HomeMy WebLinkAboutminutes.council.19850923Regular Meeting Aspen City Council September 23, 1985
Joint Meeting with County Commissioners. The meeting was called
to order at 4:45 with Commissioners Braudis, Child, Klanderud
and Blake and Councilmembers Isaac, Fallin, Collins, Walls and
Mayor Stirling present.
1. Roaring FoTk Transit Agency Supplemental Appropriations.
Ms. Klanderud announced that Bruce Abel accepted the RFTA Boards
offer to be the permanent general manager of RFTA. Bruce Abel
explained these supplemental capital requests are to take care of
3 very real capital needs. One is to retrofit the transmissions
of 5 Neoplan buses. Abel said of the 16 Neoplan buses purchased,
the first 5 came with an Allison transmission with an external
retarder, meeting specifications. However, in actual use, it
was not satisfactory and the transmission was changed on the
last 11 buses purchased. RFTA has discussed with Neoplan
retrofitting the first 5 buses with the new transmission so that
the fleet would be consistent and have a suitable transmission.
Abel told the Boards they have reached a fair compromise with
Neoplan, and they will jointly share the cost of retrofitting.
Abel said this will cost $14,500.
The second request is funding to acquire and install bus stop
shelters. The 1984-85 transit development plan update recom-
mended about 30 major stops in the community. RFTA is looking at
implementing that recommendation and has picked out 10 high
priority locations for the shelters. This request is for
this is about $80,000
The third request is a replacement vehicle for the seniors van.
Abel told the Boards RFTA is formally responsible for the senior
service as of October 1, 1985. The van turned over to RFTA for
this program is inadequate in terms of passenger capacity as
well as its age and number of miles. RFTA would like to purchase
new wheelchair lift equipped van, which will cost $40,000. Abel
said the RFTA capital fund has a $311,000 fund balance; this
request for $134,500 will decrease the fund balance to $176,994.
Abel told the Boards this fund balance will be growing as the
sales tax, which went into effect July 1, is earmarked for
capital expenditures. Tom Oken, county finance director, told
the Boards the first $350,000 less current debt service payments,
will go into that fund. Abel told the Boards RFTA Board has
approved this budget appropriation on first reading.
Mayor Stifling opened the public hearing. There were no com-
ments. Mayor Stirling closed the public hearing.
Councilman Isaac moved to approve the supplemental appropria-
tions; seconded by Councilwoman Walls. All in favor, motion
carried.
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Commissioner Braudis moved to approve the supplemental appropria-
tions; seconded by Commissioner Child.
Child brought up the development of a long range capital improve-
ment plan and asked how these improvements fit into that plan.
Abel said the retrofitting is not part of any long term capital
improvements program. Abel told the Boards RFTA is putting
together requests for proposals for a 5 year transit development
program addressing what role the community wants the transit
agency to play, and how RFTA needs to develop over the nest 5
years. An integral part of the TDP is what type of capital
improvements will be necessary. Abel said they hope to have the
study complete by the spring of 1986. In the meantime, RFTA is
putting together a capital improvements programs for the 1986
budget and have selected two items of high priority.
Ms. Klanderud said she voted against this at the RFTA board
meeting. There is no question that bus shelters are needed, but
this seems to be fast tracked. Ms. Klanderud said the Council
has agreed to expedite the bus shelters. The Council, Commiss-
ioners and RFTA need to have a joint meeting on capital projects
as well as joint operations so that RFTA has a clear direction
on where it should go. Ms. Klanderud said she is concerned that
the city made an independent decision about bus shelters. Mayor
Stirling said Council understood this had already been discussed
at the county level. Ms. Klanderud said if this is joint
transportation, the thinking goes beyond jurisdictional bound-
aries. Abel said the request Council approved was assistance
from the city engineer in helping prepare materials necessary to
get the approvals needed for bus shelters.
Blake said it would be helpful to implement bi-monthly or
monthly meetings that Council and the Commissioners discussed a
couple of months ago. Ms. Klanderud said the Boards have agreed
to have a joint meeting with a general discussion of RFTA. Ms.
Klanderud said the Boards seem to see this as a city system and
a county system rather than a consolidated system. Child said
he would like the Boards to be able to review the plans for
these shelters.
All in favor, motion carried.
Ms. Klanderud said she feels it critical that the Council and
Commissioners share their thinking. Council and Commissioners
will scheduled a joint meeting.
COUNCIL MEETING
MINUTES
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Councilwoman Walls moved to adopt the minutes of August 26, 29,
1985; seconded by Councilwoman Fallin. All in favor, motion
carried.
CITIZEN PARTICIPATION
There were no comments.
~OUNCILMEMBER COMMENTS
1. Mayor Stirling went over the budget schedule; September 24 1
to 4 pm; September 25 1 to 3 pm; October 2 1 to 3 pm; October 3
1 to 3 pro; October 7 3 to 5 pro.
2. Mayor Stirling said the grand opening of Ruedi hydropower
facility will be Saturday October 12 at noon and bus service
will be provided.
3. Mayor Stirling said the Colorado Association of Ski Towns
meeting will be October 3 and 4 in Silverthorne. Neither he nor
Mayor Pro Tern Walls can attend and asked if someone else on
Council could attend.
4. Mayor Stifling announced Aspen won the 18th annual Rugger-
fest, the first since 1971. Mayor Stirling said there were
tremendous crowds in town, and it was a wonderful weekend.
5. Mayor Stirling congratulated the Aspen Filmfest on an
excellent series. It was well attended with high quality of
films.
6. Mayor Stirling said because of the 3 scheduled public
hearings, 9 items had to be removed from the agenda. Mayor
Stifling suggested continuing the meeting until September 30th
at 6 pro.
7. Mayor Stirling announced Governor Lamm has appealed to all
the Mayors in the state to work on recognition of United Nations
Day, proposed for October 24. Heidi Roupp and George Burson
have been appointed local chairpersons.
ORDINANCE #53, SERIES OF 1985 - Little Nell Public Hearing.
Mayor Stifling said this is the first public hearing under the
revised SPA section of the Code. This is to give the public an
idea of what kind of development is being proposed before the
applicant makes an application under the growth management plan.
Mayor Stirling said in 1983, the Skiing Company made application
to the city to have the SPA designation extended on the Little
Nell zone. This was denied because there was no clear idea of
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what the concept was, as well as the amount of land requested to
be designated SPA. Mayor Stirling said these two items have
changed in this application. Mayor Stirling said this public
hearing will be continued to a subsequent meeting. Council has
scheduled a work session for October 7.
Mayor Stirling said this is a conceptual plan and is not too
technical but to give a broad concept of the plan for this
property. Mayor Stirling said Council has to determine if Little
Nell is an appropriate site for an SPA; does it have the unique
character to be designated SPA; is there significant public
benefit. Council must look at the proper uses for this site,
and are they appropriate, sensible and in keeping with the area.
Mayor Stirling said hotel is a conditional use in the CC zone.
The major issue is the growth issue and the multi-year alloca-
tion.
Alan Richman, planning director, said Council is determining the
appropriate set of uses for this property. The applicant is
requesting to change the boundaries of the SPA, and there is an
ordinance to accomplish this. Richman said P & Z has recommended
Council adopt this ordinance on first reading and not take final
action until a precise plan is in front of Council. Council
could take formal action, if they choose, at a meeting in
October. The P & Z and staff have outlined the technical issues
associated with the SPA, which the applicant has to address. The
approach of P & Z is to identify the problems at the conceptual
stage and to ask the applicant to respond to these issues at
precise plan. Council should determine if they agree that
approach is acceptable.
Richman said parking is one of the issues, and P & Z has asked
the applicant to substantially study this issue. The applicant
is proposing 77 subgrade parking spaces for hotel guests,
commercial area, and employees. P & Z and staff have questioned
the number of spaces. Other issue are site design, open space,
views and FARS and the applicant has been asked to study these.
Another issue is service/delivery areas. The applicant is
proposing two service/delivery areas and P & Z and the staff have
not signed off on these and want more information. Transit
service and the provision of a drop off area are also to be
addressed.
Another concern is mitigation geological of hazards the applicant
should look into after the problems with Aspen mountain. The
applicant has been asked to do a comprehensive study of transpor-
tation problems in this area and to propose mitigation of
potential impacts on the roads. Richman said these are someof
the technical issues that were discussed. The recommendation of
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P & Z contains 25 conditions. These technical issues are not
unsolvable.
