HomeMy WebLinkAboutminutes.council.19871123Aspen City Council Regular Meeting November 23, 1987
EMPLOYEE BONUS AWARDS 1
ORDINANCE #47, SERIES OF 1987 - Growth Management Quota
System Amendment 3
ORDINANCE #50, SERIES OF 1987 - False Alarms 5
ORDINANCE #53, SERIS OF 1987 - Amending the Fireplace Code 6
ORDINANCE #56, SERIES OF 1987 - WAPA 7
ORDINANCE #58, SERIES OF 1987 - Castle Ridge Contract
Amendment 7
RFTA SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATION 8
LOT SPLIT - Marshall 9
1988 BUDGET/CAPITAL BUDGET 10
HADID ASPEN MOUNTAIN LODGE SCHEDULE 11
LIQUOR LICENSE RENEWAL - Copper Ket~~e 14
DORMITORY HOUSING SITE SELECTION 16
ORDINANCE #59, SERIES OF 1987 - Iselin Parking Lease 19
REQUEST FOR ENCROACHMENT - C Associates Building 21
ORDINANCE #60, SERIES OF 1987 - Appropriations 22
ORDINANCE #61, SERIES OF 1987 - Vested Right Legislation 23
ORDINANCE #57, SERIES OF 1987 - Tow Fees 24
ORDINANCE #62, SERIES OF 1987 - Designating 215 W., Hallam
Historic 24
ORDINANCE #63, SERIES OF 1987 - Amendment to MEAN Contract 25
PROPOSAL TO LEASE RED ROOF INNS - Aspen Skiing Company 25
ELLI' S 28
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Aspen City Council - --Regular Meeting November 23. 1987.
Mayor Stirling called the meeting to order at 5:00 p.m. with
Councilmembers Isaac, Tuite, Fallin and Gassman present.
EMPLOYEE BONUS AWARDS
Mayor Stirling said in 1986 the city began a new quarterly bonus
program that honors employees who have done an outstanding job.
Kim DiSalvo, police department, was nominated for volunteering to
assist with the Public Safety Council and for her assistance with
the completion of a new disaster plan. Ms. DiSalvo was presented
a check and plaque by the Council. Patti Baker, finance depart-
ment, was nominated as she volunteered to "wear many hats" in the
department as well as performed her routine responsibilities
accurately and efficiently. Ms. Baker was presented a check and
plaque by Council.
Susan Hawks, Data Processing Department, was nominated for the
exceptional manner in which she provided CEO training and opera-
tional services as well as the extra time she spent in the
implementation of CEO. Ms. Hawks was presented a check and
plaque by Council. Dominic Lanese, golf department, was nomin-
ated f or his willingness to accept additional responsibilitie s,
and as a result of this effort the city was able to complete golf
improvements and to purchase a grinder from budgetary savings.
Lanese was presented a check and plaque by Council.
Rich Rianoshek, chief of police, told Council Gary White,
nominate d f or this award, completed a most impressive piece of
investigative work. Rianoshek told Council very few people would
have stuck on an investigation for three and a half years and
gone through what it is necessary to resolve a case like this.
Rianoshek told Council White has lived through this investigation
and carried the emotional burden of a murder investigation.
White invested an enormous amount of time of his own on this
investigation. Council presented a check and plaque to Gary
White.
CITIZENS COMMENTS
1. Lee Miller thanked Council for their efforts on Ordinance
#41, the Galena and Mill street improvements. Miller informed
Council all the homeowners associations have voted 100 percent in
favor of voting assessments on themselves. Miller told Council
he is in the process of collecting these assessment to remit to
the city January 1988.
2. Ed Cross told Council last summer he purchased a 20-punch
golf pass. Because of a variety of reasons, he found he was not
able to use the pass. Cross told Council he contacted the
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recreation department requesting a credit toward the coming
season. Cross said the only reason refunds are given are for
medical excuses. Cross said he feels credit for the next season
is a reasonable request. Mayor Stirling said people do not
requests refunds for their ski pass non-use. Cross said the golf
course is owned by the citizens of the community, and this should
be resolved in favor of the citizens. Cross told Council he
petitioned the recreation department for a credit when he had not
used one single punch.
Mayor Stirling moved to refer this to the city manager and have
him report back to Council December 14th; seconded by Council-
woman Fallin. All in f avor, with the exception of Councilman
Isaac. Motion carried.
3. Tony Dumas told Council a formal proposal was put forward
this morning for the Red Roof Inns. Dumas said he would like it
included in the discussion of VII k). City Manager Bob Anderson
told Council the city also received an offer in the mail from
someone willing to put in a cash offer if they can use the
property this winter. Anderson recommended these all be con-
sidered under the Skiing Company's request later on the agenda.
4. Craig Ward said he thought the trails contract between the
city and the Nordic Council was going to be on the agenda. Ward
said the insurance the city is going to use for the trails system
has to have a contract signed before they can issue certificates
of co-insurance to the landowners and the Nordic Council. Cindy
Shafer, finance director, said this is a 1988 budget item and did
not see the urgency of the issue. Mayor Stirling suggested
dealing with this at the December 9th budget hearing. City
Manager Bob Anderson said he is not sure the contract is in final
order. Mayor Stirling asked staff to see if there is anything
that can be done in the interim.
COUNCILMEMBER COMMENTS
1. Councilman Gassman said the city sanded the streets at the
beginning of last week. The last 4 days have been in the 40's
and nothing has been done about picking up the sand. Councilman
Gassman said this issue is something Council is unanimous on.
Councilman Gassman pointed out last week Council was told that
street sanding is 32 percent of the PM 10 pollution. Councilman
Gassman said nothing has happened about cleaning up the sand;
there was no problem with the water freezing; the snow was
melting. Councilman Gassman appealed to the staff to get this
going. City Manager Bob Anderson said he will c heck this out
with the streets department.
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2. Councilwoman Fallin suggested on the agenda that all the
first readings of ordinances be grouped together somewhat similar
to the consent agenda. Mayor Stirling said there is always
Council discussion on a first reading, possibly to amend the
ordinance. Councilman Isaac said he would prefer to leave the
agenda the way it is so that Council can have discussion on first
reading and there is more community awareness on ordinances on
first reading. Councilwoman Fallin questioned if the city needs
as many ordinances as they have. Council requested this be a
discussion item on the next regular meeting.
3. Councilman Isaac said he is putting his support behind
having it snow. It is now time.
4. Councilman Tuite said there has been discussion about Elli's
and he would like to move it from the Information Items to Action
items. Councilman Tuite moved to have Elli's as VII 1); seconded
by Councilman Isaac. All in favor, motion carried.
5. Mayor Stirling said the CCLC has made an appeal to the chief
of police about parking in the off season. Mayor Stirling
concurs with this recommendation and feels the city has to
restrict parking in the off season. Councilmembers Fallin and
Gassman agreed with this recommendation.
6. Mayor Stirling acknowledged the work of the Cantina. Mayor
Stirling reminded Council the Cantina requested a street closure
to have a benefit for the hospital . Council denied that request
and recommended they hold the benefit at the Cantina. Mayor
Stirling said the Cantina recently held a benefit for the
hospital at their restaurant. It was a big success and Mayor
Stirling passed on accolades to the Cantina.
7. Mayor Stirling suggested in the next 6 to 10 months Council
consider doing something special for Elizabeth Paepcke. Mrs.
Paepcke is the founder of modern Aspen and will be 85. Mayor
Stirling said he would like Council to talk about specific things
the city might do.
8. Mayor Stirling acknowledged the life of Red Rowland and his
tremendous presence around town. Rowland brought a lot of spirit
and goodwill to the town.
9. Mayor Stirling asked if the Rubey Park building was deducted
from the commercial GMP allocation. Alan Richman, planning
director, answered this is an essential community facility and
was not deducted from the GMP.
ORDINANCE #47 , SERIES OF 1987 - Growth Management Quota System
Amendment
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Alan Richman, planning director, reminded Council this was tabled
tw o weeks ago at the request of the city attorney in order to
prepare legislation to deal with vested rights. Richman told
Council staff thought the vested rights may have an impact on
this ordinance; however, it has only minor effects but staff
wanted to make sure the two ordinances worked together. Richman
told Council this is a request to change the GMP expiration
provision because of the effect of expiration on land sub-
divisions. Staff evaluated the problem of the way these provis-
ions effect land subdivision and determined it was not the
purpose to try and f orce development into building to avoid the
expiration of GMP growth allotments. Richman said staff also
determined it was not the city's purpose to perpetuate specula-
tive projects. Richman concluded there needs to be some form of
expiration provision in the code.
