HomeMy WebLinkAboutminutes.council.19850826Regular Meetin~ Aspen City Council August 26, 1985
JOINT MEETING WITH COUNTY COMMISSIONERS
The meeting was called to order at 4:10 p.m. at the Wheeler
Opera House, Aspen, Colorado, With Councilmembers Fallin,
Walls, Isaac, and Mayor Stirling and Commissioners Child,
Braudis, Madsen and Blake present.
1. Roaring Fork Transit Agency Supplemental Appropriation
Tom Oken, county finance director, told the Boards this is the
first budget change under the new procedure, which is any budget
change over $10,000 and over 10 percent of the existing program
should come the Boards for review. The RFTA Board approved
these changes and this has been advertised as a public hearing.
There are six significant changes in the budget resolution. 1.
direct costs and revenues relating to the Aspen Skiing Company
contract. 2. RFTA uniforms, 3. building maintenance and
administrative staff increases, 4. Operating costs for the bus
barn in excess of original projections, 5. increased interest
income, and 6. implementation of new transit sales tax and
replacement of the city and county contributions.
Oken told the Boards the net effect is adding $70,000 in reven-
ues. RFTA started the year with $15,000 net revenue for a total
of $85,000. Oken said RFTA has five funds; debt service,
operating fund, capital fund, and two grant related funds. Oken
pointed out the January 1985 fund balance was $700,000 with the
net changes of $85,000, and the estimated year end fund balance
for RFTA will be $789,000 and the estimated yeaD~end balance for
the capital fund is $311,000 for a total of $1,100,000. Oken
said the two grant funds will be cleared out this year.
Madsen asked if there are plans for this balance. Bruce Abel,
RFTA director, told the Boards during the budget process, they
will look at projects from the fund balance. Oken said the RFTA
Board has not made designations for their fund balance yet. The
Board has not approved setting aside a reserve for contingency.
They need a certain amount of fund balance to cover the cash
flow lag inherent in sales tax collections. Oken said he
anticipates making policy decision about the level of reserve of
fund balances. RFTA was set up purposely with significant
reserves. Madsen pointed out it is not clear yet whether the
extra 1 cent of sales tax may be too much and not all needed for
bus operations. Abel told the Boards RFTA has received a number
of requests for additional projects, which will be addressed
next week.
Mayor Stirling asked why the direct costs of the Ski Company
contract were not budgeted originally. Abel said in the original
budget the Ski Company contract was looked at as being a wash;
this has been added as part of the formal budget document. Abel
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said at last year's budget process, there was no history to base
the operating costs of the bus barn on, and this year they will
know the realistic utility costs. Child asked if there is any
potential for reducing the utility costs. Abel said they may be
able to set up tighter operating standards.
Eve Homeyer, RFTA Chairman, said consolidation of transportation
has been very positive, a good fund balance resulted without
cutting service or changing anything for one year. Ms. Homeyer
said there has been some criticism because RFTA has not been
responsive to the city's request, but RFTA was bound for a year
to keep everything the way it was. RFTA has held two public
hearings to see how people feel about additional service. Mayor
Stifling said there is a joint work session September 3 at 4
p.m. with RFTA.
Councilwoman Walls said the RFTA Board was organized as total
transportation element, and asked if RFTA has any ideas of how
to deal with Trailways. Abel said RFTA has been working with
the planning department. The city has requested the planning
department move transportation to a high priority. Abel said
RFTA will be hiring a consultant to help with an UMTA required 5
year transit development program, an analysis of the transit
system and how the community wants the system to develop over
the next 5 years. Abel said the staff feels it would be cost
effective to broaden the scope of RFTA's study to look at
downtown terminal, interface with other transportation providers,
the downtown circulations patterns. Councilwoman Walls said the
trolleys ought to be included in this study. Councilwoman Walls
asked about electric buses. Abel said it is an excellent idea;
however, no one has put together a vehicle to run on electric
power. Abel said propane vehicles are an alternative that can
be looked at.
Councilwoman Walls moved to accept the supplemental budget
appropriation; seconded by Councilwoman Fallin.
Mayor Stifling opened the public hearing. There were no com-
ments. Mayor Stirling closed the public hearing.
Roll call vote; Councilmembers Fallin, yes; Isaac, yes; Walls,
yes; Mayor Stifling, yes. Motion carried.
Commissioner Child moved to approve the supplemental appropria-
tions; seconded by Commissioner Braudis. All in favor, motion
carried.
2. Senior Housing Report. Glenn Scott, representing the task
force on senior housing and services, would like the Board to
conceptually approve this program. Scott said this task force
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was appointed in December and has been meeting regularly. The
task force updated the information available about the character-
istics of the senior population. The results of the survey
showed the characteristics of the senior population are basically
the same as anywhere else. About 20% of the senior population
is considered frail; 4% will require nursing care; 40% of the
senior population are "at risk" and need services occasionally.
Scott told the Boards they have identified some gaps; there are
no cooperatives, no caretaker units, group homes are lacking,
there is no nursing home service.
Scott said the task force needs to take some action to fill out
the services currently being offered, to add some new services,
to provide more and different housing options. Scott also
recommended there be a continuum of care provided, from indepen-
dent living to hospital care. Scott said the program needs to
be organized and coordinated. Scott said the task force feels
if more choices are provided, more people will stay in the
community. Scott said it will be necessary to cross over the
political boundaries to achieve a broad range program, and the
funding will come from a multiple of sources.
Scott said they have held some public forums, and from these
recommend the task force be kept in place as the implementing
body, get as many agencies involved as possible. Scott recom-
mended creating some form of umbrella organization to take over
and manage the program. Scott said for financing, each agency
would incorporate a seniors elements into their program. Special
projects should be considered individually. There should be
interplay between the public and private sectors for these
program. The existing agencies need to beef up their services.
The report recommends increasing awareness in the community about
involving seniors in their activities.