Richman said he does not feel Council should be concentrating on
the conceptual issue of growth at this meeting but rather hear
the applicant's presentation and public comments. Richman said
there is no question that the Municipal Code provides Council
with a legal ability to award future allocation if they choose;
the issue is whether or not Council should do this. Richman
noted he has done a thorough analysis of this issue, which is
included in the memorandum. Richman stated technically the
growth management application is not before Council at this
meeting. The P & Z was asked to give an indication of their
willingness to grant future allocations. The Council cannot
decide the future allocation issue until a formal GMP allocation
is before them.
The staff is recommending approval of the reconstruction of the
commercial space, skier support spaces, placement of the base
lifts, upgrade of the pedestrian circulation corridors, and
removal of the maintenance facilities from the base area.
Richman stated he does not feel the growth issue should be acted
upon favorably, and is asking Council to give a negative indica-
tion on the growth question; that Council is not conceptually in
support of multi-year allocations for the hotel.
Peter Forsch, Skiing Company, told Council they are not proud of
their present base area. The Skiing Company has been precluded
from doing anything about the base area because of a long term
lease situation, as well as the previous SPA ordinance, which
requires a total comprehensive plan for the whole area. Forsch
pointed out there is a revitalization in the community; as well
assignificant improvements being made on the mountain. Forsch
said this is a clear signal that the community needs to remain
current and competitive. Forsch said their proposal for the base
area complements work on the mountain.
Forsch said the plans for developmentare a demonstration to the
community and to tourists of the Skiing Company's dedication and
commitment to excellence. Forsch said they feel there is a
significant need for revitalization, especially in the lodging
sector and especially at the base of the mountain. Forsch said
this is a submission for a hotel, a new lift, and a base area
redevelopment. Council wanted to look at the whole base area in
a comprehensive manner. Forsch said this plan is a compromise;
the hotel 2 years ago was twice as big as this presentation.
Forsch told Council this is in recognition of the community needs
and benefits, the community sensitivities, the adjacent property
owners, and the interests of the guests of this community.
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Forsch said the applicant is willing to work with the city;
however, they have very little ability to downscale the building.
Forsch said a hotel is a questionable investment in a mountain
resort community. This is not a profit center for the Skiing
Company. The benefits are long range and a benefit to the
entire community. Forsch said to save time and money, the
applicant is asking the Council to address the GMP issuerelating
to future year's allocation. Forsch said they feel their request
is consistent with both the goals and laws of the community.
Forsch presented a slide show of the proposed project. The slide
show presented the existing conditions on the property, the
zoning, adjacent uses. There was a slide of the original
project which was too big for the property as well as the new
proposed hotel. The major access to the site would be from
~unter street. There is significant regrading proposed for this
area. The building is proposed for the flat area at the base of
the hill. The maintenance facility will be moved up the hill.
Forsch said they intend to create an exciting people place at
the base area between the Little Nell deck and the Tippler deck.
Forsch showed a model of the site, views of the building from
various places. Forsch showed a computer model of the building.
Forsch told Council the computer model is based on actual
drawings, heights, setbacks and scale. This is not an artists
rendering. The building is intentionally stepped back in the
Hunter street area to maintain the view corridors, which are
important to the community. Forsch said the Skiing Company is
proud of this plan and feels it will work well for the community
and the guests. Forsch reiterated they feel this proposal is
consistent with the intent and the law in the growth area.
Bill Kane told Council in their meetings with P & Z to review
this project, the most pressing question is how a 96 room hotel
relates to the growth management plan, which specifies a quota
and limitation on the number of new units per year in L-l,
L-2, commercial core, and commercial/lodge district. Kane
presented graphs to depict what has occurred in the lodge
portion of the GMP, and what can be anticipated. The chart
contains planned growth, proposed and approved growth, and the
history since 1977.
Kane said the basis for placing a quota on lodge units was to
insure short term accommodations would balance with ski capacity.
The original quota was 18 units per year for lodge units. In
1981, the planning office prepared the short term accommodations
study investigating the relationship between actual units and
ski capacity. Lodges have been condominiumized, changed around
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and the city is losing units from the short term accommodations
pool and it was appropriate to reconsider the number of lodge
units. In 1982, the quota was changed to 35 lodge units per
year which provides an 1.2% growth rate in short term accommoda-
tions. Kane pointed out that lodge development within the GMP is
the most stringently regulated form of growth.
The next chart Kane showed represented approvals in lodge quota
since 1977. In 1978, 36 units were approved for the Aspen Inn
which was later incorporated in the Aspen Mountain Lodge applica-
tion. Some applications have lost their allocation by letting
their permit lapse. From 1978 to 1981 there were no approvals
granted. In 1981 there was an allocation of 31 units to the
Lodge at Aspen; in 1982 the Carriage house received 26 units. In
1983, the Aspen Mountain Lodge applied for allocation of 172
units. The charts present the argument that 44 units at Alpina
Haus and 14 units from Cooper Horse were lodge units and are now
deed restricted and should be credited to the quota system. Kane
said this argument was supported by the planning staff and P & Z,
and was not accepted by Council. Kane said through 1983 to 1985,
there were no allocations granted.
Kane said there are 19 units added to the Sardy house, although
these units are not in the L-1 L-2 zone. With these considera-
tions, in 1985 the quota is 4 units below the total allocations.
The end of the curve reflects the 96 units proposed for Little
Nell. By 1989 if there are no further allocations, the total
units will be below the curve. Kane said if the growth manage-
ment plan is evaluated in a long term context, it shows that the
system is capable of having this project built. Kane's last
chart shows that from 1977 to 1985, basically nothing has been
built in these zones. Kane said the lodging zones are within
walking distance of skiing, and are most symbolic of the quality
skiing experience in Aspen. Richman pointed out the Hotel Jerome
project has an additional 67 units approved. Kane said they
only included the L-l, L-2 zone districts.
Mayor Stifling opened the public hearing.
Chuck B randt told Council he supports the hotel. Brandt said
there has been a declining school enrollment, indicating families
are leaving. Brandt said he has not seen efforts by government
or anyone else to expand or widen the economic base. An effort
is being made by the Skiing Company to encourage lodging and ski
facilities. Brandt said he is concerned that if the economic
base is not widened, local's children will not have the opportun-
ity to choose to live in Aspen. Brandt said growth controls do
not take into account economic cycles nor the availability of
large amounts of funds needed for project, and relief valves are
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Fritz Benedict said he feels this is well designed project.
Benedict said the city has a chance for a trade off as they
should insist on a gondola rather than a detachable quad lift.
A gondola would mean a lot to the town in summer and winter, and
would help the town's image. Jerry Hewey, general manager Aspen
Alps, told Council they have monitored this proposal for a
number of years. Hewey said as the plans have been submitted to
them, and the Board of Managers endorsed this project.
Fred Smith said he is in favor of this project. This developer
is Aspen's home company, is interested in developing their own
property and to improve Aspen's image. Smith said when one looks
at the chart of all the lodge GMP approvals and none of them have
been built, when the city finds someone with financing who can
build what is needed, they should allow it to be built. Jim
Adams said a lot of developers have come through in the last 20
years without a stake in the town and have developed things that
sometimes fall apart. Adams pointed out this developer has been
with the town for many years and has quite a stake in the
community, and they should be helped.
George Laswell, general manager of the Aspen Square, read a
letter into the record, "After a great deal of research and much
input from the Aspen Square property owners, the management and
Board of Directors of the Aspen Square Condominium Association
have unanimously decided to formally oppose the concept of the
proposed project at Little Nell by the Aspen Skiing Company.
Some of our reasons are outlined: 1) increased traffic. The
limitations of the present Aspen street layout dictate that all
additional east/west traffic created by the proposal would
impact Durant avenue. This increased traffic, noise, pollution
and congestion generated by proposed 100 room hotel along with
its associated commercial uses would cause an extreme hardship
on all existing facilities in the area. In our opinion this
adds to the already extremely serious problem in Aspen and
multiplies the difficulties in finding a solution to those
problems. 2) Proposed parking is inadequate. The Aspen Square
building presently provides 106 parking space for 105 rental
units and 17 commercial spaces. Frequently this is insufficient.