Richman told Council the vested rights legislation pointed toward
recommending a procedure in compliance with the new state law
which states one has three years f rom the date of f final approval
of site specific development plan to pursue the development. The
recommendation to Council is to treat land subdivisions different
from multi-family, commercial and lodge projects. Richman
pointed out that single family-type subdivision have a substan-
tial investment in the property by the initial owner who t hen
sells off lots to people who needs to know they will be able to
build and not lose the development rights. Richman said in these
cases, the owner can request permanent exemption from the 3 year
expiration provision, based on the determination that the project
is in compliance with its subdivision agreement and has been met
the conditions that was imposed on it and has installed the
requirement improvements.
Richman said for multi-family, commercial and lodge projects
will not have the ability to request exemption but will have the
ability to request extensions. This deals with single buildings
that have significant impacts on the community. Richman said in
these cases, Council needs to make determinations whether it is
in the community's interest to extend an approval beyond the 3
year period. Richman said the ordinance contains criteria f or
extensions, which are quite similar to what is in effect
presently; due diligence and that conditions are being met and
improvements are being installed.
Gideon Kaufman questioned (cc) in the criteria for exemptions,
which states "sale of some or all of the lots has occurred, or
that circumstances which coul d not be controlled have prevented
any sales from taking place" . Kaufman said when a developer
complies with all requirements imposed upon them and spends money
to make all the improvements, and economics dictate when the
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lots should be sold, an applicant should not have to argue w by
they have chosen not to sell the lots. Kaufman said this is an
economic decision. Kaufman said he feels (cc) is a burden f or
which there is no benefit.
Mayor Stirling opened the public hearing. There were no com-
ments. Mayor Stirling closed the public hearing.
Richman told Council (cc) is least significant of the 3 criteria.
Richman said the reason (cc) is in the ordinance is that this is
granting a permanent exemption from the expiration provisions and
the community may want as much information to make that decision
as possible. The community may want to know, if no lots are
sold, what the market condition is. Councilman Gassman said he
does not care if the lots have been sold as long as all the
conditions have been met. Kaufman said (cc) is a very subjective
criteria, and the detrimental aspect of it outweighs the bene-
fits.
Councilman Gassman moved to delete (cc); seconded by Councilman
Tuite.
Councilman Tuite said when lots are approved, the city thinks
they are coming on line. Nothing happens, an allotment of the
GMP has been used up, no new revenues sources have come in.
Councilman Tuite said if the city is going to re-evaluate GMP,
the city needs what has been approved to be built in a fairly
short time to be able to see the impacts.
All in favor, with the exception of Councilman Tuite. Motion
carried.
City Attorney Taddune pointed out he has used the term "site
specific development plan" which is a concept included in the
vested right legislation and defined in the ordinance.
Councilman Isaac moved to adopt Ordinance #47, Series of 1987, as
amended on second reading; seconded by Councilman Gassman. Roll
call vote; Councilmembers Tuite, yes; Isaac, yes; Gassman, yes;
Mayor Stirling, yes. Motion carried.
QRDINANCE #50. SERIES OF -1-9$7 - False Alarms
Mayor Stirling opened the public hearing. Tom Dalessandri,
police department, requested this be tabled to January 11, 1988,
in light of continuing discussion with the alarm companies.
Councilman Isaac moved to table Ordinance #50, Series of 1987,
until January 11, 1988; seconded by Mayor Stirling.
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Councilman Gassman said during budget hearings, Council all
thought this was a good idea. This keeps getting tabled because
the security companies do not think it is a good idea. Council-
man Gassman said he would be in favor of passing this. Council-
woman Fallin said during budget time, Council was all in agree-
ment to raise the fees because they thought they were too low.
Councilwoman Fallin said she is only willing to table this until
the next regular meeting. Dalessandri told Council during the
conversations, it has been discussed to have the city do the
billing. Staff is going to research some other cities that do
the billing. Dalessandri said the sheriff's department works on
an hourly basis f or their alarms. The police department changed
from an hourly to a flat rate. City Attorney Taddune said the
alarm companies have a lot of statistics and model ordinances
from other communities. Dalessandri said the police department's
position is strong but they are willing to listen to alterna-
tives.
Councilman Isaac moved to amend the motion to table this to
December 14, 1987; seconded by Mayor Stirling. All in favor,
with the exception of Councilman Gassman. Motion carried.
ORi?II~fi~NC~---~#5~~~~--S-E~2IS --fly`- x9-87 - Amending the Fireplace Code
Lee Cassin, environmental health department, told Council the
existing woodburning law in the city allows every building to
have one fireplace and one certified stove. This ordinance would
bring the city law the same as the county so that people can
install an extra device by buying up other people's right. Ms
Cassin said there has been interest in extending this law into
the city.
Mayor Stirling opened the public hearing.
Gideon Kaufman said he thinks this ordinance is a good oppor-
tunity for people until the city decides to take more drastic
measures relating to fireplace pollution. Kaufman said with the
3 to 1 off set in the county, it may not be a large improvement
but it is beginning to make a dent. Kaufman said the city has
nothing to lose by this ordinance. Bil Dunaway said the Clean
Air Advisory Board just changed their policy to allow gas logs in
the variance, and asked why this is not in the ordinance. Ms.
Cassin said in order to obtain a v ariance, people t o have t o
apply to the CAAB, demonstrate they have removed 3 times more
pollution than they have added and that there is a net public
benefit. Ms. Cassin told Council the CAAB has decided to let
someone sell their rights to a fireplace they have not put in
yet. A person can deed restrict a new house without a fireplace
and get credit for it. Ms. Cassin told Council if people want
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extra fireplaces, they can get a variance but they have to put
gas logs in it.
Mayor Stirling closed the public hearing.
Councilman Isaac moved to adopt Ordinance #53, Series of 1987, on
second reading; seconded by Councilman Tuite.
Councilman Tuite asked how this ordinance will be enforced. Ms.
Cassin said the environmental health department is keeping a
record of all people allowed to put in an extra fireplace, where
in the house they put it. They keep a record of everyone who has
sold their right to a fireplace. The environmental health
department does not have a program to go out and inspect. The
properties are deed restricted. A person who sells their rights
has to show a picture or give proof of that. Ms. Cassin told
Council they have implemented a permit procedure for every
woodburning device that is installed.
Roll call vote; Councilmembers Gassman, yes; Isaac, yes; Fallin,
yes; Tuite, yes; Mayor Stirling, yes. Motion carried.
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Assistant City Manager Mitchell explained this is a contract to
purchase about 5 percent of the city's power needs from Western
Area Power Association. This power will be at least 40 percent
less than what the city is paying MEAN.
Mayor Pro Tem Fallin opened the public hearing. There were no
comments. Mayor Pro Tem Fallin closed the public hearing.
Councilman Isaac moved to adopt Ordinance #56, Series of 1987, on
second reading; seconded by Councilman Tuite. Roll call vote;
Councilmembers Tuite, yes; Isaac, yes; Gassman, yes; Fallin, yes.
Motion carried.
ORI}iNANCE-#58----uERIE-S---f7F---19`8-7 - Castle Ridge Contract Amendment
Assistant City Manager Mitchell said Castle Ridge Associates is
requesting to amend exhibit H to the contract. This deals with
the operating expenses which are used to calculate the rent
increases. Castle Ridge Associates is not requesting that
Council deal with the rent increase in 1987. They will adhere to
the contract, which requires them to apply for a rent increase in
April of the year and have this increase effective in July.
Mitchell said in looking at the long term effect of the contract,
there appears to be some cash flow problems for the owners and if
rents continue to increase at 6.4 percent, the rents will be
equal to the maximum of the housing guidelines. Mitchell told
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Council between now and April, staff will be working with the
housing authority and with the owners of Castle Ridge to come up
with amendments to the contract to deal with the long term issues
of making Castle Ridge affordable and making it reasonable for
the investors to keep the project and to maintain it as employee
housing. Mitchell recommended this amendment be approved and
staff will continue to work on the long term solutions.
Councilman Tuite said the situation is that everyone wants the
rents to be affordable yet they want the project to be main-
tained. Councilman Tuite said there are cash flow problems, and
it makes it difficult to put improvements in. Councilman Tuite
said after reviewing the entire contract, he can recommend
approving exhibit H, but the entire contract will have to be
examine d again. City Attorney Taddune said the amendment will
require, and the owner has agreed to, a reserve and replacement
fund to be set aside and all expenditures will be run through
that account. Mitchell said the owners will either spend the
money or will set it aside in escrow in order to calculate the
rent increases in 1988.
Mayor Stirling opened the public hearing.
Julie Peters, tenant, said they will agree with the amendment to
exhibit H, provided they can be sure that a reserve and replace-
ment schedule is set up. Councilman Tuite said this is a
mechanism where the owners can set money aside f or improvements
that will be needed in the future. The owners will get benefit
if restricting that money's use so they can get rent increases.
Councilman Tuite said and R and R schedule is being worked out
with the owners and the housing office.
Mayor Stirling closed the public hearing.
