HomeMy WebLinkAboutminutes.apz.20130806 Regular Meeting Planning& Zoning Commission August 6, 2013
U Erspamer called the meeting to order at 4:30 with members Myrin, Weiss, Gibbs,Tygre present.
COMMISSIONER COMMENTS
1. Erspamer suggested the P&Z draft a resolution of commendation for retiring deputy city clerk
Jackie Lothian.
2. Erspamer said he would like P&Z to meet with City Council to discuss what Council feels P&Z's
role is. Weiss suggested some more substance to the topic than just P&Z's role, like where the P&Z is at
with the AACP. Ms.Tygre said she would like time with Council to go over P&Z's complaints and issues.
3. Jessica Garrow, community development department, thanked P&Z members who attended the
Rubey Park open house last month. Ms. Garrow said she will send meeting minutes to P&Z. The next
open house will be early September and P&Z can attend if they wish.
4. Ms. Garrow said Wednesday,August 14, at noon will be a work session with P&Z and HPC to
discussion potential process changes on review of lodging projects as a result of Council direction to
streamline the process for upgrading existing lodges and condominiums. Ms. Garrow said she is working
on a code amendment to consolidate the PUD/SPA chapter and P&Z will be included in all information in
the future.
MINUTES
June 11, 2013—Myrin noted his name is misspelled on page 5. Weiss moved to approve the minutes of
June 11, 2013 as amended; seconded by Myrin. All in favor, motion carried.
June 18, 2013—Ms.Tygre pointed out a correction on page 1; Erspamer said it should say"closed the
public comment section" rather than "public hearing". Myrin moved to approve the minutes of June 18,
2013,as amended; seconded by Gibbs. All in favor, motion carried.
July 2, 2013—Ms.Tygre moved to approve the minutes of July 2, 2013; seconded by Myrin. All in favor,
motion carried.
Gibbs said there should be a signature block on each set of minutes.
DECLARATION OF CONFLICT OF INTEREST
There were none.
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ASPEN ALPS PUD AMENDMENT
Jessica Garrow, community development department, noted this is a continued public hearing for the
applicant,Aspen Alps, requesting rezoning, PUD and subdivision review. Council is the final review
authority with a recommendation from P&Z. Ms. Garrow said this project should be renumbered as
Resolution#18. At the previous meeting, staff outlined the project request, which is to memorialize the
existing development with a PUD overlay. There are existing legally established non-conformities, which
the applicant is requesting be memorialized. Ms. Garrow reminded P&Z there were many questions on
how the non-conforming chapter works, how it relates to this project and the effect of establishing a
PUD for this property.
Ms. Garrow pointed out under the non-conformity chapter there are two ways a non-conforming
structure can be rebuilt. To be considered a legally established non-conformity,the building has to have
been built under the code in place at the time. When the zoning changes over time, buildings built
legally at the time become non-conforming, which is the situation of the Alps. A non-conforming
structure can be rebuilt through non-purposeful destruction, acts of God or acts of nature. Another way
a non-conforming structure can be rebuilt is related to purposeful destruction when a building owner
tears the building down and they can rebuild by complying with the existing code or they can go through
special review process with P&Z. The latter is when a building owner wants to retain any parts of the
non-conformity, like building over the adopted height limit.
There are two non-conformities at the Aspen Alps that make this difficult. The first is unit size and the
second is unit count. According to the non-conformity chapter, if one demolishes their building, they
have one year to rebuild it to maintain the density and unit count. If it is not rebuilt within one year, a
property owner has to get special permission to maintain the unit count. There is not the same
provision for unit size. Ms. Garrow told P&Z at the Alps every building is over the code in terms of unit
size. If the Alps were to come through the non-conformities chapter of the code,they would request
the ability to build back the exact unit count and unit size in order not to create winners and losers in a
redevelopment, where some owners might lose 700 square feet because they are a non-conformity in
terms of unit size. Ms. Garrow said if the Alps does not receive approval to rebuild the same unit count
and unit sizes,they will not go through with redevelopment.