In conjunction with Little Nell being the main access to the ski
area, the proposed 77 parking spaces are grossly inadequate. 3)
A large structure is much less inviting than a small one. The
same proposed complex without the hotel would still allow the
public its view of the mountains and afford a much more inviting
access to its recreational activities. If a hotel is to be
seriously considered for the Little Nell site, it would be far
more acceptable if it were kept lower in profile and lower in
density. 4) Regarding the commercial allocation, we recommend
that the amount of commercial space approved for this property
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primarily related to replacing what already exists. In partic-
ular the future commercial uses for this site should primarily
relate to what is required by a base facility and main access to
the ski area. 5) Recent GMP allocations for the Jerome Hotel,
the Aspen Mountain Lodge and the Sardy property should be
analyzed along with their impacts on the community prior to
additional GMP variance grants. It should be kept in mind that
most certainly other projects, such as Aspen Meadows, are in the
wings and will also need to be looked at closely. 6) A chart
prepared and presented by the Aspen Skiing Company incorrectly
showed that 87 condominium rental units have recently been taken
off the rental market and could be granted to the Ski Company
for the planned hotel. This is not a recent development and the
fact that the units are not rented does not mean they are not
occupied nor that they do not represent people who drive cars,
ski, shop, dine, etc. A refurbishing of the Little Nell base
area is much needed in order for Aspen to keep pace with its
competition and to provide a pleasing entrance to Aspen mount-
ain. It is our strong belief that the proposed hotel facility
is not in keeping with the best planned use of that area.
Jim Curtis said he feels everything taking place in this commun-
ity has been very positive. The renovations of old buildings
around town is very exciting. Curtis pointed out these projects
have been talked about for years and are just getting done,
which points out the amount of lead time needed before anyone
sees the actual projects. Curtis said there can be no doubt
that this is the correct location for exactly what is being
proposed. The base of the mountain is the entrance to the
mountain, and from a planning point of view this is the type of
facility that should go there.
Mary Martin, All Citizens Action Committee dedicated to monitor-
ing fiscal responsibility of government, said if this city is
going to take $25,000,000 to operate, that is far more than the
1.2 percent growth. The Skiing Company is Aspen's industry.
Mrs. Martin said this is an excellent proposal. Bill Martin
said he is for the project. David Stapleton told Council he is
in support of this plan. Stapleton said the renovation in town
is giving a sense of pride to this community. Klaus Obermeyer
said he loves this, it is a wonderful idea. Obermeyer said he
loves to see the momentum in this town and something newer and
better being built. Obermeyer said Aspen is competing with a
lot of resorts with very modern accommodations and better uphill
transportation.
Howard Aurey said he has been in business here 37 years, has had
an opportunity to travel to other ski resorts. Aurey said if
Aspen does not get more first class accommodations, it will not
be able to compete. Dick Butera said he is directly effected by
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this proposal, as he owns the Woodstone, and urged the Council
to pass this as quickly and cheaply as possible so the developer
can spend money on a high quality building, and hopefully a
gondola. Fred Dill said he regards the Ski Company highly but
pointed out they are asking the city to let them go into some-
thing new. Dill said they are proposing something good, but the
hotel causes major problems. Dill suggested the hotel be
somewhere else and let the gateway to the mountain be a gateway
to the mountain.
Charles Hopton, representing North of Nell Condominiums, told
Council they are not opposed to the project but feel the
recommenndations made by staff should be adhered to. Hopton said
in particular the condition pertaining to the loading zone on
Dean street should be given a lot of attention. Pete Stone said
he would like to see Council pass this project. Stone said there
is a lot of renovation going on in town, and the present Little
Nell situation is a disgrace and is appalling to the rest of the
progress. Ken Moore supports the Ski Company's projects and
urged the Council to so endorse.
Tom Anderson, Pomeroy Sports owner in Aspen Square, told Council
he is not in agreement with the rest of Aspen Square and is for
this project 100 percent. Eve Homeyer reminded everyone what
kind of citizen the Aspen Skiing Company has been; they have
always supported the good of the community. With the creation
of the Aspen Foundation, they pour millions of dollars into
support of the non-profit sector of the community. The Skiing
Company provides more work in the community than anyone else,
even adding up all the governments.
Jack Brendlinger said the P & Z did a study in 1977, and the way
he sees the study, the community has lost about 1,000 guest beds
since then. That is a loss of every business person in town.
Sirous Saghatoslami told Council he supports this project 100
percent. Don Lemos said Aspen is fortunate to have a company
like Aspen Skiing Company with resources to follow through on a
project like this and urged Council to vote yes on this project.
Jerry Blann, Aspen Skiing Company, said since the first plan for
this site, they have re-evaluated the plan and the site to see
what the constraints were to try to develop a project for that
site. Blann said the Skiing Company went to adjacent property
owners with their plan to achieve conversations, and their
concerns are listed in P & Zs conditions. The Skiing Company
has agreed to address all of the conditions. Blann told Council
their partnership has built 6,000 hotel rooms. Blann said the
Ski Company has presented a master plan for the mountain to
Council. They have gone through an industrial development bond
f~ process to obtain $25,000,000 to upgrade their mountains. Blann
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said there have been compromises in this hotel process, they
think the plan will work. Blann pointed out the maintenance
facility will be moved up the mountain, eliminating noise and
fumes. There will be a major lift coming out of this base area,
the Ski Company has not decided whether this will be a gondola
or a detachable quad. The ski school will have an area at
Little Nell, and the guest experience will be improved as well
as having lockers, rest rooms. The commercial facilities will
support the skiing operation.
Blann said this small hotel represents a long range commitment
in terms of upgrading the quality of the bed base in the co~eun-
ity. Blann said the timing is critical as the IDB only allows 3
years for capital expenditures. Blann stated this project cannot
be built 35 units at a time. The Council and P & Z recommended
that this be one base area redevelopment, and to take it apart is
a problems in terms of timing. Blann requested Council address
the multi-year allocation at their earliest opportunity.
Chuck Torinus stated he is highly in favor of the project.
Brian Light, representing the Kaelin corporation, said they are
in favor of the project. The architecture of the building and
the blending in with the mountain is excellent. Jim Pavisha,
Aspen Mountain Lodge project, stated they are totally in support
of this project and welcome the competition. Pavisha told
Council the Skiing Company's filiate companies will do an
outstanding job that the city can be proud of. Spencer Schiffer
said the lodge GMP is an anachronism, it artificially imposes
constraints on the city's ability to become a first class
resort. Schiffer said this is a terrific project that deserves
approval and support.
Mort Heller supports this proposal, and should there be any
problem with the GMP, urged Council to bend over backwards to
give it their approval. John Reveal, Snowmass ski area manager,
told Council many people like to ski Snowmass but prefer to stay
in Aspen. Reveal said many people ask why they can't find top
quality lodging in Aspen. Lee Pardee encouraged the media to
make sure the public realizes Council, under existing laws, has
the right to approve an increase of future allocations, that the
Ski Company is not asking for any special treatment. This
request is within Council's purview.
Mike Otte said he would like to see the project go, it would be
good for the town. Debbie Morris, ski instructor, told Council
she hears from people skiing everyday about the facilities. Ms.
Morris said Aspen is trying to give good food and good lodging
and needs to make the beginning part of the day valuable. Lita
Heller told Council she is in favor of the project.
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Mayor Stirling continued the public hearing to October 15, 1985.
Council scheduled a work session for October 7 at 5 p.m.
Councilman Collins requested that RFTA be added to that work
session. Mayor Stifling said one issue he would like discussed
at the work session is if Council is comfortable letting the 25
conditions wait until later in the process. Mayor Stirling said
Council has to get a handle on how the community feels about the
growth issue. There have been very positive comments at this
hearing about urging the Council to go forward with this project.
Perhaps Council should address the question of the lodge quota,
and is it large enough. Forsch said the Skiing Company would
like a clear sense of direction from the Council before the Ski
Company is willing tO come forward with a precise GMP plan.
Forsch said they don't want to spend the time and money to
address the 25 conditions, as well as other issues, if Council is
unwilling to look at the future year allocation question.
Mayor Stirling said the growth issue should be addressed at the
work session. Mayor Stirling asked what kind of reliance could
come out of the conceptual SPA process that is legally binding.
City Attorney Taddune said by definition he does not think so.
Taddune said the application is asking for an indication on the
growth issues so that other conditions can be addressed. Gideon
Kaufman said the applicant is asking for Council to say that if
they address the rest of the issues and get the GMP allocation,
Council will vote against it because of the future year's
allocation. Taddune said the Code indicates that conceptual
approval should not be binding on Council for purposes of
preliminary or final approval. Taddune said Council would be
giving the applicant a political commitment rather than a
binding commitment. Mayor Stirling asked that the trade offs,
such as the gondola, and any others, be addressed at the work
session, The parking issue is critical and must be addressed.
Councilman Isaac moved to read Ordinance #53, Series of 1985;
seconded by Councilman Collins. All in favor, motion carried.