Councilman Tuite said in order for the owners to get the rent
increases they need, money will have to be put into the project
so the owners will benefit. Councilwoman Fallin said one concern
she has heard was the on-site manager. Councilwoman Fallin urged
the owners look at hiring someone from the community with a
commitment to the community to be the on-site manager. Tom Lacy
said he would be willing to look into this. Gene Zafft, repre-
senting the owners, told Council they do have a couple living on-
site . Zaf f t said they also hope with the involvement of the
housing authority there will be an improvement management
situation.
Roll call vote; Councilmembers Isaac, yes; Fallin, yes; Gassman,
yes; Tuite, yes; Mayor Stirling, yes. Motion carried.
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Bruce Abel, general manager of RFTA, presented a supplemental
appropriation resolution, which is a housekeeping item. Abel
said the city has requested RFTA do the improvements to the
alley as part of the Rubey park project. Abel said it is
necessary to appropriate revenues from the city and expenditures
for th i s project . Abel tol d Council early in the project it
became apparent it would be appropriate to remove the trees off
the site and replace it with new landscaping. Abel said this
resolution also incorporates the contributions from Hadid Aspen
Holdings to refund part of the transportation study. Councilman
Tuite asked if the city has replaced Guido's fence. Abel said it
has not been replaced. The project is on hold for the alley work
due to weather. Councilman Tuite said he would like the fence
repaired regardless.
Councilwoman Fallin moved to approve the supplemental appropria-
tion for RFTA; seconded by Councilman Tuite. All in favor,
motion carried.
Lf~ HPL~ - Marshall
Glenn Horn, planning office, told Council this is an application
for subdivision exception to create a lot exempt f rom growth
management. The existing parcel is about 13,000 square feet.
This parcel is located on Lake avenue overlooking Hallam lake.
Horn told Council the parcel is heavily wooded and has a small
Victorian house on it, which is historically designated. Horn
said the pertinent issue is the impact on Hallam lake and the
adjacent property owners. Horn told Council staff has worked
with the applicant in setting a complete building envelope on the
newly created parcel and a partial building envelope on the
existing parcel to protect Hallam lake and the neighbors. Horn
pointed out there are a lot of trees on the parcel, which the
applicant has committed to replanting or replacing. The appli-
cant has also committed to take a new house on parcel 2 through a
voluntary review of HPC. The applicant has met with Hallam lake
representatives, who has added conditions or the approval. Based
on the setbacks, the building envelopes and the conditions
outlined, P & Z and staff both recommend approval.
Jane Ellen Hamilton, representing the applicant, told council the
applicant acceded to every request from Hallam Lake. The
applicant has also voluntarily increased the setback quite
significantly from what the Code requires. Ms. Hamilton said the
applicant will commit to relocating the trees that will have be
to taken out to build the building.
Mayor Stirling opened the public hearing. Mayor Stirling read
into the record a telegram strongly opposed to this lot split
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from Victor Lundy. Bill Martin asked if the present home is to
be destroyed. Mayor Stirling said the house is a historic
landmark. Ms. Hamilton said the applicant has no intentions of
destroying the house. Councilman Gassman said he does not see a
building envelope on parcel 1. Horn said the applicant has
agreed to limit the setback on the rear yard to 20 feet. Horn
said he discussed with P & Z a front yard setback to maintain the
existing front yard. P & Z did not support the recommendation to
set the front yard setback in excess of the existing code. Horn
said it is doubtful there will be an addition on the south side
as there are 3 tremendous cottonwoods which set the tone for the
whole parcel. Horn said it is unlikely the applicant would be
permitted to remove those trees. Mayor Stirling suggested adding
a condition to preserve the existing front setback and the south
side setback.
Councilman Gassman moved to add condition 9 that an addition to
the existing house not encroach into the sideyard more than it
does and not encroach more to the south than it does on parcel
1; seconded by Mayor Stirling. All in favor, motion carried.
Councilman Isaac said it is unfortunate what has happened along
Lake avenue. There has been a lot of development along the
street. Councilman Gassman said he does not want to approve
something in excess of the new R-6 regulations. Horn said t he
development will be subject to the new FAR regulations.
Mayor Stirling closed the public hearing.
Councilman Isaac moved to approve the Marshall subdivision
exception and growth management exemption for the purpose of
creating 2 lots with the 9 conditions listed in the planning
office memorandum; seconded by Councilman Tuite. All in favor,
with the exception of Councilwoman Fallin. Motion carried.
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Mayor Stirling said this public hearing will be continued to set
the mill levy to December 9, 1987. Mayor Stirling opened the
public hearing.
Doug Carlson presented a proposal prepared by Dick Butera as an
alternative to spending 550,000 on consulting fees for the
parking structure. The proposal shows a 3 story parking garage
on the Rio Grande property that has as an alternative 24,000
square feet on top to be used for city/county offices. 300
parking spaces could be provided in this parking garage. Council
suggested this be discussed December 9th. Mayor Stirling asked
if the storm drainage for 1989 includes the west end and Smug-
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gler. Cindy Shafer, finance director, said this includes that
area.
Councilwoman Fallin moved to continue the public hearing on the
1988 budget to December 9, 1987; seconded by Councilman Isaac.
All in favor, motion carried.
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Alan Richman, planning direction, reminded Council at the last
meeting Joe Wells, representing the applicant, made Council aware
of some timing problems regarding processing a GMP amendment
request for this application. Richman said the scheduling
problem is not staff inability to deal with this application.
There are a lot of residential GMP applications, there is the
desire to adopt the new city code, and this cannot all get to P &
Z in a timely manner. Richman said the work load will delay this
applicant by about 3 weeks. Richman told Council with the March
16th deadline, this delay does cause the applicant some problem.
Council will not see this application until late February.
Richman said because the 3 week delay is not the applicant's
problem, staff is recommending a one month addition to the 6
month extension to take the deadline to April 15th.
Richman told Council the applicant is interested in showing
Council some ideas about the site so that they can get feedback
to see if they are on the right track. Richman outlined the
process of a GMQS amendment process in a memorandum. There is a
rescoring of the project by P & Z to determine if the project is
as good or better than it originally was. If a project continues
to fall into the same criteria and continues to meet the thres-
hold, then Council has before them determination of appropriate-
ness of the amendment. Richman told Council they have an
approval of record and are not required to approve something
unless it is an improvement or an appropriate change based on
change s which have occurred in the community. Mayor Stirling
said Council should discuss the two issues separately; the
request for a 30 day extension, and the intention of sharing the
design changes.
Councilwoman Fallin said she does not favor any more extensions;
however, this extension comes more from the staff and city boards
for more time to hear the application. Councilwoman Fallin said
she is willing to give the 30 day extension. Councilman Tuite
asked if 30 days is adequate. Richman said with the current
processing schedule it is. Perry Harvey, representing the
applicant, said they feel 30 days is enough. However, if they
get into discussions with P & Z and Council during the process,
Harvey said he hopes there would be an understanding that if the
applicants are responding and Council is making requests for
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changes, that the applicant would not be up against a wall at
April 15th. Harvey said the applicants would very much like to
break ground in the spring. Richman said the reason f or the 30
day recommendation is that the city's delay is causing 15 to 20
days.
Mohamed Hadid said he would like to review design changes before
Council discusses the extension. Mayor Stirling said he does not
feel it i s appropriate for Council to see any of the project.
Mayor Stirling said that would be usurping the function of P & Z.
P & Z is going to rescore the amendments and proposed changes in
context of the PUD and will make recommendations to Council.
Mayor Stirling said f or Council to preempt to process would not
be in the best interest of the citizens.
Councilman Gassman said he is opposed to this extension.
Councilman Gassman said staff has said Council should consider
appropriateness. Councilman Gassman said this project is in
great flux, and if Council keeps extending it, Council never
talks about the appropriateness of this project as a hotel or as
a land use project. Councilman Gassman said the city is assuming
that the decisions made 4 years ago are still valid. Councilman
Gassman contended was what appropriate in 1984 may well not be
appropriate in 1987. Councilman Gassman stated by continually
carrying an old project, the city never asks the fundamental
question, is this hotel appropriate to the economic, social,
hotel conditions that exist today.
Harvey said this issues will
Harvey said the applicants feel
want the community to feel the
said that is what the process is
would 1 ike to present to Council
amending to get Council's input.
be discussed during the process.
this project is appropriate and
project is appropriate. Harvey
for. Harvey said the applicants
the elements they are looking at
Councilman Isaac moved to grant a 30 day extension for the
deadline within which the Aspen Mountain Lodge project must pull
a building permit to April 15, 1988; seconded by Councilman
Tuite. All in favor, with the exception of Councilman Gassman
and Mayor Stirling. Motion carried.
Councilman Isaac said he would like to see the applicant's
presentation but does not f eel it is appropriate to make any
comments. Councilman Gassman said he is concerned about land use
issues, and it is not the Council's role to be a design commit-
tee. It is the role of city boards, 1 ike HPC and P & Z, to
assure things are built and designed well. Councilwoman Fallin
said it is totally inappropriate for Council to look at these
plans and inappropriate to make any comments on the plans. Mayor
Stirling said the Council's role is acting on behalf of the
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community on issues of scope, scale, size, quotas, and height.