Scott said the independent living units at the community center
should continue. The housing authority should continue to
develop additional independent units. Other housing ideas
should be developed. The hospital district is considering
service supported units at the hospital. The long range program
for 5 years can evaluate what works and what does not work.
Mayor Stirling asked if any effort has been made to include
seniors in the city's recreation program. City Manager ~al
Schilling said this has not been focused upon, the capacity is
there.
Mayor Stifling asked how the umbrella organization will be
formed and funded. Scott said the most viable possibility is
the creation of a "health district" with some restructuring of
the hospital district. Scott told the Boards he is investigating
this possibility under the current service plan. Scott said if
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the Boards think what has been done so far is good, the task
force would like the Boards' endorsement and they will keep
moving forward.
Mayor Stifling moved to affirm the implementation of the action
plan as proposed by the task force; Seconded by Councilwoman
Fallin. All in favor, motion carried.
COUNCIL MEETING
CITIZEN PARTICIPATION
1. Olive Trescott asked that her encroachment license be added
to the agenda. Mayor Stirling said the Council wants to devote
as much time to the proposed clean indoor air act and the
fireplace ordinance. Ms. Trescott said she has been waiting
construction on this request. Jay Hammond, city engineer, told
Council is is an encroachment request for a garage which encroa-
ches 4 inches.
Councilman Isaac moved to add this to the agenda; seconded by
Councilman Collins. All in favor, with the exception of Mayor
Stifling. Motion carried.
2. Craig Ward requested the Nordic council items be added to
the agenda. Councilman Isaac moved to add the Nordic Council to
the agenda because of the time element; seconded by Councilman
Collins. All in favor with the exception of Councilmembers
Walls, Fallin and Mayor Stirling. Motion NOT carried
3. Gary Plumley, representing the CCLC, requested reinstatement
of an agenda item for the lighting block. Councilman Isaac
moved to add this to the agenda. Motion DIES for lack of a
second.
Suzanne Caskey told Council the CAAB and staff is recommending
that the woodburning amendments be tabled, which will give
Council some extra time.
Mayor Stirling moved to reconsider the Nordic Council's request;
seconded by Councilman Isaac. All in favor, with the exception
of Councilmembers Walls, and Fallin. Motion carried.
Mayor Stirling moved to add the mock up block CCLC item to the
agenda; seconded by Councilman Isaac. All in favor, with the
exception of Councilmembers Fallin and Collins. Motion carried.
COUNCILMEMBER COMMENTS
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1. Councilwoman Walls said Council received a copy of a letter
objecting to the way the Mayor handled the first reading of the
Clean Indoor Air Act. The letter stated that the public was not
allowed to speak but the Mayor was. Councilwoman Walls said
procedurally a first reading is not a public hearing, and
Council has an opportunity to express its opinions. Councilwoman
Walls said she does not feel a Council meeting is an appropriate
place for unlimited time spent on speeches by Councilmembers.
Councilwoman Walls said Council ought to be able to summarize
their thoughts in a few minutes. Councilwoman Walls suggested
if a Councilmembers wants to expand on a subject, a written memo
could be circulated to Council and the press. Councilwoman
Walls said she would like to see a limit on debate. Councilwoman
Fallin agreed.
2. Councilwoman Fallin said there is a memorandum from
engineering about the location of the snow dump and suggested
some time on the September 3 work session. This needs to be
resolved soon. Mayor Stifling suggested adding this to the
September 9 meeting.
3. Councilman Isaac said Council received a letter from
Senator Hart's office asking for reaction to Senate Bill 1162,
transportation of radioactive waste. Councilman Isaac said he
would like staff to comment as this legislation does not go far
enough addressing the needs in this area. Mayor Stirling sug-
gested sending the resolution adopted by Council earlier with a
cover letter asking for firmer action.
4. Councilman Isaac said Council met last week with the M.A.A.
committees. Councilman Isaac told Council he heard back from
the Institute that they do not want a meeting at this time.
5. Councilman Collins said he would like a report at the next
Council about the new Maroon Creek diversion dam. Councilman
Collins said he would also like a report on the Prospector
Lodge/timeshare project.
6. Councilman Collins said he would like a status report on
the Aspen Mountain Lodge project, when construction will start,
or if the project will be status quo for another winter.
7. Mayor Stirling changed the meeting with the Historic
Preservation Commission to September 3 study session.
8. Mayor Stirling reminded Council August 30 at 1 p.m. at the
Aspen Club will be Council's goals session.
9. Mayor Stirling proclaimed August 30 Mark Joseph day. Mayor
Stirling said the Aspen stage of the Coors bicycle race was an
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unprecedented success. Mayor Stirling read the proclamation
into the record.
10. Councilman Isaac noted Council has received a letter about
the Sinclair property, and he would like to discuss it along with
the transportation element.
ORDINANCE #35, SERIES OF 1985 - Clean Indoor Air Act
Councilman Isaac presented some amendments to the ordinance.
One is to change the word "prohibit" to "control and limit."
Section 11-4.4(f) "Eating establishments" adding to "except in
specially designated smoking areas the total ~square footage of
which is less than the non-smoking area". Also adding to (f)
that the smoking of pipes and cigars shall be prohibited.
Adding to the end of this section "until June 1, 1986, in
recognition of the time which may be required in some establish-
ments to create physically separated and independently ventilated
smoking areas, an eating establishment shall be deemed to be in
compliance with the smoking area exception herein above by
designating a separate area, the square footage of which shall be
less than the non-smoking area, even though such area is not
physically separated from the non-smoking area or independently
ventilated. Physical separated and independent ventilation shall
be required in any smoking area of the facility after June 1,
1986.
Councilman Isaac said the Council has already deleted
11-4.6(d)(2) and it should be taken out of the ordinance.
Councilman Isaac said he would like to delete Section 11-4.9(e)
stating any citizen can bring legal action, because it is
redundant. In the penalty section, Councilman Isaac would like
to delete "or imprisonment in the county jail for not more than
90 days or both".
