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BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT
OCTOBER 29, 1992
4 .00 P.M.
SECOND FLOOR MEETING ROOM
A G E N D A
I. CALL TO ORDER
ROLL CALL
II. CASE #92-14
LESLIE J. RUDD
III. MINUTES
OCTOBER 8, 1992
IV. ADJOURN
NOTICE OF PUBLIC HEARING
CASE #92-14
LESLIE J. RUDD
BEFORE THE CITY OF ASPEN BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT
TO ALL PROPERTY OWNERS AFFECTED BY THE REQUESTED ZONING OR USE
VARIANCE DESCRIBED BELOW:
Pursuant to the Official Code of Aspen of June 25, 1962, as
amended, a public hearing will be held in the Council Room, City
Hall, Aspen, Colorado, (or at such other place as the meeting may
be then adjourned) to consider an application filed with the said
Board of Adjustment requesting authority for variance from the
provisions of the Zoning Ordinance, Chapter 24, Official Code of
Aspen. All persons affected by the proposed variance are invited
to appear and state their views, protests or objections. If you
cannot appear personally at such meeting, you are urged to state
your views by letter, particularly if you have objection to such
variance, as the Board of Adjustment will give serious
consideration to the opinions of surrounding property owners and
others affected in deciding whether to grant or deny the . request
for variance.
Particulars of the hearing and requested variance are as follows:
Date and Time of Meeting:
Date: OCTOBER 29, 1992
Time: 4 : 00 p.m.
Owner for Variance: Appellant for Variance:
Name: LESLIE J. RUDD TED GARDENSWARTZ
Address: 300 WEST HALLAM
Location or description of property:
300 WEST HALLAM
Variance Requested: PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE R-6 ZONING
CATEGORY. CHAPTER 24 SEC 3-101(A) (5) ASPEN MUNICIPAL CODE: SLABS,
PATIOS WHICH DO NOT EXCEED 30 INCHES ABOVE OR BELOW GRADE ARE
PERMITTED INTO REQUIRED SETBACKS. APPLICANT APPEARS TO BE
REQUESTING TO PLACE A THERAPEUTIC POOL IN THE SETBACK EXCEEDING THE
30 INCH BELOW GRADE MAXIMUM; ONE OF 6 FEET DEEP BELOW GRADE.
Will applicant be represented by counsel: Yes: X No:
The City of Aspen Board of Adjustment
130 South Galena Street, Aspen, Colorado 81611
Remo LaVagnino, Chairman Jan Carney Deputy City Clerk
RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS
BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT OCTOBER 29 1992
Present at this meeting were Rick Head, Ron Erickson and Remo
Lavagnino.
There being no quorum--
CASE #92-14
LESLIE J. RUDD
Remo: I call this meeting to order for the purpose of tabling this
hearing to date certain of Friday October 30, 1992 at 12 : 00 noon.
Ron seconded the motion with all in favor.
There was no one present from the public to make comments regarding
this variance request.
Rick made a motion to adjourn
Ron seconded the motion with all in favor. Time was 4 : 40pm.
Janice M Carney, City I eputy Clerk
RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS
BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT OCTOBER 30, 1992
Chairman Remo Lavagnino called meeting to order at 12 : 00 noon.
Answering roll call were Ron Erickson, Anne Austin, Rick Head and
Remo Lavagnino.
CASE #92-14
LESLIE J. RUDD
Remo read into record request for variance. (attached in record)
Ted Gardenswartz, Representative for applicant: Presented
affidavit of posting and of mailing. (attached in record)
Anne: What size lot do we have here?
Remo: Is that considered a duplex lot?
Gardenswartz: It is.
Remo: Is it a duplex lot?
Gardenswartz: Yes.
Anne: These are 2 living units here?
Gardenswartz: Yes. I am Ted Gardenswartz representing the
applicant, Mr. Leslie Rudd. This is Bill Campbell who is the
architect on the project for Mr. Rudd.
I think it is important to put this into perspective. This is a
therapy pool for Mr. Rudd. And I read the Land Use Code and as
somebody characterized earlier generally projections which do not
exceed 30 inches below grade can't go in the setback. What this
application is all about is putting this therapy pool into the
setback. As you can see from the drawing the therapy pool has to
be deeper than 30 inches in order for it to have any impact and
any use for Mr. Rudd.
As an initial matter, Mr. Rudd is planning to move here with his
family. He is about 6 foot 2 and weights over 365 pounds. He is
52 years old. He has been diagnosed by doctors at Duke University
as having serious heart and blood pressure problems that are
related to his obesity. The reason we are here is he wants to
build this therapy pool and the pool needs to be 6 feet deep. The
idea of the pool is that he can do water aerobic activity in the
pool that he cannot do according to his doctors on the ground
because of his weight which causes significant problems to his
joints, to his ligaments, etc. So it is not as though he can go
jogging around.
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In a nutshell what we are seeking to do is just go 3 and 1/2 feet
deeper than the 2 and 1/2 feet we could go in building this pool.
And I would say I guess as an initial matter it seems to me that
the visual impact of going an extra 3 and 1/2 feet is non-existent
because the pool is there and it is 2 feet deeper or 10 feet deep
I don't think it has any different visual impact from the street
or from the neighbors perspective or anyone else. So I don't think
that that should be an issue. The real issue is the need for the
therapy.
As you can see from the map there really is nowhere else on the
lot for the therapy pool. It can't really go any closer to the
house. As I understand it that is pretty much a bedroom there or
a bathroom there and for safety reasons and other reasons they
don't want to have it any closer to the house.
All of you have seen Dr. Cobb's follow-up letter. (attached in
record) and I guess what I should probably do is sort of go through
this using your criteria as to what you consider. Obviously
granting a variance should be consistent with the goals and
objectives of the code.
The purpose here is to enhance and foster the public health of Mr.
Rudd and I don't know how to say this without sounding corny. But
it seems to me that given his obesity, given the efforts that he
has tried for years to deal with this and given the fact that it
now is at a point where his blood pressure or his heart is such
that it is getting more and more critical for him that to some
extent I guess I would analogize this to some sort of a
prescription on a healing art sort of level. And I don't want to
be cynical about that because I think that in real life that is
where he is. And I think that is what his doctors are saying and
I guess it is difficult to imagine getting to that point maybe for
US. But Mr. Rudd is there and he needs this and this is really
his--getting to his last efforts to try to deal with his problem.
Your code also talks about variances that will make a reasonable
use of the parcel or structure. I think it is important to bear
in mind we are only looking to go 3 and 1/2 feet deeper than we are
allowed. The pool needs to be 6 feet. He is going to do his water
aerobics with harnesses and he has got to be standing apparently
at least shoulder depth.