Taddune pointed out there is no property description, there is a
graphic description. Kaufman said the applicant submitted a
property description. The line has not been surveyed.
ORDINANCE #53
Series of 1985
AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF ASPEN, COLORADO,
EXTENDING THE BOUNDARY OF THE SPA OVERLAY ACROSS A
PORTION OF THE LITTLE NELL BASE AREA was read by the
city clerk
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Councilman Isaac moved to adopt Ordinance #53, Series of 1985,
on first reading; seconded by Councilwoman Fallin.
Councilwoman Walls asked exactly where the boundary line is on
the property. Richman told Council there is a specific reason
for the recommendation of tabling this ordinance until precise
plan, and this will be presented at the October 15th meeting.
Kane showed Council the existing SPA and the requested extended
SPA boundary. Councilwoman Walls asked why the whole parcel was
not zoned SPA originally. Kane said it was probably only
applied to the existing commercial space. Councilwoman Walls
asked if the ownership had changed. Forsch said the Skiing
Company has always owned this parcel. Forsch said the applicant
has also asked why the whole parcel was not zoned SPA and has
not gotten a satisfactory answer. The SPA encompassed only the
existing development.
Mayor Stirling said the SPA designation was applied to this
property by the city. Richman told Council the P & Z and staff
is recommending approval of this ordinance. Councilman Collins
said the conservation zone was established to keep this area
open and natural. Councilman Collins asked why this ordinance
is before Council now rather than at precise plan stage.
Richman said the applicants have arguments why this should be
adopted at the conceptual stage, and staff did not want to
assume that Council would agree with the recommendation, and the
applicant should have an opportunity to present their arguments.
Roll call vote; Councilmembers Collins, yes; Fallin, yes; Isaac,
yes; Walls, yes; Mayor Stirling, yes. Motion carried.
SNOW DUMP- SITE
Lee Pardee, representing residents of Oklahoma Flats, told
Council they have problems with the location of the snow dump
site and the impound lot located on the Rio Grande. Every year
the citizens approach the administration and are promised this
will be the last year as this location is only temporary. Pardee
told Council they have sought out an opinion from a former city
attorney. Pardee said there are 3 separate parcels acquired
by the city. Parcel 2, where the snow dump is located, was
purchased with 6th and 7th penny funds. The impound lot area
was purchased with 7th penny funds. Pardee said the land was
purchased for open space and is being used as a snow dump.
City Attorney Taddune told Council he does not feel that the
language in the 6th penny ordinance is so clearly articulated
that the only use of 6th penny funds is open space acquisition.
Sandy Stuller told Council these ordinances are open-ended
because bond counsel likes the ordinances as flexible as poss-
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ible. The Trueman property and Aspen One property Were purchased
with 7th ~enny funds. Ms. Stuller told the City Council, prior
to the election of the 7th penny, by resolution pledged to the
citizens that that money would only be used for implementation of
the area transportation plan. The transportation plan has 3
elements; parking structure, mass transit system and a mall
system. Ms. Stuller suggested that a snow dump site or an
impound lot does not meet the requirement of that plan.
Pardee said the Aspon Sanitation District is not using the area
previously used for snow dumping, and encouraged Council to
condemn this property to use for snow dumping. Pardee said he
feels the use of the current snow dump site is an illegal use.
Mayor Stifling said the Council met with the Sanitation Board
and raised the issue of using their property for snow dumping,
and the Board was not enthusiastic about this. Mayor Stirling
said he feels condemnation is a hostile action, and would rather
discuss this with the Board again.
City Manager Schilling said Council has discussed for many years
where the snow dump can best be located. Schilling suggested
trying to work with the Sanitation District for a solution.
The employee housing at the sanitation site may have to be
rel ocated.
Mayor Stirling moved to direct the City Manager to begin discuss-
ions immediately with the director of the Sanitation District,
and look at alternative ways to come to an agreement; seconded
by Councilman Collins.
Mayor Stifling asked if the residents would agree to a 9 to 12
month phase out of the snow dump site. Pardee said he has been
promised year after year that the city will relocate the snow
dump site. Mayor Stirling said he would like a report back from
the staff at the October 15 meeting. Councilman Collins said
the staff should find out if moving the snow dump site to the
sanitation district will cause problems with another neighbor-
hood. Councilwoman Fallin said she does not favor phasing
moving the snow dump because this problem has been put off for
years. Councilwoman Walls said the impound lot is a worse
eyesore. Remo Lavagnino said the impound lot is also addressed
in the letter to Council. Lavagnino told Council he researched
the records to find out when the impound lot was implemented,
and nowhere did Council approve an impound lot on that property.
Don Lemos pointed out the private sector is also required to
remove their snow, and he would be willing to pay the city for
snow removal to mitigate the costs of moving the snow dump site.
Dale said the impound lot is a problem and is detrimental to the
business uses in the SCI zone. It is very ugly and poorly
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managed. Hal Clark, PCPA, told Council they support having the
river front area improved. It is a valuable asset to the
community, and the city is storing their nuisance uses on this
property. Dwight Shellman said this snow may require treatment
as wastewater, and there may be funding available to treat the
snow. Mayor Stirling said Council had raised the issue of
leaving the snow on the streets rather than scraping them clean.
Chuck Roth, engineering department, said leaving the snow on the
streets would lose parking places, driving lanes would be
constricted, and emergency access would be hindered. Roth told
Council the area required to store snow is about 2.5 to 3 acres.
All in favor, with the exception of Councilwoman Fallin. Motion
carried.
ASPEN INSTITUTE PUBLIC HEARING
Mayor Stirling said this is a request of the Aspen Institute for
subdivision exception for the purposes of exercising their
option to obtain title to 26.5 acre academic parcel, commonly
known as the East Meadows. Council can approve the request,
deny the request or refer to back to P & Z. Alan Richman,
planning director, told Council this application was referred to
the attorney's office and engineering department. Richman said
the city attorney concluded the Code provides Council the
opportunity to except this application from steps in the subdivi-
sion process. This meeting has been noticed as a public hearing.
Richman pointed out that Section 20-5(b) of the Code regarding
the need for growth management allotment does not apply to this
request for two reasons; one, the land is not vacant. It has
development on it and has a beneficial use on it. The area
requested for subdivision exception includes the Physics Insti-
tute, the music tent facilities, and the Institute academic
facilities. Richman said there is no land development proposed
by this applicant, therefore, a development allotment is not
required at this time.
Richman told Council staff looked at the SPA requirements, since
this parcel is zoned SPA, and Section 24-7.3(b) states if a
parcel is owned by more than one individual, consent to any SPA
application must be obtained by all owners before any SPA
conceptual plan can be processed. Richman said it was that
section that made staff feel comfortable about Council's ability
to address this application and not to have any negative planning
effect on the community. Richman said if Council decides to
approve this application as recommended by staff, Council may
condition any action on the requirement that unified conceptual
and precise development plans be submitted for both parcels.
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Richman suggested language in condition 6(b) to address this.
Richman said it is of paramount importance to the staff that a
condition be placed on this application to require that this SPA
continue to be recognized as a single SPA. The basis for
staff's recommendation of approval is Council continue to look
upon this as one parcel from a planning and development stand-
point.
Richman said there are also conditions recommended by the
engineering department. Richman recommended approval and
stated approval will be in support of the subdivision regulations
which require subdivision to promote the general health, safety
and welfare of the community. Richman said the Institute is one
of the most important and unique parts of this community, and
this subdivision exception will enhance the presence of the
Institute in the co~anunity which is a desirable goal for the
community.
Spencer Schiffer, representing the Aspen Institute, told Council
the purpose of this application iS to permit the Aspen Institute
to obtain record title to the East meadows by closing on an
option which it has with the Aspen Mountain Joint Venture. This
option was created in 1977 when the Institute conveyed all the
Meadows property to its wholly owned subsidiary, the Meadows
corporation. The Institute took back an option to reacquire the
academic parcel for $100. In 1980 when the Institute sold the
Meadows corporation to Cantrup, it agreed as part of that
transaction not to exercise that option for 5 years, giving
Cantrup the right by the payment of $3,000,000 to take out the
option or to assume the option and thereby buy the academic
parcel.
Schiffer told Council as part of the bankruptcy proceedings, the
properties were sold to the Aspen Mountain Joint Venture, who
succeeded to the rights and obligations under those agreements.
