HomeMy WebLinkAboutminutes.council.19880111Regular Meetinq Aspen City Council Januarv 11, 1988,
PROCLAMATION - Martin Luther King, Jr. 1
PROCLAMATION - Masami Shigeta 1
ORDINANCE #65, SERIES OF 1987 - Non-conformities 4
ORDINANCE #66, SERIES OF 1987 - Lease/Purchase Agreement 8
ORDINANCE #67, SERIES OF 1987 - Modification of Lease
Agreement with Roaring Fork Land & Cattle Company . 9
HPC SCORE APPEAL - Amato 9
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PM10 STANDARDS
E I S ENTRANCE TO TOWN 14
ARA REQUEST TO USE CITY PROPERTY - Wine Classic 17
SUBARU ASPEN WINTERNATIONAL PERMITS 17
SALE OF ICE RINK 20
REQUEST FOR FUNDS - GRIP 22
RFTA 1988 BUDGET RECONSIDERATION 23
RESOLUTION #1, SERIES OF 1988 - Calling Special Election 25
INTERIM OFFICE SPACE SOLUTION 25
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Mayor Stirling called the meeting to order at 5:00 p.m. with
Councilmembers Isaac, Gassman, Fallin and Tuite present.
PROCLAMATION - Martin Luther Kings Jr.
Mayor Stirling read a proclamation honoring Martin Luther King
and proclaiming January 18th Martin Lut not ben closed Janua~y
Stirling said the city hall offices will
18th.
PROCLAMATION - Masami Shigeta
Mayor Stirling read a proclamation honoring Masami Shigeta and
the work he has done promoting tourism between Aspen and Japan
and appointing him Aspen's official ambassador by Council and the
ARA to coordinate tourism and resort development.
CITIZEN COMMENTS
1. Jean Walla addressed Council about the proposed move of the
child care center at the Community Center to the basement of that
building. Councilwoman Fallin said that is the county's decision
to make. Councilman Isaac said Council could make a recommenda-
tion to the Commissioners about this. Ms. Walla said the
basement is an inappropriate space for children to spend the
maximum part of their days. The present location upstairs is
homey, the basement is away from the playground, with no kitchen
and washing machine. Ms. Walla pointed out the county would have
to pay for two renovations if this move were to be done. Ms.
Walla said there are 21 steps to carry the children to safety in
case of a fire. City Manager Bob Anderson said the item on the
agenda, Interim Office Space Solutions, is a request for funds to
have an architect look at the Community Center to see if renova-
tion is feasible.
2. Len Olender, chairman of the Aspen Sister Cities Committee,
noted that Aspen does not have an official flag. Olend er
requested Council consider adoption of an official flag. Olender
said the ARA has proposed to put together a competition for flag
proposals. Mayor Stirling said this is a good idea that is long
overdue. Mayor Stirling requested this proposal be on the
January 25th agenda and to have staff work with Olender on this.
Olender told Council the first annual sister cities meeting will.
be held in Aspen February 6 through 13th. There will be repre-
sentatives from Aspen's 3 sister cities and from Japan.
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COUNCILMEMBER COMMENTS
1. Mayor Stirling asked about the trolley car in ~ ree maderta
City Manager Bob Anderson said a f hem we re overt' lgood . Most of
the CCLC, who did not think any o
the proposals were in the nature of selling hot dogs. Assistant
City Manager Mitchell told Council the CCLC is rCeommThelM.AtAe
M.A.A. make a proposal to use it as a ticket offs
does not have a location and are requesting totchellh said pt his
between the Wheeler and the Mother Lodge. Mi
will be on Council's next agenda.
2. Mayor Stirling said he would like to reconsider funding of
the architect to work on the Aspen Mountain Lodge project. Mayor
Stirling said the architect will be selected by the city and will
be controlled by the city.
Mayor Stirling moved to reconsider this action and to add it to
the agenda as VII (p); seconded by Councilman Isaac. All in
favor, motion carried.
