than a year ago . Had that
year not passed, the restaurant might have been considered a
continued conditional use in the zone. Any time a conditional
use changes in any substantive way, the new request is brought
back for the Commission' s review. In this present application
there are fewer seats. There will be ten parking spaces along
the alley. She checked out with the building department complaints
on Sumo' s, primarily a nighttime operation. The only complaint was
from La Chamanie Apartments. The other concern is parking be
clearly delineated for the restaurant.
The operation of the 1.1einerstubc at this time is primarily
daytime. The T-.7einerstube is a breakfast/lunch operation. The
hours are 7 : 00 a.m. to 10 : 00 p.m. The applicant wants to keep
that option to serve dinner. Sumo' s was open until 2 : 00 a. m.
A nighttime operation may conflict with Abetone Ristorante ,
across the street. The critical question for the J,TC inerstube is
parking. This restaurant ' s time of operation does not appear to
conflict with Abetone as did Sumo' s. There are no problems in
her mind. She advised Don Lemos who has a private parking lot
near there to install signage indicating the lot is private.
The planning office believes this request is good. The planning
office recommends granting a conditional use permit for the
?°4 4 inerstube. The Weinerstube wants to change the entrance and to
move coolers to the back loading dock of the post office. All
that activity will be roofed. The area would count in commercial
FAR. Charles Cuniffe, architect for the project , will present
the design . The square footage is under five hundred square
feet. The accumulative increase in FAR is over 250 square feet.
A GrIP exemption is required for that roofing. incorporate the
GMP exemption in this resolution. Otherwise, the applicant will
have to go through another one step review process.
Fallin asked what other use is contemplated for the space. Penne
replied the use will not conflict with the restaurant use .
The other use is a permitted use in the C-1 zone. The use will
not gencrate much car traffic; the use will generate pedestrian
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traffic.
Harvey opened the public hearing.
Charles Cuniffe, architect, presented floor plans and elevations
of the entrance and cooler . Cuniffe and the Commission review
the drawings.
Harvey arvey asked for further explanation of the G11P exemption. Penne
explained if the expansion were under 250 square feet planning
would simply sign off . Expansion from 250 square feet to 500
square feet requires a one step review process by the Commission.
Cuniffe noted the actual overhang is 168 square feet; the coolers
involve 331 .44 square feet. The entrance will not be enclosed,
it is a covered. Roof area is counted in FAR. The space is not
additional commercial square footage and the space is not enclosed.
The entrance is a covered porch.
Hunt asked if the 500 square feet is an approval for the building.
Penne replied correct. The applicant cannot approach the planning
office twice and incrementalize with the intent to obtain over 500
square feet. This request for 500 square feet is the last
time that the 500 square feet can be allowed through a G11P
exemption. The applicant is allowed small expansions up to 500
square feet . Hunt asked if the new area included the 3 ,500
square foot figure. Penne replied no. Hunt suggested including
the 500 square feet in the 3 ,500 square feet for appro;.,imately
4 ,000 square feet. Penne explained the Commission ' s decision
today does not mean the FAR is correct. The building department
will have to substantiate that there is no FAR violation before
granting a building permit. Penne stated that in her opinion
there is no violation. She has preopted other applications for
building on this property. The applicant is substantially under
FAR.
Hunt reiterated include in the approval approximately 4 , 000
sc,juare feet .
Harvey asked if the ten off street parking spaces are in the lease
for the restaurant. Kern replied yes. Cuniffe replied to a
comment by T,-,Thite- noted; nothing new is being added or deleted.
runt did not support Sumo' s because that restaurant was not a
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family or local oriented restaurant . The code indicates a
restaurant in this zone should be family oriented. He supports
the Weinerstube in this location.
Penne advised changing the motion to read 4 , 000 square feet .
Technically the permit would include all FAR. Entrances and
cooler spaces are technically part of the! restaurant . Include
approval of a GMP exemption for 500 square feet of expansion to
alter the entrance and roof to the proposed locations.
Harvey closed the public hearing.
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Motion:
Roger Hunt movr�d to approvo conditional use permit for the
Weinerstube Restaurant to locate in ap mately A_ ,1000 square
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f the Old Post office Building at 307 South Spring subject
facet o J ect
to th- necessary perinitlsj being received zcrola the Environmental
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h Dcpartin.ient . He further moved to e,:empt up to 500 square
feet of addition for ti,ntry wa-y and ref-rig :rated space from the
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growth management requirement. The motion is seconded by JaSm Lne
Tygre. All in favor ; motion carried.
Penne advised the applicant of new bathroom facility requirements.
The applicants responded the -facilities meet their requirements.
CONTINUED PUBLIC HEARING
ASPEN MOUNTAIN LODGE PRELIMINARY PUD-PHASING
Harvey reopened the continued public hearing.
Richman said Doremus and he compiled a list of original commitments
presented during conceptual review and the proposed representations
for phasing. Some of the representations are different. Most of
the commitments remain the same between the original and phasing
program. There are four areas with significant changes. First,
the conference space proposed under the phasing is two-thirds of
the originally proposed space. The later third would be built
during phase two, the reconstruction of the Continental Inn.
Second, the ice skating rink would not be accomplished during the
first phase. Remember the entire block of Durant Street is
committed to being open space and parks. During phase one there
would not be an active recreation area. Passive recreation areas
would be available.
Third, the most important change evolves around the architecture
and design question. There were many comments and much discussion
about upgrading the entire PUD area and constructing the entire
PUD at one time. Now the proposal is for two construction
periods. Clearly, there will be two distinct lodges. This was
one of Council ' s objectives. A unified architectural program has
been eliminated. There is also a program which has been developed
for the internal renovation of the Continental. Richman has not
seen those plans. There is also a program for external upgrades.
The applicant intends to spend money on the exterior of the
Continental . The Continental Inn will function and look better .
Fourth, there is change to the parking space commitment . Pre-
viously, there were 353 spaces, presently there are 283 spaces.
That is a change from .8 spaces per unit to . 6 per unit. That is
significant.
Harvey proceeded to comment on item one, water, sanitary, sewer
and storm sewer. All improvements are upfront and there is no
problem.