Councilman Isaac moved to amend "prohibit" to "control and
limit" smoking; seconded by Councilwoman Fallin. All in favor,
motion carried.
Councilman Isaac moved to amend Section 11-4.4(f) as outlined
above; seconded by Councilwoman Walls.
The audience questioned if this was the entire establishment,
including the bar area. Fred Peirce suggested clarifying by
adding "the total square footage of the seating area for restau-
rants". Councilman Isaac said this amendment is to allow
restaurants time to find out how much of their restaurants are
needed for smoking and for non-smoking . Mayor Stirling said to
designate anything less than 100 percent non-smoking in restaura-
nts, does not address the essential health problems. Mayor
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Stifling recommended adopting this ordinance as is, and taking
it to the electorate to be ratified in May 1987. This way the
city would know if the overall concept is working. Mayor
Stifling said the language in this amendment should be clarified,
if adopted.
Councilman Isaac amended his amendment to state "the total
square footage of the dining area"; seconded by Councilwoman
Walls. All in favor, with the exception of Mayor Stirling.
Motion carried.
Councilman Isaac moved to delete Section 11-4.9(e); seconded by
Councilwoman Fallin. City Attorney Taddune told Council any
citizen would have a common law action for nuisance for violating
a health and safety ordinance. Taddune said the question of
attorney's fees has been governed by state statute rather than
local law. All in favor, motion carried.
Councilman Isaac moved to delete in Section 2 the words "or
imprisonment in the county jail for a period of not more than 90
days, or both, at the discretion of the court; seconded by
Councilman Collins. All in favor, motion carried.
Mayor Stifling opened the public hearing. Councilwoman Walls
suggested Council set a time limit per speaker. Mayor Stifling
suggested one minute per speaker. Councilman Collins brought up
Section 11-4.6(a)(4), "In any dispute arising under the smoking
policy, the rights of the nonsmoker shall be given precedence"
and questioned the legality of this and due process and giving
prior prejudice to the smoker. Taddune said he agrees this may
be improper, and will do research to see if there is case law.
Mayor Stifling entered into the public record letters regarding
this ordinance. Letters against the ordinance from Sirous
Saghatoslami, Monica Hose, Ruth Mularz, George Odier, Aspen
Restaurant Association, Casey Coffman. Letters from Hotel
Denver saying their non-smoking sections work, Sheldon Fingerman
suggested non-smoking sections rather than a total ban, Dick
Butera, suggesting areas, King Thompson in favor of areas, Jody
Bay, suggesting section. Letter from a doctor in California in
favor of a total ban; Ralph Woodward in support; Edwin Peterson
in support; letter from the Wienerstube in favor; letters from
Photographers Aspen in favor of total ban; Bud Wilson, in
support; Roz Hewey, in support; Murray Pope, in support; Dottie
Fox, in support; Ellen Marshall, opposed to the ordinance; Jan
Hose, in support; Gus Hallum, in support Of the ordinance; John
Walla, requesting to work on a better ordinance.
Sirous Saghatoslami said the government should be objective in
coming up with solutions to accommodate disputing segments
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rather than taking sides. Saghatoslami said the non-smoking
side seems to be getting preferential treatment. Saghatoslami
urged Council to exercise pragmatism in solving this problem.
Candi Shaffron supported the total ban, cigarettes in restaurants
can offend other people. Jeanie Lemos supported the total ban
and said the government has to enter in and take care of what is
not being done. Dr. Whitcomb said tobacco is one of the most
addicting compounds, and the government has to get involved
because this is an irrational situation.
Ron Joseph said this ordinance is not ready to be implemented
and will cause problems. Aspen is a tourist town, and the
economic impact on the people working in restaurants should be
considered. Ken Reid said there is no doubt second hand smoke
is harmful, and is in favor of this ordinance. Pat Richards
said this ordinance is a response to the fact that people are
not taking responsibility for themselves. Richards said he
against this ordinance. Phil Victors said he does not support
the smoking ban, Council has not done any economic impact
studies. Council is trying to take private entrepenuership out
of the hands of individuals. Victors said his retail store is
not a public place; he pays the bills.
Stacy Standley said his Council in the 70s did not have the
courage to pass a no smoking ordinance and was faced with the
same economic information. Standley said Aspen is the class act
in ski resorts, and should show leadership whenever possible in
dealing with the public health and well being of the guests.
Joseph Meyer, Clean Air Advisory Board, said he would like to
be allowed to be a non-smoker, which is not allowed in restaur-
ants. The idea of not having sections is to simplify things
for the restaurants and make it easier. Meyer said he did not
feel there is any evidence of adverse economic impact.
Jeffrey Evans said he does not feel anyone will get hurt economi-
cally. Frank Spofford said he does not agree with Ordinance
#35, and there should be some type of compromise. Klaus Christ
said he is against government interference, and this ordinance
is an unnecessary burden on the restauranteurs. Dick Butera
suggested a compromise to deal with the fact of economic
interests to pass an ordinance stating no smoking in any public
place in Aspen except where signs are posted stating smoking
permitted. This would allow the restaurantour to have a choice
based on their market.
Jon Busch said many more people do not smoke than smoke and is
in favor of this ordinance. Robert Morris said there should be
sections as a courtesy to guests and supports the ordinance.
Jim Curtis told Council he supports smoking sections and having
Council take leadership on a phase-in basis and then letting the
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market place determine. Suzanne Caskey, representing the Clean
Air Advisory Board, told Council CAAB supports Ordinance #35 and
achieving clean indoor air for citizens and guests. Ms. Caskey
said the CAAB found it impossible to ignore the harmful effects
of passive smoking, and urged Council to pass this ordinance.
Callie Peirce said the only way to have no smoking is to pass
legislation. Terry Crocow told Council she is in total support
of the ban, and it is time to look at the health and well being
of people. Josh Saslove pointed out the difference in Stapleton
airport since the smoking ban. Saslove said an ordinance of
this type will make it easier for employees in restaurants. Don
Lemos said the amendments have watered this down so that smokers
would not be so offended. Lemos said he is in favor of the
ordinance.