3. Mayor Stirling announced that the Colorado Association of
Ski Towns is sponsoring the 8th legislative tour in Aspen. The
ski towns will be presenting and discussing key issues facing
small ski resorts in Colorado with state legislators. Mayor
Stirling said a schedule will be circulated to Council. There
will be a reception Friday January 22 at 5:30 p.m. at the
wheeler. There will be presentations Saturday from 7:15 a.m. to
10 a.m. There will be a dinner at the Crystal Palace sponsored
by three local banks and the Aspen Club. Mayor Stirling said
there are not quite enough funds to cover Saturday evening.
Mayor Stirling asked Council to consider funding up to $500 for
this event.
Mayor Stirling moved to add to the agenda as item VII (q) a
request for $500 from contingency funds; seconded by Councilwoman
Fallin. All in favor, motion carried.
4. Mayor Stirling said it is not clear in Bob Anderson's
miscellaneous comments if in the reorganization of the leisure
services department that Bill Efting keeps his recreation
portfolio. Anderson said he does.
5. Mayor Stirling brought up the tech fields and training for
the police department. Mayor Stirling asked if this should not
be part of normal duty to train other officers. City Manager Bob
Anderson said it is part of the regular duties of sergeant and
above. Anderson told Council tech fields was in essence a bonus
system that has been discontinued. Anderson told Council staff
has done research and it is reasonable to pay someone for taking
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on the responsibility of training someone over a long term.
Mayor Stirling asked if this would be setting a precedent for
other departments. Anderson said the precedent was set earlier
when the city did the tech fields. This program is reducing the
bonus from year round. Anderson pointed out there is no other
department where training goes on for a long period of time.
Anderson said the special circumstances of training a police
officer warrants this.
6. Mayor Stirling said the Friendship races will be here during
Winternational. There will be some costs associated with this
and he would like the Council to consider contributing $1,000.
Mayor Stirling said this is a race inviting two children racers
from all over the world and will be in conjunction with the Aspen
Ski Club. Mayor Stirling said there will be a small scale ice
sculpture, which the city is contributing in-kind contributions.
Mayor Stirling moved to add this to the agenda as item VII (r);
seconded by Councilman Tuite. All in favor, motion carried.
7. Councilman Tuite said he would like City Manager Bob
Anderson to meet with the police and sheriffs department to see
if there is anything that can be done to alleviate the traffic on
the highway. Anderson told Council he has looked into this, and
the state has taken off the controls on the stop lights and they
cannot now be operated manually. Anderson said staff does not
feel it would work to have a, traffic control person directing
traffic at these intersections at night. Councilman Tuite asked
Anderson to talk to the highway department to see if it worth-
while to have the lights operated manually during heavy traffic
hours.
8. Councilman Isaac said at the last regular meeting during a
liquor license transfer discussion, he brought up the uses on the
second floor of the Aspen Grove building. Councilman Isaac said
his recollection was that the second floor was going to be
offices and service as opposed to retail stores. Councilman
Isaac pointed out through research of P & Z minutes, there was
some discussion about that but it was never decided and the
elevator was never agreed to. Councilman Isaac said the building
department approved a restaurant use on the second floor although
it does not meet the code now in existence.
9. Councilman Isaac requested at the next regular meeting a
report on how things are going with the Red Roof Inn.
10. Councilman Isaac asked why Masami Shigeta was appointed as
ambassador of Aspen and asked if Council shouldn't have been
included in that decision. Mayor Stirling said Shigeta was
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appointed out an ambassador about 9 months ago to coordinate
visits to Aspen from Japan.
11. City Manager Bob Anderson said the Interim Office Space
decision is whether the Council wants to spend some money in
conjunction with the county in looking at the alternative of
making fire safe the second and third floors of city hall and
using some other facility. This decision is only whether to
spend the money to look at it.
12. Councilwoman Fallin said at the special meeting January 6,
1988, she requested GRIP funding be added to this agenda.
Councilwoman Fallin moved to put GRIP consideration of additional
funding, phase II as item VII (g); seconded by Councilman Tuite.