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Item two involves other utilities. Harvey noted that the cast
block of Dean is under study. John Doremus, representative for
the applicant, introduced A. J. Zabbia, engineering consultant .
There are various things going on between F_Ioly Cross and Aspen
Electric. Harvey asked if the Commission would be concerned
about delaying the undergrounding of all the utilities until phase
two.
Doremus indicated on the wall a revised utility plan. The plan
clarifies the hydrant locations proposed by Rea Cassens and
Association and the fire consultant. The consultant failed to
respond in time to include his remarks in the original submission.
Zabbia commented that originally all the overhead lines on Dean
Street were to be eliminated . These utilities also include
telephone lines. The utilities were to loop around the development,
run south on ?ionarch, east on Summit, north on Galena, and then
reconnect. Dean Street is the problem. Dean is the demarcation
line between Aspen Electric on the north and Holy Cross on the
south. Both electric companies have their trunk lines along Dean.
Aspen Electric' s trunk lines run north of Dean, Holy Cross ' trunk
lines run south of Dean. The lodge development crosses that
line and there is a problem removing the trunk line along Dean
Street.
Zabbia described the initial plan for removing trunk lines from
Dean for both Aspen Electric and Holy Cross for the construction
of the entire PUD at one time . This plan eliminated all the
over head lines along Dean Street. Hunt asked how Aspen Electric
would serve 1111ountain Chalet if Aspen Electric were to run its
lines on Durant. Zabbia indicated on the plan where Aspen
Electric would connect the overhead lines on Monarch and Durant
into a transformer. The applicant would absorb the cost of that
project. The phasing program eliminates the need to loop the entire
development as once proposed. There are several reasons for
this. He indicated the undergounding route on Galena which would
-be torn up. During the second phase Galena would have to be torn
up again. T4--
. L. is cost effective to underground the west half
along Monarch and Summit , catch the overhead lines on Mill
Street, and terminate at the Fasching Haus. During the second
phase undergrounding would continue on Galena and Dean Street .
(Zabbia illustrated the proposed work during the first and second
phases on the utility plan. )
The first phase will encompass 60-70% of the total cost of
undergrounding. Provisions will be made during the undergrounding
of the first phase to insure to continuation of the undergrounding
during the second phase. A substantial amount of money is saved
with this plan . Holy Cross will eventually loop around both
directions . He described the connections : Holy Cross will
connect with a large e.-,isting overhead trunk line running east on
Durant Street near the Chart House, will make the necessary
underground connections, will run lines south on .11onarch, cast on
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Summit, will eliminate all the overhead utilities along Mill
Street, will make the necessary connections to handle the Fasching
Haus, and then terminate the line at Mill Street and the Fasching
Haut. He described Aspen Electric' s .connection plan. Hunt asked
how Holy Cross will service the ski company. Zabbia assured him
that Holy Cross will make the necessary connections to keep that
overhead line in service. aunt unt expressed a concern -about a break
in the service. Zabbia replied Holy Cross has indicated it can
continue service by looping from the west. Holy Cross has not
provided the first phase details to the applicant. Holy Cross
has stated that they can keep the service. They will make the
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necessary connections. I-aunt noted that presently there is not a
trunk line - running up Mill -Strc-et-. - Zabbia -noted there '.-iiay be
overhead lines.
Peyton commented that the list should accurately say part of Mill
will be undergrounded as opposed to Monarch, Mill , and the
cast and west block of Dean. Harvey noted there is some potential
for Mill to retain overhead utilities and to add some utility
lines.
Novak asked when Holy Cross plans to present its program. Zabbia
replied he has not pushed Holy Cross for detailed plans. I-Jovak
commented the applicant cannot respond to the commissioners '
questions since he has not seen detailed plans from Holy Cross.
Richman said the critical commitment, regardless of what is done
in the first phase, is a guarantee in the PUD agreement that the
second phase is done. At some time the city has to be able to
call the completion of undergrounding the lines. The city needs
this commitment and needs a condition. Novak, agreed.
Harvey asked what are the odds that the utilities will not be
undergrounded on the east block of Dean until phase two. Doremus
replied that those lines will probably not be undergrounded until
phase two. Richman suggested that if the applicant does underground
the lines during phase two, fine ; but, if phase two does not
happen then by a designated year the lines have to be placed
underground. The phasing analysis will identify commitments that
must be included in conditions that eventually will be in the PUD
agreement. The city will not lose anything with this arrangement.
Zabbia said things may change somewhat between the time Holy
Cross and the developer sign a contract. It may be more economical
to address undergrounding the utilities at one time. The developer
may also decide to do the entire program, at one time because of
inflation costs.
Harvey asked Richman if the same consideration is applicable to
landscaping, item three. Richman replied the landscaping concern
is planting trees then ripping them up. There is some additional
landscaping in the new plan, in particular, around the parking
area and in front of the Continental . Some specific commitments
to trees are not being met. Harvey asked if there is a landscape
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plan. Doremus identified the plan on the wall.
1.1arvey asked for details about the landscaping plan in front of
the Continental . Doremus said much of the existing, mature
vegetation will be preserved and be augmented. There is a plaza
entrance and a landscaped park . Some removed trees will be
relocated. Richman reported on his conversation with Jim Holland
this afternoon. Basically, the applicant has committed to
everything that Holland has asked for in terms of relocation of
trees. Holland was pleased with the program as identified .
Doremus noted when Galena Street is relocated, the area around
the elbow of the existing Continental which will be torn up, will
be relandscaped immediately.
Doug Graybeal , landscape architect from Hagman/Yaw, explained the
landscape plan. The concern is the pedestrian traffic flow in
the two phases. The pedestrian traffic from the Continental will
be directed down (north) Galena Street across a major court to
town. He indicated the vehicle entry for the hotel and indicated
pedestrian accesses. Pedestrian traffic will be directed out of
the hotel to the corner at 1111ill and Durant, next to the Mountain
Chalet. The design encourages pedestrians to cross Durant at the
appropriate corners. The design includes vegetation to discourage
people crossing Durant mid block.
Harvey expressed confusion about item four , trails . There
appears to be an unattractive trail and a dependent trail .