Ms. Garrow said going through the PUD or the non-conformity section of the code creates the same
situation—what is there today is the baseline of what can happen with the parcel. The PUD would lock
in the dimensions for each unit and for each building. If one of the buildings wanted to change parking,
to expand, to increase setback,they would be subject to a full PUD process. Establishing a PUD does
give some benefits to the city by establishing recorded dimensions for each of the units. When a
property owner wants to remodel,they have to do floor area calculations and adopting a PUD would
eliminate that work and that cost. Another benefit is that most of the utilities on the site are not
located within easements or in sub-standard size easements. Going through the PUD process,the Alps
will establish properly sized and located easements for the utilities. As part of the PUD process, updated
lot descriptions will be created and will establish a clear legal description.
Ms. Garrow noted adopting a PUD would provide some protection for the property owners to know
what they have is legal and can be rebuilt rather than having to go through a discretionary process with
an unknown outcome. Ms. Garrow reminded P&Z the parking for building 100 was discussed at the last
meeting and the application stated there were 16 parking spaces for building 100; one of those spaces is
on the Glory Hole condominium property. The attorney for Glory Hole states it is 1.5 spaces; the
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applicant is working with Glory Hole on an easement to continue use of the 151h spot. Staff recommends
approving this request.
Gibbs asked if there is a difference in how the common areas of the Alps parcel would be treated. Ms.
Garrow said the non-conformity deals with the structure and the PUD is locking in building size. Ms.
Garrow said the common areas at the Alps are governed through the master declaration, which would
continue whether this is a PUD or not. Ms.Tygre asked whether the building measurements would be
memorialized whether this is a PUD or not. Ms. Garrow said PUDs requires floor and site plans to be
recorded and without that requirement, there is no need for the applicant to record these as an official
document nor would it be recognized by the city.
Ms. Garrow pointed out the Council ordinance and minutes regarding the Winter building have been
included in the packet. Ms. Garrow said staff feels the intent was to put a PUD on the entire property
but that is not the way the ordinance is written nor is it clear in the minutes. Myrin asked if it would
make more sense to adopt a general code amendment for projects within the city rather than adopting
this rezoning for the Aspen Alps. Ms. Garrow said that is part of the lodge proposals and any code
amendment related to that will not be before P&Z until next year. Ms. Garrow stated Council may not
want to determine that every short term rental building is conforming. Myrin asked if there is another
way to establish dimensions without using the PUD. Ms. Garrow said the only way to vary dimensions is
through a PUD process or a specific redevelopment through special review.
Jim DeFrancia, representing the applicant, pointed out there is no specific development proposal. The
purpose of this request is to memorialize the existing Alps improvements in a regulatory way. DeFrancia
stated the PUD would create a consistency and reliability within the property and clean up issues like
utility easements, what is private and what is public,ownership of the South Alps road and would give
the city a better point from which to address any development applications. DeFrancia said
infrastructure issues, like easements, mud flows, roads, need to be addressed within the entire Alps
property and those issues would be identified in a PUD agreement. DeFrancia reiterated the only point
of this application is to bring the property into regulatory context so the property owners can consider
what they need to do on some of the older buildings.
Sunny Vann, representing the applicant, told P&Z this application was referred to all referral agencies
and the water and fire departments indicate some of the lines are inadequate to meet modern fire
codes and to allow any redevelopment. Vann said the PUD would contain conditions requiring the Alps
to comply with the city's new drainage requirements. Vann said City Council is concerned about
retaining short term accommodations,especially older condominiums and how to facilitate replacement
and upgrading of these facilities. Vann noted the lodge zoning permits multi-family and lodges and in
the past decades mostly multi-family has been built. To address the concern of declining bed base,
Council down zoned the lodge district regarding multi-family and cut the floor area ratio in half,which
made many properties non-conforming. Part of the current discussion is a realization that existing
multi-family is important to the lodging inventory and it should be maintained to benefit the tourist
base. Vann said with a PUD, the applicants have the certainty of knowing the properties can be
retained, upgraded and the Alps will remain an important asset of short term accommodations.