Suzie Baker said restaurants should supply sections and this
ordinance will require employees to tell people they cannot
smoke. Pete Meersman, Colorado Wyoming Restaurant Association,
told Council the restaurant operators are concerned with econo-
mics, and some sort of compromise should be reached. The
Colorado Springs law allows the percentage of sections to
fluctuate according to the demands of the customers. Ray
Lucchini, restaurant owner, said the ordinance states if the
facility if primarily used for bar purposes, there will be no
smoking. Lucchini said his restaurant serves 60 percent alcohol
and 40 percent food sales. Lucchini questioned what "primarily"
means. Taddune said the intention is that the eating area of a
facility would be governed by this ordinance. Councilwoman
Fallin asked if restaurants could ask for exemption from some
body.
Taddune said there is language allowing operators to request a
variance based on circumstances. Lucchini said his business is
primarily selling alcohol. Mayor Stirling said he feels the
ordinance would include this establishment. Taddune said the
dilemma is for an establishment which focuses primarily on
drinking, even though food service is required. Jim Mollica said
he never realized how many people are against smoking until he
started working on this ordinance. Mollica said he feels 100
percent no smoking is more practical for everyone involved.
Mollica said he does not feel Aspen will lose business because of
the non smoking ban but rather people will come here because of
it. Mollica said he would like to see this issue go to an
election.
Mark Rockwood said people need initiative to stop smoking and is
in favor of the ordinance. Fred Peirce supports the ordinance as
written; it is clear there are health issues involved. The
government should be involved where there are health issues.
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Dan Gold said medically it can be proved secondary smoke is
harmful. Gold pointed out the major industry in Aspen is not
worried about this ordinance. Bill Venner told Council he
supports this ordinance. Dan McArty, business owner, supports
the ordinance and has never lost a customer by asking them not
to smoke.
Monica Hose said the way the ordinance is written is wrong.
There are economic factors to look at and the Council should
study these. Butera pointed out all restaurant owners will want
variance hearings; there will be various interpretations the way
this ordinance is written. Butera reiterated there should be no
smoking in a public place, except where the owner posts a sign
"smoking permitted". This would eliminate hearings, interpreta-
tions, police, and controversy. Whitcomb said tobacco kills
people and would not like to sit next to someone smoking.
Sirous Saghatoslami said he also has a problem with what consti-
tutes a bar and what constitutes a restaurant. At the Tippler
apres ski, he serves appetizers as a courtesy and food is only 1
percent of the daily gross. Saghatoslami said this should be
clarified.
Spence Videon, Aspen Resort Association, told Council they took
a stand on the original Ordinance #35, which was against the
ordinance and questioned how it would be enforced. Videon said
he agreed with Butera, to allow the free market to determine
what will happen. John Walla told Council this is a resort and
depends on people coming to Aspen. Walla said a 1 or 2 percent
change in business could affect a lot of businesses. Walla said
he was under the impression this ordinance would be reviewed at
a certain time in the future. Taddune said he recommended not
to add this into the ordinance. Walla said this ordinance will
be 100 percent no smoking unless a restaurant puts in time and
money to physically separate and independently ventilate the
smoking section.
Stacy Standley said what Butera is suggesting is not an alterna-
tive; it is a "do nothing" situation. Edith Dunn said the most
important aspect of this is the health problem. Jeffrey Evans
said this ordinance is fair because it effects all businessmen
equally. Sharon Moltica said after the EPA reports, people
cannot not pass legislation on smoking. Ms. Mollica thanked
Council for their efforts and said she favors the "phase in"
approach as long as the goal is to separate the air space for
non-smokers. Ms. Mollica presented a petition with about 1,000
signatures in support of this and letters in support of this
also. Doug Besant, restaurant association, said Council should
re-write this ordinance before passing it as there is confusion
in the language. Joseph Meyer said the 100 no smoking ban is
much more fair and eliminates competition between restaurants.
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Mayor Stifling closed the public hearing.
Councilwoman Fallin said she would like the review of this
ordinance be put into the ordinance. Taddune said this can be
incorporated into the ordinance, but is a political rather than
legal statement. Councilwoman Fallin said she would like a time
to have comments from restaurants and citizens on how well
this ordinances is working before any structural changes. Mayor
Stirling recommended submitting this to the regular municipal
election in May 1987, which would have given everyone two winter
seasons to see how this is working. Councilwoman Walls said for
simplicity, the ordinance should not include an election date.
Council can always decide whether or not to put something on a
ballot. Adding an election date in the ordinance would require
Council to put this to the voters.
Councilwoman Walls moved to adopt Ordinance #35, Series of 1985,
as amended; seconded by Councilman Isaac.
Councilman Isaac asked if Council can vote on this ordinance now
and have the city attorney Taddune clean up the language in
11-4.4(f). Taddune said Council can vote on the refined language
at the next regular meeting. Mayor Stifling said this ordinance
was citizen-initiated, and Council has responded. Mayor Stifling
said he preferred the ordinance before it was amended as it was
applied equally. Mayor Stirling contended in one or two years,
it may be inconceivable for people to smoke in restaurants.
Mayor Stirling said there is a heightened awareness of citizens.
Mayor Stifling said smoking is a health issue, and it is time
for Council to pass some legislation.
Councilman Collins said restaurants are private businesses and
if people do not like the menu or service, they do not have to
go to those restaurants. Councilman Collins said the costs to
restaurants to have physically separated and independently
ventilated areas for smoking will be prohibitive and will be
difficult to achieve. Councilman Collins questioned the need to
bring in government, creating another layer of staff to adminis-
ter and enforce the program Councilman Collins said if 80 or
90 percent of the population does not smoke, it would be in
restaurant's best interests to have no smoking.
