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REGULAR MEETING HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION NOVEMBER 9TH, 2022
Chairperson Thompson opened the regular meeting of the Aspen Historic Preservation Commission at
4:36pm.
Commissioners in attendance: Jeffrey Halferty, Roger Moyer, Jodi Surfas, Barb Pitchford and Kara
Thompson.
Staff present:
Amy Simon, Planning Director
Ben Anderson, Deputy Director, Community Development
Haley Hart, Long Range Planner
Sophie Varga, Zoning Enforcement Officer
Kate Johnson, Assistant City Attorney
Mike Sear, Deputy City Clerk
Risa Rushmore, Administrative Assistant
MINUTES: Ms. Thompson moved to approve the minutes from 10/12/22. Mr. Moyer seconded. Roll call
vote: Mr. Moyer, yes; Ms. Surfas, yes; Ms. Pitchford, yes; Mr. Halferty, yes; Ms. Thompson, yes. 5-0,
motion passes.
PUBLIC COMMENTS: Mr. David Scruggs asked that HPC consider requesting the applicant for 205 W.
Main to install “story poles” on site and provide three dimensional models of the project.
Ms. Johnson asked the Board to disregard Mr. Scruggs’ comments as those comments need to be made
in the presence of the applicant so they can hear and respond to them.
Ms. Thompson responded to Mr. Scruggs saying that they cannot take any action and let him know that
it was requested of the applicant at the last meeting to provide a 3-dimensional representation of the
project. She invited him to attend the next meeting and make his comments because the applicant does
need to be present.
COMMISSION MEMBER COMMENTS: Mr. Moyer commented that it was important for HPC to be
presented with 3D models. These should show not only the mass and scale of the project itself but of
each side of it as well. He asked that staff request applicants to provide these types of models. He
thought story poles were helpful and encouraged staff to also ask applicants to provide them.
Ms. Simon clarified that the Land Use Code lays out submission requirements and it references visual
representations of the project but is not prescriptive to how the applicant chooses to represent the
project. A Code amendment would need to be made to change this.
DISCLOSURE OF CONFLICTS OF INTEREST: None.
PROJECT MONITORING: Ms. Simon mentioned that she needed to talk with Mr. Halferty and Mr. Moyer
about a few projects.
STAFF COMMENTS: None.
CERTIFICATE OF NO NEGATIVE EFFECT: None.
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CALL UP REPORTS: None.
SUBMIT PUBLIC NOTICE FOR AGENDA ITEMS: Ms. Johnson said that she reviewed public notice, and
that notice was provided per the code for both agenda items. She then confirmed with the applicant
that public notice posting was done on the property at least 15 days prior to today’s hearing. Ms.
Greenwood confirmed that she posted on the property on October 18th.
NEW BUSINESS:
132 W. Hopkins – Final Major Development, PUBLIC HEARING
Applicant Presentation: Gretchen Greenwood – Gretchen Greenwood Architects
Ms. Greenwood stated that nothing had changed since the conceptual approval in March. There will be
an addition on the back and the historic Victorian will be restored. She said she had completed the
conditions on the resolution and is ready to go to the building department once final approval is
granted. She went on to describe what needs to be done to the historic resource and showed the
existing and proposed elevations. As part of her overall preservation and restoration plan, she detailed
the proposed replacement of historic windows, trim, and doors as well as restoration of columns, siding,
and trim detailing. Next, she went over in detail the construction sequencing with an emphasis on the
movement of the house to allow for excavation. She then went over the roof plan and penetrations. She
also detailed the proposed use of a wall hung air conditioning unit to be located on the new addition.
She went over the materials proposed for the front walkway and went over the exterior lighting plan.
She mentioned that proposed material examples are included in the packet but would be a simple
design and she described some of them.
Ms. Thompson asked about the proposed drywell an asked if a micropile wall around it would be
necessary. Ms. Greenwood said she had discussed it with the contractor, and he said it would not be
needed.
Ms. Surfas mentioned that she did not see any information about the preservation plan or lighting in the
packet that they received. Ms. Greenwood said that she did not include them in the packet. Ms. Surfas
then brought up a note included in the packet from the Engineering Department requesting a sidewalk
agreement to create a curb sidewalk around the cottonwood tree to be included at final review. She said
she did not see that agreement in the packet. Ms. Greenwood said she would work with engineering on
that. Ms. Simon clarified that the agreement was still being looked into but is outside HPC’s purview and
would be handled by Parks and Engineering.