This particular right expired June 19, 1985, and for the first
time in the past 5 years, the Institute had an opportunity to
exercise the option and to reacquire record title to this
property. On July 3, the trustees of the Institute met and
voted unanimously to direct the officers of the Institute to
apply for subdivision exception and to exercise the option.
Schiffer told Council he is authorized to report that the
Institute wants to have a permanent presence in Aspen, and the
trustees feel the only way they can plan for the future is to
have record title to this property. The exercise of the option
would help to insure that permanent presence. Schiffer told
Council timing is critical; programs for next year are being
reviewed next month, and it is important the Council decides at
this meeting.
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Schiffer pointed out that Section 20-19(b) of the Code provides
that the Council may exempt a particular division of land from
the definition of a subdivision when Council feels the division
of land is not within the intent and purpose of Chapter 20.
Section 20-2 sets out the purpose and intent, "the purpose of
this regulation is to assist the orderly, efficient, and inte-
grated development of the City". Schiffer said this applicant
is making application strictly for the purpose of exercising an
option to complete title. There is no development planned or
contemplated. Schiffer noted that before any growth or develop-
ment could take place on this property, an applicant or owner
would have to go through the SPA process. Council recently
adopted new SPA regulations, and the procedures in that ordinance
are more rigorous than the subdivision procedures. These
require both conceptual and precise plan approval by both P & Z
and Council, and it is a 4 step process.
Schiffer told Council the SPA regulations require that there be
underlying zoning for the property, and that has not been done
yet. Schiffer said at this time, there could be no development
application. Schiffer said there is no development potential
by reason of this exemption or exception, were it granted, and
it would be appropriate to grant a subdivision exemption or
exception. Schiffer said there is some concern that this
exemption or exception would preclude the master planning of
the entire parcel as one cohesive whole, and that is not the
case. Schiffer told Council the Institute agrees with the
position of the planning office, and with the position expressed
by Mr. Roberts in his September 19th letter, which is that the
entire property should be master planned as one SPA.
Schiffer said one criticism is that typically Council doesn't
grant an exemption or exception where there is no development
proposal. That may be true, but this land is unique, zoned SPA,
which means it is unzoned until the applicant comes to the city
with a development application and a specific proposal. No
development can take place until that happens, which is why this
exemption or exception is appropriate. Schiffer pointed out
that the Institute has had a significant presence in the commun-
ity for over 35 years. The Institute wants to make it clear to
the city and to the community that it wants to have a permanent
presence, and to insure that presence, it has to have record
title to its own property.
Mayor Stirling opened the public hearing.
Nick McGrath told Council he is representing Concerned Citizens
West Side Inc., a Colorado non-profit corporation which was
formed in about 1980 specifically for the purpose of monitoring
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the land use process with regard to the 85 acres. McGrath said
there are approximately 50 members in the organization and a
requirement to be a member is that one own property in the west
side. This group was formed because it did not want to take an
active part in the West Side Improvement Association because that
group has many more interests. McGrath said that while his
group supports the Institute, they do not support this particular
application. McGrath said the issue is a question of goals and
policy and how that is best served, and his group feels it is
best served by denying the application, and failing that, tying
up the conditions.
MCGrath said if the Institute would put in writing they will
never put a new building on the 26.5 acres, his group would
agree with their application. McGrath said the Institute has at
least 90 years to exercise this option, and why do they need to
confirm legal title without master planning. McGrath pointed
out the Institute created this option. When they approached the
city and requested to sell the parcel separately, the city said
no. Since 1972 Council has said this 85 acres, the "largest"
undeveloped parcel in Aspen must be planned as a single whole
McGrath suggested the Institute covenant to a condition that
they will not come in with a separate plan if they have a
falling out with the other property owner. What happens if the
Institute files a single application and if the city won't
accept it, they sue the city. Council should ask the Institute
if they will waive the issue of joint planning as respect to
lawsuits. If they won't waive it, the Institute may come back
and use that in the future against the city. McGrath said in
all the Institute's applications, they have said they are not
going to commercially develop the 26.5 acres; this language
should be tied up.
Dwight Shellman, representing the West Side Improvement Associa-
tion, told Council his group's position is that the Council
should adhere to its long standing policy that this entire 85
acre parcel should be planned and developed and approved as one
unit. Shellman said there is no reason at this point to subdi-
vide the land. The Institute has 90 years of someone else
paying the taxes and the ability at the end of the period to
take title to the property. The WSIA supports the Institute,
and if the Institute were to leave the community, it supports
the use of the 85 acres in the way it has been used. Shellman
said the standards changed in the '70s for this parcel to be a
comprehensive unified developments requiring that entire owner-
ship be developed under a comprehensive plan. That has been a
consistent policy, which needs to continue. Shellman said the
strong community intentions with which ordinances and resolutions
are adopted can be eroded very quickly. Shellman suggested
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zoning this property to use and no more. Shellman pointed out
this application has not been accompanied by an application to
zone it to use, only the representations. Shellman said if this
is subdivided at this time, the city may be setting itself up
for a classic spot zoning argument. If the adjoining property
owner is permitted to develop to high density, there is a good
argument that that same zoning pattern must be and should be
legally extended to this parcel as well.
Shellman said the East Meadows parcel contains uses that are
parasitic to the uses on the rest of the parcel. There is no
restaurant on the East Meadows property, and there could be an
argument by the Institute that in view of the fact those support
facilities are now over utilized, they must be replicated on the
Institute property. Shellman said the most practical method is
to deny the exception and to continue with the longstanding
community policy that this area be planned together. Shellman
presented ballots taken by they WSIA in support or against this
application; 13 were in favor and 86 were against.
Art Daily, representing John Roberts owner of the entire Aspen
Meadows property, told Council when Roberrs a~quired the property
he purchased it subject to an option with the Institute to
acquire the academic parcel. Daily told Council the Institute
asked Roberts what his position was regarding this exemption.
Roberts has authorized Daily to fully support this application.
Daily told Council a principle reason of the Institute's for
this exemption request is that it wants to be its own landlord,
pay its own taxes, and be in command of its own destiny.
Roberts, in his letter to Council, has made it clear it is
important that the Institute agree that a single unified SPA
planning unit remain on the entire 85 acres of the Meadows
property today, tomorrow and perhaps for all time. The city for
15 years has desired a unified development plan for the Insti-
tute property, and Roberrs supports this even though it means
to develop the remainder of the Meadows, he has to obtain the
support of the Institute before presenting the plan to the city.
Roberts supports this application provided the covenant the
Institute is asked to sign is carefully and thoroughly drafted
and satisfies the interests of everyone.
Fritz Benedict, speaking for the Music Associates, told Council
they are in favor of this proposal because they would be able to
get the long term lease they need. Gray Young, Austin & Jordan
representing two property owners in the area, said as adjacent
property owners they have no objection to the recommendation of
city staff regarding the granting of a subdivision exception,
provided the applicant agrees with the recommendation that
despite the separation of ownership, the Aspen Meadows property
is designated on official city zoning maps as a single, undivided
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SPA parcel and that no precise development plans be submitted
which do not comprehensively address development on the entire
ownership of the Aspen Meadows SPA. Young told Council their
clients also agree that no conceptual application should be
submitted without consent from all adjacent property owners.
Young said any transfer of title to the Aspen Institute must not
affect unified planning for the parcel. Young said his clients
agree with the engineer's recommendation that the final platting
of the application show adjacent ownerships, which will clear up
ownership issues in areas contiguous to the parcels as well as
ownership along Meadows road and 8th street.
Walter Ganz, Aspen Community Institute Committee, pointed out
that Aspen has a triad consisting of the Skiing Corporation, the
Music Associates and the Aspen Institute. Without any one of
these elements, Aspen would be in sad shape. Ganz said the
Institute and community are intertwined and have been for the
last 35 years, and without the Institute, Aspen would not be what
it is today. Ganz said all the Institute is asking for is
legitimate title to its property, and it is the obligation of
Council to grant the application.
George Stranahan, Aspen Center for Physics, said they desire to
maintain their programs substantially as at present, substan-
tially in the same buildings and in the same environment.
Stranahan said the Physics Center believes that the exception is
appropriate for 2 reasons; because it is just and right, and
the Institute would, as it has in the past, support their goals.
Bill Wesson told Council he supports the approval of the applica-
tion for exception, which would give legal title for the East
Meadows to the Institute. Wesson said, given the record over the
years of the Institute's commitment to excellence, it seems
appropriate for the city to trust that the motives of the
institute for its development to be sensitive and compliant with
the wishes of the majority of the people of Aspen.