Roll call vote; Councilmembers Isaac, yes; Fallin, yes; Walls,
yes; Collins, no; Mayor Stirling, yes. Motion carried.
ORDINANCE #47, SERIES OF 1985 - Woodburning Amendments
Mayor Stifling opened the public hearing. Lee Cassin, environ-
mental health department, asked this be continued. The staff,
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CAAB and Aspen Mountain Lodge representatives have been working
on this, have had some excellent suggestions for changes. Ms.
Cassin said no one will be disadvantaged by waiting two weeks.
Suzanne Caskey told Council the CAAB is having a work session
August 29 at noon and invited Council to attend. Ms. Caskey
said since original inception of this ordinance, the focus has
changed from lodges to all dwellings. Council requested the
study session be changed to 2 p.m.
Councilman Isaac moved to continue the public hearing and final
consideration to September 9, 1985; seconded by Councilwoman
Walls. All in favor, motion carried.
ORDINANCE #48, SERIES OF 1985 - Ground Water Rights
Mayor Stirling opened the public hearing. Kevin Patrick said he
does not feel this is an emergency ordinance and should not be
passed as one. Only one page deals with the implied consent
provisions of Senate Bill 5. The rest of the ordinance relates
to water rights dedication, and are not of an emergency nature.
Patrick said the implied consent provisions of S.B. 5 are not
applicable to the town of Aspen. Patrick said the 5 specific
aquifers are Denver-based. Patrick brought up the arbitrary
labeling of private water systems as unfit for human consumption,
stating nothing is further from the truth. Patrick said this
arbitrary labeling is improper and illogical unless people
actually have their water tested. Patrick said the ordinance
should be bifurcated between the water rights dedication and the
implied consent provisions.
Jon Busch said he finds the allegation far-fetched that if he
had a well and someone was injured drinking out of the well,
that the city would be legally liable. Busch said he considers
this ordinance confiscatory and would not allow his underground
water rights to be transferred to the city.
Mayor Stirling closed the public hearing.
John Musick, city's water attorney, acknowledged the provisions
dealing with the Denver-based aquifers do not apply to the city
of Aspen; however, the Dakota sands do occur underlying Aspen.
Whether these are water bearing or not is not known, it is
arguable the statute does apply. Musick said this ordinance is
probably not an emergency for Aspen but if this is not adopted
by September 1st, these ground water rights could be conveyed
away. Musick said upon annexation, the city requires people to
dedicate their water supply to the city and lease the water
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City Attorney Taddune said there are people on wells in areas
surrounding the city, and would be in favor of annexation if
there was no requirement for water rights dedication. Musick
said people are required to hook into the city system when
annexed, but that is a different ordinance.
Musick said there are instances when municipalities are sued
because people expect the water to be treated to municipal
standards. This has happened in the Vail valley area. This
does not mean the city is liable, but it would have to defend
itself. Councilman Isaac said it appears this is mixing two
separate ordinances, and perhaps Council can address only the
non-tributary groundwater. Musick said if Council wishes to do
that, they can address only Section 23-55.1.
Councilman Isaac moved to adopt Ordinance #48, Series of 1985
through Sections 23-55.1 (a) through (d), amend the title and
adopt Sections 3, 4, and 5; seconded by Councilwoman Walls.
Roll call vote; Councilmembers Walls, yes; Collins, yes; Isaac,
yes; Fallin, yes; Mayor Stifling, yes. Motion carried
ORDINANCE #46, SERIES OF 1985 - Senior Citizens Water Rates
Mayor Stirling opened the public hearing. There were no com-
ments. Mayor Stirling closed the public hearing.
Cindy Shafer, acting finance director, said Council was concerned
about the guidelines setting maximum income levels. Ms. Shafer
told Council seniors do not have to include the value of their
individual residences.
Councilman Isaac moved to adopt Ordinance #46, Series of 1985,
on second reading; seconded by Councilwoman Fallin. Roll call
vote; Councilmembers Isaac, yes; Fallin, yes; Walls, yes;
Collins, yes; Mayor Stirling, yes. Motion carried.
ENCROACHMENT REOUEST - Trescott
Jay Hammond, city engineer, told Council Ms. Trescott is renovat-
ing her house. In obtaining a building permit, it was found the
garage encroached into the alley by 4 inches. This application
will grant a license to protect both parties. Ha~rm]ond said based
on referral comments, the staff has no problems with this
request.
Councilwoman Fallin moved to approve the encroachment license
for the existing garage at 401 West Francis; seconded by Council-
woman Walls.
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Mayor Stirling asked if this encroachment would allow an increase
in density or more construction on the property. l~ammond said
garages are not counted in FAR calculations. Mayor Stifling
asked if granting this encroachment means Ms. Trescott won't have
to adhere to a setback. Hammond said she would not.
All in favor, with the exception of Mayor Stifling. Motion
carried.
WOODSTONE PLAT AMENDMENT
Steve Burstein, planning Office, told Council this application
is for a number of changes to the Woodstone plat, which was
approved in 1981. The applicant feels these modifications to
internal spaces are necessary to upgrade the facility. Burstein
corrected amendment #8 to change the deed restricted employee
unit from Room 121 containing 369 square feet to room 232
containing 224 square feet. Burstein told Council the planning
office recommends approval of amendments 1 through 7.
Amendment #8 dealing with deed restricted units has not been
resolved at this time, but staff feels it is acceptable to
resolve this issue prior to recordation of the plat. Burstein
said the current deed restricted unit is a larger unit with a
kitchen, and to replace it with a smaller unit with no kitchen is
not a fair substitution. Another alternative is to meet deed
restricted obligation off site. Amendment #9 is to change the
location of the trash storage area into the basement. Burstein
told Council the Woodstone is non-conforming with respect to the
number of parking places they have provided, and the trash move
may take a parking space. The applicant wants to install a new
awning on the western entrance on Spring street, which will need
an encroachment license. Burstein recommended approval of these
amendments with a condition about the employee housing unit, and
a condition that nothing in this approval shall be construed to
reduce the owners' obligations made by prior agreements.