Mayor Stirling said it is not appropriate for Council to get
involved in the process at this point.
Councilman Tuite said he would be willing to see the presenta-
tion, without comment. Councilman Isaac said he f eel s it is
important for the community to understand what the project is
about. Harvey said he thought Council would want some input into
design before it goes to P & Z. Harvey said it appears that the
design review and the appropriateness of the GMP amendment s is
being left to P ~ Z. Harvey said if the understanding is that
P & Z does that work and Council signs off on it, he will take
the design directly to P & Z. Harvey said his concern is that
this amendment will go through P & Z, come back to Council and
will get into the type of input that it went through at concep-
tual stage. Mayor Stirling said the proposed amendments go to P
& Z for rescoring, which is brought to Council. Council will
then discuss, and may not accept all the recommendations.
Richman said typically a GMP amendment has a technical determina-
tion if it still meets the thresholds, is it still a similar or
better score. After that, P & Z evaluates the project and
applies conditions based on the most current evaluation of the
project. These conditions range from design issues, service
issues, compatibility issues, and Council does have some level of
discussion of these issues. Richman said Council is in a more
discretionary and broader position of looking at the project.
Mayor Stirling moved that Council not react or see preliminary
drawings at this meeting but that the process began as set up;
seconded by Councilwoman Fallin. All in favor, with the excep-
tion of Councilmembers Isaac and Tuite. Motion carried.
Harvey said the applicants have brought in a design team to help
expedite the process and to get some reaction from Council.
Harvey said they would like to foreshorten the process as much as
possible. Harvey said he would like a consensus from Council
that if the applicants are in the process and are working on it,
and the April 15th deadline comes, that they are not going to get
cut off. Councilwoman Fallin said she understands the dilemma
but does not want to short circuit the system. Councilwoman
Fallin said if it will help the process, she would be willing to
have joint meetings with P & Z or special meetings.
Bob Hughes said under the assumption there was going to be an
initial presentation, the applicants brought a lot of equipment
and manpower. The applicants would like to educate the city and
to make forward progress. Larry Yaw said what the applicants are
proposing would not obfuscate the process. Art said Council is
the final decision maker on this and is passing the buck w hen
they shouldn't. Lee Miller said the sooner the Council looks at
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this, the better off the community will be. Councilman Tuite
said he would be willing to have joint meetings with P & Z or
special meetings in order to expedite the process. Mayor
Stirling agreed.
L IC?~JL-7R--~ i~ ~ENEWAI, - Coppe r Ke ttl e
Mayor Stirling said this is an informal renewal hearing. There
has been some interest from the public on this renewal, and
Council has the right to have informal hearings. Sirous Saghato-
slami, owner, told Council there are rumors that there has been
underage drinking in his establishment. Saghatoslami said this
is a problem everywhere. Saghatoslami told Council no complaints
have been brought to his attention for any violations of the
liquor code. Saghatoslami's attorney has talked to the city
juvenile officer, who has no knowledge of any complaints filed.
The city's juvenile officer said the Copper Kettle does as good a
job as anyone in town in enforcing the liquor code. Saghatoslami
told Council the Kettle works with the police in enforcing ID
checks and works very hard to comply with the law. Saghatoslami
said the city's juvenile officer confirmed that fake IDs have
been turned in from the Kettle.
Saghatoslami reminded Council the law does not prohibit minors
from being on the premises. Saghatoslami said his establishment
checks IDs and prohibit minors from the premises in order to
eliminate minors from being served. Saghatoslami pointed out
his establishment does a more than sufficient business from the
over-21 crowd. Saghatoslami told Council he has personally met
with the school principal and parents advisory committee.
Saghatoslami said he not only tries to keep kids out of the
Tippler but would welcome any suggestions to enforce the liquor
code. Saghatoslami said he has doormen posted as both entrances
to check IDs. All em ployees are trained regarding minors and
all employees are required to sign a document regarding their
obligation to not serve minors.
Saghatoslami said from time to time the high school athletic
director comes to the Tippler to see if he can locate any minors
on the premises. Saghatoslami stated the community should do
something in the way of a teen center. The kids have nowhere to
go at night to dance and to have fun. Saghatoslami told Council
he has had non-alcohol nights and has hosted the SADD dance.
Saghatoslami said he has offered financial support toward the
forming of a teen center.
Councilwoman Fallin said she is not interested in taking anyone's
liquor license away. Councilwoman Fallin said no matter how hard
any one tries, you cannot keep every kid out of bars. Council-
woman Fallin said there should be a commitment on Council's part
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as well as the police department to assist the bars in making
routine checks on the weekends. Councilwoman Fallin said she
would like to see every effort made by Council, the restaurant
association, ASAP, and parents to work together to achieve a teen
center. Councilwoman Fallin said the owner of the Paragon made
an offer to have a teacher at the door carding people.
Willie Jordan told Council that Vail has a successf ul teen
center. The mayor of Vail and the operator of that teen center
are willing to come to Aspen and talk about their operation.
Jordan said the essence of the problem is that there is nothing
for kids to do. Saghatoslami said the police routinely come
through the Tippler 3 or 4 times a night, and the Tippler has
asked them to do so. Saghatoslami said the police have given
them great service, and they have a great rapport with the police
department. Saghatoslami told Council he sends his personnel to
liquor enforcement seminars every year. Saghatoslami said kids
are very resourceful, they do sneak in.
Larry Dragon, ASAP, said their job is to heighten awareness and
to educate. Dragon said there have been some complaints about
the Tippler, but it seems the Tippler is trying to do a good job
in preventing this. The Tippler has been every cooperative and
has tried to make some changes. Dragon noted the Tippler has
sponsored the SADD dance and has offered to do it again this
year. There was a training offered by the TIPS program, which
Saghatoslami is going to pass on to his employees. Saghatoslami
is going to start a designated driver program this fall. Dragon
encouraged Council to talk to licensees and support these type of
programs.
Mayor Stirling said there have been attempts over the years to
establish a teen center. Mayor Stirling said he does not f eel
the city should be running a teen center. The city should try to
provide a facility. Mayor Stirling suggested with every renewal,
there should be a commitment from every licensees to support the
attempts at a teen center and the efforts of ASAP. Saghatoslami
said he is willing to offer time as a consultant to help design a
teen center. Dragon said ASAP offers training twice a year for
liquor servers and would like support from Council on that kind
of program.
Don Helmick, North of Nell building, told Council some adjacent
property owners met with staff and discussed at length the noise
problems related to the Tippler. Helmick said the basic problem
is incompatible zoning with residences and bars in the same
block. Helmick suggested the Council be aware of the need for
more police help in the area to control the behavior between
midnight and 3 a.m. around the Tippler. Helmick said the
presence of law enforcement in that area would help, and the
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police department has indicated a willingness to step up the
enforcement. Tom Dalessandri, police department, told Council
the chief of police has issue a directive for concentration in
the area of the Tippler from midnight to 3 a.m. Dalessandri said
that bar checks are a high priority in the police department.
Dalessandri said the police department has responded to false ID
calls from the Tippler in the last year; they are doing their
job.
Pete deGregorio told Council in his appearances at bars, Saghato-
slami has shown a more positive attitude and has tried to w ork
with the school in any way possible. Lee Miller, manager of the
Tipple Inn, said there is a noise problem in the neighborhood.
Miller requested assistance from the city and police department
in containing some of the late night noise. Miller told Council
the financial impacts are tremendous; people check out early.
Councilman Isaac noted he had requested this be taken of f the
consent agenda to have a discussion. Councilman Isaac said he
is impressed by what he has heard and feels the Tippler is doing
everything they can to keep kids out of the bar. Councilman
Isaac said the Tippler is setting an example for other bars in
town. Councilman Isaac said he feels having all the liquor
1 icenses contribute to ASAP is a good proposal . Mayor Stirling
said he has been interested in a teen center for years, and
Council would like to hear any proposals and interest from the
community. Councilwoman Fallin suggested a work session early in
1988. Mayor Stirling requested the city manager f ollow up t he
noise problems with the environmental health department and
report back to Council. Saghatoslami told Council in the last 8
years when the environmental health department have taken decibel
measures, the Tippler has not exceeded the city noise ordinance
yet.
Councilman Isaac moved to renew the liquor license for the Copper
Kettle; seconded by Councilman Tuite. Councilwoman Fallin
requested the motion contain the recommendations outlined by
Saghatoslami. Councilman Isaac amended his motion; seconded by
Councilman Isaac. Mayor Stirling said pursuing contributions to
ASAP and to a teen center should be a separate issue. All in
favor, motion carried.