I have an article that the doctor faxed me. It talks about how
when one is submerged up to one' s shoulders in the water, 90% of
the weight is removed. So he needs to have the pool to be at least
that deep to have the effect that is intended to have. He also
needs it to be of a size in order for him to motor around in the
pool so that he can get the intended aerobic benefits of this.
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I think a literal interpretation of your code deprives Mr. Rudd of
rights commonly enjoyed by others and certainly would work a
practical difficulty. It seems to me if I were reading the code
that if Mr. Rudd were so inclined, he could build a pool that would
be 5 feet deep by essence of going 30 inches above grade and 30
inches below grade. So the practical difficulty--he could have a
5 foot deep pool if he wanted to. If he had a 5 foot deep pool he
could fill it up to 4 feet 6 or 7 inches of water. I don't know
how much would be displaced but I think what we are really talking
about is one foot. And I think that is the practical difficulty
here. And I would submit that these visual impacts of having a
pool totally below grade rather than having the 30 inches above and
30 inches below would be much less of a visual impact for all the
neighbors.
Remo: You are putting a wall in, right?
Gardenswartz: Yes. And I understand the argument well that this
is a new structure. And I understand the position that he should
have thought about this earlier. He should have designed this pool
to fit in there earlier. He didn't. The pool was not planned
ahead of time. He was at the Duke University this summer. I don't
think he should be punished for that. I think that he is not
trying to end-run anything. He is not trying to get some sort of
a benefit. He is just trying to get this pool to help him. And
it is not, I don't think, a special privilege. I think he could
build a smaller pool if that would work for him and his doctor said
it wouldn't. He could build a pool a foot shallower. And I don't
think that would work either. And I think on a human level what
he is asking for is not that much. And he is asking for your help
so that he can do what his doctors want him to do.
Remo: What intent of putting it--what is the 30 inch below grade.
How does the City arrive at that figure.
Drueding, Zoning Dept: That has been part of the code since I have
been here. The 30 inches--they expanded it to--that is so you
don't have stairs outside.
Remo: Below grade.
Drueding: Yes. Below grade--we don't want people and fire trucks
falling down and we don't want this moat effect going around town.
Remo: But if it is 30 inches below grade and 30 inches above grade
that is 5 feet. That is basically--you are not going to get a fire
truck to get around that either.
Drueding: That is not the only reason for it. Part is so we don't
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have all this moat area around buildings look like they are a 3-
story building when actually they are a 2 story and they are
looking down like this--to avoid that garden level.
Remo: Did they have pools in mind when they--
Drueding: We have been dealing with the pools and the hot tubs.
They are having to put them--they are complying by building a
platform up.
Rick: Mr. Campbell, could not this pool be moved over and abut the
foundation wall of the house?
Campbell: Yes.
Rick: The reason this is 8 feet wide is so that he has a place
that he can go like this in?
Campbell: Correct.
Rick: Why couldn't he just walk from one end and turn around and
walk back. If, for instance we only gave--by statute you are
allowed to have a pool here that goes all the way to the foundation
wall in which case you wouldn't need a variance.
Campbell: That's right. And--
Rick: So why would we grant you this variance if this could be
accomplished in some other fashion?
Campbell: There is a door here which is access to this courtyard.
Gardenswartz: The idea is that we didn't want somebody to be able
to walk out accidentally and step into the pool.
Remo: How much distance is there from the door to the pool now?
Campbell: 4 and 1/2 feet.
Remo: Well, I could still take one step and go into the pool. I
think that is a safety--you are talking about the health, safety
and welfare. It doesn't sound like that consideration has been
given there to somebody stepping out of that door.
Gardenswartz: If you do it this way at least you have got a step
before you are going to hit the pool. Otherwise you open the door
you are right into the pool. That is the reason.
Remo: With new construction at this point it is not like there is
a door there right now. You can move the door someplace else I am
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sure. This is at a stage in construction where you can, if you
really want that pool in there, make changes to fit your pool in
there it seems to me.
Anne: If this is a garage why couldn't the pool go right here?
Campbell: If you did it would still come out like that.
Anne: What is the size of this thing?
Rick: It is 8 and 1/2 by 6.
Gardenswartz: The doctor told me that he thought it had to be at
least that width. He didn't explain why he can't go back and forth
instead of going around. As I understand it there is going to be
some sort of a harness activity. Maybe that has something to do
with it. He is going to be doing some sort of walking in the water
with a harness as one of his exercises. I don't know that.
Anne: Couldn't he go to the club and do this?
Gardenswartz: I asked about that. The problem with the club is
the consistency on the belt.
Drueding: Before he got his building permit was proposed and we
told him he couldn't do it.
Campbell: The pool was shown on the drawing. It is a different
pool from what we are proposing now. The dimensions are
approximately the same. It is a pre-manufactured resistance
swimming pool called a Swimex. It is only 4 feet deep so we could
have put that in and that was the original plan. This summer after
we started construction he was at Duke and this is when the doctor
proposed the deeper pool. That is why we are here now.
Drueding: The Planning Department's opinion was if this pool is
so necessary it could have been incorporated in the building. We
have got a new duplex building there. It seems like the pool could
have been inside or designed at least within the setbacks.
Campbell: Something changed within the course of construction.
We complied with the code originally. This is a new matter.
Gardenswartz: It was designed to be only a 4 foot pool. And that
is why it was designed this way. We didn't think we would need to
be here. Then when he found out through his doctor that it had to
be deeper than that at that point in time the building was there-
-everything was in place and we now need to have a pool that needs
to go an extra foot deeper than we could go otherwise.
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Drueding: When was this building started?
Campbell: We started construction in June.
Ron: Someone said this is a duplex building. Is it divided into
2 units and who owns the other half.
Campbell: He owns them both right now.
Ron: Is he constructing this building? Did he buy the original
lot and then hired you to construct this building for him?
Campbell: Yes.
Ron: At Duke Center for Living, is that in-patient or out-patient?
Gardenswartz: He was there for 10 days as sort of an in patient.
He goes back periodically.
Ron: In other words you go in there and they take care of diet
and they give you these exercises and everything else. It is a
health regimen situation for a limited period of time and then
extended visits are an out-patient basis.
Gardenswartz: Right.
(Mrs. Rudd came in)
Ron: You mentioned that this is a right that his neighbors have
that were withheld if this variance was not granted.
Gardenswartz: I think the right that he has is to build a 5 foot
deep pool that his neighbors have. And the right to do a 5 foot
deep pool 30 inches above and 30 inches below.
Remo: We are not denying him that right.