Dick Butera, representing the Woodstone, said the previous
owners spent $790,000 correcting problems in this building, and
this is a $450,000 improvement plan to correct more problems and
to make better hotel rooms. Butera said they are adding no FAR
nor any beds. Butera said they plan to move the bar from the
Spring street side to the back of the building and put the
lobby on the Spring street side. They will take the swim up
bar out of the lobby and improve the views of the mountain. In
the rooms, they are removing closets and walkways and make the
rooms larger and improve circulation within the hotel.
Butera said they are trading the employee unit because they do
not feel a kitchen belongs in the hotel, and they have volun-
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teered to make up the same square footage outside the hotel.
Butera told Council they can put the trash pick up into the
1 p i re and visible,
to the back alley.
Mayor Stifling moved to approved the Woodstone plat amendment
for the planned unit development accepting the 8 changes,
subject to conditions 1, 2, 3, in the planning office memorandum;
condition 4 adequate solution to the employee housing room be
found and be presented to Council for approval; condition 5 that
nothing in this approval shall be construed to reduce the
owners' obligations made by prior agreement; condition 6.the
applicant be allowed to replace the trash pick up to another
location; seconded by Councilman Isaac.
Burstein told Council losing a parking space for relocation the
trash is probably a beneficial trade off for the city. Council-
woman Walls said Council should not lose a parking space so fast
as the applicant mentioned there is landscaped space in the back
that could be a parking space. This area is very short on
parking and very crowded in the season.
Mayor Stifling amended his motion to retain the parking space in
the rear; seconded by Councilman Isaac.
Councilman Isaac asked if there are stairs into the lobby.
Butera said there is enough width to install a handicap ramp.
Mayor Stirling amended his motion to include condition 7 to
include handicap access; seconded by Councilman Isaac. All in
favor, motion carried.
FERGUSO N PUD AMENDMENT
Steve Burstein, planning office, told Council this parcel is
located at the northeast corner of Midland avenue and Cooper
street. The proposal is to split lot 4 into two lots, lot A
21,047 square feet and lot B of 6,000 square. This area is
zoned R-15/A/PUD. Burstein told Council there would be a 400
square foot addition to the 1220 East Cooper (lot A) residence.
The house on lot B is deed restricted to the middle income guide-
lines. Burstein said lot B would be a non-conforming lot of
6,000 square feet in an R~15 zone; however, the non-conformities
were inherited by the city when this was annexed. The
non-conformities cannot be reduced by this lot split action.
Burstein said this action is in the best interests of the city
as a deed restriction has been obtained and lot A will no longer
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be non-conforming. Burstein said staff and P & 'Z have recom-
mended approval.
Councilman Isaac moved to approve the Ferguson PUD amendment and
subdivision exception subject to the 5 conditions in the planning
office memorandum; seconded by Councilman Collins.
Barbara Purvis, representing the applicant, told Council this
proposal will remove the non-conformity on the large lot and
does allow an addition to the main structure. The employee unit
is about 1239 square feet and will not be changed. Ms. Purvis
told council there are presently two non-conforming structures
and this will remove one non-conformity.
All in favor, motion carried.
JENNY ADAIR PARK REPORT
Cindy Shafer, acting finance director, reminded Council they had
directed staff to see if there is money available in the land
fund. Ms. Shafer told Council there is $17,000 available which
is what it would cost to dredge Jenny Adair, and the Rio Grande.
Ms. Shafer said an issue is whether Council should spend the
entire $17,000 under the 25/75 provision of the land fund as
$17,000 represent the total balance left in the land fund of the
25 percent for maintenance this year given the revenue project-
ions. Ms. Shafer said the perks director has given more priority
to other items in the parks program. Ms. Shafer said another
issue is whether Council should reconsider the 75/25 ordinance
given the amount of open space purchased since the adoption of
that ordinance.
Assistant City Manager Ron Mitchell said the parks director has
recommended giving attention to Bugsy Barnard , Rio Grande,
Plumtree parking lot, Marolt/Thomas properties before taking
care of the this request. Councilwoman Walls said she does not
feel this property is inconspicuous, alot of people hike on the
Rio Grande trail. Councilwoman Walls said none of the city's
settling ponds are inconspicuous. People feel this is an
unsightly mess to have along the trails. Councilwoman Fallin
said A.C.E.S asked to have this done as it is a threat to the
wildlife as well as their pond. Councilwoman Fallin asked if
the staff has approached A.C.E.S to perticipate in this financ-
ially. Hammond said he would investigate this.
Councilman Isaac moved to approve spending $16,760 from the land
fund to dredge Jenny Adair, Rio Grande and Visual Arts ponds;
seconded by Councilwoman Fallin.
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Mayor Stirling said he feels this creates good will in the
community. Mayor Stirling agreed there are other areas that do
need work. Councilwoman Fallin suggested Council have a work
session with the parks department to prioritize the perks in
town. City Manager Hal Schilling pointed out to Council that
dredging is not beautification. Councilwoman Walls said it is
imperative the work take place this fall. Councilwoman Walls
suggested Council discuss changing the 75/25 ordinance. Council-
man Collins asked about the retention pond at Neale street.
Hammond said this retention pond is new enough not to need
dredging.
All in favor, motion carried.
TRANSPORTATION ELEMENT SCOPING/DOWNTOWN PLAN BRIEFING
Mayor Stifling said Councilman Isaac would like a discussion of
the Volk property added to this item. Tom Baker, planning
office, reminded Council the planning office proposes to shift
their focus to transportation and landuse in downtown. At the
August 6 work session, Council directed staff to prepare a
proposed scope of work for a downtown plan to coordinate with
RFTA and to identify where a consultant may be required. Baker
said the proposed scope includes a transportation element for
the Aspen area and landuse for the downtown.