DQR~MITOR~' ..~~~NG-_ -gi7`R.____S~-FC~`IO-iV
Jim Adamski, housing director, recommended that the city use the
Red Roof Inn for dormitory housing with a contract with a private
management firm until the city finds a successful buyer. Adamski
reminded Council the housing office told them earlier there would
be a housing shortage. Adamski said the housing office would
1 ike to work with the purchaser so that the M.A.A. will be able
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to use the Red Roof next summer. Adamski recommended that the
Hunter Longhouse site be expanded to house 37 employees. Adamski
said this is contingent on the fact that neither the Koch or
Marolt are available by February 1988. Adamski is requesting a
question on the ballot to see if the electors will allow employee
housing to be placed on Koch or Marolt property. The third and
fourth recommendations are to develop Koch and a portion of the
Marolt/Thomas property. Adamski told Council staff has been
through the sites and there are not a lot available except f or
these 4 different alternatives.
Fritz Benedict, representing the M.A.A., told Council they have
not increased the student body in the last 8 years. There are
between 600 and 700 students at one time. Benedict told Council
the available housing has shrunk. Some of the lodges that were
used for housing students are now used as short term housing for
tourists. Benedict said the M.A.A. cannot compete in this
market. Benedict said the M.A.A. can build more structures at
the music campus. This would mean f ill ing in the ponds and
cutting down cottonwood trees in order to get what they need.
Benedict said besides housing, they need rehearsal rooms and
teaching studios. Benedict said if the M.A.A. had rehearsal
rooms and teaching studios, they could house some of the faculty
in Snowmass. Benedict said it does not work to try and teach
students at Snowmass because of the transportation. Benedict
told Council apartments for student housing are also becoming
difficult to rent.
Adamski pointed out P & Z resolution 87-10 states the Red Roof
should be used for temporary relief for low income housing.
Councilman Isaac said at a study session recently, the choice of
3 Councilmembers was the south end of Marolt as the best site
for dormitory housing. Councilwoman Fallin said Council had also
said they did not want any housing at the Koch lumber property.
Councilman Isaac said the southern portion of the Marolt property
was given to the city rather than purchased with sixth penny
funds. Councilman Isaac said the Koch lumber parcel is only
adequate for 20 rooms and no food facility. Adamski said they
will remove the recommendation for the Koch lumber property.
Adamski said the housing authority feels a couple of sites will
be needed. Councilman Isaac pointed out that Hunter Longhouse is
not in the city.
Councilwoman Fallin said there are some older lodger in the east
end, and in the early days were dorm housing. Councilwoman
Fallin suggested looking into allowing dormitory housing for
these older structure. Mayor Stirling said the city is trying to
respond to the need of the M.A.A. for summer housing and to the
need for winter seasonal employees. Bil Dunaway said some of
these old lodges are currently full of employees. Adamski said
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additional units are needed. Jim Curtis, housing authority, said
there is nothing in the code preventing existing units from
renting on a short term basis if there were an economic motive to
do so. Curtis said the only motivation would be if the housing
authority bought some of these properties.
Councilman Isaac moved to direct the housing department to
develop the south end of the Marolt/Thomas property as dormitory
housing for M.A.A. and for winter housing; seconded by Councilman
Tuite.
Mayor Stirling said he has problems with using the portion of the
Marolt property. Mayor Stirling said it was donated; however, it
is part of the open space purchase. Mayor Stirling said a
certain portion of the Marolt/Thomas property will be used as an
access into town. This open space will be eroded. Mayor
Stirling agreed about not using the Koch lumber property. Mayor
Stirling said he would like to look into the suggestion of buying
and converting existing properties. Mayor Stirling said projects
like this should not be run by the government. Adamski said the
housing authority feels this should be run by the private sector;
the housing authority should be a facilitator to assist the
private sector in making it happen. Councilwoman Fallin said
some of the of de r 1 odges may, in the future, be purchased and
used as something else. Councilwoman Fallin said employees may
be displaced anyway. Adamski said even if some existing lodges
were bought, the town would be short of units. Adamski said they
will have to do something in addition. Councilman Isaac said
Council has been discussing having an election in spring for
other issues. This might be a good time to go to the electors to
see if they are willing to use the Marolt property for employee
housing. Councilman Gassman said there is one older lodge that
would not involve displacing anyone, the Red Roof Inn. Council-
man Gassman said the city is trying to use open space for housing
when they have an empty facility that no one is getting any
benefit out of .
All in favor, with the exception of Councilman Gassman and Mayor
Stirling. Motion carried.
Jim Curtis said the housing authority would like Council's
acceptance of using cash-in-lieu money to prepare and submit an
application for the expansion of Hunter Longhouse. Curtis said
this is one of the four components of the recommendation to
Council.
Councilman Tuite moved that the housing authority use up to
$15,000 of the city's cash-in-lieu fees f or the preparatio n of
documents to address Hunter Longhouse expansion; seconded by
Councilman Isaac.
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Councilman Isaac said he has problems spending this money before
the city knows how the commissioners or the neighborhood feel
about this project. Adamski said they are planning on building
18 studios. Councilman Isaac said he is concerned about spending
city money on a project done with private funds that is located
in the county. Councilwoman Fallin agreed, and said she does not
like doing this as piecemeal as this. Councilwoman Fallin asked
about the possibility of using the community center. Tom Baker,
planning office, said because of the situation with the city
county offices, the county feels they have to preserve the
community center for office options. Baker said the Commis-
sioners' first priority is office space, and not to displace the
existing offices.
Councilman Gassman and Councilman Tuite in favor,; Councilmembers
Isaac, Fallin, and Mayor Stirling opposed. Motion NOT carried.
Adamski said nothing will be built next summer. If the election
is in March, nothing can be built. Adamski urged Council to look
at the Red Roof for next summer for music students. Curtis said
the housing authority is trying to respond to the urgency
expressed this fall. Councilman Tuite said the differentiation
between city funds spent is the county is silly. Hunter Long-
house is 200 yards outside the city, and it will house people
working in the city. Councilman Tuite said if the project is
going to help the city, it doesn't matter whether it is in the
city or county.
Mayor Stirling moved to reconsider the Hunter Longhouse deci-
sions; seconded by Councilman Gassman. Mayor Stirling said he
feels Councilman Tuite makes a good point. Councilmembers Tuite,
Gassman and Mayor Stirling in favor ; Counc ilmember s I saac and
Fallin opposed. Motion carried.
Councilman Tuite moved to use up to $10,000 of the city's
housing-in-lieu fees for work to begin on Hunter Longhouse study;
seconded by Councilman Gassman.
Councilwoman Fallin said she is for the expansion of Hunter
Longhouse; however, before she votes in favor of this expendi-
ture, she would like a commitment from the county and operators
of Hunter Longhouse that this can happen.
All in favor, with the exception of Councilmembers Fallin and
Isaac. Motion carried.
QRD-IN~N~CE- #-5-~: ~RR~i~~~ -flF"--i~8-`7 - Iset in Parking Lease
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Councilwoman Fallin moved to read Ordinance #59, Series of 1987;
seconded by Mayor Stirling. All in favor, motion carried.
ORDINANCE #59
(Series of 1987)
AN ORDINANCE APPROVING A PARKING AGREEMENT BETWEEN
MATRIX SKI CORPORATION AND THE CITY OF ASPEN FOR THE
LEASE BY THE CITY TO MATRIX OF FIFTY (50) PARKING
SPACES AT ISELIN PARK FOR THE SUM OF $3,000.00 PER
YEAR, SETTING FORTH THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF SUCH
LEASE, AND AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR TO EXECUTE SAID LEASE
ON BEHALF OF THE CITY OF ASPEN was read by the city
clerk
Councilman Isaac moved to adopt Ordinance #59, Series of 1987, on
first reading. Motion DIES for lack of a second.
Assistant City Manager Mitchell told Council Matrix approached
the city to lease 50 parking spaces at Iselin during the winter.
Currently, Iselin park is only used as a bus stop and some cross
country ski parking during the winter. Matrix propose s to pay
the city $3,000 annually plus the cost of snow removal. Mitchell
told Council the city already does snow removal to provide for
the bus turn out. Mitchell said there appears to be no downside
for the city, and this does provide the city with additional
revenue.
Councilwoman Fallin said she has trouble leasing city property to
a group that wants to use city property to provide for a require-
ment the county is making in their GMP approval. Councilwoman
Fallin said she might approve a one-year lease but not a f ive-
year lease. City Attorney Taddune said the lease is drawn for
two years to meet the county requirements. Taddune said the
proposed lessor has agreed with the right to terminate within 60
or 90 days.
Lee Grossbard, project manager for the Aspen Highland Hotel, told
Council they are requesting an initial two-year term, with one
year terms thereafter. Grossbard told Council the county is
convinced they have all the parking they need on-site with 164
underground spaces. The neighbors have asked that for the first
two years they get some off-site parking to supplement that on-
site to determine for sure there is sufficient parking. Gross-
bard told Council it is their intention to use Iselin park to an
absolute minimum to prove that that is sufficient parking on
site.
