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HomeMy WebLinkAboutcclc.min.11141996 COMMERCIAL CORE & LODGING COMMISSION 11-14-96 Special DeliVery Meeting - was ~alled tO Order by Sub'committee members Jack Stanford and Bill Dinsmoor. Jack stated to Staff that the issue is whether it is possible to Come up with a policy that would make Aspen's streets a little more usable for our pedestrians and local traffic by eliminating some of delivery truck schedules or at least regulating them so that they are not taking up so much space in the middle of the day. He also stated that there were two meetings with the delivery truck individuals and tWo with retailers and now City Staff is being addressed. Jack also stated there are several resort areas that have curfews and regulations concerning delivery trucks. Thoughts were regulate axle size, set an hour when every truck is out of town and after talking with all the individuals the sub-committee came out with new ideas. After a few meeting the axle idea was eliminated and beverage trucks will be a problem. They are coming in half full and the use of smaller delivery trucks was brought up. It was stated that their bosses do not want to unload in GlenWood. There are special need vehicles. FEDX, UPS and small vehicles that deliver all day long. All the delivery Vehicle people stated that everyone is for the program with a couple of caveats. It is a good idea and would help the city. The retails all have different needs but. the general consensus is that this is a good idea depending on how it is put together. The foggy framework is if we were to let the delivery people have the streets maybe with more liberalized parking up to a certain hour in the morning and after that time put them in the alleys. The delivery people do like to get in and out early. He also stated that he saw dozens of trucks in his mind blocking the alleys. They truckers didn't think so as they have their own code of getting things done in the alleys and the work together. If one guy parks his truck at the exit and won't move the other get upset and the next time that person will find himself blocked in. The delivery truck people don't seem to have a big problem with the 11:00 idea in the alleys. Jack also stated that the merchants were terrified at first because they stated that they need to get their merchandise in and up on the sh~Ives, issUes were brought up like, what if the pass were closed and they can't get in by 1 COMMERCIAL CORE & LODGING COMMISSION 11-14-96 11:00 a.m. Jack stated that it is simple they come in after 11:00 and go into an alley. Ail it means is that they Will have to walk further to drop offtheir merchandise. On a smaller scale we need to decide how they can crop something offwithin three or four minutes and park on the street. Right now they plug meters or have some method of paying park!ng. If they have a commercial delivery pass they put it in the windshield and if they park on the street they will still get a ticket. If they park in the alleYs they don't get a ticket. We need to move those cars out of the alleys onto the street legally. In order for this to work all must work together. Jack Reid stated that an unloaded beer truck coming to town speaks real strongly for odd-day delivery. Let them come in on Monday, wednesday and Friday or Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday with a full truck. He feels it will cheapen up their cost of deliveries and they will have a days less trip. It might be cheaper for the merchants because they Would get more at a time and get better discounts. Jack brought to light the parking meter issue and how the merchants were upset and th~ program now works due to the thorough research. This could help merchants if a customer does not have to negotiate a semi and two or three other delivery Vehicles that are parked and double parked and staggered and literally blocking the street in Order to get to a store. People will go into a store if they can get there. Bill stated as it relates to deliveries the restaurant community felt they could benefit and also be hurt by this program. One of the reason is that the trucks are too big and they are here five days a week. They have perishable or sensitive products that have to be handled differently than most UPS packages. There are sensitive needs about refrigeration. If delivery trucks delivered by address and went right down the alley and drop it offthey are done and out of town in way less time. That is more efficient for the delivery trucks and they support that concept. It also saves them money and frees up the alley for other smaller deliveries. There are some problems such as how do you deal with it if someone is late. What is the enforcement mechanism to make that happen, fines? How do you encourage restaurants that are not used to receiving deliveries until 2:00 p.m. to take one earlier in the day. Should they provide a key or some access to a third party to receive a product on behalf of the restaurateur. In Vail if yOu don't pick it up you have to go to another area. 2 COMMERCIAL CORE & LODGING COMMISSION 11-14-96 Bill stated that there was talk about a drop off depot someplace out of town. In reality it would probably cause more problems but it has not been · dropped entirely. The notion is that you need to deliver from the alley and not the street to make the delivery. Jack Reid stated that if you deliver by address there will be a progression through the alley and deliveries in order. If there is a break down and he is three hours late he still can get in the alley later in the afternoon and it is only one truck. Bill stated that they could still do his deliveries in a much more efficient way. Getting the deliveries offthe streets by a certain hour doesn't make it more efficient, it just makes the streets cleaner. We can make the alleys work by being sterner with offenders in the alley who are illegally parked or using the areas that were for dumpsters for parking spaces and are encroaching into the alley. Some small delivery vehicles are parked all day in the alleys and they indicate that they might have to make another delivery from or to their own business. Jack Reid stated as far as placing restrictions or boundaries on delivery trucks, you are only taking about regularly scheduled or every other day trucks over which we have potential control. Tom Rubel asked if trucks could still park on the mall? Tim Ware, Parking Director stated they can go on the mall depending on the size of the vehicle and they have to be out by 11:00 a.m. Bill also stated that CCLC is working on the Red Onion alley extension behind Wagner Park. Tim Ware stated that there are a few businesses that do not have alley access from the mall. Big vehicles are not allowed on the mall. He also stated that they do not ticket deliveries before 10:00 a.m. He stated that he felt the weakness in the proposal is the business owner himself. Possibly proper deliveries could be tied to their liquor license (accept you deliveries prior to 11:00 a.m.). 3 COMMERCIAL CORE & LODGING COMMISSION 11-14-96 Tim Ware stated ~at there are g°lng to be businesses who d° not want to open before I 1:00. Jack Reid stated that if this is t° work and.it is determined that the best way is deliverY by addreSs etc. then there is going t° have to be 'striCt regUlati°ns. Bill stated that the city has numerous regulations on the books that are not enforced. This needs to have teeth, voluntary and good cooperation works for only a short time. There are numerous people who only care about themselves and their deliveries. We have already heard that businesses say they will be forced out of business etc. Ultimately the decision of city council. Parks wants the small deliveries on the mall addressed. Tim Ware stated that an example is the Pam Driskol gallerY and their deliveries of large statues. They have to have their statues delivered from the mall. Bill stated that in the Red Onion alley they have to back out. Becky Blaine stated her slant is public safety which would be if there was a fire in the alley, an emergency situation. Tim Ware stated that business owners will not come in until 10:00 a.m. Jack stated that the compactor program is a start to get the deliverY vehicle circulation. A truck going around the block three or four times polluting needs addressed. Jack Reid stated that there are issues for snow removal. No parking 3:00 p.m. to 7: a.m. sets the time to snow plow in the core. Bar parking barely clears out by 3:00 p.m. Tim Ware stated that the person having a private property spot in the alley needs addressed. Trucks block their spots. 4 COMMERCIAL CORE & LODGING COMMISSION 11-14-96 Tim Schnacke stated that he likes the idea of everyone working together. If you force everyone in the alley those having private parking spaces will complain. UPS does not pay their tickets and that needs addressed. Tim Schnacke stated that he has been working with the LIPS drivers. Tim Schnacke stated that he had an idea of a business permit and small trucks can park in the residential zone. Jack Reid stated that parking needs opened up in the city after 11:00 a.m. There is no one in town before that hour. Jack stated that the hanging meter works. Bill stated that we do not want to move the problem from one area to another. Bill stared that the alleys need striped. Meeting adjourned at 11:00 a.m.