All in favor, motion carried.
13. Councilman Gassman said at the September 28th Council
meeting, he brought up the lack of sidewalk on North Mill, north
of Clark's market. Councilman Gassman asked the status of this
project. Councilman Gassman said the consensus of Council was
that a sidewalk was needed in this area. Jay Hammond, engineer-
ing department, reminded Council he reported back this would cost
between $12,000 and $15,000. Hammond said the city would have to
pay for this because there is no way to force the property owners
to pay for it. City Manager Bob Anderson said this would have to
be added to the capital improvement program or the 1989 budget.
14. City Manager Bob Anderson said the chief of police is
leaving the city employ, which creates an opportunity for
discussion whether it is preferable to join with the county in
terms of police command personnel. Anderson said his general
position is that when anybody leaves, he should look to see what
the opportunities are. Mayor Stirling said the, city is meeting
with Rich Rianoshek January 18th and this could be a good time to
discuss law enforcement consolidation. Anderson said this issue
will have to be discussed at some length. Anderson told Council
John Goodwin will be acting chief of police.
ORDINANCE #65, SERIES OF 1987 - Non-conformities
Alan Richman, planning director, reminded Council this ordinance
was originally part of the R-6 ordinance and was separated so
that there would be a chance to have a public hearing on this
issue alone. Richman pointed out this ordinance effects all
development in the city. Richman told Council staff reorganized
the non-conforming section of the code and tried to eliminate the
inconsistencies. Richman said the policy changes have been
outlined in the memorandum. Richman said one policy that
continues is that non-conforming uses continue to be dealt with
more strictly than non-conforming structures. A major issue that
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has been raised is whether a non-conforming is rthatu if a none
restored by right. The stasfmoreothan 50 opercent of the fair
conforming structure receive
market value of the structure, it has to be brought into confor-
mity with the underlying requirements. There are exceptions to
that; one, a historic landmark can be restored as of right, and
two, buildings damaged by an act of God.
Richman said this ordinance tries to limit the effects of
requirements to non-conforming structures by el if i10 t ercente
annual maintenance and repairs value limitation o p
Richman pointed out the lodge preservation crlan searidass b ght
retained. Richman said there are some numbe g
language errors. The city attorney's office has added a new
section 4 and 5 to include the severability laeguaThese can
Dunaway has pointed out an unclarity in the languag
be addressed at this hearing or brought back to Council at their
next meeting.
Mayor Stirling opened the public hearing.
Welton Anderson, P & Z chairman, told Council they worked very
hard on this section. Anderson said he is glad C els the ecurrent
it from the R-6 revisions. Anderson said he fe
non-conforming sections of the code work well with flexibility
and with decreasing non-conformities. Anderson said he has
problems with the 50 percent valuation bringing some oftthe
structure into conformity. Anderson pointed out
town's houses would not have been rebuilt under this type of
restriction. Anderson said putting limitations on reconstruction
of existing structures and forcing them into conformity may end
up with the same type of problem the town had with lodges 10
years ago.
John Werning urged Council not to adopt an ordinance that limits
the flexibility of property owners to improve their property.
Werning said the thought of having to bring everything into to
conformity seems too extreme. It will take away some uniqueness
in the town. Gideon Kaufman said the non-conforming section did
need work; however, the change in policy is a big mistake.
Kaufman pointed out in many communities, residential structures
are not considered non-conforming. Kaufman said the town has
created a lot of non-conformities in recent years. The codes
have been kind to non-conformities, and Kaufman urged the city to
be kind rather than punitive to non-conformities. Kaufman
pointed out when the more stringent FAR was adopted, Section
24.13.5(c) was adopted, which said those houses that were made
non-conforming by the new FARs would not be penalized. Kaufman
said this is the policy that Council should be adopting with the
new FARs.