Doremus identified the location of the ski-in trail . There is
a point where the trail splits and runs east toward Galena and west
toward Julianna. There is one constraint, the trail will run
between the Alpen'.Aick and the Continental. The Continental will
be there for five years, both structures are two stories, and
there is only fourteen feet between the buildings. The trail at
this point will not be attractive. The buildings cannot be moved.
All the other trails can be done. Richman commented that trails
cannot go anywhere until easements are obtained.
The Commission discusses item five : tourist hotel amenities .
Richman queried the meeting areas. Is there any meeting area
presently in the Continental will remain? Doremus answered
yes. He provided figures on the hotel ' s amenities. The existing
Continental has 3 , 550 square of conference space. The west wing
will provide 14,000 square feet of conference space at a minimum.
The total is 17 , 550 square feet of conference space. The original
commitment was 22 ,500 square feet for 480 rooms. The rooms have
been reduced to 447 . Prorated reduction in the conference
facilities reduces the square footage requirement to 20 , 950
square feet. Compare 17 , 550 square feet (phased) with 20 , 950
square feet (not phased) .
The difference is 3 ,400 square feet. The lobby areas are not a
GMP item. The applicant made no representations as to how large
the lobby areas would be. But, the lobby areas are large. The
Continental Inn has 2 ,300 scluare feet of existing lobby space .
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He has not calculated the proposed lobby areas for the west
wing , there may be about 4 ,000 or 5 ,000 square feet. The food
and beverage areas are a GMP item. The applicant originally
committed to 15,000 square feet. With the proposed changes in
the lobby area of the Continental, there will be 10 ,000 square
feet of bar/lounge space. There will be 10,000 square feet in
the Continental and 9,000 square feet in the west wing for a
total of 19,000 square feet of bar/lounge space. In this case
the applicant is over the original commitment of 15, 000 square
feet. All the health and recreation amenities will be located in
the west wing with the exception of a second pool in the Conti-
nental . The refrigerated ice rink will not be built during the
first phase. The original proposal for the accessory retail
space was 7,000 square feet. The 700 square fee",- in the Continental
might be doubled or tripled to at least 1 , 400 square feet. The
west wing is proposed to have 2 ,455 square feet of commercial
retail space. That total is Just under 4 ,000 square feet.
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Tygre said in terms of the meeting areas and square footage is
there an equation that relates square footage to number of
people. What will the different group sizes be? Novak replied
20 , 000 square feet handles 800 people . 14 , 000 square feet
handles about 550 people . Large conferences can still be
accommodated. Remember these figures are minimums. Conference
space could be increased if the operator were to conclude more
generous conference space was appropriate. Clearly, the space
will be adequate. Tygre remarked that Aspen has never accommodated
large conference groups. The problem in the past has been the
lack of space for groups composed of three hundred conferees.
The present space appears adequate. The community is not neces-
sarily unanimous about whether it wants to accommodate groups of
one thousand people.
Hunt expressed concern over the abundance of restaurant space.
In the long run if the entire project were not built, then there
would be 4 , 000 more square feet of unanticipated restaurant
space. Harvey noted 22 ,000 square feet is the Continental lobby
which is a bar and lounge. Doremus remarked much of this space is
used for double purposes. There is a new concept in resort
hotels. It is possible to have a larger, grander lobbies if the
lobbies are used for multi uses. Lobbies cannot be built anymore
simply for people to move around in. That is wasted space. The
space has multiple uses. In the afternoon a third or half of the
lobby is set aside for the cocktail hour. The setting is attractive
and is separated from the main traffic flow. This lobby will be
used as a multiple use space. Remember Patti Buggatils, which is
7 ,500 square feet, is already a popular, night club restaurant.
This operation has been around for a long time. Hunt repeated
there is still 4 ,000 more square feet of restaurant (space than
proposed. Doremus remembered the original application included a
country western bar/lounge at 0,500 square feet located at the
corner of Durant and rlonarch. Thore was a request for rezoning
the area for the restaurant . That plan was deleted from the
program since the area was not rezoned. Novak commented that
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everything originally proposed for the west wing is retained. In
addition, there is the existing Patti Bugatti ' s. Hunt questioned
the what happens if phased two does not materialize? The result
is an additional 4 ,000 square feet of restaurant space. Richman
noted that half of the space at Patti Bugatti ' s is dedicated to
music, not to food or dining. flusic space is sorely needed in this
town. He supported preserving Bugatti ' s. Doremus interjected
that the accessory retail space is reduced significantly, by 4 ,000
square feet . Novak explained if the Continental were to be
replaced by a new east wing, as per the original plan, there would
be two restaurants, a bakery and fine dining. The proposal for
the east wing incorporated two restaurants. The total square
footage for those two restaurants is less then Bugatti ' s . Ile
does not know if Hunt can make a compciri son.
The sixth item, the design concept, is the most subjective item
and the most overriding item. Richman advised the Commission to
include this item in the discussion of -construction pausing
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architectural ( r sign scheduled for the next meeting. Thc, Commission
agreed.
Richman said item seven, site Worj-,, is not a problem. If anyt'hins,
there will be more open space because there is less building
proposed roposed on Durant and there will be a surface parking lot.
Hunt asked if the s—E-urn on Galena will be straightened curing
phase one . Richman answered yes. Doremus indicated on a site
plan the actual improvement.
White asked how the applicant is phasing Galena. Doremus explained
700 South Galena will begin in spring 1986 and be completed
by winter 1936 -87 . Novak interjected this commitment is the
same as in the original plan. Tlells remarked this residential
component is related to the necessary GIMP approval . That approval
is not resolved at this time. The applicant filed a new application
Monday , and requested an amendment and not a now application.
The applicant is waiting for a determination by the city .
Richman said this is also a subject at next week ' s meeting.
White suggested utility changes be made at the same time as the
street changes . Doremus replied the applicant has made such
a proposal . One problem is that the loop for the overhead
connections may not be done during the first phase.
Item eight involves energy conservation. Richman said there is
an obvious problem with the lack of insulation at the Continental .
Doremus pointed out a couple of features for the renovation. There
are 'Lour additional energy efficiency devices: more effective
lighting ; new room solid core doors; weather proofing; and a new
roof with additional insulation . The most effective way of
saving heat loss is through better management . The employees
need to be trained in energy efficiency : turning thermostats
down, closing windows, etc. Harvey asked if the new furnace is
more efficient. Doremus replied yes.