Jane E11 en Hamilton, representing the applicant, said the
applicants do not believe they will need the off-site parking and
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are getting it as a good f aith gesture to the Aspen H andlthere
Ms. Hamilton said if the applicant s numbers are wrong
are more cars coming to the hotel, they will have a placeCoo orak
them that will be acceptable to the d inota necessar it y f Ind a
tion. Ms. Hamilton said the P & Z di
shortfall in the parking requirements but adopted the test of
adding off-site parking for two years.
Councilman Gassman said, although this makes slot'businessa
problem with the city going in nottfee P the nstreet department
Councilman Gassman said he does
can undertake any more work than they do now. Mitchell estimate
the streets department already plows this lot, and they
is will only take an hour to do this additional work. Councilman
Tuite pointed out this already is a parking lot. Councilman
Tuite asked what the applicants will do if it is pradd i Tonal
parking is needed. Grossbard said they will develop
parking on-site, or at another off-site place, °rthf thee cityy
wants to continue it, they will negotiate wi
Grossbard said they have the space on-site but lcertain cthe
5225,000 to develop and he would sl ite t Grossbard said the
parking is needed before he develop
parking at Iselin will be strictly valet park nt ' f oro one yearn
Fallin said she would only approve an agreeme
City Manager Bob Anderson said this is $12usin moubl ice land cto
Councilwoman Fallin said she has problems g p
satisfy a private developer's requirement r'oval lwas Agrantedy
Taddune pointed out wleasehthel Rio Grandeaparking lot for the
the city agreed to
Jerome's cars.
Councilman Isaac moved to adopt Ordinance #59, Councilmembers
seconded by Councilman Tuite. Roll call vote;
Gassman, no; Isaac, yes; Tuite, yes; Fallin, no; Mayor Stirling,
no. Motion NOT carried.
REO~E~ ~-EN~Rf~ - - C Associates Building
(Councilwoman Fallin lef t the room due to a conf 1 ict of inter-
est). Chuck Roth, engineering department, told Counnillocatedsto
request for encroachment/easement f Council du Bing t he GMP proce-
the west of city hall. Roth told
dure, the applicant requested a reduction in trashe aan arealas
area under the statement they do ail then a d 1 icants were not able
required by code. Roth told Cou PP
to get their gas meter in the trash and utility area. Roth told
Council this could be an easement request as onewhichrthe Thrift
the alley, it is on the city-owned property
Shop is located.
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Mac Cunningham, applicant, told Council they had everything set
up to go inside. Cunningham inherited this building already
through the GMP process. Cunningham said the gas company told
him they did not want to put the meter in the trash utility area.
Cunningham told Council the gas company had a vested right
because the meter had previously been located on the Thrift Shop
property. Cunningham showed pictures of the existing gas meter
and the utilities located on one spot on the back of the Thrift
Shop property, which has been the historic location f or all the
services. Cunningham said he was prepared to located this where
the GMP proposal sited it, but the gas company does not want it
located there. Cunningham said this is a completely revokable
encroachment. City Manager Bob Anderson said he does not f eel
the gas company can insist that someone's meter is on city
property. Roth said a gas meter is specific to one building; the
transformer is an appurtenance to the alley and a common and
shared item.
Councilman Tuite moved to approve the encroachment agreement
between the city of Aspen and C Associates; Motion DIES for lack
of a second.
Mayor Stirling moved to direct the applicant to work with the gas
company to locate this on their property in conjunction with the
engineering department; if there is no other way to deal with
this, come back to the December 14th agenda; seconded by Council-
man Gassman.
Cunningham said all the other utilities are located in this spot,
and asked what the objection to this re uest is.
said a gas meter is a particular use for this bu lding StiMalor
Stirling said it i s incumbent upon applicant' s to f ind space yon
their property for their utilities. Cunningham reiterated he was
prepared to locate the gas meter on his property, and the ga s
company refused that location.
All in favor, motion carried.
QR$i N~~--# ~--- gE~i~g-6F-..._1-.9.8-7 - Appropriation s
Councilman Tuite moved to read Ordinance #60, Series of 1987;
seconded by Councilman Isaac. All in favor, motion carried.
ORDINANCE #60
(Series of 1987)
AN ORDINANCE RECOGNIZING GENERAL FUND REVENUES OF
X28,000; APPROPRIATING GENERAL FUND EXPENDITURES OF
$68, 000; APPROPRIATING LAND FUND EXPENDITURES OF
$ 6 5 , 0 0 0 ; RECOGNIZING TRANSPORTATION FUND REVENUES OF
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$20 , 000; TRANSFERRING $20 , 000 FROM THE TRANSPORTATION
FUND TO THE GENERAL FUND; TRANSFERRING $40,000 FROM THE
TRANSPORTATION FUND TO THE 1982 SALES TAX REFUNDING
REVENUE DEBT SERVICE FUND; RECOGNIZING ASSET REPLACE-
MENT FUND REVENUES OF $62,100; APPROPRIATING ASSET
REPLACEMENT FUND EXPENDITURES OF $316,800; TRANSFERRING
$145,000 FROM THE 1985 SALES TAX REFUNDING REVENUE DEBT
SERVICE FUND TO THE 1987 SALES TAX REFUNDING REVENUE
DEBT SERVICE FUND was read by the city clerk
Councilwoman Fallin moved to adopt Ordinance #60, Series of 1987,
on first reading; seconded by Councilman Tuite. Roll call vote;
Councilmembers Fallin, yes; Isaac, yes; Tuite, yes; Gassman, yes;
Mayor Stirling, yes. Motion carried.
OOH-I-i~idCE---#-6~~%-gE~R-i~-S ~~ ~ i-9-89 - Vested Right L e g i s l a t i o n
Councilman Isaac moved to read Ordinance #61, Series of 1987;
seconded by Councilman Tuite. All in favor, motion carried.
ORDINANCE #61
(Series of 1987)
AN ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTERS 20 AND 24 OF THE
MUNICIPAL CODE OF THE CITY OF ASPEN TO IMPLEMENT THE
PROVISIONS OF ARTICLE 68, TITLE 24, C. R. S, AS AMENDED,
PERTAINING TO VESTED RIGHTS was read by the city clerk
Councilman Isaac moved to adopt Ordinance #61, Series of 1987, on
first reading; seconded by Councilwoman Fallin.
City Attorney Taddune told Council he would like some insertions
on first reading. One insertion is historic preservation
approval as one of the approvals subject to vested rights
legislation because it is a site specific development planning
Taddune said where the P & Z is discussed, HPC should be
included. Taddune recommended deleting from (B) condominiumiza-
tion and adding "historic preservation final approval". In
section C also adding "in those matters delegated to historic
preservation commission". Taddune told Council in this ordinance
he tried to incorporate all the features of the vested rights
legislation, not to expand on it. Taddune said there is a
checklist for staff which requires that any ordinance or resolu-
tion set f orth certain paragraphs to define and limit the scope
of the vested rights approval, or the site specific development
approval as permitted by the state statutes.
Councilman Isaac amended his motion to adopt Ordinance #61,
Series of 1987, as amended; seconded by Councilwoman Fallin.
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Roll call vote; Councilmembers Gassman, yes; tuite, Yes; Isaac,
yes; Fallin, yes; Mayor Stirling, yes. Motion carried.
Mayor Stirling asked if this legislation effects projects already
approved. Taddune said the effective date of the legislation is
January 1, 1988. Taddune said this will come into effect after
1988, if the Council grants a site specific development plan.
Taddune said if Council enters into an amended agreement with an
applicant, they should be concerned about the vested rights
legislation.
(~RH-~idA-i'dCE---#`-5~; --HRR-i~--fjF-----i9-~$7 - Tow Fees
Councilwoman Fallin moved to read Ordinance #57, Series of 1987;
seconded by Councilman Isaac. All in favor, motion carried.
ORDINANCE #57
(Series of 1987)
AN ORDINANCE ESTABLISHING A TOWING FEE OF 545.00 FOR
ANY VEHICLE IMPOUNDED UNDER THE AUTHORITY OF SECTION
22-20 OF THE MODEL TRAFFIC CODE FOR COLORADO MUNICIPAL-
ITIES WITH ADDITIONAL AUTHORIZATION TO AMEND THE
AFOREMENTIONED TOWING FEE BY RESOLUTION IN THE EVENT
THE IMPOUND L OT IS RE-LOCATED TO A SITE OUTSIDE THE
CITY OF ASPEN was read by the city clerk
Councilwoman Fallin pointed out this ordinance said the tow fee
can be amended by no more than 510 if the impound lot is relo-
cated. Councilwoman Fallin asked what if the impound lot is
moved to the dump. Rocky Whitford, police department, said if
the towing company takes cars to the dump, up to a 510 increase
will be approved by resolution. Councilwoman Fallin asked if 510
is enough. Whitford said that increase was negotiated with the
towing company.