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Kaufman said the ordinance states when a person does a 50 percent
reconstruction, that is 50 percent of the value of the structure,
not the land, and triggers the tearing deir housesntof dooan
conformity of making people cut down th
interior renovation. Kaufman said this seems to be counter-
productive in preserving the west end. Kaufman said people will
be better off tearing down their house and rebuilding something
bigger and more valuable. This section will make it uneconomical
to renovate houses.
Kaufman said there have been mistakes made in surveying the west
end. There are a lot of houses that are non-conforming by virtue
of setbacks because of survey errors. Kaufman reiterated the
adoption of this ordinance encourages the elimination of smaller
and older houses with values of the structure of $50,000.
Kaufman said with this ordinance, if a person were to do a
renovation of 525,000 they would have to tear down the whole part
of the house that is non-conforming. That would cost more than
the contemplated renovation. Kaufman presented an example of
this. Kaufman recommended Council retain the old phithem pto do
non-conforming structures; if they want to improve
them in a conforming way.
Norm Batchelor said when dealing with the 50 percent remodelling,
it can be interpreted that a building is non-conforming if there
is no landing on the stairway. Batchelor said the previous
interpretation used by the building department is that if a
person were improving and decreasing the non-conformities, that
is a step in the right direction. Batchelor said it is economi-
cally not feasible to tear down a building in its entirety to
accomplish the conformity. This is causing owners not to remove
and improve the safety and conformity because of the 50 percent.
Don Fleisher said to institute new zoning that would prevent
people from enlarging their homes is unfair. Fleisher said to
cut back an encroachment for a full length of a house is not
affordable. Fleisher said alternatives to enlarging or remodell-
ing homes is to develop it to the big modern new home and sell
for maximum amount. Fleisher urged Council to reconsider
adopting this proposed change as pertains to single family
houses.
Sally Roach said she has a problem that use of a structure and
the structure itself are lumped together in the ordinance, and
this may require further clarification. Ms. Roach brought up 12
months of discontinued use of a structure, rather than disco n-
tinued use of a non-conforming use. Richman said this section
only applies to non-conforming uses, not structures. Council
requested this section be clarified. Ms. Roach asked for an
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explanation of the 10 percent maximum on repair and maintenance.
Richman said this is a statement if there is O What oito an gcone
in the neighborhood, it should be limited t
tinually upgrade in an attempt to try and have th non econf o ming
area. Richman said there are only a handful of
uses; non-conforming structures are prevalent in the neigh-
borhood and this section does not apply to non-conforming
structures.
Bil Dunaway questioned the language in the paragraph o t in eone
percent damage and destruction. Dunaway pointe
paragraph is states it is a right to construct ups sho d mee8t
percent. Dunaway said willfully destroyed structure
the code whether it is above or below 50 percent. Richman said
willfully destroyed only has to meet the code eadv more clearly.
Richman agreed this should could be made to r
Ms. Roach pointed out on page 4 the abandonment of a nonconform-
ing structure is being dealt with, which is a vialafOOnthe
property rights. Ms. Roach questioned who would p y
removal of an abandoned structure.
Councilwoman Fallin asked why the thought is that the original
code is so confusing. Richman said the ordinance will be better
whether the policy change is made or not. Councilwoman Fallin
asked why the policy change is being made. Richman said it is
the consultant's recommendation, which Richman felt was reason-
able and brought to P & Z. Richman said the feeling is that when
a structure comes to the end of its useful life, the neighborhood
has a right to expect that it will be made conforming. Richman
said one thing that can be taken into consideration is the
investment of 50 percent of the structure does not necessarily
equate to when a structure has come to the end of its useful
life. Richman said he will look at the 50 percent number.
Richman said the policy is a good one; however, there are some
strong arguments from the public why it is the wrong policy.
Richman said non-conforming uses are not an issue; the Council is
dealing with non-conforming structures. Richman pointed out the
R-6 revisions created a lot of non-conformities. Richman asked
if it is the city's policy that at some point all structures will
conform to the regulations that Council has enacted or is it the
city's policy that these structures were built in good faith, and
people have the right to continue that structure.