Baker told Council in scoping the work, staff realized many
solutions to the downtown problems relied on the ability to
address transportation issues. Baker told Council staff has had
two meetings with RFTA and discussed RFTA'S transit development
program. Staff and RFTA discovered overlap in areas like Rubey
park, trolleys, shuttles. It was found that the consultant
hired by RFTA to do their TDP would be using planning and
engineering staffs. Baker told Council RFTA plans to have a
consultant hired by December 1.
Baker said the staff feels it will be possible to hire one
consultant to do both the TDP and the transportation element.
Baker said he would like Council to address four areas; (1) the
appropriateness of the questions in the memo, (2) conunent on the
approach for the plan, (3) the timing, and (4) the role of the
consultant. Baker said the consultant will provide technical
assistance to the staff, but the staff will be the lead group on
the plan.
The proposed scope of work is broken into 7 sections. The first
is research in obtaining state of the art technologies for the
transportation element or downtown landuse plan. The consultant
will help to tie together this information. The staff will
review pest plans and reports and offer any information to the
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consultant. In existing conditions, the staff will work with
the consultant, who will develop a computer model, hopefully to
be used in-house. The fifth section is to identify concepts of
what downtown should be in the future, and there will be joint
work sessions with Council, P & IZ, CCLC, and public. Out of this
work session should come 5 or 6 broad schemes for downtown.
This will be nsed in the projection and analysis section. The
consultant will help in the refinement phase of this section.
The staff will then analyze the alternatives with cost and
feasibility; advantages and disadvantages. The staff will
handle the actual plan development itself.
Baker presented general concepts incorporating parking, trolleys,
malls, auto free zones, light rail to the Airport Business
Center. Mayor Stirling asked how the consultant would be
funded. Baker said there is the ability for the planning and
engineering department to offer in-kind services back to RFTA if
there is the possibility of funding from RFTA. Baker said it
makes sense to use the same consultant, if the timing is right.
Councilman Isaac said he feels the property at the corner of
Cooper and Galena is very valuable to the city. If it is sold,
the city will not have the opportunity to use this in an expan-
ded mall. The letter from Robin Molny and Stacy Standley shows
the city can acquire this over a period of time. Robin Molny
told Council he feels there is historical and current signifi-
cance in the property called Independence Square. Molny said
this property deserves an in-depth looking by planning and
Council to see if this is a bona fide candidate for acquisition.
The downside to acquiring this is cost and lost revenues.
Stacy Standley told Council he had met with staff about funds
that appear to be available for funding this property. Standley
said this property is the major view corridor of the whole
community. Standley said purchasing this property would preserve
options for the city. City Attorney Taddune cautioned Council
that targeting a property in the process of development puts them
on a collision course, and a decision needs to be made quickly.
Mayor Stirling said there are many pressures on the Council about
open space issues. Mayor Stifling said this would be an expans-
ive property given its location and development potential.
Jon Busch told Council he supports Council buying this property;
it is an extremely critical piece of property. This corner is
landlocked by adjoining buildings, and it is hard to service.
One of the most important assets is in terms of community
applicability. Councilman Isaac said he would like staff
analyze the purchase of this property, what uses it could be put
to, look at funding alternatives. Councilmembers Collins and
Walls agreed. Councilwoman Fallin stated a conflict of interest.
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Bruce Abel, RFTA, told Council they are putting together a scope
of work for a transit development program (TDP), which is a
federally mandated study to describe how the co~ununity wants the
transit agency to unfold in the next 5 years. RFTA has received
funds from the Urban Mass Transit Agency to conduct a study.
Abel told Council they do not expect to spend the full budgeted
amount on the items RFTA needs to cover in a TDP. Abel told
Council he has discussed with UMTA the possibility of using the
remaining money to look at transit-related issues. Abel said
their interest is to get something practical and implementable.
Abel said some specific items discussed with UMTA are the
downtown terminal, Rubey Park, Trailways buses and the interface
between RFTA and the private transportation, impacts of downtown
circulations patterns on transit, parking needs.
Abel told Council they have worked with a number of consultants
who have transit as well as landuse capabilities. Abel said he
will present the scope of work for the TDP at the next Board
meeting. Baker told Council when the staff looked at a downtown
plan, it was clear immediately transportation needed to be
addressed. Baker said in terms of pure land use questions,
there may not be many that do not have transportation impacts.
Baker asked the Council to look at the fundamental questions in
the memorandum, see if they are appropriate, if a successful
downtown plan will address these, or suggestions for additions.
Mayor Stirling said the growth management system is integral to
all the questions. Mayor Stifling said the "downtown area" has
to be defined. Mayor Stifling said this plan seems to be on the
right track. Councilman Isaac asked if staff has looked at the
budget possibilities in funding this plan. Baker said that will
be part of the scoping. City Manager Schilling said the funding
for these improvements will be separate from the city's budget
and will be improvement districts or general obligation bonds.
ORE~INANCE-~4~, ,SERIES- eF t985 - Appropriations
Councilwoman Walls moved to read Ordinance #49, Series of 1985;
seconded by Mayor Stifling. All in favor, motion carried.
ORDINANCE #49
Series of 1985
AN ORDINANCE APPROPRIATING GENERAL FUND EXPENDITURES
OF $287,000; RECLASSIFYING PREVIOUSLY APPROVED EXPENDI-
TURES WITHIN THE GENERAL FUND OF $2,500; REVERSING A
TRANSFER OF $95,000 FROM THE GENERAL FUND TO THE 1985
G.O. STREET IMPROVEMENT DEBT SERVICE FUND; APPROPRIA-
TING LAND FUND EXPENDITURES OF $124,600; REDUCING 1985
G.O. STREET IMPROVEMENTS DEBT SERVICE FUND EXPENDITURES
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OF $95,000; REDUCING 1985 G.O. STREET IMPROVEMENT FUND
REVENUE OF $700,000; REDUCING 1985 G.O. STREET IMPROVE-
MENT FUND EXPENDITURES OF $700,000; RECOGNIZING
ELECTRIC FUND REVENUE OF $2,050,000; APPROPRIATING
ELECTRIC FUND EXPENSES OF $2,230,000; RECOGNIZING
GOLF COURSE FUND REVENUES OF $5,000; APPROPRIATING
GOLF COURSE FUND EXPENSES OF $5,000 was read by the
city clerk
Councilman Collins moved to adopt Ordinance $49, Series of 1985,
on first reading; seconded by Mayor Stifling.