Bill Martin said this is raising the same issues now raised a
long time ago on whether or not the Aspen Institute properties
are going to be developed. Martin said he feels the Institute
is legally entitled to their 26 acres and the Council has
sufficient safeguards to insure that the total property will be
developed as a total parcel. Mary Martin told Council she
endorses the Institute's request for title to their legitimate
property. The Institute has been here longer than anyone else,
they have given land to people. Mrs. Martin said they live on
the most impacted corner of town. Mrs. Martin pointed out
nothing has been developed in Aspen without considerable argu-
ments, considerable planning.
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Richard Fenton, director of ACIC, said after the history of the
last 10 years, it would be very appropriate for Council to make
a gesture of reconciliation. Steen Gantzel said he would like
to see the Institute stay in the community, and would like to
see them submit a plan that includes conference centers, the
Music Associates, the Physics Institute. Hal Clark supports
the exception request as applied for and also a unified plan
for the property. Shellman said the application is not accompa-
nied by a unified plan, and that is the problem. There have
only been oral representations.
Mayor Stirling closed the pubic hearing.
City Attorney Taddune told Council he interprets Schiffer, on
behalf of the Institute, to be saying that as a means of inducing
Council to approve the subdivision exception, it is agreeable to
a unified plan and is willing to consent to that unilaterally.
Schiffer told Council the Institute will, has been and continues
to be in favor of a unified SPA plan for the property. The
Institute approves of and accepts the wording recommended by
Richman in his memorandum.
Councilman Collins said for years the city has been consistent in
asking for a master plan. Councilman Collins said he would like
to condition approval of the subdivision exception based on
acceptance or submittal of a suitable master plan. Councilman
Collins said some of the hesitation about receiving the subdivi-
sion exception prior to the master plan is there isn't any
precedence for this arrangement when there are two pieces of land
in a master plan. Councilman Collins said it would be more
prudent to have the master plan done and then split the ownership
of the property. Councilman Collins said if someone challenges
this arrangement later on for any number of reasons, the city
may wind up with two SPAs out there.
Councilman Collins moved to table this request this evening
pending receipt of an approved master plan as provided by the
current SPA regulations. Motion DIES for lack of a second.
Mayor Stirling moved to grant subdivision exception to the Aspen
Institute for the purpose of its exercising its option on the
26.5 acre academic parcel, also known as the East Meadows,
subject to the following conditions, listed on page 3 of the
planning department's memo which are numbers 1 through 6(b),
6(b) being, "the applicants agreement that despite the separation
of the ownership the Aspen Meadows property as designated on the
official city of Aspen zoning maps continues to constitute a
single undivided SPA parcel and that no precise development plan
application pursuant to Article VII of Chapter 24 may be submit-
ted which does not comprehensively address development on the
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entire ownership of the Aspen Meadows SPA, as per Section
24-7.6(a) Of the Code, and no conceptual application may be
submitted without consent from all owners, as per Section
24-7.3(b); seconded by Councilwoman Fallin.
Councilman Isaac said he is not in favor of this as there is a
whole history of applications and the relationship of the
Institute to the west end. Councilman Isaac said he does not
want to hurry this through without getting any of that history
into the record. Councilman Isaac said the city may get left
with two parcels of land without any zoning at all. Councilman
Isaac said he would like to tie the approval of the land split
with the directions outlined in 1980 stating what the community's
desires are for these parcels of land, how that development
should take place, what would happen in the track area, how the
needs of the Music Associates are being taken care of, etc.
Taddune told Council the Institute is agreeing to the condition
about one parcel. Mr. Roberts, the owner of the remaining
parcel, says the same thing. The city is reacting to a request
that this condition be imposed. Taddune told Council is has
stronger meaning by virtue of the fact that both owners of the
two parcels are requesting, in the interest of master planning,
that this condition be imposed. Taddune told Council at some
time in the future if the partnership breaks up, one partner or
the other is going to come before Council with a problem and
Council will have to respond to the needs and circumstances.
Councilwoman Fallin asked if this is an undivided SPA parcel
regardless of who owns the land, and if Roberts sells his
parcel, will the Institute be able to say the agreement is null
and void because Roberts sold his property. Taddune said he
would interpret the approval to operate as a covenant running
with the land, binding on the successors and heirs of the
respective owners. Taddune said he could require that this
language be on the plat as well as in the statement of exception.
Mayor Stifling amended his motion to state subject to the
attorneys expanded work on the language and acceptable to the
applicant, and bring it back to Council at the continue meeting
September 30th; seconded by Councilwoman Fallin.
Schiffer told Council he approves of the language in the planning
office memo. Schiffer pointed out the city has insurance in
Section 24-7.3(b) that if a parcel is owned by more than one
individual, consent to the application from all owners shall be
required before the application may be processed. Councilman
Collins asked if this will be one or two parcels. Richman said
in staff's interpretation of the zoning maps and of the intent
it is one parcei. Taddune said Council is considering two
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parcels for the purpose of confirming ownership, and that is
all. For all other purposes, it is considered one parcel.
Mayor Stirling said the Institute is not just an amenity, it
is an essential ingredient to the town. Mayor Stifling said this
request clarifies a position of ownership that has been muddied
and muddled over the years. The Institute has been here 35
years, and there is a new owner on the property. The city is
looking forward to the results of the approvals that have been
granted over the last two years. Mayor Stirling pointed out the
Code is dynamic in that it grants Council a certain amount of
discretion. Mayor Stifling said no development is being
requested, Council's actions grant no development rights.
Councilman Collins said he feels the city has been very reason-
able in asking for a master plan. There is an opportunity for
a master plan to come forth that wold be beneficial to all
parties. Councilman Collins said the city should not lose sight
of a master plan, which is essential for this area because it is
a jewel. Councilman Collins said the west end has been a good
neighbor and contributes a lot to the environment and makes the
setting for the Institute. Mayor Stifling said he is glad the
Institute is asking for a subdivision exception and that the
Roberts' group did not exercise their option and that the
Institute has a chance to be legally and identifiably part of
the community.
Councilman Isaac said the city is missing an opportunity. This
is hurrying along subdivision of the largest parcel left in
Aspen. There was an agreement 5 years ago on what form the
development would take. This is an opportunity to get both the
Institute and the Roberrs group to sit down and go over that
agreement. Mayor Stifling said this may result in less develop-
ment rather than more.
Councilmembers Fallin, Walls and Stifling in favor; Councilmem-
bers Collins and Isaac opposed. Motion carried.
Taddune told Council he will present a resolution for approval
at the continued meeting.
1986 -BUDGtET- PUB~I~ -titEAR-ING
Mayor Stifling opened the public hearing. Assistant City
Manager Mitchell told Council the Charter require a public
hearing on the proposed budget, which has to be done 15 days
prior to the certification of the tax levy. Mayor Stirling said
the total projected revenues for 1986 are 4.6% over 1985
revenues. The proposed operating revenues are 4.4% over 1985.
The sales tax revenues are 56% of general fund revenues. There
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is an 8% increase over the 1985 projected budget. Council
continued the public hearing on the budget to October 15.
REVENU E--SHA~ ING~ ~PUB-L-Ie- HE~/~ING
Mayor Stirling opened the public hearing.
Assistant City Manager Mitchell told Council staff anticipates
receiving $92,000 in revenue sharing funds which will be used to
supports the public safety function.
Mayor Stirling closed the public hearing.
Councilman Isaac moved to adopt the use of federal revenue
sharing funds for the purpose of providing police protection
services; seconded by Councilwoman Walls. All in favor, motion
carried.
ORDtNANC~%2n~r-SE~tES-{)b' ~985 - Water Rate Reform
Mayor Stifling opened the public hearing. Councilman Collins
moved to continue the public hearing to October 28, 1985;
seconded by Councilwoman Walls. All in favor, motion carried.
ORgIe~ANeR- #47,~- S~R~I~ ~)F-t985 - Woodburning Amendments
Lee Cassin, environmental health department, passed out some
changes proposed for the ordinance. Ms. Cassin recommended
approval of this ordinance on second reading with these changes.
Jim King, Colorado Health Department air pollution division, is
present to answer questions. Ms. Cassin said there have been
several public hearings, there have been suggestions from these
meetings that have been incorporated into the ordinance. This
ordinance will lift the moratorium in effect. The ordinance
requires in future buildings there be no more than one solid fuel
burning device, and this device is to be certified. The state
pass/fail grade is incorporated so that Aspen does not have a
different standard from the rest of the state.