Councilwoman Fallin said she does not want to push people into a
corner where their only option is to sell the house and the
neighborhood gets new, large modern buildings. Richman agreed it
was not the intent when simple renovation occurs to the house to
bring the house into conformance. Richman said he did not think
the 50 percent limitation did that, but there has been good
evidence given that it may do that. Richman said what he
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intended was when someone is making a substantial addition to the
house and there will be a larger structure, that that larger
structure be in conformance. Richman said he will be happy to
reconsider the 50 percent provision. Richman said if Council
feels the policy is wrong, they can go back to the original
policy.
Councilman Isaac suggested looking at 50 percent of the square
footage. Dunaway said without some limit, people can create
building monsters with the same non-conformities. Kaufman said
there is a problem with the square footage idea if the structure
is only 800 square feet to begin with. Mayor Stirling said it is
not Council's intention to eliminate small houses, which are part
of the character of a residential neighborhood. Mayor Stirling
said the ordinance tends to be too punitive and the 50 percent
limitation needs to be re-evaluated. Mayor Stirling said it is
not the intent to eliminate small houses. Mayor Stirling
suggested tabling this ..__~~y ~alludry 25th for staff to reanalyze
some of the points brought up at this meeting.
Richman agreed the point on abandonment of a non-conforming
structure is a good one. Councilman Gassman asked if the present
code is working. City Attorney Taddune said it is a problem in
application, in determining whether remodels are is an expansion
or not. Taddune said Council has to decide whether they want to
change the non-abatement present philosophy, allowing no n-
conf orming structures to continue but not to expand. Taddune
said the alternative is to create pressures on non-conforming
structures so eventually there will be abatement. Mayor Stirling
said he subscribes to the non-abatement with limited expansion.
Councilman Isaac said he does not want to change the basic
philosophy. Councilwoman Fallin agreed. Mayor Stirling said he
would like to see the 50 percent sections deleted, bring the
ordinance back to the present philosophy and not put an inor-
dinate pressure to conform or to sell.
Mayor Stirling moved to table Ordinance #65, Series of 1987, to
January 25, 1988, and to direct the planning office to go back to
the philosophy of non-abatement but non-expansion; seconded by
Councilwoman Fallin. All in favor, motion carried.
ORDINANCE #66, SERIES OF 19.87 - Lease/Purchase Agreement
City Attorney Taddune told Council this ordinance utilizes the
lease/purchase concept the city has used in the past. There is a
tax exempt feature which makes it attractive to investors. There
is a new section in the ordinance which is required by the
investors. This section represents that not more than
$10,000,000 in qualified tax exempt obligations are expected to
be issued by the city.
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Mayor Stirling opened the public hearing. There were no com-
ments. Mayor Stirling closed the public hearing.
Councilwoman Fallin moved to adopt Ordinance #66, Series of 1987,
on second reading; seconded by Councilman Isaac. Roll call vote;
Councilmembers Fallin, yes; Isaac, yes; Tuite, yes; Gassman, yes;
Mayor Stirling, yes. Motion carried.
ORDINANCE #67, SERIES OF 1987 - Modification of Lease Agreement
with Roaring Fork Land & Cattle Company
Assistant City Manager Mitchell said this modification addresses
the issue of repairs on the pipelines. Mitchell told Council
after the contract with the Deanes was negotiated, it was
determined some repair would be necessary to the pipeline in
order to operate the hydro facility. It is agreed that the
Maroon hydro facility will pay 85 percent of that. It is also
agreed that any future repairs to the Maroon pipeline will be
done on a schedule over 6 years. After that, it will be based on
the actual use of the pipeline. If the water diverted to the
pipeline is 100 percent for hydro facility, the hydro will pick
up 100 percent.
Mayor Stirling opened the public hearing. There were no com-
ments. Mayor Stirling closed the public hearing.