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Item nine is par1king. Richman stated the parking is straight
forward, there are not as many parking spaces. Doremus interjected
it depends on one' s point of view. The original proposal involved
353 parking spaces to accommodate 447 room facility. Twelve of
the spaces were set aside for the six residential units . The
difference between the two figures is 341 net spaces applicable
to the hotel. The parking average is .76 per room. Remember the
parking expert concluded that .66 was perfectly adequate. In the
phased plan the proposal is 192 underground spaces for the west
wing, 19 additional for the current residential program, and
fifty-four surface parking for the Continental . That totals
265 parking for the 285 room hotel and residential components.
Subtracting the 19 spaces for the residential the net number of
spaces for the hotel is 246 spaces. At an average rate of .76
spaces per room, the total necessary parking is 216 spaces. The
result is thirty excess spaces . Those spaces can be applied
for temporary use by the Continental . In addition, the applicant
will make the Continental underground parking functional . That
involves 28 spaces. This scenario provides 58 available spaces
for the Continental . lie does not know how much parking is
necessary for the Continental. Harvey asked what is the present
parking at the Continental . Doremus replied none. Harvey commented
the surface parking north of the Continental is for the 17oodstone.
but is used for Patti Bugattils, for the Continental, etc. Novak
commented there is no parking policy in this area. Harvey wanted
to -focus on existing parking and how many rooms are being used at
the Continental.
The following table was provided by Joe TJells, consultant for the
applicant.
Table Ono.; eased Plan
192 underground parking for west wing
19 parking for residential component
surface parking for the Continental Inn
255 total parking spaces for hotel and residential
-12 parking for residential
246 net spaces for the hotel
ZJL� 0.76 per room ( .76.-1285)
30 excess spaces available for the Continental Inn
+ 28 spaces at the Continental
58 spaces available for the Continental
Harvey commented the significant figure is 265. Richman remarked
the figure should also include the 28 spaces in the Continental ' s
underground garage.
?Tells presented two other tables.
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Table Two Existing I!arjiW
Lodcle Dc�mand Supply
Continental Inn : 178 rooms 0 .5 U,on
45
Aspen Inn: 65 rooms 0V .5 58 65
Blue Spruce: 35 rooms 0 .5
subtotal 133 100
Residential
40 units demolished 0 1.5
TOTAL 1918 108
additional construction 20
currently available 198 128
Shortfall of 70 spaces (190" - 178) .
Table Three; Phase One Parkins
Demand S u p p 1 y
Ile s t ;ling 285 rooms 0 .7G 217 2 4 IG
Continental Inn 1062 rooms 0: . 50 81 28
Hotel/rRe si d. 11 resid. @2.00 -02. . 22
Subtotal 320 296
700 S. Galena 4 02.50 9 • 20
Top of Mill 33 @2.25 74 90
Summit Place 3 01 .50 __z --k
Subtotal PIG 116
TOTAL 408 412
Surplus of 4 spaces ( 412-408) .
Wells commented on table two. Last week he raised the issue that
there is a problem with the numbers and the requirements .
He tried to represent to the Commission that it is ignoring the fact
that the existing condition does not meet the requirements.
Fie tried to review the existing conditions . He tried to be
conservative with the assumptions. The demand figure for the
existing rooms is .5 spaces per room. The demand figure for the
new development is .76 space per room. The .7G figure accounts
for the increase in accessory spaces . He also assumed that
existing residential units are at the lower and of the space
demand 1 . 5 spaces per unit even though some of the units are
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large. The parking demand for the existing lodge rooms is
138 spaces . Only 108 spaces exist . This includes existing
spaces in front of the Continental even though the spaces are
committed to another project. This does not include any use of a
parking structure that is not currently used. The 63 spaces at
the Aspen Inn include the open space in front of the Aspen Inn as
well as the spaces along the condominium units along Mill
Street. Forty residential units will be demolished. Those units
generate a demand of 60 spaces at the 1 .5 rate; no spaces exist
currently . Presently, the current 20 on-street parking spaces
will be eliminated on Dean Street during phase one. The net
demand is 198 spaces, the net supply is 128 spaces.
Fie addressed table three. Phase one (the west wing) will generate
a demand for 217 spaces according to the TDA study. The rate is
based on . 76 spaces per lodge unit . The supply is 246 . The
Continental Inn demands 81 spaces at the rate of . 5; 28 spaces
will be supplied in the underground structure. The eleven
residential units in the west wing demand at two spaces per unit
yielding 22 spaces. Supply and demand are equal. For 700 South
Galena. ( four units) at 2 . 5 spaces per unit , the demand is 9
spaces and the supply is 20 spaces. Top of Mill (33 units) at
2 .5 spaces per unit demands 74 spaces, the supply is 90 . Summit
Place (three units) at a rate of 3 demands five spaces and is
supplied six. In this table there is a slight surplus of supply
over demand of four spaces in the phasing -program. There is a
shortfall with the existing conditions. Fie tried to be conservative
by including things that are not legally available. He tried to
use the low side of the demand.
Peyton asked if people who are not guests of the hotel but cline
at the hotel restaurant will be able to use the hotel parking
lot. T'lells explained the TDA study included that kind of inter-
change, spaces being vacated in the structure for quests who drive
elsewhere to eat. TDA assumed a certain demand for additional
spaces for the accessory uses in the building . The city ' s
parking standard is designed to assume a certain level of accessory
space utilization.
Again, Peyton asked if people who are participating in a wedding
reception will be able to park in the garage. Novak replied if
unique events were to be postulated then the parking would not
be aderuate. Tut, buildings are not designed around unique
events. An eight hundred person wedding at the hotel cannot be
accommodated. Peyton asked how will it be determined who uses
the parking . Novak noted valet and stacked parking will be
available. All the traffic consultants have stated that one does
not design a hotel for the one annual unique event. Peyton asked
if someone who is not a guest of the garage and who wants a
cocktail at the hotel bar can use the parking garage. Doremus
referred her to page eight of the parking study in Appendix; A.