DeFrancia said applying the PUD is not meant to be an endorsement of higher density or heights;this is
to address buildings that were built legally. DeFrancia said an alternative is to address individual
applications for special review through the non-conforming code, which is not in either the owner's or
the city's best interests. Vann said these individual special review applications have both uncertainty
and costs and do not address issues for the entire complex or for the city. Myrin asked about a
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commitment to short term rentals as part of this application. DeFrancia said that is not the purpose of
this PUD application. DeFrancia told the Commission that 50 to 65%of the units are in the short term
rental pool and that probably will not change.
Ms. Garrow said when a PUD is established, all dimensional requirements are established and if a PUD is
adopted for the Alps, it will be conforming no matter what changes are adopted with the lodging
program. Tom Todd, attorney, told the P&Z adding their resolution or Council ordinances to chain of
title would not trigger a call of mortgage loans; these would be looked at as enhancing the value of the
collateral as making regulations more clear. Vann said the fire department commented they would like
appropriate turn arounds at the culminations of the roads within the Alps as part of redevelopment.
Vann pointed out other infrastructure the applicant would have to address would be adequacy of water
lines for fire protection purposes; adequacy of the roads for the fire trucks; and drainage. These issues
are a benefit to the city and an encumbrance to the Alps. Erspamer asked about the deed restricted
housing units. Todd said the Board approved the deed restriction and these will be presented to the
housing office for approval.
Myrin asked if this request could result in the units being rebuilt exactly as they are. Vann said the plan
is to record elevations,floor plans and dimensional requirements. Currently small changes, like
windows or doors, can be approved administratively. Larger changes would have to go through P&Z for
a PUD amendment. Ms.Garrow pointed out the recommendation from the water department is for 20'
easements, which is their standard requirement. The water department recognizes there are
constraints on this property and they can accept less in some circumstances.
Erspamer opened the public comment.
Jeanne Doremus, attorney for Glory Hole condominium association, reaffirmed there are 1.5 parking
spaces on their property and they are working with the Alps to resolve shared parking. Susan Gaines
said the square footage in her unit has not been ratified. Ms. Gaines said since this has come up, 25%of
the Alps owners have put their units for sale as they are concerned about this application. Ms. Gaines
told P&Z she lives at the Alps full time; she is not covered by insurance for landslides or unstable soil
conditions. Ms. Gaines said this property is on a hill and there are a lot of unknowns.
John Corcoran,general manager Aspen Alps,told P&Z that 25%of the units have not been put on the
market and no Board members have put their units up for sale; there are about 8 units for sale. Peter
Carmen, Board member, said a number of owners have expressed concerns about this process and
some of them ran for the Board. The most incumbents were re-elected by the Alps owners. Larry
Abramson,Alps owners, stated there is a communication problem between owners and the Board and
perhaps this application will improve the communication better. Abramson said one of the biggest
problems is this application and lack of information to.the owners.
Erspamer closed public comments. - - - -
Myrin stated he is not comfortable with an application based on the number of non-conformities. Myrin
said if this is a direction the community wants to take, it should be a code amendment,which he could
support as opposed to this process. Ms.Tygre said she would like the Alps to be able to maintain its
structures and to do improvements. Ms.Tygre said she supports the memorialization, however, she has
issues with the process—this is not a PUD, it was built before PUDs existed. Ms.Tygre said calling
something a PUD after the fact seems to be a bad use of the PUD process. Previous PUD applications
have been in conjunction with proposed developments not to memorialize an existing development;
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there is no provision in the code for a "reverse PUD". Contorting a process to fit an individual need
creates problems.
Gibbs pointed out there is already a PUD designation on a portion of the Alps and the intent was to
make the entire parcel a PUD. Gibbs stated he supports this application; staff has explained the
rationale and the benefits,consistent with the code. Gibbs said he does not see the negative impacts of
approving this application. Weiss said there is a conflict between the Board and the Alps owners;
however,that is not under the P&Z's purview. Weiss said he does not have a problem with this
application. Erspamer agreed this application will probably better the process; however, there are some
concerns. The first is the outreach process; the application instructs applicants to conduct outreach,
which should include one's homeowners. Second, the city will draft a new code on lodging; no one
knows what that code will entail and Erspamer said he is reluctant to approve an amendment that might
be addressed by the code amendment. Erspamer stated he would prefer to wait to see the lodging code
amendment.