Gardenswartz: We understand that. And I think that the right that
his neighbors have are the right to have an exercise room or have
something that they need to do for their health. And what he needs
for his health is a pool. He can't do a Stairmaster. He can't do
the things that maybe you and I would think of as typical exercises
that his neighbors--
Remo: They don't have that by right. They have it by choice. A
right is something that--we are not denying him a right either.
He could have it inside the house. It has all been there. We
haven't taken anything away from him. It just allows him to do
everything--he is allowed to do. Their neighbors have complied.
No one has done a pool 6 feet. So comparison with something that
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a neighbor has that he is being denied--an exercise room in a
neighbor's house is no parallel to a variance for a pool because
of his particular needs.
The other thing is if he sells the house we are encumbered with a
situation of something that is no longer pertinent and that is
forever.
Gardenswartz: You are not because Mr. Rudd has told me and has
authorized me to tell you that he will deed restrict this property.
He will put on whatever restrictions you want on there because he
is serious about that if he sells this house he will bring this
pool into compliance either by making this 30 inches on this end
of the pool--filling it in--bring it into the setback. He is
willing to do that.
Ron: That's true. The City Attorney has told us that deed
restrictions really don't have a great deal of bearing on any
decisions we make. We should not make any decision based on a deed
restriction.
Anne: It has been recommended to us not to do that.
Gardenswartz: Well, it is an obligation to Mr. Rudd. If Mr. Rudd
were to sell this in violation of that there would be penalties.
He would have to pay something. At some point in time the guy is
willing to say "I am going to deed restrict this thing to bring it
into compliance when I sell it and whatever expense goes with that
I am willing to do that. That is how important this is to me" .
I don't know that you can't believe that he is going to do that.
Susan Rudd: Leslie really is a health risk. It isn't--we are not
just saying that. He is 360 pounds. He is 53 years old. And this
really is his form of exercise. And we are moving here. We have
sold our house in Kansas and he really wants to spend the rest of
his life--but the next couple of years getting in shape. And he
can't walk.
Ron: I personally understand all of this. But I don't understand-
-and that is why would the man with those medical problems put
himself at risk by moving to an altitude where all--from what I
understand--heart problems are excellerated in the altitude.
Rudd: Actually he has never had any heart problems. He has high
blood pressure that just happened. He is actually a very healthy
guy. He used to do 5 or 6 miles a day but now he just can't do it
until he gets the weight off. In the pool he actually wears belts
and then it is running in the water.
Anne: We are supposed to grant a minimum variance. And if this
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pool can be made slightly narrower and set closer to the house then
you don't need a variance.
Gardenswartz: The minimum variance we need is a foot.
Anne: But right now you have got half of the pool over.
Rick: You are talking about a foot in depth.
Remo: But the request is not for that. The request is for 6 feet.
MPT
Gardenswartz: We are allowed 5 foot.
Anne: But they would have to be above grade.
Remo: Your variance is for 3 and 1/2 feet.
Gardenswartz: Our variance is to build a 6 foot pool.
Remo: Your variance request I thought was to go down from grade
level.
Gardenswartz: It is. To 6 feet.
Remo: But that is not the minimum variance that we could grant
you. You could go 30 inches up, 30 inches down. That is 5 feet.
All you need is 12 . That is a minimum variance.
Gardenswartz: You are right. What I would say to you is that I
think that doesn't make sense. You ought to have the whole thing
below grade. If you are going to grant it, the whole thing ought
to be below grade.
Remo: Why would you say that?
Ron: Because the visual impact--
Remo: What visual impact? There is a stone wall around it.
Anyway he is allowed to have 30 inches.
Ron: If I am going to grant this variance at all I would just as
soon let them put it in below grade.
Remo: I wouldn't.
Anne: I agree. I would rather see it below grade. If you pull
it over this way there is less space impact over the setback too.
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Gardenswartz: If we can pull it over so that we can still have the
same width maybe we only come out a foot.
Rick: What does that door access now?
Gardenswartz: The bathroom. That is how he is going to access the
pool.
Anne: Maybe the whole pool could be put up against the house and
moved forward a foot this way.
MPT
Anne: Since it is new construction--since it could have been
planned in there better earlier, I think if you came back with less
impact over the setback it might more palatable.
Gardenswartz: The pool is important. And we are willing to make
it have a minimal impact and if that means under Remo's scenario
you go up 30 inches and you go down 42 inches, that is a
possibility to get the 6 foot pool. If it means that we bring it
closer to the house--
Remo: I think it is a combination of both of those.
Anne: Right now I see this as the ideal situation for the owner.
I want them to make some compromises and come back and say "We will
cut back from our impact on the setback. We will cut back on the
depth. Or whatever" . I don't have a problem going 6 feet into the
ground.
Gardenswartz: I understand what you are saying. I was thinking
that the ultimate compromise was to say we are going to deed
restrict this thing so that the pool is gone.
Anne: It is the policing of that.
Rick: A question for Mr. Campbell: Could this be accomplished by
moving it and butting it up against the existing house foundation?
Campbell: I think we would still need a variance.
Rick: What if we gave you a foot into the setback? Could you live
with that? What about the door to the bathroom--the shower? Can
you move that down the hall?
Campbell: Anything is possible.
Rick: I would be in favor of doing that if you need a foot or
something like that in here. I could go for that. We are really
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charged with giving you the minimum. The absolute bare minimum and
that seems to fit the bill.
Remo: The bare minimum would also include going up 30 inches.
Rick: Yes. I could go for that.
Gardenswartz: At that point in time it wouldn't be a problem with
the door removed because you wouldn't walk into a 30 inch step.
Anne: Actually with snow in the winter I suppose 30 inches above
grade would be better because you have got your snow depth.
Rick: What is the distance from the existing foundation wall to
the setback?
Campbell: It is about 9 and 1/2 feet.
Rick: And you are asking for 8 and 1/2 feet. So you have actually
got a foot to play with.
Gardenswartz: Well then the pool fits in there.
Rick: But you have got foundation walls. A 6 inch foundation wall
on either side. You need another 3 or 4 to 6 inches. If you are
out an inch or 2, we are not going to--
Remo: No, we wouldn't.
Rick: And then if you could build this thing 3 feet above grade-
Campbell: We wouldn't have to at that point.
Gardenswartz: At that point we could go down 6 feet.
Remo: He could go down 6 feet and he don't even need us here. He
doesn't need a variance.
Anne: But if he needs a little bit of a variance, then he needs
to come back. We can't make an arbitrary decision today, but if
you need a foot we will give you a foot. We need to see what you
are going to do with it.
Campbell: Let's go back to something that was said earlier about
the intent of the code. Because there is nothing in that ordinance
that even addresses pools. It is very specific and specifically
does not address pools. And I am wondering why.
Remo: Because it is a matter of fire engines getting in there and
that is a safety factor.
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Campbell: That doesn't make any sense at all.