The analysis concluded a shortfall of fifteen parking spaces for
food and beverage use. The person who did the study considered
people using the food and beverage facilities at the hotel . The
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four elements considered were articulated on page nine . The
study concluded fifteen more people would come to the hotel to
dine than the people leaving the hotel . The study included
fifteen extra spaces for that shortfall . The parking analysis
was very thorough. The analysis included every hotel use. The
figures are based on average peak occupancy and historical
patterns.
Peyton again asked how will bar patrons be discriminated from the
guests. Novak replied valet parking will be used for the restau-
rant. Doremus noted during peak periods there is a possibility
of parking fifty to seventy extra cars in the garage over and
above these counts with valet and stacked parking. Novak commented
someone who uses the underground garage will go through valet
parking. Harvey asked what will happen to the surface parking in
front of the Continental . Doremus replied it will be eliminated.
Novak said that space will become a park. Harvey asked how will
the parking on the west side of the Continental Inn, the fifty-
four surface parking spaces, be controlled.
Richman posed the real question. Is the operation of the c:,Iisting
Continental less parking intensive than the operation of the new
structure? There is an assumption by Wells that the Continental
is less parking intensive. If the Commission were to conclude
that the east wing under phase 1A (the Continental) is less
p_-rl.,-.ing intensive than a new hotel there, then the proposal would
be reasonable. If the parking demand for the phase IA project
were the same as a new 447 room hotel then the proposal would not
be reasonable. Richman calculated sixty less spaces with the
phased program. Is the loss of sixty spaces acceptable? The
parking reduction responds to a less intensive use of the Conti-
nental .
I Iells asked how one assumes that the Continental without some
expansion of the accessory space is more intensive. It is sad to
say that that facility is booked 100". during the winter . The
phased program, provides the saitic rooms but a better value. There
will be the same intensity of use at the Continental.
Novak- remarked planning was based on information unavailable
for the new hotel . There is no history of usage for the new
hotel. There is a history of usage for the Continental. There
is no reason to change the historical usage of the Continental
for future projections. Start with the understanding that, except
during peak periods, neither the Continental nor the new hotel
will be at full occupancy. The assumptions are based on peak
periods . I-lost of the year there will be no problems. I I i t h
respect to the Continental there was no reason to use the higher
coefficient of the new hotel . The applicant agreed however to
use the higher coefficient because of the underground parking .
Doremus corrected that the TDA study calls for . 55 spaces for the
winter peak occupancy demand, and GG spaces for the summer peak
occupancy in the neighborhood . The applicant is providing
substantially more. Recall every time parking was discussed with
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the Commission and Council the two bodies requested more parking.
They determined the higher coefficient.
White commented that currcntlU there are 108 on site spaces and
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28 off street spaces, totaling 128 spaces. After the project is
completed the parking space count is approximately 250. Technically
more spaces are being provided. Novak said there is no comparison
in the legitimacy of spaces. Harvey noted present occupancy and
parking spaces cannot be compared with the proposed plan. Wells
disagreed. People do occupy the existing buildings that will be
demolished for the new hotel. The Aspen Inn rents a room for
$200 per night. Novak reasoned no one can argue that the applicant
is providing less parking than the current existing parking.
Harvey continued the public hearing to Tuesday, December 11 , 19004 .
NEW BUSINESS
REFERRAL OF AF-,SKI ZONE
Harvey remarked there is no specific regulation requiring referrals
of master plans to the city. Richman e.,zplained the county
code provides that categorically. Harvey asked why and what is
the Commission is reviewing. Richman again replied the county
code categorically requires land use applications within two
miles of the city limits be presented to this Commission. A lot
split on Tlilloughby Tlay the Commission will not spend time on .
These applications are evaluated by the planning office. The
planning office has been delinquent in addressing and referring
some of the larger applications, for example, activities on Ajax
and at the base of the mountain , to the Commission. Those
activities relate to the city.
Hunt argued the county does not pay attention to the Commission
as a referral body. Richman replied there is no requirement in the
code that pay requires the county to attention. Nick, McGrath,I J
counsel. for Aspen Skiing Company, the county code is
modeled on the state statutes . The statutes only require a
reforral. The statutes do not require paying attention to that
referral . That may be a defect in the statutes. Hunt said the
remedy is to annex the base area of the mountain. Richman
interjected the Commission will be anne.-ing that area. The main
reason this issue is before the Commission is because it is a
study area for annexation. The Commission needs to be involved
and informed on these areas. The planning office will be a
ref e-rral agent. Annexation has become much more critical since
Centennial. He recognizes the default in the piiocess.
Bil Dunaway, publisher for the As-nen Timeg, inquired if the code
requires time limits for the submission to the city. The current
submission !,as been presented a week before the public hearing and
final solution. A week is not adequate time for the city consider
the request . Richman responded that the county code is not really
specific. It states there should be a referral . The Commission
should be critical of the master plan. Before the Coi-,inission
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today is the procedural -aspects of the code , similar to the
city' s SPA process. Richman assured the Commission it will sere
the master plan upfront. Harvrcy repeated that the county has no
obligation to listen to '-.-he Co�Lmission. In esscnce 'L-hc' proceSS
is oducational. Richman rcmarlkod that the county .•fill not Z111ond,
the code to it a rejuiremont to 14 sten -1L-o thc-! Coimr,,ission' s
co i i i 1c,n t z.
'71-4,ite intcrjected the negotiations between the city and county
managers on the planning office involves the county relinquishing
more planning authority in the extra-territorial issues. Richman
clarified the emphasis is or, planning authority not regulatory
authority. White agreed the Commission should receive those
projects sooner.
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arvey agreed the real issue is the master plan not the regula-
tions. Richman said he does not normally pass regulations before
the Commission. But, there is a proposal to rezone areas on the
city' s doorstep, for example, the two mountains. That is the land
use issue. That land use issue relates more directly with the
Aspen .'fountain master plan, to be addressed early 19,95 . The
Commission will and should see that plan. The master plan
addresses the base of Little. Nell. McGrath assured the Commission
that the master plan for the mountain will include all current
uses and proposed uses. The plan will be detailed. Hunt asked
if that area will be annexed by the time the Commission receives
the master plan. Richman replied no. Hunt responded he has
real problems with this. Richman asked Hunt specifically what is
he uncomfortable with. The base area conceivably will be annexed
next year . That time table is determined by Council . Hunt
highly recommended Council to act on this annexation. Richman
remarked the city has annexed most of the base area already.