Weiss told the commission he attended the lodging incentive work session and it will probably not be
major amendments,especially regarding condominiums. Myrin agreed with he would like to see what
code amendments will come out of the lodging incentive. Gibbs stated basing decision on future code
possibilities is an abuse of P&Z's discretion. Gibbs said the Commission should look at the application,
look at what the code says and make a decision based on that. The application was submitted in good
faith, under the existing code, and the Commission should make a decision.
Myrin pointed out the chart in the packet illustrates that this does not meet any of the current code and
he cannot support applications under the existing code that are non-conforming. Myrin said before
adopting a PUD to vary these requirements, there should be things like a transportation study and a site
visit. Vann reminded P&Z the Alps went through the process to build the Winter building under existing
zoning. Vann said portions of the Alps were zoned conservation, R-15 and lodge through zone
designations after the Alps was built. City staff said they could recommend approval of the Winter
building with a PUD and rezoning to lodge so that the Alps is no longer a non-conforming use and as a
quid pro quo to put a PUD over the entire parcel so the city could review an application on a global
basis. Vann said the ordinance that approved the Winter building is unclear regarding the parcel
descriptions and staff recommended redoing the PUD overlay as there are no documents of record.
DeFrancia reiterated the core issue is cleaning up the property from a partial PUD to a total PUD with a
PUD agreement, and identifying constraints and make it easier for the Alps addressing their future
needs.
Ms.Tygre moved to approve Resolution#18, Series 2013, recommending City Council approve a PUD
amendment, PUD review, rezoning and subdivision for the Aspen Alps that memorializes the existing
development;seconded by Gibbs.
Myrin reiterated he is opposed to this as table 4 indicates this project does not meet current code.
Weiss,yes; Myrin, no; Ms.Tygre, no; Gibbs, yes; Erspamer, no. Motion NOT carried.
Myrin moved to recommend to City Council to deny the application; seconded by Ms.Tygre. Weiss, no;
Myrin,yes; Ms.Tygre,yes; Gibbs, no; Erspamer,yes.
STREAM MARGIN REVIEW— 1460 Red Butte Drive
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Jennifer Phelan, community development, told P&Z this application is to demolish the existing house
and rebuild it with a new residence and an accessory dwelling unit. The requests are for special review
approval to memorialize an alternative top of slope for stream margin review, approval of stream
margin review, second special review to grant a variance to allow the proposed accessory dwelling unit
to be attached to the residence, and variances from the residential design standards for the proposed
house. Ms. Phelan said the stream margin review is to insure minimal impact to the Roaring Fork river
and its tributaries and where development can occur is limited. The city has stream margin maps
outlining engineer's surveys to locate the top of slope;there is an exhibit in the packet showing the
existing footprint of the house, a top of slope and the 100 year flood plain. Ms. Phelan told the
Commission there is the ability for applicants to request an alternative top of slope shown in exhibit 2
and is closer to the river. The engineering department went to the site and reviewed it and
recommends approval of the alternative top of slope and staff recommends approval of this special
review request. Ms. Phelan said if the alternative top of slope is approved, the residence will meet the
stream margin standards which include setbacks from the top of slope and height requirements. Based
on the new top of slope, staff finds the stream margin review is met.
The third request is residential design standards, and the applicant is requesting 4 variations. One
variation is building orientation, having the facade of the building face the street. The second variation
request is from the standard that the garage width of a carport being no great than 24'wide; the third
request is that the front door of the house should not be more than 10' back from the front of the
building. The applicant proposes an attached garage and the front facade of the building is the garage
and the front door is 40' back from the fagade of the garage. The fourth variance regards the amount of
windows. Ms. Phelan noted there are two standards for variances and applicants need to meet one of
them. One standard addresses specific site constraints. Ms. Phelan said this lot is over 31,000 square
feet and staff does not feel there are site constraints. The other standard is neighborhood context and
are there similar features in the neighborhood which might allow granting a variance. Ms. Phelan said
the neighborhood is single family dwellings, some with accessory dwelling units, lots of landscaping and
screening of the lots.