Remo: That is what it says. It is a safety factor.
Campbell: Why should fire trucks want to go a little bit more to
the edge of the setback because the setback is different in
different places around the lot. All over town the setback are
different.
Rick: There is a wall all around this whole thing too.
Remo: What is the purpose of the 30 inches going down?
Drueding: It is a safety factor. That is one of the reasons.
Campbell: Can you get more specific?
Drueding: The firemen go running around the side of the house and
they fall into this 6 foot hole.
Campbell: Yes, but at the point of the setback they will fall into
the 6 foot hole.
Gardenswartz: If we move the pool right here they are still going
to fall into a 6 foot pool.
Remo: They have the setback then.
Drueding: The purpose of the setbacks is we don't want clutter.
We don't want holes. We don't want things sticking up. It is
visual. There is safety. All of these reasons we have gone over
many times.
Gardenswartz: I don't think this is visual.
Drueding: In general these are the reasons for setbacks.
Gardenswartz: I don't think safety as a safety for firemen--
Remo: Well, there is a safety. The setback is between houses from
this piece of property to the next.
Gardenswartz: The way it is designed right here they have better
to get around than they would coming around this way.
Remo: It is marginal both ways.
Rick: How big is the foundation wall supporting the house?
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Campbell: 10 inches.
Rick: Would that retain that kind of water pressure if you just
butted up against it and not even build an extra--
Campbell: I don't know.
Remo: Do you have to build this pool from scratch? Or is this a
ready-made.
Campbell: It is from scratch.
Rick: I don't see that you need a variance. If you need a foot
or a couple of inches somewhere then you can come back and see us
but at this point I can't see anything to hang my hat on.
Remo: It would be difficult to give a variance. I don't think the
Board is ready to grant you one based on the information that you
have given us when there are other solutions that would at least
minimize the variance considerably than what you are presenting to
us today. The code was designed for the citizenry in general
rather than one specific person. We have had this come up before
where a person has come to us for a therapeutic pool in the setback
and we were concerned about them selling the house and then we
would be stuck with this pool. And it is exactly what happened.
Gardenswartz: Can we table this?
Remo: Absolutely.
Gardenswartz: We will know by this afternoon whether we even need
to come back. If we do need 3 or 4 inches--
Remo: I will be here this afternoon if you need to table to a date
certain.
After discussion--
Remo: Let's pick a date right now to table to just in case we need
it.
MOTION
Rick: I move to table is case #92-14 to date certain of November
23rd at 4 : OOpm.
Ron seconded the motion with all in favor.
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MINUTES
Rick: I move to approve minutes of #92-13
Anne seconded the motion with all in favor.
Meeting was adjourned. Time was 1: 10pm.
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Janice Carney, City Deputy erk
It should be noted that Mr. Rudd's Attorney, Ted Gardenswart , sent
a letter withdrawing his request for variance dated November 9,
1992 . (attached in record)
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CITY OF ASPEN
BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT
DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION
DATE September 199_ CASE # � '1
APPLICANT Leslie J. Rudd PHONE
MAILING ADDRESS P 0 Box 1968, Wi chi to—Kanaac A77L12
OWNER Leslie J. Rudd PHONE
MAILING ADDRESS P 0 Box 968 Wichita Kansas 67202
LOCATION OF PROPERTY 200 West Hallam Street, Aspen, Colorado 81611
(Street, Block Number and Lot Number)
WILL YOU BE REPRESENTED BY COUNCIL? YES X NO
Below, describe clearly the proposed variance, including all
dimensions and justification for the variance. (Additional paper
may be used if necessary. ) The building permit application and
any other information you feel is pertinent should accompany this
application, and will be made part of this case.
See Exhibit "A" attached hereto and incorporated by
reference herein
Applicant's Signature
es i u
By Ted D. Garden ------ ates,
------------------------------ P.C. , as attorney-
in-fact
REASONS FOR DENIAL OF BUILDING PERMIT, BASED ON THE ASPEN CITY
CODE, CHAPTER 24. AN OPINION CONCERNING THIS VARIANCE WILL BE
PRESENTED TO THE BOARD BY THE ZONING DEPARTMENT STAFF.
DATE PERMIT DENIED OFFICIAL
DATE OF APPLICATION HEARING DATE
NOTICE OF PUBLIC HEARING
CASE #92-14
LESLIE J. RUDD
BEFORE THE CITY OF ASPEN BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT
TO ALL PROPERTY OWNERS AFFECTED BY THE REQUESTED ZONING OR USE
VARIANCE DESCRIBED BELOW:
Pursuant to the Official Code of Aspen of June 25, 1962, as
amended, a public hearing will be held in the Council Room, City
Hall, Aspen, Colorado, (or at such other place as the meeting may
be then adjourned) to consider an application filed with the said
Board of Adjustment requesting authority for variance from the
provisions of the Zoning Ordinance, Chapter 24 , Official Code of
Aspen. All persons affected by the proposed variance are invited
to appear and state their views, protests or objections. If you
cannot appear personally at such meeting, you are urged to state
your views by letter, particularly if you have objection to such
variance, as the Board of Adjustment will give serious
consideration to the opinions of surrounding property owners and
others affected in deciding whether to grant or deny the request
for variance.
Particulars of the hearing and requested variance are as follows:
Date and Time of Meeting:
Date: OCTOBER 29, 1992
Time: 4 : 00 p.m.
Owner for Variance: Appellant for Variance:
Name: LESLIE J. RUDD TED GARDENSWARTZ
Address: 300 WEST HALLAM
Location or description of property:
300 WEST HALLAM
Variance Requested: PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE R-C ZONING
CATEGORY. CHAPTER 24 SEC 3-101 (A) (5) ASPEN MUNICIPAL CODE: SLABS,
PATIOS WHICH DO NOT EXCEED 30 INCHES ABOVE OR BELOW GRADE ARE
PERMITTED INTO REQUIRED SETBACKS. APPLICANT APPEARS TO BE
REQUESTING TO PLACE A THERAPEUTIC POOL IN THE SETBACK EXCEEDING THE
30 INCH BELOW GRADE MAXIMUM; ONE OF 6 FEET DEEP BELOW GRADE.
Will applicant be represented by counsel: Yes: X No:
The City of Aspen Board of Adjustment
130 South Galena Street, Aspen, Colorado 81611
Remo Lavagnino, Chairman Jan Carney Deputy City Clerk
EXIT "All
The proposed variance is an encroachment into the rear yard
set back in order to build a 6 foot deep therapy pool. A drawing
showing the proposed location of the therapy pool is attached. The
drawing shows the required set backs and illustrates that any
alternate location of the pool would cause a more severe side or
front yard encroachment.