Hunt expressed concern about a quadruple chair in the city area.
Harvey articulated the issues . How does the Commission feel
about this resolution to rezone and to require a master plan .
The master plan concept appears to be sound . He encouraged
the Commission send to BOCC a request that language be added
about timing on referrals to the city. Include language that
the county recognize the proximity to and impact on the city of
their decisions.
11cGrath reiterated Harvey' s comment that the master plan concept
is sound. Apart from the difficulties between the city and the
county on sound planning, apart from the differences of opinion
between the elected officials with regard to the planning office,
he believes the concept is sound. Perhaps the city will USE., the
concept for Potential (annexed ski areas . The concept enables
the county to review the planning for the entire ski area. The
county has never been able to do that. The county would not have
to stretch its definition of accessory use every time the ski
company comes -forward with a specific approval . The ski company
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Mill not be able to do :anything without a master plan approval, that
is the concept. The county has never had a mechanism for looking
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at an overall proposal . The ski company in proposing this
concept , is relinquishing much of its power and is relying on
good faith with the county. Un,,Jer the master plan concept the
county has an immense amount of power . There are advantages
looking at an overall plan for every involved party to look at an
overall plan. The concept is sound and legitimate from a planning
perspective.
Harvey asked if the Commission agrees the master plan concept is
sound. Peyton asked if the concept is similar to a PUD. Richman
replied that the plan is similar to an SPA. The two processes
follow similar paths. Peyton asked if an approved will be good
for five years not one year. !IcCrath responded correct. The
county regulation includes an automatic time lapse on an approval
after one year . If the applicant were to receive an approval
during the spring, for e.-ample, for a lift, and subsequently were
not able to afford the improvement, then the approval would lapse
within a year. The Buttermilk base plan completely lapsed .
I llarvi)y asked what is the strategy now.
I Richman replied he will take
the Commission' s comments to the county. Fred Smith will make a
presentation on the master plan, that will occur in January.
Richman will communicate the procedural concerns , for example ,
timing, to the county . Richman explained again the planning
office has been delinquent in referring issues to the Commission.
Harvey argued that the county is irresponsible in referring
issues in a timely fashion. The county treats the city' s comments
similarly to public comments at public hearings. The county
should be aware that the city is concerned about the current
procedure even though the city approves the concept . That
procedure is only a courtesy referral to the city. Richman
replied the timing issue is a staff error. The second issue
BOCC needs to address. Harvey said the city needs to be involved
in this planning process. Hunt argued the county is not receptive
to the city' s opinions. By the time the city has a chance to review
the issue the county has already massaged everything in their
minds. In effect, the county is reluctant to review an issue
again.
Richman summarized the Commission ' s points . The Commission
should be a referral agency like the county engineer or the
Colorado Ceologic Survey. Any application is submitted within the
first thirty days to the referral agencies . This action is
occurs before DOCC reviews the issue. That is a sensible request.
"IcCrat"i-I remarked a major portion of the mountain is in the city.
It is likely that when the ski company presents a master plan the
plan will be presented to both governmental bodies, city and
county. The ski company needs the city' s approval of the master
plan. Harvey askcd if there will be a parallel rezoning request
before the city. 'Richman replied no . The only activity involving
the city is the replacement of the lift at Little Nell . The
city' s limit is well up the mountain.
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Harvey directed Richman to thank the county for referring this to
the city. Richman acknowledged the gratitude . TrI a r v(_�Y also
appreciated Richman for taking responsibility for the ti-l'.1ing
problem . Harvey reiterated that Smith still should make a
presentation before the Commission.
Hunt is concerned whother the quadruple chair will be located in
the correct place . 11 Iluch planning has been in progress and
the city has had no input. Richman remarked the planning office
has not participated either. Nothing has been seen or approved
by anyone . White said the confusion may be over the city' s
discussion over revenue bonds. Smith made a conceptual presentation
of the changes on the mountain. The ideas are fluid. Nothing is
set in stone.
NEW BUSINESh5
CORDON—ASPEN CLUB SUBDIVISION
Colette Penne, planning office, distributed site plans of the
project to the commissioners. She oriented the members to the
site location. .13enne asked if the commissioners received Callahan' s
subdivision plats. On that plat the lot under consideration is
lot fourteen. The house referred to in the memo dated December
4th is the Benedict House. The request is for subdivision on the
parking lot section of the property.
The original rezoning request was submitted February, 1984 . The
request was much more expansive. It included work with the
Gordon property and some exchange of the upper lots . 111any
problems have developed during the interim. History of the Aspen
Club PUD and amendments have been complied. The application has
been tabled over a number of months for various reasons.
Thc, ownor of the club, Dick BLItera, would like the subdivision
element completed . The other aspect of the application came
forward on December lst as a MIXID application . The Commission
tonight will deal only with the subdivision request of the
Callahan Subdivision. The Aspen Club and the Callahan Subdivision
are a PUD.
The Benedict House on lot fourteen is actually two single family
dwellings. Fritz Benedict built that house in two stages . TT
built the first phase in 1958 and the second phase in 1902.
I.-l'olledict used one of the quarters for the children' s nanny. Andy
Hecht, counsel for the applicant, informed the Commission at that
time the Benedicts adopted children, there was a dramatic increase
in the number of children . The Benedicts consequently built
another house on the property. The primary residence was built
in 1958. The subsidiary residence in 1962. Penns Said there is
a problem. Thor: is procedure for verification of units .
Generally the planning office asl:s for CO' s or building permits.
In the absence of those documonts the planning office asks for
utility information or the office chcc,!-,s thr_� growth management
survey which reflects the nur.,iber of units . Affidavits from
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individuals is the final recourse.