Ms. Phelan said the request regarding building orientation,the building would only be a few degrees off
and the neighborhood had a lot of houses facing the street and the request for building orientation still
meets the intent of having a street facing fagade and should be supported. The second request is the
garage or carport with the entry of no greater than 24'. Ms. Phelan pointed out the neighborhood has a
number of 3-car garages with widths of greater than 24' and staff supports the variance from the garage
width requirement because of neighborhood context. Staff does not recommend approval of the
setbacks from the front door. In the neighborhood one does see the front door near the front fagade of
the buildings. The request for windows full glass two-story element is not seen in the neighborhood
and staff recommends against approving that request.
Ms. Phelan said there is a special review request to have the accessory dwelling unit attached to the
single family house. Ms. Phelan reminded P&Z that the ADU standards are geared to the unit be a
separate,functional living unit, with a minimize size, minimum storage, kitchen requirements, and that
the ADU be detached from the house. Staff recommends P&Z not approve this special review request.
Staff recommends approval of the alternative top of slope, approval of stream margin review, approval
of two of the residential design standards regarding orientation of the house and the garage width and
staff recommends denial of the setback of the front door and the span of glass going through two stories
and denial of the attached AUD. The resolution is separated by requests.
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Myrin asked about the criteria for approving top of slope. Ms. Phelan said if there are questions,
community development staff defers to the engineering department. Ms. Phelan noted the standards
for stream margin/top of slope determination are that it is developed by an authorized survey by a
licenses surveyor showing a different determination and that the stream margin meets the criteria. The
applicant used a surveyor to determine an alternative top of slope and had the engineering department
go to the site, and they agreed to the change. Weiss asked if the change to top of slope is approved,
how close the house will be to that top of slope. Ms. Phelan said after the top of slope is created,
nothing can go in 15' and from top of slope, there Is a height restriction. The applicant said they are 25'
from top of slope;the house is being moved toward the river and will be larger; however, it will meet
stream margin criteria.
Myrin moved to extend the meeting to 7:15 pm; seconded by Erspamer. All in favor with the exception
of Ms.Tygre and XXX. Motion carried.
Charles Cunniffe, representing the applicants,told the commission that top of slope has been updated
with the city's agreement and on site one can tell the mapping is erroneous. The engineering firm
staked the top of slope and the city engineer agreed with the alternative. Cunniffe noted the proposed
size of the house is 600 square feet less than would be allowed. Cunniffe said the applicants are willing
to give up on the ADU being connected to the house. Cunniffe said the front door being recessed from
the front of the house is contradictory;the house is setback from the street and is not visible from the
street. This is not a gridded area; it has large lots and a lot of greenery. Cunniffe said pulling the front
doorjust to meet the design standards would add unnecessary square footage. It is obvious where the
front door is without pulling it up to within 10'of the garage. The second variance is for the 9 to 12'
band of windows and the applicants are interested in a suspended staircase, which they would like to be
seen from the outside. The other windows are 9'6" and only are 6"outside that allowed. Cunniffe said
the intent of the design standards are to have the houses in a neighborhood conform to each other and
this is not trying to look like a traditional home.
Myrin said regarding the 9'to 12' windows,there are two provisions of the code from which this could
be decided; it has to be clearly necessary for reasons of fairness or provide appropriate design pattern
considering context. Cunniffe said the context standard would be more applicable as other structures
have large windows. Cunniffe said there will not be an ADU on site so the total square footage will be
less.
Erspamer opened the public comment section. There were no comments. Erspamer closed the public
comment section.
Myrin stated he supports the request based on the design pattern of the neighborhood and that the
ADU has request been withdrawn.
Myrin moved to approve Resolution#19, Series of 2013, as written,deleting section 2 and modifying
exhibit 113; seconded by Ms.Tygre.
Gibb moved to extend the meeting to 7:20 p.m.; seconded by Erspamer. All in favor with the exception
of Ms.Tygre. Motion carried.
Weiss said he does not feel the design codes are applied evenly nor are they enforced.
Roll call vote; Weiss, no; Gibbs, yes; Ms.Tygre,yes; Myrin,yes; Erspamer,yes. Motion carried.
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Gibb moved to adjourn at 7:20 p.m.; seconded by Erspamer. All in favor, motion carried.
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