Councilman Isaac moved to adopt Ordinance #57, Series of 1987;
seconded by Councilwoman Fallin. Roll call vote; Councilmembers
Tuite, yes; Isaac, yes; Fallin, yes; Gassman, yes; Mayor
Stirling, yes. Motion carried.
O R I3-I--N~A-i~-F---~#-fr-~---~-~-g~~- -~-p~-- --}--g $~ - D e s i g n a t i n g 215 W. H a 11 a m
Historic
Councilwoman Fallin moved to read Ordinance #62, Series of 1987;
seconded by Councilman Isaac. All in favor, motion carried.
ORDINANCE #62
(Series of 1987)
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AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL DESIGNATING 215 W.
HALLAM STREET AS A H, HISTORIC LANDMARK STRUCTURE
PURSUANT TO SECT ION 24-9.3 OF THE MUNICIPAL CODE wa s
read by the city clerk
Councilwoman Fallin moved to adopt Ordinance #62, Series of 1987,
on first reading; seconded by Councilman Tuite.
Steve Burstein, planning office, showed Council photographs of
this structure. The owner has requested historic designation.
The house was built in 1890 and does meet some of the criteria
for historic designation. It is of traditional historic style
and is significant to the character of the neighborhood.
Burstein told Council alterations have occurred to the building,
and the owner has volunteered to do a restoration program within
2 years. Staff, HPC and P & Z recommend historic designation.
Roll call vote; Councilmembers Fallin, yes; Gassman, yes; Tuite,
yes; Mayor Stirling, yes. Motion carried.
ORD~iCE--~6~;---~-R-~~g--f}~- ig-g~ - amendment to MEAN Contract
Councilwoman Fallin moved to read Ordinance #63, Seris of 1987;
seconded by Councilman Tuite. All in favor, motion carried.
ORDINANCE #63
(Series of 1987)
AN ORDINANCE APPROVING THE AMENDMENT OF EXHIBIT B TO
THE SUPPLEMENTAL AGREEMENT DATED JUNE 25, 1984, BETWEEN
THE CITY OF ASPEN AND MUNICIPAL ENERGY AGENCY OF
NEBRASKA REVISING THE FORMULA FOR CALCULATING THE NET
DEMAND OF THE CITY OF ASPEN MINUS THE HYDROELECTRIC
CAPACITY DURING ASPEN'S PEAK HOUR, PROVIDING THAT THE
REVISED FORMULA BE IMPLEMENTED STARTING WITH THE
SEPTEMBER, 1987, BILLING, AND AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR TO
EXECUTE SAID AMENDMENT ON BEHALF OF THE CITY OF ASPEN
was read by the city clerk
Councilwoman Fallin moved to adopt Ordinance #63, Series of 1987,
on first reading; seconded by Councilman Tuite. Roll call vote;
Councilmembers Tuite, yes; Isaac, yes; Fallin, yes; Gassman, yes;
Mayor Stirling, yes. Motion carried. Assistant City Manager
Mitchell said this should save the city between 550,000 and
580,000 a year.
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City Manager Bob Anderson said there is a need for short term
employee housing. The Aspen Skiing Company proposes to take on
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the Red Roof Inns as a solution to their employee needs as well
as other employees in the community. Anderson told Council the
Skiing Company has suggested a rental rate based on the market
and what the Red Roof can supply. Anderson pointed out there are
no kitchens in the Red Roof. Anderson said Council should
consider how this might effect the long term disposal of the Red
Roof Inns. Anderson said today Council has had two other
proposals come in, although they are not expanded upon. Anderson
said one proposal is f rom Tony Dumas, and the othe r i s f rom a
hotel broker.
Peter Forsch, Aspen Skiing Company, said he would not like to put
this decision off, and if Council has an offer they should look
at it. The Skiing Company said their proposal addresses a need
they have and the community has, and it is their intention to
open it to the housing authority on the same terms and conditions
as Skiing Company employees. Councilman Gassman said the Council
is not on agreement on what should be done with the Red Roof but
the Council did agree they wanted to cut out reacting to every
proposal that is presented as well as get the city manager out of
the real estate business. Councilman Gassman said if the Red
Roof is to be sold, it should be done in a professional way.
Councilman Gassman said he feels the only proposal the Council
has is the one from the Skiing Company.
Councilwoman Fallin said she wants to see the Red Roof sold but
is not willing to accept the proposal that Council received
tonight. Councilwoman Fallin agreed the Red Roof should be sold
in a business-like way. Councilwoman Fallin said she cannot bear
to see the Red Roof sit empty this winter with people desperate
for housing. Councilwoman Fallin said if the Skiing Company is
only going to use the Red Roof through April, Council has time to
make their negotiations.
Mayor Stirling asked if the Skiing Company would take respon-
sibility for the utilities and pass them on to the tenants.
Forsch said their intention is to figure out what they need to
pay the city, what it will cost to manage the building and rent
the rooms. Councilwoman Fallin said she is concerned about what
the tenants will do for food. Forsch said that has been a
concern of his. The units have a counter, sink and refrigerator.
Forsch said he dismissed the option of trying to open up the
restaurant kitchen. Forsch said he would be willing to put small
microwaves in the units to allow food preparation. Forsch said
he will not allow hot plates. Anderson said he feels this is a
good solution and minimizes hazards.
Anderson said there is a catch that staff needs to address.
Anderson told Council if the city leases this out, by the terms
of the agreement with Red Roofs, the city is 1 fable for the
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$100,000 owed to them f or furniture and fixtures. Anderson said
staff has not reviewed this agreement. Councilman Tuite said if
the Skiing Company is willing to pay their share of the
utilities, he can go along with the concept. Forsch said he
feels there is definitely a community benefit in this concept.
Forsch said if the city had a willing buyer tomorrow, the closing
would probably take through the winter.
Forsch said if the Skiing Company has extra rooms available, they
would like the housing authority determine the criteria to fill
the additional rooms. Councilman Tuite said he would like this
open to the community at large. Forsch told Council he does not
know what the needs of the Skiing Company are as he has not
discussed this with the employees. Forsch guessed they would
need half the rooms, and will guarantee half the rents. Forsch
said he originally proposed $225, but after talking to staff and
adding utilities, the rooms will be $250 before costs. Council-
man Tuite said he would rather charge the Skiing Company $225 and
charge them the increment of utilities. Nancy Snell said any
positive move 1 ike this will help the community. Mayor Stirling
said Council has to determine if this jeopardizes the sale, and
if it does not, this is a firm proposal. Councilman Tuite said
he does not feel this jeopardizes the sale. Councilman Isaac
asked about damages. Forsch said if a room gets torn up, the
Skiing Company will be responsible for it.
Mayor Stirling moved to direct the city manager to work out a n
agreement with the Aspen Skiing Company on the general basis
presented, lowering the rate to $225, and passing the utilities
on, taking into consideration the $100,000 obligation on furni-
ture and fixtures; seconded by Councilman Gassman.
Mayor Stirling said if this does trigger the 5100,000, then he is
not in favor of the proposal. City Attorney Taddune said he will
have to review the note. Mayor Stirling pointed out this was not
triggered when the city leased it to the M,A.A, Councilman Tuite
said he would like to see any revenues be dedicated to be spent
on the Red Roof, rather than the general f und, Forsch said the
5225 will be per room. Forsch said the Skiing Company will have
to add the cost of management, utilities and cleaning per room.
Anderson pointed out the Skiing Company is only going to occupy
the bedroom space. The bulk of the money the city agreed with
Red Roof is tied up in the restaurant, kitchen and conference
areas.
Tony Dumas said the utilities for this building are not less than
512,000 a month. Dumas said he has researched these costs
thoroughly. Dumas said Council's mandate is to sell this
building. Dumas reminded Council at the last meeting he asked if
there was an objection to a six month lease, and they said no.
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Dumas said his proposal is to lease the Red Roof f or 4 months, to
take occupation in one week, and to pay $2,000,000 for the
building. Dumas said the purchaser has demonstrated his ability
to put the money up and has experience in hotel ownership.
Dumas said the offer is to lease the building for the winter, to
research the roof and hot water problem, pay rent of $10,000 per
month. Dumas said the electric company wants a deposit of 57500.
Anderson said this proposal does not include any money down. It
does not give any money toward the fact that 52 , 000 , 000 is forth
coming. Anderson said this proposal is a 510,000 a month lease
with a free option to buy. Anderson said he would not support
this proposal. Anderson said a lease for $10,000 with the lessee
paying all the utilities is more lucrative than the Skiing
Company's lease. The Skiing Company's lease of 5225 per room
plus incremental utility costs is assuming the city will cover
the base utility costs for the building as the city paid last
winter. Anderson noted the base utility costs are high because
there is some maintenance level of utility for the entire
building.
Mayor Stirling moved to suspend the rules and continue until no
later than 9:30 p. m.; seconded by Councilwoman Fallin. All in
favor, motion carried.
Councilwoman Fallin asked if the city did not lease this to
anybody, what does it cost to keep the utilities on. Anderson is
it is thousands of dollars a month to keep a maintenance level.