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,Jecht presented to Ponne a series of items 11hich she described
and submitted to the record . First, Bill Drueding, building
inspector, did make a physical inspection of the 'Benedict-Butera
residence. The letter from Drueding dated November 30 , 198 ,
stated:
" In the easterly portion of the residence was a three
bedroom, three bath, kitchen dwelling. On the westerly
portion was a two bedroom, one bath, kitchen dwelling. The
two units were connected by a large breeze way. Under
current code that does not meet the 200- common wall criteria
for a duplex. What we have at this time are two single family
dwellings. "
Penne submitted a letter from Ann Ballard, administrative assistant
at the Aspen Water Department, dated December 4 , 1984 :
"As requested I have searched the Water Department records
on properties previously owned by Fritz Benedict and/or
Coldsant on Crystal Lake Road. I have found two oroperties
that were in those names. One at 1450 Crvstal Lake Road is
listed as a single family residence , and the tap permit
(?,'0690 was paid November 19, 1984. The other property is
located at 1305 Crystal Lake (Coldsant) . Our records indicate
that as of 1982 this property is a single family residence
with a guest house. I could find no record of a paid water
permit, as our records go back to 1955 . "
Penne presented an affidavit from Fritz 7ened-ict dated Doc-ember
4, 1984:
III , Fritz Benedict , being duly sworn , hereby depose and
sav as follows :
1 . At all times prior to May, 1976 , I was an owner of
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property described as lot fourteen, Callahan Subdivision,
as more particularly described in the official approved
plat thereof recorded on "lay 19, 1976 .
2. 1 am generally familiar with all conditions required
for the construction of a single family (3welling unit
in Pitkin County and Aspen, Colorado.
3 . 1 have been --involved in development- activity in -Pitkin
County and Aspen, Colorado for many years.
4. As one of t-hc� owners of what is now lot 'fourteen, Callahan
Subdivision (which at the time of construction of the two
single family residences thereon, was situated in Pitkin
County, Colorado) , I was responsible for developing two
single family dwelling units on that prcporty.
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5 . The 1;-!-,rgcr residence was construct-ad. in 1955 and the
smaller resi(lencc was constructed in 1952 .
C. On the basis of my c..,perience and to best of my knowledge,
all governmental requirements were satisfied in con-
structing a two single family dwelling unit situated on
lot fourteen of the Callahan Subdivision. "
This affidavit is signed and notarized.
Panne submitted a litter from Andy liecht dated 'November 30 , 1984:
"This letter is intended to amend that portion of the
application submitted on September 20 , 1984, by R. S.G. Develop-
ment, Inc. and Sheldon Gordon concerning -a lot split of lot
fourteen of the Callahan Subdivision ( "Subdivision") . Since
that application was submitted, the applicant has verified
that there, are now in existence two dwelling units on lot
fourteen of the Subdivision. There will not be created any
additional dwelling units. The applicant is proposing to
demolish one of the dwelling units and to reconstruct that
dwelling unit at another location on lot fourteen of the
Subdivision . Such development activity is exempt from
complying with the allotment procedures of growth mana-emenlL
quota system pursuant to Section 24-11 .2 (a) of the Aspen
1111unicipal Code ( "Code") , and therefore, the applicant requests
a declaration of exemption for the reconstruction of an
existing dwelling unit. The applicant also requests approval
for the c-emption from resubdivision requirements of the
Code pursuant to Section 20-4 (d) of the Code. Section 20-
19 (b) provides for the exemption for a division of land not
within the intent and purposes of the subdivision regulations.
The division of land in the instant case is solely for the
purpose of reconstructing the same number of dwelling units
on the same lot on which they already exist in a better
configuration and to permit the transfer of each existing
dwelling unit to separate ownership. "
Panne received these documents today. iir.i THilson and Alan
Richman need to sign off on these. That is the procedure. Those
two have not signed off as yet. The documents substantiate the
e.,;.-istcnce of two separate properties. The proposal is to demolish
one unit and reconstruct it on lot 1,1W. That is not particularly
a problem. That subdivision line will be added as a PUD amendment.
The rezoning requests a change, from the current Zone classification
of R,R t0 11-15. The Aspen Club was rezoned in 1975 as RP, rural
residential. The RR designation does not exist anywhere else in
town. Hecht explained lot 15, lot 14, and lot 14a wore zoned P.R,
with the balance of the property zoned R-15 . Panne cxplaincd
the RR designation allows for a recreational club. When the
Aspen Club was built the existing house was no longer occupied by
the Bonedicts. Goldsant wanted to use the house as a restaurant .
Part of the approval of the Aspen Club PUD included the use of the
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house a-- -a restaurant. Therc is now a request for change in
conditions. Butera does not want to use the house as a restaurant,
that use would require r-
,u., ..- a 'PUD amendment. P)Utcr,-.) cnnnot now use
that space as a restaurant because the commercial sc:uarc footage
attributed to that structure aas passed through PUD amendment
and was moved to the club for various types of club e.,:pansion.
Everything on the club side of the river would still be zoned
RR. The applicant requests tho area on the western side of the
river be zoned RZ-15 . Everything else on that side of the river
is zoned R-15 . It is not fitting to have the area zoned RR.
That zone permits other sorts of uses. She preferred to see a
zone designating residential use. That designation generates
less traffic. It does not add to housing problems. Using the
house in a commercial capacity may never have worked . The
logical choice is to retain the house as a single family residence.
Dividing the property into an eastern and western lot and replacing
one of the units on the western portion is fine. It is possible
the new lot will go through stream margin review. Alpine Surveys
did some preliminary work to insure that there was a building
site . The applicant does not have to get an easement for the
relocated parking lot from Pat r1tatt-alone. "lattalonc does not own
the property in question. The FAP calculated by Alpine Surveys
for the new house is 5, 900 square. The lot size will be reduced
for use of the property for parking. The FAR of the house will
be reduced.
Ponne reported that the conversations between Pjuter-a and Tiattalonc
indicate that Nattalone is agreeable to the parking relocation.
Butera has also agreed to a landscaping plan which will obstruct
the cars from Tiattalone ' s house.
The Commission tonight can act on a rezoning, subdivision, and
PUD. Planning office advises the Commission to recommend approval
of the subdivision and PUD amendment with the proposed parl,,i,-,g
-olution to Council .
Harvey- rvey addr ssedl the planning office ' s conditions or, page two o--f--
the memo 6atcd December 4 , 1904. Should condition two be deleted.