The ordinance allows people to install a woodburning fireplace,
if they get rid of 3 times more pollution than they add, which
is a method to gradually replace some of the existing high
polluting devices. Lodges will be allowed to put in additional
woodburning devices if they install high efficiency flue
controls. Unlimited number of natural gas fireplaces are
allowed. Ms. Cassin said staff and the CAAB has reviewed a
memorandum from Jeffrey Evans and have incorporated some sugges-
tions into the ordinance. There is a suggestion from Sy
Coleman's not allow burning of fireplaces during alerts which has
some good ideas about how this might be accomplished. This is
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not in the present ordinance, but staff and the CAAB plan to
address this suggestion.
Ms. Cassin told Council that wood smoke is very toxic and
contains a number of carcinogenic compounds, toxic irritating
compounds. Particulates from road dust are largely non-toxic.
Ms. Cassin pointed out that Aspen exceeds the federal health
standards for total particulates in many years. The state has
predicted that Aspen has a high likelihood for exceeding the new
fine particulate standards, which would force Aspen to address
existing devices. MS. Cassin told Council her department
receives complaints about the pollution and questions about why
the town isn't doing anything about it.
Ms. Cassin entered into the record the Environmental Protection
Agency National Air Quality and Emissions Trends report 1982;
1982 Air Quality Emission Inventory for the Aspen, Colorado,
area; Report to the Colorado Air Quality Control Commission by
the Advisory Committee on Residential with full combustion March
1983, Standards Report 1980 through 1984 of the Colorado health
Department and Colorado Air Quality Data Report 1970 through
1984.
The changes are in Section 11-2.3(b)(ii) the word particulate
should be added before pollution ("such that three times more
perticulate pollution is removed") to make clear what is meant.
In the same section, change according to department standards to
department procedures. In the same section, Herb Klein added "of
the existing device (s) to be removed verifying that ~ there -is
present~illtent to--removersaid device ~nd that such device "
Ms. Cassin made some grammatical changes to subsection (c).
Subsection (c) (i) should have the words "provided it has been
demonstrated that it particulate removal efficient for particu-
late of 10 microns or less" to make it more clear. In subsection
(d) every place it refers to natural gas the words "or propane"
should be added. Subsection (d) (i) should start with the words
"unless otherwise specified by the manufacturer". On page 5,
section (c) "and carbon monoxide emissions of less than or
equal to 200 grams per hour at 5,000 feet" should be added to
make Aspen's pass/fail identical to the state pass/fail.
Suzanne Caskey, CAAB member, told Council the CAAB came up with
the ratios of 3 to 1 for replacement of woodburning devices as it
is the same one the county adopted. Council needs to discuss
this ratio to see if they are comfortable with it. Council
should address whether they want to tighten the pass/fail
standards for the stoves. The CAAB had discussed having stricter
standards but decided on adopting the same as those the state
did. Ms. Caskey pointed out that a stove functioning at certain
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pollution levels in Denver will not function as effectively in
Aspen.
MS. Caskey told Council the CAAB is interested in Sy Coleman's
"clean air" theory and would like to institute it but decided
not to incorporate in this ordinance. Ms. Caskey said after the
public hearing, the CAAB changed the ordinance so that hotels
could have more fireplaces if they use more flue technology.
Ms. Caskey said the staff and CAAB is empathetic with people who
want to sit around a warm fire on cold winter days; however,
people are discussing their wants not their needs. Adding
woodsmoke to the air can hurt others. The CAAB has been forced
to take a long term view. Aspen continues to exceed the carrying
capacity of a high altitude narrow valley despite warning and
education; the prognosis is that the air will get worse. Ms.
Caskey said clean and healthy air is not an amenity, it is a
necessity for the health and life of citizens.
Mayor Stifling opened the public hearing.
City Attorney Taddune said the Council will have to pass an
ordinance constituting the Clean Air Advisory Board as an
official Board of the city. This Board will be the variance
board for both the smoking and fireplace ordinances. The CAAB
will still be a joint board for advisory purposes, but the three
city members will hear variances. Sy Coleman said this ordinance
will do nothing to reduce the level of air pollution but the
ordinance will address a decrease in the rate of growth of air
pollution. Coleman said the city needs to address reducing the
current level of air pollution, which is dependent on existing
devices.
Jim Pavisha pointed out that Aspen is not in violation of the
federal fine particulate standard because there isn't a standard
at this point. Pavisha said 60% of the fine particulate matter
comes from road dust, and the monitoring station at the Court-
house could be effected by the amount of traffic on Main street.
Pavisha said the samples have not been tested as to a percentage
of each source of pollution. Greg Sherwin asked if the local
law exceeds the state standard in any way. Mayor Stirling said
the city's ordinance adopts the state's standards and will start
earlier than the state law. Mayor Stifling said this ordinance
does not address existing fireplaces except for the 3 to 1
ratio replacement.
Sherwin asked how this ordinance would affect remodels. Ms.
Cassin said under this proposed ordinance, if a person has an
uncertified device and they want to move it, they have to replace
it with a certified device. Bob George told Council if a person
went in for a building permit to do any remodelling, the uniform
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building code requires adherence to the current ordinances.
Taddune said only new devices will be governed by this ordinance.
Ms. Cassin said the only part of the house that has to be
brought up to code is the part that is being remodeled. George
told Council in the county in a remodel, he had to abate a
fireplace. George said this point should be clarified in the
ordinance. George said in the past it was in vogue to eliminate
natural gas and propane and to use woodburning as a heating
method. George said the problem has to be addressed, but is
against the ordinance as written.
Gideon Kaufman told Council he feels it important to tighten up
the standards about what constitutes a certified device, this is
a positive step. Kaufman said he has worked with the Clean Air
Advisory Board in the county in adopting a variance procedure,
and it is working. Kaufman said the variance procedure allows
people a method of installing devices legally. Kaufman told
Council 3 to 1 replacement ratio is not 3 to 1, it sometimes
takes 4 or 5 devices to reach the threshold. Kaufman said this
approach closes the door on new people coming in. Kaufman said
there is a need to clean up the air but it should be put on
everyone equally. Each citizen has an obligation to help clean
up the air. Kaufman told Council the city has to decide how
best to spend their money; rather than buying a park, they could
purchase existing devices.
Barbara Schey said the alert system should be addressed in this
ordinance as it is more equitable. Ms. Roach said she would
like to see the public being given more credit for their ability
to respond. The city should rely more on voluntary compliance
rather than legislation. Steve Hopp said it may be short-sided
to encourage the use of natural gas as there may be shortages in
the future as there were a few years ago. Ms. Caskey said
putting this in the ordinance was a compromise for people who do
not want to add heat but do want the amenity.
Jim Martin said this law will not solve the problem over the
long haul, and there are other things that may be more effective.
Martin said if the public is informed that their fireplaces are
adding to the black cloud, they will cooperate and avoid burning
before the smog is created. Sy Coleman said it may be the wrong
approach to legislate what people can put inside their homes.
The real public interest is the impact on the public health
outside the homes and lodges. Coleman said there are scientific
ways of regulating what people may do in terms of what comes out
of the smoke stack. Coleman said it may make more sense to ban
burning on certain days, and this would apply uniformly to
everyone. Pavisha agreed Coleman's solution is better than the
proposed ordinance.
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John Doremus said the staff has been convinced enforcement would
be unbelievable. Doremus said enforcement will cost money but
will not be that difficult. Doremus said he would would like
the CAAB to reconsider this approach because of the strong
sentiment in favor of non-burning days. Jim King, state depart-
ment of health, told Council trying to predict the next day's
air pollution is difficult and the program of voluntary compli-
ance of not driving was not very successful in the Denver area.
Herb Klein said the 3:1 replacement program is an opportunity to
solve concerns that have been expressed and ought to reduce air
pollution. Klein told Council Coleman's proposal has merit if it
were clear it would work. There are problems because an inver-
sion has to be predicted, which is difficult, and then people
have to be notified. Enforcement Of people burning during an
inversion would be after the fact.
Dwight Shellman extended his thanks to the Clean Air Board as
unpaid citizens doing a very hard job, and hoped Council will
follow their recommendations. Sally Roach said that people
willing to sell their fireplaces probably don't use them anyway.
Doremus said he believes this phenomen will be going across the
county, and someone will come along with a solution that really
works and this ordinance will be outdated. George said the other
70% of the pollution has to be addressed as well as fireplaces.
Mayor Stirling closed the public hearing.
