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HomeMy WebLinkAboutcoa.cclc.ag.091714 COMMERCIAL CORE & LODGING COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING SISTER CITIES MEETING ROOM September 17, 2014 8:30 A.M. 8:30 I. Roll call and approval of minutes— September 3, 2014 minutes. II. Public Comments not on the agenda (please limit your comments to 3 minutes) III. Liquidation sales — discussion IV. Hyman mall — outside dining density V. Adjourn CCLC - 9/3/14 - Mall Lease Discussion Restaurant Presence: Brad Smith - Red Onion, Joe Flammer- Finnbar, Junior- Mezzaluna, Doug Kidder, Rob Itner- Rustique, Bruce Berger- BB's Kitchen, Gil - Brunelleschis, Aiden - El Rincon General Comments: • Too Dense (too many seats available on malls, not able to pass through or walk easily) • Not equitable to restaurants not on mall. Price per square foot too low. Would rather see the market bear the price. • What is the overall vision for the mall/outdoor dining, what is the goal? • Unified lighting and possible "tarp" would be okay. If capital cost was included in some sort of CAM for lessees. • 3 major pieces to designing Outdoor Dining/Mall Lease guidelines and regulations: o Density • What should the density (aesthetic look and feel) be from the perspective of the guest • What density (seating capacity) is needed to make sense for business (group consensus was 20-25 seats) o Guidelines (further defined aspects of lease) • Appearance (umbrellas, lighting, cleanliness, storage, etc) • Table Density • Table Size • Chair Size • Term (annual, multi year) • Hours of operation/start and end dates for season • Music (falls under city ordinance) o Economics (what is equitable formula for granting lease and cost of lease. This was mainly for non-contiguous leases) • Group consensus centered around RFP including look/feel of space as well as price to be paid. Letting the market determine the price. Mentioned was - straight "Highest Bidder Wins". • Including a CAM to cover electric, lighting, tents, heaters, etc. • How to bring price of Mall Leases closer to that of what is paid privately. Commercial Core & Lodging Commission Minutes of September 3, 2014 Vice-Chair, Riley Tippet called the meeting to order at 8:30 a.m. Commissioners in attendance were: Bill Dinsmoor, Terry Butler, Fred Ayarza and Kiki Raj. Siam Castillo was absent. Staff. Kathy Strickland, Chief Deputy Clerk Dan Nelson, Parks Superintendent MOTION: Fred moved to approve the minutes of August 201h second by Bill. All in favor, motion carried. Dan said they got through Mother Lode and are ready for Rugger Fest. The Parks Department is focusing on winter. Saturday Market— Kathy said Little Annie's is closed until December and I have two people going into that space. Jean-Robert's 3D printing is requesting to also go in the space for the remainder of the market. JR. said he was in Hong Kong and 3D printers are taking off. You can do a computer file and use different heating temperatures. The plastic goes through and does one layer at a time. The plastic is all corn based and biodegradable. We want to expose this to children and be visionary. People have an idea and we design it. JR said you can do handicapped aspects, designer aspect and art that people will need on a daily basis. The machine has to be calibrated. Fred asked if they would demonstrate. J.R said yes they would demonstrate and get a generator or use the light poll. Some kids can come up with ideas. You build it as you go. The eco system will change. You can download anything. The machine is make in Loveland Colorado. They are coming up with new forms of filament. A wood material is coming up next. There is another machine can gets hotter and it will print ceramics. The software gets better and better. 11 Page Commercial Core & Lodging Commission Minutes of September 3, 2014 Outdoor dining/mall leases Riley said we are trying to create guidelines for outdoor dining in general. What is the overall goal? What is your vision for the outside dining? Bill said the goal is to maximize the user for outside dining. We need a vision of outdoor space. Brad Smith—Red Onion— Our landlord is trying to sprinkle the buildings to enhance the possibility of using the center on Cooper Ave. Brad said regarding lighting and shade I don't know the answer. On our patio if you went to the middle you wouldn't need the umbrellas due to the trees. Amplified music needs amended in the mall lease. One guy with an acoustic guitar is needed. Bill said the code says you need to be under the decibel level. Riley said having the information from all our meetings will help the other departments who are making the decisions about the mall and outside dining. Brad said if restaurants have patio space maybe someone else should possibly get the mall space. Aiden, El Rinko — should the patio space be at a premium? How do you decide who pays what. Junior, Mezalluna said we pay for our outside lease. It is great energy and the fee should be on a level playing field. Last week the city came and said remove the sides because you can't see the sky. You need to work with the city so we all are working together. Doug Kitter, ACRA restaurant representative. Doug said he sent out four questions and outside I have talked to owners and restaurant owners. The current sizes in the mall are currently too large. No