Pcnne preforrod that two amain. --he units will h--v` Lo 4J-1
vcri-Fic-` !D-fore Council tak 4:,--- final a-tion. The Co.mimaisslon 'does
not verify the czistcnc,,? of two unit S. There is enough cvid^ncrr-
for the Coiamission to assume the, two units If the
Commission worc comfortable that two units c;,ist then the Commission
could table action. The applicant Acant can chose to either remove a
kitchen from one unit and connect the two units to meet the
duplci: criteria or to demolish a unit completely. Hecht interjected
the option is not to make a duple:7; the option is to remove th•-!
kitchen and attach the units for a single family unit.
Hunt asked if the result will be another 14 ,700 square foot
building with three kitchens and with a single family residence
designation. Hecht replied not . There will be. one kitchen .
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Penne noted delete condition three. It is not necessary to have
casements. Harvey suggested a condition that states the replacement
pariking solution provides at- least twelve space~. Delete the state-
mcnt that easements be obtained and recorded. A parking condition
should ellist, that is critical.
Anderson asked if lot 14A is the large parking lot . 11 o c h t
answered yes. Harvey asked if the proposed subdivision lot line
is the access to the Aspen Club. Mill an easement be granted?
Hecht replied that easement exists in the PUD prps,�ntly. Penne
mentioned for the 1983 tennis festival the city approved additional
partying work with the understanding that the Commission would
review that parking at a future date. If there is a problem
the lot can be demolished. Penne suggested that when the plat
is recorded with this change that the current parking configuration
be shown on the plat. The parking should be depicted as it
actually is . That action would approve the current situation.
The new parking circulation is -far superior to the original plan.
Lunt e:Ipresscd problems with the parking near the service area.
There is much unauthorized parking off Ute Avenue.
fAotjon;
Welton Anderson moved to recommend approval of the rezoning of
lot fourteen from RR to R-15 and of subdivision of lot fourteen
through the amendment of the PUD plat with the following condi-
tions:
1 . Recordation of a plat approved by the engineering
department which includes the sedimentation ponds and
an accurate depiction of the current parking configura-
tion.
2 . That two units are verified as existing on the parcel
presently and one unit is eliminated prior to any
issuance of excavation or building permits.
3 . The replacement parking solution must provide at least
twelve parking spaces on lot fourteen i'W" (141-7) . That
this parking solution be recorded on the -amended PUD
plat.
The motion is seconded by Pat Fallin.
Discussion.. Hunt asked asked if a duple;r can be built on lot 14`7
at R-15 zoning. Penne said the Commission will exempt the unit
from GNP for a single family. If the lot were over 30 ,000 s(-,,uarc
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Loot the applicant could compete for a duplex under C-111).
Harvey called for the vote. All in favor ; motion carried.
Motion:
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ton Anderson moved to eXem.-ot from growth management a singlc
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family dwelling on lot 141W; seconded by Pat Fallin.
Discussion. T y gr- asked if the ,motion should read that this is
contingent on the verification on the pre-existing dwellings on
the site .
r1el
ton Anderson amended the motion to read:
moved to exempt from growth management a single family
dwelling on lot 1411 and that CUP -exemptipa is conditioua .
upga verification of two units ezisting on the --or-esent
narcel known as lot_.l4_ . "
Seconded by Pat Fallin. All in favor ; motion carried.
RESOLUTION
LEE RARDEE COMMENDATION RESOLUTION
Motion;-
Ramona Narkalunas moved to approve Resolution 8w•-15; seconded by
Tltlelton Anderson. All in favor; motion carried.
RESOLUTION
ASPEN ART MUSEUM RESOLUTION
Harvey suggeStcd that the SPA plan for landscaping, at a minimum,
be submitted for consideration. The city has to submit an SPA
plan by the first meeting of August, 1'0-85. The plan is either
accepted by October 1 , 1,0005 , or the 'Lill will have to be removed.
The fill could be there another year. Change the resolution to
say that at a minimum a landscaping plan for the Rio Grande be
submitted by the first meeting in August, 1985, and be accepted
by October 1 , 1 �85 , or the fill will be removed by October 1 ,
1935 . The city will at least have to do something , provide a
landscaping plan at a minimum.
Peyton questioned reviewing a landscaping plan before the city
knows actually what it plans for the area . Harvey wanted to
review a landscaping plan for the 'Lill . Penne interjected there
is no adopted SPA plan for the Rio Grande property. If there were
a landscaping plan presented on the SPA the plan would not be a
SPA plan nor would the plan be an amendment to the SPA since the
there is no adopted SPA plan. Harvey encouraged the city use
this action to implement the Roaring Fork, Greenaway plan . At
least the city could look at the Roaring Fork Grcenway area.
IT-unt asked what happens if the city deposits the fill in an area
which might be a site for a future building . Harvey noted
there is an SPA plan for the Rio Grande, the plan has never been
adopted. Penns agreed there is a SPA plan which has been submitted
and there is master , 'Jo one recognizes
plan which has been adopted. 4
that plan. There certainly is a plan for the Rio Grande . The
plan was adopted by the form r Council. That plan was submitted
as an SPA submission just at Itt-11c time SPA was nixed. (Peyton
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a s k ej, for a copy. ) Penne continued. The plan is simple . it
keeps the playing field, it incorporates a performing arts
center, it has a greenway, it includes the Andrews-14cFarland
Duildings and Caps, and the jail. Harvey noted that the jail was
built on the property before the adoption of the SPA. The city
traded property with the county : jail land for land for thre
performing arts center land.
Motion:-
111ari Peyton moved to approve Resolution C.,S-14 ("Temporary Storage
stipu-
lations")Fill Material or, the Rio Grande Property under Certain D 4-
�ipu-
la-11-ions") with the conditions under "no,,,7, thcreforc, be it resolved"
amended as follows :
1 . An SPA pla,:I which dota-ils. lands-caping at a miniziu�m is
ubmitijad for - cQnsideration b,T thg Commission' s first
i-aectinu gf August. 1985.-. and, is. accgptg� by- October 1.
2,05: or
2 The fill is removed by October 1 , 19'5 .
Seconded by Welton Anderson . The motion is carried with Pat
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Fallin opposed.
Perry Harvc-y adjourned the meeting at 7 : 15 p.m.
Barbara 'Mlorril,--6—ep-Uty City Cler!',.
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