The owner's architect, William B. Campbell, has been advised
by the City's zoning officer that pools projecting into required
set backs may not be deeper than 30 inches. As an initial matter,
the land use regulations governing "projections into required
yards" allows certain projections into the yard without
restriction. Therapy pools (and even swimming pools) are not
addressed by the Land Use Regulations. Thus, there is some
question as to whether the proposed pool even requires a variance.
Even if the Land Use Regulations were interpreted to exclude
a 6 foot deep projection (although a 30" deep projection would be
permitted) , there are special conditions and circumstances unique
to this parcel and the health needs of the applicant. In that
regard, a letter from applicant's doctor, Fred R. Cobb, M.D. , is
attached hereto. As you can see, the medical needs of Mr. Rudd
will be served by allowing this 6' deep therapy pool. The minimum
dimensions of the therapy pool are 816" X 1810" X 610" deep. These
dimensions are dictated by the intended therapeutic use of the pool
for water aerobics and resistance swimming.
In short, the requested variance is necessary for the
applicant, will allow him to enjoy the rights of other owners in
the area and if denied would cause unnecessary hardship to him.
Under these circumstances, and considering the encroachment only
relates to the depth of the pool (which will be fenced) , a variance
is requested.
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To Whom It May Concern:
Re: Leslie Rudd
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Mr. Leslie Rudd is a gentleman who has participated at the
Duke Center for Living at Dube University Medical Center in
Durham, North Carolina, and now returns to his home to continue
with a nutrition and exercise program. His problems include
significant obesity and hypertension.
Because of the patient's significant obesity and risk of
joint trauma and pain with impact exercises, we suggest that
Mr. Rudd do the majority of his exercises in the pool. These
exercises can include pool walking, aquatic aerobics or swimming.
If you have any questions or comments regarding this request
please do not hesitate to contact us. We appreciate your coopera-
tion.
Sincerely,
Aimee E. Jordan, P.A.-C.
Fred R. Cobb, M.D.
Director, Duke Center for Living
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Box 3022 Durham,NC 27710
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STEWART TITLE
OF ASPEN, INC.
602 E. HYMAN•ASPEN, COLORADO 81611 •(303)925-3577
August 19 , 1992
Bill Campbell
175 Big Hat
Basalt , CO 81621
RE : 300 foot surrounding property owners of Leslie G . Rudd
Dear Sir ,
A search of the records of this office and those of the
Assessors and Treasurers of Pitkin County , Colorado reveals the
following owners on attached Exhibit "A" .
Although we believe the facts stated are true , this letter
is not to be construed as an abstract of title , nor an opinion
of title , nor a guaranty of title , and it is understood and
agreed that Stewart Title of Aspen , Inc . , neither assumes , nor
will be,-charged with any financial obligations or liability
whate-Ger on any statement contained herein .
Sincerely ,
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Hazel I . Herwick
Title Examiner
Enclosure
LAW OFFICES OF
OATE S, HUGHES & KNEZEVICH
PROFESSIONAL CORPORATION
THIRD FLOOR,ASPEN PLAZA BUILDING
533 EAST HOPKINS AVENUE
LEONARD M. OATES ASPEN, COLORADO 81611
AREA CODE 303
ROBERT W. HUGHES TELEPHONE 920-1700
RICHARD A. KNEZEVICH TELECOPIER 920-1121
TED D. GARDENSWARTZ
OF COUNSEL:
JOHN THOMAS KELLY November 9, 1992
Jan Carney
Board of Adjustment
City of Aspen
130 S. Galena
Aspen, CO 81611
Re: Variance Application - Leslie Rudd
Dear Jan:
Leslie Rudd hereby withdraws his variance application relating
to the therapy pool. Accordingly, please remove Mr. Rudd from the
calendar on Monday, November 23, 1992 . Also, I would appreciate it
if you would convey my thanks to the four members who attended the
last hearing. I appreciate their thoughtfulness, concern, comments
and suggestions.
Sincerely,
OATES'; HUGHES & KNEZEVICH, P.C.
By:-
Ted D. `Gardenswartz
TDG/sc
cc: Leslie Rudd
RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS
BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT OCTOBER 30 1992
Chairman Remo Lavagnino called meeting to order at 12 : 00 noon.
Answering roll call were Ron Erickson, Anne Austin, Rick Head and
Remo Lavagnino.
CASE #92-14
LESLIE J. RUDD
Remo read into record request for variance. (attached in record)
Ted Gardenswartz, Representative for applicant: Presented
affidavit of posting and of mailing. (attached in record)
Anne: What size lot do we have here?
Remo: Is that considered a duplex lot?
Gardenswartz: It is.
Remo: Is it a duplex lot?
Gardenswartz: Yes.
Anne: These are 2 living units here?
Gardenswartz: Yes. I am Ted Gardenswartz representing the
applicant, Mr. Leslie Rudd. This is Bill Campbell who is the
architect on the project for Mr. Rudd.
I think it is important to put this into perspective. This is a
therapy pool for Mr. Rudd. And I read the Land Use Code and as
somebody characterized earlier generally projections which do not
exceed 30 inches below grade can't go in the setback. What this
application is all about is putting this therapy pool into the
setback. As you can see from the drawing the therapy pool has to
be deeper than 30 inches in order for it to have any impact and
any use for Mr. Rudd.
As an initial matter, Mr. Rudd is planning to move here with his
family. He is about 6 foot 2 and weights over 365 pounds. He is
52 years old. He has been diagnosed by doctors at Duke University
as having serious heart and blood pressure problems that are
related to his obesity. The reason we are here is he wants to
build this therapy pool and the pool needs to be 6 feet deep. The
idea of the pool is that he can do water aerobic activity in the
pool that he cannot do according to his doctors on the ground
because of his weight which causes significant problems to his
joints, to his ligaments, etc. So it is not as though he can go
jogging around.
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In a nutshell what we are seeking to do is just go 3 and 1/2 feet
deeper than the 2 and 1/2 feet we could go in building this pool.
And I would say I guess as an initial matter it seems to me that
the visual impact of going an extra 3 and 1/2 feet is non-existent
because the pool is there and it is 2 feet deeper or 10 feet deep
I don't think it has any different visual impact from the street
or from the neighbors perspective or anyone else. So I don't think
that that should be an issue. The real issue is the need for the
therapy.
As you can see from the map there really is nowhere else on the
lot for the therapy pool. It can't really go any closer to the
house. As I understand it that is pretty much a bedroom there or
a bathroom there and for safety reasons and other reasons they
don't want to have it any closer to the house.
All of you have seen Dr. Cobb's follow-up letter. (attached in
record) and I guess what I should probably do is sort of go through
this using your criteria as to what you consider. Obviously
granting a variance should be consistent with the goals and
objectives of the code.