Councilman Isaac said he has voted against these appropriations
previously. Cindy Shafer, acting finance director, told Council
the main thrust of this ordinance is correcting the capital
improvement program adopted in fall 1984. This was quite a
different capitol improvements program than the one actually
approved by Council. The main difference is the funding sources,
appropriates the electric bond issue, the first phase of city
hall.
Roll call vote; Councilmembers Fallin, yes; Walls, yes; Collins,
yes; Isaac, no; Mayor Stifling, yes. Motion carried
ORDINANCE ~t50,-SERI~OF .~I-985 - Lease/Purchase Agreement Gelco
Mayor Stifling moved to read Ordinance #50, Series of 1985;
seconded by Councilman Isaac. All in favor, motion carried.
ORDINANCE $50
Series of 1985
AN ORDINANCE APPROVING AN EQUIPMENT LEASE/PURCHASE
AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF ASPEN, COLORADO, AND
GELCO MUNICIPAL SERVICES, SETTING FOR THE TERMS AND
CONDITIONS FOR THE LEASE OF VARIOUS EQUIPMENT (SPECI-
FIED IN EXHIBIT "A" ATTACHED) BY THE CITY OF ASPEN
FROM GELCO MUNICIPAL SERVICES AND DIRECTING THE MAYOR
TO EXECUTE SAID AGREEMENT ON BEHALF OF THE CITY OF
ASPEN was read by the city clerk
Councilman Isaac moved to adopt Ordinance $50, Series of 1985,
on first reading; seconded by Councilman Collins. City Attorney
Taddune told Council he is reviewing the agreement. Councilman
Collins asked if the city took bids for this financing. Cindy
Shafer said the staff took bids.
Roll call vote; Councilmembers Collins, yes; Isaac, yes; Walls,
yes; Fallin, yes; Mayor Stirling, yes. Motion carried.
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ORDINANCE NO~-54 ~-8ERI~8-OF 1985 - Lease/Purchase Honnen
Councilman Isaac moved to read Ordinance #51, Series of 1985;
seconded by Mayor Stirling. All in favor, motion carried.
ORDINANCE NO. ' 51
Series of 1985
AN ORDINANCE APPROVING AN EQUIPMENT LEASE/PURCHASE
AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF ASPEN, COLORADO, AND
HONNEN EQUIPMENT CO. SETTING FOR THE TERMS AND CONDI-
TIONS FOR THE LEASE OF A JOHN DEERE BACKHOE LOADER BY
THE CITY OF ASPEN FROM HONNEN EQUIPMENT CO. AND
DIRECTING THE MAYOR TO EXECUTE SAID AGREEMENT ON
BEEALF OF TBE CITY OF ASPEN was read by the city clerk
Councilman Isaac moved to adopt Ordinance #51, Series of 1985,
on first reading; seconded by Councilman Collins. Roll call
vote; Councilmembers Walls, yes; Isaac, yes; Collins, yes;
Fallin, yes; Mayor Stifling, yes. Motion carried.
BUDGET ~RE(}UEST E~EeTRIC-{)PERAT~IONS
Jay Hammond, city engineer, told Council there are deficiencies
in the electric system and the ability to maintain the system.
Hammond said some of the items requested are needed to find
faults in the electric system that are undergrounded. The city
is currently depending upon Holy Cross to do those locations.
The former electric director was concerned about reliability of
service and that the city should have locating equipment
in-house. The list of tools and equipment needed are safety
related and the ability of a lineman to deal with a problem in
the system while it is live.
Hammond requested $35,000 appropriation for listed equipment and
the addition of a temporary lineman to upgrade the capabilities
within the department. When Ruedi comes on line, the city will
be utilizing funds from Ruedi to fund a position to handle
Ruedi. Councilman Isaac asked if there is money available in
the electric fund for this request. Cindy Shafer told Council
there is money.
Councilman Isaac moved to appropriate $35,000 from the electric
fund to the electric department operating budget; seconded by
Councilwoman Fall in.
Councilman Collins said he would rather table this request until
budget time and when there is a new superintendent of the
electric department. Councilman Collins said most of the
equipment is standard and should be budgeted items. Council-
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woman Fallin asked if the city is paying Holy Cross a fee to do
these location. Hammond said in general, the city is not paying
except for wire pulling. Hammond said the city is creating a
system which is much more underground than in the past. Hammond
said the staff is concerned about reliability of the system and
not being dependent on another utility company. Councilman
Collins said if the city purchased this equipment, the capacity
to find faults will be duplicated. The work has been done by
Holy Cross in the past and maybe the city should pay for this
work and it would be cheaper. Mayor Stirling said this budget
request is from a legitimate concern, but Council will be
starting the budget process within one month. Councilman Isaac
pointed out there is money available now, and this is a health
and safety issue.
Councilman Isaac in favor, everyone else opposed. Motion NOT
carried.
CONSENT AGENDA
Councilwoman Walls moved to adopt the consent agenda; seconded
by Councilman Isaac. The consent agenda is liquor license
renewals - City Market; Magnifico's; Skier's Chalet, and Special
event permits Aspen Ski Club; Filmfest.
Mayor Stifling moved to continue the meeting to Thursday August
29 at 3:30 p.m. to consider funding requests from the Nordic
Council and CCLC; seconded by Councilman Collins. All in favor,
motion carried. Council left the meeting at 10:20 p.m.