Councilwoman Fallin said this is a first step toward solving the
problem. Councilwoman Fallin said the air in this valley has to
be cleaned up by everyone and this ordinance should be presented
to the county and to Snowmass Village. Councilwoman Fallin
agreed the parking situation has to be resolved. Councilwoman
Fallin said RFTA should be encouraged to purchase clean buses,
and that the buses on arrival at Rubey park should turn their
engines off immediately. Councilwoman Walls said she hopes the
CAAB will present Council with an ordinance to deal with the
existing fireplaces. Councilman Isaac said he would like the
confusion about remodeling cleaned up.
Councilwoman Walls moved to adopt Ordinance #47, Series of 1985,
on second reading as amended with the clarification on remodel-
ing; seconded by Councilwoman Fallin.
Mayor Stirling said the city should start where the largest
problem is, with the buses and cars. Mayor Stirling said the
smoking issue is all negative, no smoking is controllable and
enforceable and is applied universally. Mayor Stifling asked
how much the enforcement will cost the city. Ms. Cassin said it
would take a full time person to work on voluntary compliance
and on Coleman's proposal. The existing ordinance takes about
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one 1/2 time person. Mayor Stirling said there are benefits of
a fireplace, cooking, heating the house. Fireplaces are one of
the highest requested amenities from guests. Mayor Stifling
said he would like to examine limiting times of burning rather
than fireplaces before adopting this ordinance. Mayor Stifling
said this ordinance is inequitable, some people can have fire-
places and some cannot. Mayor Stirling said he does not feel
this will help with the existing problem. Councilman Isaac
agreed the city should tackle controlling the existing fire-
places. Councilman Isaac said he would like the property
managers to put together a program for controlling this.
Roll call vote; Councilmembers Walls, yes; Isaac, yes; Collins,
yes; Fallin, yes; Mayor Stifling, no. Motion carried. Mayor
Stifling thanked the Clean Air Board for all their work.
Cf}DE~ AMENDMEN~-RE- ~ L-e~-S-PL-I~S
Gideon Kaufman told Council if someone wants to do a lot split,
it is required there be a pre-existing dwelling on the lot.
Kaufman said in 1974 lots were merged into one ownership. The
only way to unmerge is to go through the lot split procedure.
One of Kaufman's clients wanted to sell two lots, and had to
construct a dwelling in order to sell off the lots. Councilwoman
Walls said she would be in favor of this code amendment.
Kaufman said this is the antithesis of the GMP in that it
requires development.
Mayor Stirling moved to direct P & Z to initiate the process of
amending Section 24-11.2(d) of the Municipal Code addressing
that undivided parcels have to have a dwelling; seconded by
Councilwoman Walls. All in favor, motion carried.
PA{N~I~G - eN THB -B4~AND B{31DD~N8
Gaard Moses told Council if one is going to paint something over
20 square feet, they have to have the approvals of HPC and
Council. Moses presented his painting, and told Council a wall
design was put on this spot in the 1930's. Moses said the
painting will contain the Silver Queen, Patriotic Sons of
America, who met in this building, and other historic elements.
Mayor Stirling moved to give permission to Harley Baldwin to
hire someone to paint the south wall of the Brand building
during the renovation; seconded by Councilman Collins.
Councilwoman Walls said she would like the motion to include
changing the sidewalk back to its original. Councilman Isaac
agreed that sidewalks should be discussed.
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All in favor, with the exception of Councilmembers Isaac and
Walls. Motion carried.
ORDINAN~ej~ ~#54,~E~R~IEe~eF 1985 - Council Meetings Outside Corpor-
ate Limits
City Manager Schilling said this is a follow up after a report
by the accessibility committee. Staff has been working with the
committee to implement some of the no cost options to move
toward accessibility. The proposal is to move Council meetings
from this room, which is fairly inaccessible, to the Community
Center. The city attorney has pointed out some risks of making
that move. City Attorney Taddune said the ordinance presents
findings that the Community Center is an acceptable alternative
for meetings, it is within walking distance of city hall, is
more accessible to the handicap and there is an abundance of
parking.
Councilwoman Fallin asked if the staff researched other places
for meetings as the meeting room at the community center is not
a great place for meetings. Mayor Stifling said he feels
meeting outside the city limits is questionable. Mayor Stirling
said the meeting room will be relocated on the first floor of
city hall in the next year. Mayor Stirling pointed out the
Council needs materials from staff offices during meetings.
Councilman Isaac moved to read Ordinance #54, Series of 19857
seconded by Councilwoman Walls. All in favor, motion carried.
ORDINANCE #54
(Series of 1985)
AN ORDINANCE ESTABLISHING THE MEETING ROOM OF TEE
COMMUNITY CENTER LOCATED AT 0100 LONE PINE ROAD IN THE
UNINCORPORATED AREA OF PITKIN COUNTY AS AN ALTERNATIVE
PLACE TO CONDUCT MEETINGS OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE
CITY OF ASPEN was read by the city clerk
Councilman Isaac moved to adopt Ordinance #54, Series of 1985,
on first reading; seconded by Councilwoman Walls. Roll call
vote; Councilmembers Fallin, yes; Collins, yes; Isaac, yes;
Walls, yes; Mayor Stirling, no. Motion carried.
ORD~-NANCtE~ #55~, SER~E~-OF--~985 - Red Roof Inn Sale
City Manager Schilling reminded Council on August 12 they
accepted an offer from Red Roof to purchase this property over a
period of time. Red Roof conditioned the offer on the Council
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having the right to approve the prospective buyer. Council has
a packet from MPM, who is proposing to buy the Red Roof. The
proposal alters the term purchase from a 4 year buy out at 10
percent interest to a 5 year buyout at 10 percent with a $500,000
down payment at closing. Staff supports the extension of one
year as the money must go to bond redemption payouts, it would
be in the city's interest to have a longer term.
City Attorney Taddune told Council this is a non-recourse note
and the city would only have the property to fall back on.
Taddune told Council he would prefer a recourse note. Taddune
told Council the ballot question governs the development. The
ordinance outlines the basic elements of sale price of
$2,500,000; $500,000 cash at closing; $2,000,000 at 10 percent
interest, note is non-recourse. The lease will be terminated by
agreement, and the city will have no further expectations.
There is consent by the city of resale to a third party.
Dick Wilhelm, representing MPM, told Council they have agreed to
liability for repairs to the roof as the rooms have leaks
showing so this is a matter of urgency. Schilling recommended
Council direct staff to refine the agreement before second
reading of the ordinance. Wilhelm told Council the potential
purchasers are himself and three partners. The packet presented
to Council outlines the background of the partners. Wilhelm
said his group would like to get in the property and get it
ready for this winter season. Wilhelm said the tentative name
is Aspen Lodge and Country Club. Councilwoman Walls said she
objects to any more names containing Aspen. Councilman Collins
asked who pays the real estate commission. Schilling said there
may be a commission that may be a debt of the city. Mayor
Stirling asked about the real estate transfer tax. Taddune said
the RETT would be exempt on the first stage and payable on the
second when the transfer goes from Red Roof to the partnership.
Mayor Stifling moved to read Ordinance #55, Series of 1985;
seconded by Councilman Isaac. All in favor, motion carried.
ORDINANCE #55
Series Of 1985
AN ORDINANCE APPROVING AN AGREEMENT FOR PURCHASE AND
SALE OF REAL ESTATE BETWEEN RED ROOF INNS, INC. AND
THE CITY OF ASPEN, COLORADO PROVIDING FOR THE SALE OF
LOT 2, GOLF COURSE SUBDIVISION (COMMONLY KNOWN AS "THE
RED ROOF INN") BY THE CITY OF ASPEN TO RED ROOF INNS,
INC. FOR THE PURCHASE PRICE OF TWO MILLION FIVE
HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS ($2,500,000.00), SETTING
FORTE THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS FOR SUCH SALE, AND
AUTHORIZING TEE MAYOR TO EXECUTE SAID AGREEMENT AND
ALL OTHER DOCUMENTS NECESSARY TO ACCOMPLISH SAID SALE
Reqular Meeting Aspen City Council September 23, 1985
ON BEHALF OF THE CITY OF ASPEN was read by the city
clerk
Councilman Isaac moved to adopt Ordinance #55, Series of 1985,
on first reading; seconded by Councilwoman Fallin. Roll call
vote; Council members Isaac, yes; Fallin, yes; Walls, yes;
Collins, yes; Mayor Stifling, yes. Motion carried.
Councilwoman Walls moved to continue the meeting to September
30, 1985, at 6:00 p.m.; seconded by Councilman Isaac. All in
favor, motion carried. Council left Chambers at 10:45 p.m.
K~h, City Clerk
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