All in favor, motion carried.
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Mayor Stirling said Elli's project is exempt from GMP. There are
staff memoranda which outline the process and what has happened.
Steve Burstein, planning office told Council the walls were the
issue of the restoration plan and were to be repositioned exactly
as they had been. There were a problem with that and the amended
plan requires the applicant to do some patching to make the walls
fit onto the under structure. This plan was approved by HPC last
week.
Mayor Stirling said there is some general concern by Council that
this was an exemption in terms of overall community benefits and
did not achieve the community goals this kind of designation and
exemptions were intended to f ulfill. Mayor Stirling said there
are some concerns whether Council could work with the applicant
at this late hour to achieve any of these goals. Councilman
Tuite said his concern, and the concern he hears from citizens,
is whether this project is a historic renovation or restoration.
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Councilman Tuite said citizens are viewing this as a complete
rebuild. Councilman Tuite said the process this project has
taken, certain costs have been by-passed, mitigating cost s of
development.
Councilman Isaac said the impacts of the development are the same
as any other commercial development. The city did not get the
historic preservation hoped for. This is not the same building.
The historic benefit the city was hoping for did not happen, yet
the impacts are there. Councilman Isaac said Council is looking
to somehow mitigate these impacts. Mayor Stirling asked how this
is going to be averted in the future. Mayor Stirling said the
community is not willing to have a project like this happen
again. Mayor Stirling said there are no contributions to any of
the employees generated by the project. The building has tripled
from its original size.
Alan Richman, planning director, told Council in 1981 when staff
did a comprehensive re-write of the growth management plan and
quota system, there was a series of recommendations about the
exemption provisions. One of these exemptions was the historic
preservation exemption that did not require any review other than
HPC. At that time, the city was trying to expedite things and to
cut out some of the steps of the process. Richman told Council a
few years ago, staff brought a review procedure as part of the
historic preservation plan element. Richman said at that time,
staff did not have a lot of specific problems to point to.
Richman said once a building is designated, if it receives HPC
approval, it is a matter of right to obtain a building permit,
and it is not a decision made by Council. Richman told Council
that the Sardy house and Jerome both were conditional use s in
their zone district and required P & Z review. The expansion of
the Sardy house and Jerome was an expansion by right.
Mayor Stirling said in those two cases, employee housing was
provided. Richman said there was additional PUD review in the
case of the Jerome. There was a lot more give and take because
the applicant was requesting things that were not of right.
Richman told Council there is a way to deal with this problem,
like looking at the magnitude of an expansion. Richman said he
feels there still ought to be some expansions simply subject to
HPC review, but there gets to be a point at which the impact on
the community is substantial.
Councilman Isaac asked if there were other fees, other than the
employee housing, that this project was exempted from. Richman
said park dedication fees only apply to residential projects.
Richman told Council the city water system and the consolidated
sanitation district would exact costs of improvements regardless
of whether a project was a GMP application or not. Councilman
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Isaac asked if this building was given any allowances for height
or bulk. Richman said this building stayed below the height of
the view plane.
Councilwoman Fallin said she is angry about this project and that
the past Councils have allowed such a huge loophole. Council-
woman Fallin said this is a moral issue with the employee
housing. Councilman Gassman said one thing that bothers him is
the inequity. This building is exempt from the requirements that
are very expensive and cost everyone else who builds a building a
lot of time and money. There is the idea that historic preserva-
tion is important enough that if the city gets something preser-
ved it is worth being unfair and giving applicants a tremendous
advantage. Councilman Gassman said in this case he does not see
what the community is getting for the city's part of the bargain.
Councilman Gassman suggested that the building will not have any
impact on employees or employee generated until it is occupied.
HPC has decided it is all right to finish construction. Council-
man Gassman said he does not know of anything that says the
building has to be occupied. Councilman Gassman said he feels
strongly that the city's part of the bargain was that the
community would get something from this, 1 ike a preserved
building. Councilman Gassman said maybe the community doesn't
have to suffer the impacts from the project until a deal is
worked that is a little fairer for the public.
Councilman Gassman moved to ask that the city staff negotiate
with the developer for some kind of contribution to mitigate
against effects in exchange for a certificate of occupancy;
seconded by Councilwoman Fallin.
City Attorney Taddune said Council ought to think about the
potential liability for withdrawing a property right from a
developer when city ordinances have provided that the developer
is entitled to an approval. Taddune said Council has to make a
determination first there was some irregularity in the process
before they decide to take away what should presumptively be a
property right of the applicant. Councilman Isaac said the basis
is that the city thought they were going to get a restored,
historic building and what they got is a new building with a
couple of historic boards.
Taddune pointed out the difficulty is that Council delegated to
another board the responsibility to make a determination, and
Council does not agree at this point. The HPC heard the
evidence, they decided all the facts, and they exercised discre-
tion and made a determination. Taddune said unless there has
been some irregularity in the process or there was a misrepresen-
tation, something that the applicant should be held accountable
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for, the city should be very cautious in taking away something
that theoretically is granted under the city's ordinances.
Mayor Stirling said what Taddune suggested is what the Council
requested of the developer of the west North street building to
do, which was to come in and put the onus of the responsibility
on the applicant to determine that they had not been in violation
of some code. Mayor Stirling said Council might consider that
tack in this instance. Mayor Stirling suggested Council put the
burden on the applicant to produce evidence at the next meeting
and have a presentation made by the applicant. Richman asked if
Council would want staff to consider whether rescinding the
historic landmark designation is within that feeling of some
irregularities. Richman pointed out the historic landmark
designation is providing for this opportunity of expansion.
Mayor Stirling said this building received historic landmark
designation in February 1987 at the request of the current
owners, and the issue is does the city still have a historic
landmark. By virtue of the building being a landmark, the
applicants received the exemption.
City Manager Bob Anderson said there is a slim possibility for
someone to ask the developer if they are willing to voluntarily
produce all or part of the contribution that would typically be
exacted by right under other processes. Charles Cunniffee, HPC
member said he has been doing a lot of research into historic
designation and restoration. Cunniffee t of d Council that
facadism is still considered a historically designatable way to
treat a building. Cunniffee said if the image of the building
can be saved, cities do this and allow developers to maintain
some credit, an encouragement to go to a length they would not
ordinarily go. Councilman Isaac said Council ought to have the
city attorney prepare a summary of what Council's legal remedies
are and bring that back to Council on December 14th.
Councilmembers Fall in, Tuite, and Gassman in favor ; Councilman
Isaac and Mayor Stirling opposed. Motion carried.
Phil Holstein, applicant, told Council when they purchased this
property, they initially came to the city and asked specifically
how they should proceed with development. Holstein said the
applicants were perfectly willing to go through GMP. Holstein
said they were willing to take down Elli's and build a new
building. Holstein said they were encouraged to keep Elli's
because a lot of people in the community have an emotional
attachment to that building. Holstein told Council the way this
project has been done, has cost more money than they saved by not
paying for some employee housing. Holstein said they built a
building which is well below the FAR; a larger building on the
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corner would have been much more valuable. Holstein told Council
the applicants have followed the approval process to a letter.
Holstein said the Elli's building was rotten to the core; it was
built on rubble and it was ready to fall down. Holstein told
Council it was extraordinary that they were able to save what
they did. The walls were rickety, and all the members were half
burnt through. Holstein told Council the Elli's corner is going
to look 1 ike E11 i' s corner has always looked; the essential
architectural features of the building are in tact. Holstein
said the thought that Council would hold the applicants hostage
because they complied with an ordinance which specifically
exempted them from GMP is mind boggling. Holstein said this
building is going to look very nice, like an old historic
building with a new building wrapped around it. Holstein said
the applicants did not do anything underhanded. Their plans were
available for every one to see; they went to HPC meetings for
months. Holstein said the applicants have followed the
ordinances to the letter, and an investigation by the city
attorney• is not going to find any wrong doing on their part.
Mayor Stirling said Council has directed the city manager to work
with the developers and get back to Council at the December 14th
meeting.
Councilwoman Fallin moved to
renewal for Little Nell's and
December 14th for an informal
Isaac. All in f avor, with the
Motion carried.
take of f the consent agenda the
have them come before Council
hearing; seconded by Councilman
exception of Councilman Tuite.
Councilman Gassman moved to approve the consent agenda; seconded
by Councilman Isaac. The consent agenda is Minutes - October 26,
1987; Liquor License Renewals - Guido's; Hibachi; Szechuan
Gardens; Pour la France; Eagle's Club; Steak Pit; Hotel Jerome;
Little Annie's Aspen Mountain Spirits; Mother Lodge; Resolution
#29, 1987 - Extension of Towing Contract. All in favor, motion
carried.
Councilwoman Fallin moved to adjourn at 9:40 p.m.; seconded by
Councilman Isaac. All in favor, motion carried.
Kathryn Koch, City Clerk
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