Councilman Isaac said the agreement shows a sliding scale for a
percentage to be borne by the project. Councilman Isaac asked
the philosophy behind that. Mitchell said this is based on the
historic use of the pipeline plus projections of how much will be
used for the hydro. Mitchell said this project is scheduled for
construction this spring or fall.
Councilwoman Fallin moved to adopt Ordinance #67, Series of 1987,
on second reading; seconded by Councilman Tuite. Roll call vote;
Councilmembers Isaac, yes; Tuite, yes; Fallin, yes; Gassman, yes;
Mayor Stirling, yes. Motion carried.
HPC SCORE APPEAL - Amato
(Mayor Stirling withdrew due to conflict of interest) . Steve
Burstein, planning office, reminded Council this was heard at
their December 14th meeting and tabled. The house is located at
222 West Hallam and was rated 4 by the HPC evaluation rating.
The planning office, at that time, recommended Council affirm the
HPC score. After further thought, the planning office i s
recommending this be remanded back to the HPC. Burstein told
Council staff was impressed with the information presented, some
of which was not clear prior to the last Council meeting.
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Burstein told Council this recommendation does not mean staff
feels the score should be lowered but it is reasonable this be
presented to HPC to allow them to rehear this.
Councilwoman Fallin asked if the planning office feels the HPC
did this rating in an arbitrary manner. Burstein told Council
the HPC utilized the information they had available when they did
the evaluation. Burstein said the applicants have assembled a
lot of information about the alterations occurring to the house.
Councilwoman Fallin said if a lot of alterations had not been
made, the house would not be standing. Councilwoman Fallin said
if remodeling is going to be made part of the criteria, there
will not be any structures scored 4 or 5.
Burstein explained the HPC criteria was to determine how much the
alterations changed the historic character of the house and how
it looked from public ways. Burstein said that criteria was
followed consistently and was used to evaluate this structure.
The concern is perhaps the things the HPC thought were original
were not original. Burstein said it is valid for the HPC to
address these things. Kaufman told Council this is the last
structure that can be appealed under the procedure; the rest of
the structures have waived that authority. Council is looking
only at this structure. Kaufman pointed out the discussion is
not whether this structure is historic or not but how it fits in
with the procedures and system set up by the city. Kaufman said
historic designation information is an evolutionary process,
which is why Council incorporated an appeal. Kaufman told
Council it wasn't until the owner got into the house that these
things were discovered. Kaufman said he is asking for the
opportunity this be remanded to the HPC so that they have the
opportunity to reevaluate the score. Kaufman said this informa-
tion goes to the heart of what the score of the structure should
be.
Charles Cunniffee, architect, told Council the original structure
was built in 1887, two logs of which remain in the new founda-
tion. In 1898 a new house was built on the site. Cunniffee made
a presentation of the additions that have been added and when
they were added. Larry Doble, structural engineer, told Council
his company did a study of this project. Doble told Council
evolutions of a structure are difficult to identify through a
cursory investigation. Doble said it is valuable for the HPC and
planning off ice to have this type of information uncovered
through this exhaustive search. Doble told Council these
modifications were not made to maintain structural integrity.
Lisa Purdy, president of a preservation consulting firm in
Denver, told Council she is usually hired to put building on the
National Register. Ms. Purdy told Council she teaches survey
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classes and one level of survey is a "windshield" survey, which
is often done by driving around and looking at properties to make
blanket determination where the properties are. Ms. Purdy said
this type of survey is valid f or general planning purposes only.
Ms. Purdy said in j _._.. ,...~ often buildings on an
individual basis are taken off the register. Ms. Purdy said one
has to avoid being arbitrary when assigning a rating to a
building. That is the reason for criteria. Ms. Purdy said the
HPC has done a good job in setting up criteria for each of the
categories.
Ms. Purdy told Council she was hired to take the criteria of the
HPC and try and rate this structure. Ms. Purdy gave Council a
handout in which she simplified the rankings and put them in list
form to determine how many applied to this particular building.