Mr. Halferty asked what the distance between the historic resource and the new addition. Ms.
Greenwood said 8” on one side and 9’ 2” on the other. Mr. Halferty then asked about the lightwell, and
Ms. Greenwood said it would have a grate on it. Mr. Halferty asked if there were any wall penetrations
proposed for the historic resource to which Ms. Greenwood said no. Mr. Halferty asked if the proposed
wall hung AC unit would encroach into the setback to which Ms. Greenwood said it would hang about
16” into the setback. Mr. Halferty finished by asking if Ms. Greenwood had had any discussions with
Parks or Engineering about the sidewalk agreement. Ms. Greenwood said she had not.
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Staff Presentation: Amy Simon – Planning Director
Ms. Simon started by going over the site plan for the project and noted that there were no significant
changes from the conceptual approval. She then went over a bit of the history of the house and
reminded the members of the setback variances they granted at conceptual. She showed a historical
picture of the house and went on to describe the conditions in the resolution noting that staff is
recommending approval.
Mr. Halferty asked about the AC unit and if HPC needed to address the setback issues. Ms. Simon said
the ability to grant setbacks ended at conceptual review, so the applicant will need to meet the setback
requirements and that Zoning will determine where the unit will need to be located.
PUBLIC COMMENT: None.
BOARD DISCUSSION: Ms. Thompson agreed that Ms. Greenwood did a good job of keeping the plans
consistent from what was presented and approved at conceptual through to final review. She thought
that all the conditions that Ms. Simon presented were valid and was in favor of approval with all the
conditions noted in the resolution.
Mr. Moyer agreed with staff that it should be approved with the conditions.
Ms. Surfas said that as long as all the conditions are met it is acceptable to approve with conditions.
Ms. Pitchford agreed with Mr. Moyer and Ms. Surfas and asked if the additional information would be
sent to the board or just staff. Ms. Thompson said it would be provided to staff and whoever the
monitor ends up being for the project.
Mr. Halferty did not like a piecemeal approach as it adds to staff and monitor responsibilities to handle
what usually is presented at final review but noted that Ms. Greenwood did a thorough job with the civil
and structural details. He was in agreement with staff’s conditions.
MOTION: Ms. Thompson motioned to approve the next resolution in the series with the conditions
presented by staff. Mr. Moyer seconded. Roll call vote: Mr. Moyer, yes; Ms. Surfas, yes; Ms. Pitchford,
yes; Mr. Halferty, yes; Ms. Thompson, yes. 5-0: All in favor, motion passes.
Mr. Moyer and Ms. Pitchford were assigned as monitors for the project (132 W. Hopkins). Ms.
Thompson was assigned to be monitor on the 520 E. Cooper project from the last meeting.
OTHER BUSINESS:
Outdoor Lighting Standards – Code Update Presentation and Discussion
Staff Presentation – Ben Anderson – Deputy Director – Community Development
Mr. Anderson introduced Ms. Hart and Ms. Varga and mentioned that they are working with himself and
their consultant team on updated the City’s outdoor lighting code. He then went over staff’s Lighting
Code Update presentation. This included issues with the current code and why they are proposing an
update as well as some of the framework they are looking at in updating the code. There was discussion
and Q&A between HPC commissioners and Mr. Anderson. Mr. Anderson finished his presentation by
asking a few questions of the HPC commissioners to gain some ideas to move forward with. These
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questions focused on what outdoor lighting should be like or what outcomes it should achieve. Also, in
the commissioner’s own experience living and working in town, if they had any concerns related to
outdoor lighting that should be considered. There was some back-and-forth discussion of ideas and
concerns.
There was then some discussion between the members and staff regarding their meeting formats and
whether they should be in-person or virtual. Ms. Johnson mentioned that the only real direction she has
received from City Council is that the switching between both formats may be causing some confusion
amongst citizens. Ms. Thompson suggested that the discussion be had with the whole board.
ADJOURN: Ms. Thompson motioned to adjourn the regular meeting. Mr. Moyer seconded. All in favor;
motion passes.
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Mike Sear, Deputy City Clerk