The purpose here is to enhance and foster the public health of Mr.
Rudd and I don't know how to say this without sounding corny. But
it seems to me that given his obesity, given the efforts that' he
has tried for years to deal with this and given the fact that it
now is at a point where his blood pressure or his heart is such
that it is getting more and more critical for him that to some
extent I guess I would analogize this to some sort of a
prescription on a healing art sort of level. And I don't want to
be cynical about that because I think that in real life that is
where he is. And I think that is what his doctors are saying and
I guess it is difficult to imagine getting to that point maybe for
US. But Mr. Rudd is there and he needs this and this is really
his--getting to his last efforts to try to deal with his problem.
Your code also talks about variances that will make a reasonable
use of the parcel or structure. I think it is important to bear
in mind we are only looking to go 3 and 1/2 feet deeper than we are
allowed. The pool needs to be 6 feet. He is going to do his water
aerobics with harnesses and he has got to be standing apparently
at least shoulder depth.
I have an article that the doctor faxed me. It talks about how
when one is submerged up to one's shoulders in the water, 90% of
the weight is removed. So he needs to have the pool to be at least
that deep to have the effect that is intended to have. He also
needs it to be of a size in order for him to motor around in the
pool so that he can get the intended aerobic benefits of this.
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I think a literal interpretation of your code deprives Mr. Rudd of
rights commonly enjoyed by others and certainly would work a
practical difficulty. It seems to me if I were reading the code
that if Mr. Rudd were so inclined, he could build a pool that would
be 5 feet deep by essence of going 30 inches above grade and 30
inches below grade. So the practical difficulty--he could have a
5 foot deep pool if he wanted to. If he had a 5 foot deep pool he
could fill it up to 4 feet 6 or 7 inches of water. I don't know
how much would be displaced but I think what we are really talking
about is one foot. And I think that is the practical difficulty
here. And I would submit that these visual impacts of having a
pool totally below grade rather than having the 30 inches above and
30 inches below would be much less of a visual impact for all the
neighbors.
Remo: You are putting a wall in, right?
Gardenswartz: Yes. And I understand the argument well that this
is a new structure. And I understand the position that he should
have thought about this earlier. He should have designed this pool
to fit in there earlier. He didn't. The pool was not planned
ahead of time. He was at the Duke University this summer. I don't
think he should be punished for that. I think that he is not
trying to end-run anything. He is not trying to get some sort of
a benefit. He is just trying to get this pool to help him. And
it is not, I don't think, a special privilege. I think he could
build a smaller pool if that would work for him and his doctor said
it wouldn't. He could build a pool a foot shallower. And I don't
think that would work either. And I think on a human level what
he is asking for is not that much. And he is asking for your help
so that he can do what his doctors want him to do.
Remo: What intent of putting it--what is the 30 inch below grade.
How does the City arrive at that figure.
Drueding, Zoning Dept: That has been part of the code since I have
been here. The 30 inches--they expanded it to--that is so you
don't have stairs outside.
Remo: Below grade.
Drueding: Yes. Below grade--we don't want people and fire trucks
falling down and we don't want this moat effect going around town.
Remo: But if it is 30 inches below grade and 30 inches above grade
that is 5 feet. That is basically--you are not going to get a fire
truck to get around that either.
Drueding: That is not the only reason for it. Part is so we don't
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have all this moat area around buildings look like they are a 3-
story building when actually they. are a 2 story and they are
looking down like this--to avoid that garden level.
Remo: Did they have pools in mind when they--
Drueding: We have been dealing with the pools and the hot tubs.
They are having to put them--they are complying by building a
platform up.
Rick: Mr. Campbell, could not this pool be moved over and abut the
foundation wall of the house?
Campbell: Yes.
Rick: The reason this is 8 feet wide is so that he has a place
that he can go like this in?
Campbell: Correct.
Rick: Why couldn't he just walk from one end and turn around and
walk back. If, for instance we only gave--by statute you are
allowed to have a pool here that goes all the way to the foundation
wall in which case you wouldn't need a variance.
Campbell: That's right. And--
Rick: So why would we grant you this variance if this could be
accomplished in some other fashion?
Campbell: There is a door here which is access to this courtyard.
Gardenswartz: The idea is that we didn't want somebody to be able
to walk out accidentally and step into the pool.
Remo: How much distance is there from the door to the pool now?
Campbell: 4 and 1/2 feet.
Remo: Well, I could still take one step and go into the pool. I
think that is a safety--you are talking about the health, safety
and welfare. It doesn't sound like that consideration has been
given there to somebody stepping out of that door.
Gardenswartz: If you do it this way at least you have got a step
before you are going to hit the pool. Otherwise you open the door
you are right into the pool. That is the reason.
Remo: With new construction at this point it is not like there is
a door there right now. You can move the door someplace else I am
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sure. This is at a stage in construction where you can, if you
really want that pool in there, make changes to fit your pool in
there it seems to me.
Anne: If this is a garage why couldn't the pool go right here?
Campbell: If you did it would still come out like that.
Anne: What is the size of this thing?
Rick: It is 8 and 1/2 by 6.
Gardenswartz: The doctor told me that he thought it had to be at
least that width. He didn't explain why he can't go back and forth
instead of going around. As I understand it there is going to be
some sort of a harness activity. Maybe that has something to do
with it. He is going to be doing some sort of walking in the water
with a harness as one of his exercises. I don't know that.
Anne: Couldn't he go to the club and do this?
Gardenswartz: I asked about that. The problem with the club is
the consistency on the belt.
Drueding: Before he got his building permit was proposed and we
told him he couldn't do it.
Campbell: The pool was shown on the drawing. It is a different
pool from what we are proposing now. The dimensions are
approximately the same. It is a pre-manufactured resistance
swimming pool called a Swimex. It is only 4 feet deep so we could
have put that in and that was the original plan. This summer after
we started construction he was at Duke and this is when the doctor
proposed the deeper pool. That is why we are here now.
Drueding: The Planning Department's opinion was if this pool is
so necessary it could have been incorporated in the building. We
have got a new duplex building there. It seems like the pool could
have been inside or designed at least within the setbacks.
Campbell: Something changed within the course of construction.
We complied with the code originally. This is a new matter.
Gardenswartz: It was designed to be only a 4 foot pool. And that
is why it was designed this way. We didn't think we would need to
be here. Then when he found out through his doctor that it had to
be deeper than that at that point in time the building was there-
-everything was in place and we now need to have a pool that needs
to go an extra foot deeper than we could go otherwise.
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Drueding: When was this building started?
Campbell: We started construction in June.
Ron: Someone said this is a duplex building. Is it divided into
2 units and who owns the other half.