more leases should be extended in the center. Currently the city pays for the lighting and upkeep. The majority of people think no one should be in the center. If there are existing patios that should be the only ones allowed. People feel the city is 21 Page Commercial Core & Lodging Commission Minutes of September 3, 2014 subsidizing mall businesses. The mall leases are taking away from existing restaurants and who is the mall lease good for. Length of lease. Leases should be seasonal. Currently the mall area on Hyman is to dense. Lighting should be allowed but at the expense of the individual businesses and comply with the lighting code. Bill said the capitalization for one year is high. Aiden, El Rincon said the rents need to be raised. Rob Ittner, Rustique restaurant said the mall is about the vitality of downtown. We want people to come back again and that is the ultimate goal. You need to balance that with the existing businesses. XMAS lights are not in front of Rustiques but lights are provided to other businesses. If you had half as many seats in the Hyman mall the vitality would still be there. You need to make an equity formula and you limit the square footage. Walking through the mall is a chore for the elderly. During the remodel that should be a consideration. The vitality of the mall needs to have more walking space. Kiki said there are way too many seats on the Hyman mall. You can't get from one side to the other. Junior, Mezalluna said you need to be able to walk in the center of the mall and be able to cross back and forth. Rob Ittner, Rustiques said they are paying for employee housing and the mall leases are not paying anything. Bruce Berger BB's kitchen said the city doesn't charge properly. The mall was created for a pedestrian friendly area. No one even knows the stream is there. You have narrowed the mall down and waiters are running back and forth. Downtown is being decimated by the mall leases. It is so over the top right now. Density limitation is a concern. Put your mall space up against your building where they are contiguous. Gill, Brunelleschi's said the city shouldn't care if people are making money. Rob Ittner said he would approach it from a P&L standpoint. Somewhere between 15 and 25 tables per restaurant. 3 1 P a g e Commercial Core & Lodging Commission Minutes of September 3, 2014 Gill said any table is profitable. Terry said we are grappling with the mall leases and we are trying to come up with something equitable for everyone. I am affected by the noise from the restaurants. In Europe you have restaurants with a few tables. Maybe everyone can get a little bit. We want it attractive so people will go into the stores. The tables on the mall last week were half empty. It looks like a storage facility. Gill said the strip in the middle is decimated. Bill said when the mall was built they were never conceived to have alfresco dining. The trees will probably be replaced because they are too large. Bill said we also have to address the seating on the sidewalks. Brad Smith, Red Onion said his neighbors would prefer if he was in the middle. Bruce Berger said people aren't going to the malls to shop only to eat because it is uncomfortable. Rob Ittner said the $3:00 number is not fair. Bruce Berger suggested doing an auction system. Make the person make the investment and balance the density. Aspen is about quality. That mall didn't do anything for the Aspen brand. It is dollars, amenities and guidelines. You can't store you chairs on the street at night so why should you be storing them in the center of the mall. Doug Kidder said he doesn't think bars are what we want downtown on the mall. I do not want my child exposed to that. Terry said the auction is a good idea. Riley said we have equitability issues and we want to create a quality product. Bruce Berger suggested getting someone to run the mall leases. Rob Ittner suggested an RFP. Bruce Berger said you need to decide what the mall needs to look like. 4 1 P a g e Commercial Core & Lodging Commission Minutes of September 3, 2014 Fred said maybe the tables and chairs could be used in the morning for people who want the sit down and have coffee. Bill said the tables and chairs could be used for the public. Bill mentioned the appropriate size of table and chairs laid out according to the allowable dimension. Bruce Berger said a designed mall and uniformity is OK. Rob Ittner said we pay triple net. The city needs to determine the goals of vitality. Bruce Berger said the non-eating person wants an experience which is there. There is an unfair advantage already. Doug said the CCLC needs to set the guidelines with appearance and they should come with a business proposal before the auction occurs. Us an RFP process. Brad Smith suggested changing the mall lease dates so they can go out on a nice day. 3D printing MOTION: Fred made the motion to let Jr. in until the end of the market second by Terry. All in favor, motion carried. Bike race: Bill said the city needs to ask what is the goal of the bike race? Where does the money go? We also need an independent audit. Kiki said the bike race needs to be quantified. Bill said they shut down the town on Monday. MOTION: Fred moved to adjourn; second by Terry. All in favor, motion carried. Meeting adjourned at 10:30 a.m. Kathleen J. Strickland, Chief Deputy Clerk 5 1 Page