Campbell: He owns them both right now.
Ron: Is he constructing this building? Did he buy the original
lot and then hired you to construct this building for him?
Campbell: Yes.
Ron: At Duke Center for Living, is that-in-pat-ient- or out-patient?
Gardenswartz: He was there for 10 days as sort of an in patient.
He goes back periodically.
Ron: In other words you go in there and they take care of diet
and they give you these exercises and everything else. It is a
health regimen situation for a limited period of time and then
extended visits are an out-patient basis.
Gardenswartz: Right.
(Mrs. Rudd came in)
Ron: You mentioned that this is a right that his neighbors have
that were withheld if this variance was not granted.
Gardenswartz: I think the right that he has is to ,build a 5 foot
deep pool that his neighbors have. And the right to do a 5 foot
deep pool 30 inches above and 30 inches below.
Remo: We are not denying him that right.
Gardenswartz: We understand that. And I think that the right that
his neighbors have are the right to have an exercise room or have
something that they need to do for their health. And what he needs
for his health is a pool. He can't do a Stairmaster. He can't do
the things that maybe you and I would think of as typical exercises
that his neighbors--
Remo: They don't have that by right. They have it by choice. A
right is something that--we are not denying him a right either.
He could have it inside the house. It has all been there. We
haven't taken anything away from him. It just allows him to do
everything--he is allowed to do. Their neighbors have complied.
No one has done a pool 6 feet. So comparison with something that
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a neighbor has that he is being denied--an exercise room in a
neighbor's house is no parallel to a variance for a pool because
of his particular needs.
The other thing is if he sells the house we are encumbered with a
situation of something that is no longer pertinent and that is
forever.
Gardenswartz: You are not because Mr. Rudd has told me and has
authorized me to tell you that he will deed restrict this property.
He will put on whatever restrictions you want on there because he
is serious about that if he sells this house he will bring this
pool into compliance either by making this 30 inches on this end
of the pool--filling it in--bring it into the setback. He is
willing to do that.
Ron: That's true. The City Attorney has told us that deed
restrictions really don't have a great deal of bearing on any
decisions we make. We should not make any decision based on a deed
restriction.
Anne: It has been recommended to us not to do that.
Gardenswartz: Well, it is an obligation to Mr. Rudd. If Mr. Rudd
were to sell this in violation of that there would be penalties.
He would have to pay something. At some point in time the guy is
willing to say "I am going to deed restrict this thing to bring it
into compliance when I sell it and whatever expense goes with that
I am willing to do that. That is how important this is to me" .
I don't know that you can't believe that he is going to do that.
Susan Rudd: Leslie really is a health risk. It isn't--we are not
just saying that. He is 360 pounds. He is 53 years old. And this
really is his form of exercise. And we are moving here. We have
sold our house in Kansas and he really wants to spend the rest of
his life--but the next couple of years getting in shape. And he
can't walk.
Ron: I personally understand all of this. But I don't understand-
-and that is why would the man with those medical problems put
himself at risk by moving to an altitude where all--from what I
understand--heart problems are excellerated in the altitude.
Rudd: Actually he has never had any heart problems. He has high
blood pressure that just happened. He is actually a very healthy
guy. He used to do 5 or 6 miles a day but now he just can't do it
until he gets the weight off. In the pool he actually wears belts
and then it is running in the water.
Anne: We are supposed to grant a minimum variance. And if this
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pool can be made slightly narrower and set closer to the house then
you don't need a variance.
Gardenswartz: The minimum variance we need is a foot.
Anne: But right now you have got half of the pool over.
Rick: You are talking about a foot in depth.
Remo: But the request is not for that. The request is for 6 feet.
MPT
Gardenswartz: We are allowed 5 foot.
Anne: But they would have to be above grade.
Remo: Your variance is for 3 and 1/2 feet.
Gardenswartz: Our variance is to build a 6 foot pool.
Remo: Your variance request I thought was to go down from grade
level.
Gardenswartz: It is. To 6 feet.
Remo: But that is not the minimum variance that we could grant
you. You could go 30 inches up, 30 inches down. That is 5 feet.
All you need is 12 . That is a minimum variance.
Gardenswartz: You are right. What I would say to you is that I
think that doesn't make sense. You ought to have the whole thing
below grade. If you are going to grant it, the whole thing ought
to be below grade.
Remo: Why would you say that?
Ron: Because the visual impact--
Remo: What visual impact? There is a stone wall around it.
Anyway he is allowed to have 30 inches.
Ron: If I am going to grant this variance at all I would just as
soon let them put it in below grade.
Remo: I wouldn't.
Anne: I agree. I would rather see it below grade. If you pull
it over this way there is less space impact over the setback too.
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Gardenswartz: If we can pull it over so that we can still have the
same width maybe we only come out a foot.
Rick: What does that door access now?
Gardenswartz: The bathroom. That is how he is going to access the
pool.
Anne: Maybe the whole pool could be put up against the house and
moved forward a foot this way.
MPT
Anne: Since it is new construction--since it could have been
planned in there better earlier, I think if you came back with less
impact over the setback it might more palatable.
Gardenswartz: The pool is important. And we are willing to make
it have a minimal impact and if that means under Remo's scenario
you go up 30 inches and you go down 42 inches, that is a
possibility to get the 6 foot pool. If it means that we bring it
closer to the house--
Remo: I think it is a combination of both of those.
Anne: Right now I see this as the ideal situation for the owner.
I want them to make some compromises and come back and say "We will
cut back from our impact on the setback. We will cut back on the
depth. or whatever". I don't have a problem going 6 feet into the
ground.
Gardenswartz: I understand what you are saying. I was thinking
that the ultimate compromise was to say we are going to deed
restrict this thing so that the pool is gone.
Anne: It is the policing of that.
Rick: A question for Mr. Campbell: Could this be accomplished by
moving it and butting it up against the existing house foundation?
Campbell: I think we would still need a variance.
Rick: What if we gave you a foot into the setback? Could you live
with that? What about the door to the bathroom--the shower? Can
you move that down the hall?
Campbell: Anything is possible.
Rick: I would be in favor of doing that if you need a foot or
something like that in here. I could go for that. We are really
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charged with giving you the minimum. The absolute bare minimum and
that seems to fit the bill.
Remo: The bare minimum would also include going up 30 inches.
Rick: Yes. I could go for that.
Gardenswartz: At that point in time it wouldn't be a problem with
the door removed because you wouldn't walk into a 30 inch step.
Anne: Actually with snow in the winter I suppose 30 inches above
grade would be better because you have got your snow depth.
Rick: What is the distance from the existing foundation wall to
the setback?
Campbell: It is about 9 and 1/2 feet.
Rick: And you are asking for 8 and 1/2 feet. So you have actually
got a foot to play with.
Gardenswartz: Well then the pool fits in there.
Rick: But you have got foundation walls. A 6 inch foundation wall
on either side. You need another 3 or 4 to 6 inches. If you are
out an inch or 2, we are not going to--
Remo: No, we wouldn't.
Rick: And then if you could build this thing 3 feet above grade-
Campbell: We wouldn't have to at that point.
Gardenswartz: At that point we could go down 6 feet.
Remo: He could go down 6 feet and he don't even need us here. He
doesn't need a variance.
Anne: But if he needs a little bit of a variance, then he needs
to come back. We can't make an arbitrary decision today, but if
you need a foot we will give you a foot. We need to see what you
are going to do with it.
Campbell: Let's go back to something that was said earlier about
the intent of the code. Because there is nothing in that ordinance
that even addresses pools. It is very specific and specifically
does not address pools. And I am wondering why.
Remo: Because it is a matter of fire engines getting in there and
that is a safety factor.
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Campbell: That doesn't make any sense at all.
Remo: That is what it says. It is a safety factor.
Campbell: Why should fire trucks want to go a little bit more to
the edge of the setback because the setback is different in
different places around the lot. All over town the setback are
different.
Rick: There is a wall all around this whole thing too.
Remo: What is the purpose of the 30 inches going down?
Drueding: It is a safety factor. That is one of the reasons.
Campbell: Can you get more specific?
Drueding: The firemen go running around the side of the house and
they fall into this 6 foot hole.
Campbell: Yes, but at the point of the setback they will fall into
the 6 foot hole.
Gardenswartz: If we move the pool right here they are still going
to fall into a 6 foot pool.
Remo: They have the setback then.
Drueding: The purpose of the setbacks is we don't want clutter.
We don't want holes. We don't want things sticking up. It is
visual. There is safety. All of these reasons we have gone over
many times.
Gardenswartz: I don't think this is visual.
Drueding: In general these are the reasons for setbacks.
Gardenswartz: I don't think safety as a safety for firemen--
Remo: Well, there is a safety. The setback is between houses from
this piece of property to the next.
Gardenswartz: The way it is designed right here they have better
to get around than they would coming around this way.
Remo: It is marginal both ways.
Rick: How big is the foundation wall supporting the house?
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Campbell: 10 inches.
Rick: Would that retain that kind of water pressure if you just
butted up against it and not even build an extra--
Campbell: I don't know.
Remo: Do you have to build this pool from scratch? Or is this a
ready-made.
Campbell: It is from scratch.
Rick: I don't see that you need a variance. If you need a foot
or a couple of inches somewhere then you can come back and see us
but at this point I can't see anything to hang my hat on.
Remo: It would be difficult to give a variance. I don't think the
Board is ready to grant you one based on the information that you
have given us when there are other solutions that would at least
minimize the variance considerably than what you are presenting to
us today. The code was designed for the citizenry in general
rather than one specific person. We have had this come up before
where a person has come to us for a therapeutic pool in the setback
and we were concerned about them selling the house and then we
would be stuck with this pool. And it is exactly what happened.
Gardenswartz: Can we table this?
Remo: Absolutely.
Gardenswartz: We will know by this afternoon whether we even need
to come back. If we do need 3 or 4 inches--
Remo: I will be here this afternoon if you need to table to a date
certain.
After discussion--
Remo: Let's pick a date right now to table to just in case we need
it.
MOTION
Rick: I move to table is case #92-14 to date certain of November
23rd at 4 : OOpm.
Ron seconded the motion with all in favor.
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MINUTES
Rick: I move to approve minutes of #92-13
Anne seconded the motion with all in favor.
Meeting was adjourned. Time was 1: 10pm.
Janice M. Carney, City Deputy Clerk
It should be noted that Mr. Rudd's Attorney, Ted Gardenswartz, sent
a letter withdrawing his request for variance dated November 9,
1992 . (attached in record)
13
NOTICE OF PUBLIC HEARING
CASE #92-14
LESLIE G. RUDD
BEFORE THE CITY OF ASPEN BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT
TO ALL PROPERTY OWNERS AFFECTED BY THE REQUESTED ZONING OR USE
VARIANCE DESCRIBED BELOW:
Pursuant to the Official Code of Aspen of June 25, 1962 , as
amended, a public hearing will be held in the Council Room, City
Hall, Aspen, Colorado, (or at such other place as the meeting may
be then adjourned) to consider an application filed with the said
Board of Adjustment requesting authority for variance from the
provisions of the Zoning Ordinance, Chapter 24, Official Code of
Aspen. All persons affected by the proposed variance are invited
to appear and state their views, protests or objections. If you
cannot appear personally at such meeting, you are urged to state
your views by letter, particularly if you have objection to such
variance, as the Board of Adjustment will give serious
consideration to the opinions of surrounding property owners and
others affected in deciding whether to grant or deny the request
for variance.
Particulars of the hearing and requested variance are as follows:
Date and Time of Meeting:
Date: OCTOBER 30, 1992
Time: NOON
Owner for Variance: Appellant for Variance:
Name: LESLIE G. RUDD TED GARDENSWARTZ
Address: 300 WEST HALLAM
Location or description of propertV:
300 WEST HALLAM
Variance Requested: PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE R-C ZONING
CATEGORY. CHAPTER 24 SEC 3-101 (A) (5) ASPEN MUNICIPAL CODE: SLABS,
PATIOS WHICH DO NOT EXCEED 30 INCHES ABOVE OR BELOW GRADE ARE
PERMITTED INTO REQUIRED SETBACKS. APPLICANT APPEARS TO BE
REQUESTING TO PLACE A THERAPEUTIC POOL IN THE SETBACK EXCEEDING THE
30 INCH BELOW GRADE MAXIMUM; ONE OF 6 FEET DEEP BELOW GRADE.
Will applicant be represented by counsel: Yes: X No:
The City of Aspen Board of Adjustment
130 South Galena Street, Aspen, Colorado 81611
Remo Lavagnino, Chairman Jan Carney Deputy City Clerk
OCT-29-1992 11:00 FROM LESLIE RUDD INU TO 1-0Z)9201121 P.01
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Re:
Dear r2r. Gardenswartzt
Rudd's medical
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prescribed Mr.. Rudd a daily' reg Dint trauma and pain
due tv `rile obesity arad the inherent risk of J our joint
that is associated . with ' .impact exercises.
recomm6ndations after the cons best,
option and tile eon� that would
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provides him the most therapeutic benefits..
it is ' our opinion that in order fox the d pool to epr $,Gis wide and�l8m
therapeutic. of fect, it. must be at least er form the various
long. :These dime-ntions would allow Mr.
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