Ms. Purdy pointed out all 3 ranking criteria in the score 2 apply
to the Amato house. In score #4, only one criteria applies to
the Amato house. Ms. Purdy said the key difference between the
ratings is if the alterations done in a way that maintains the
historic integrity. Ms. Purdy said only about 10 percent of the
original fabric of the Amato house is left. Ms. Purdy read from
a survey done by the state several years ago on this structure,
"The significance of this residential structure is not of those
who owned it or lived in it, nor its architecture, although the
structure is representative of Aspen's mining era. This modest
structure is of historical importance by illustrating the family
home environment and life styles of average citizens in Aspen,
dominated by the silver mining history". The state survey said
the architectural significance has been lost. Ms. Purdy said she
is trying to fit this building into the criteria that has been
set up by the city of Aspen and, it should not be rated a 4 but
should be rated a 2. Ms. Purdy said it makes sense to send this
structure back to the HPC and have them re-examine it.
Councilman Isaac said he feels this structure should remain a 4.
The building has a strong influence on the neighborhood and has
historic character. Councilman Isaac said this applicant has a
right to go before the HPC and present their case. Councilman
Isaac said he would like to see this structure retain its 4
ranking and to be preserved. Councilman Gassman said this is not
an architectural gem and the alterations may be seen as diminish-
ing its essential purity. However, the point of having historic
designations was not to create architectural museums but to
preserve the character of the west end of town. Councilman
Gassman noted a lot of the character comes from houses that have
been added onto. Councilman Gassman said if what the city is
concerned about is buildings that have an effect on how people
feel about the town, a windshield type survey is a more valid
technique than evaluating each addition to a house. Councilman
Gassman said the first community instinct is that this is a house
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people like to look at and that contributes to the community.
Ms. Purdy said the house is aesthetically pleasing; however, she
was looking at the historic value of the house.
Councilwoman Fallin agreed with Councilman Gassman and noted this
particular street is one of the last that has a lot of Victorians
even those that have been restored. Councilwoman Fallin said Ms.
Purdy is giving this house a very scientific ranking rather than
what the community feels and what they want to see preserved
when these guidelines were adopted. Burstein said he had not
understood the alterations 1 through 15 on this building, and
agreed this should be remanded to the HPC. Kaufman pointed out
the reason the appeal process was set up was the understanding
that there may be additional information available and to give
people the opportunity to present this information to the HPC.
Bill Poss, HPC, agreed that the applicant has a right to come
back to the HPC and present their information. That is what the
process is for. Councilman Tuite said the issue here is due
process. The structure was rated a 4; the applicants have
presented a lot of documentation, and Council should let the
structure go back to the HPC for reconsideration.
Councilman Tuite moved to remand the historical evaluation rating
of 222 West Hallam street to HPC for rehearing; seconded by
Councilman Isaac.
Councilwoman Fallin reiterated that 3 Councilmembers have stated
they like the 4 ranking but are willing to let this go to the HPC
for due process.
All in favor, with the exception of Councilman Gassman. Motion
carried.
PM10 STANDARDS
Mayor Stirling said the purpose of this item is to adopt a plan
to submit to the state to view in advance of giving it to the
federal government. Mayor Stirling suggested Council continue
this meeting to discuss this issue in further detail. Mayor
Stirling said if Council adopts a PM10 plan, they will schedule a
public hearing on that plan f or January 25th in order to meet the
February 1st deadline. Council agreed to schedule this for
Tuesday, January 12 at 5 p.m.
Lee Cassin, environmental health department, told Council the
data that got Aspen in the #1 category is 11 years of particulate
monitoring done at a number of different sites. In 7 of those
years, Aspen did not meet the health standards either f or bad
days, the whole year average, or for both. Ms. Cassin noted for
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the 4 years the community met the health standards, 2 of those
years were the snowiest years in a 20 year period. Ms. Cassin
said staff has a lot of well measured, well documented data on
the problems.
Ms. Cassin told Council Aspen is placed in the #1 category by the
EPA due both to the bad days that are very bad in some winters as
well as the average levels that are relatively high. Ms. Cassin
said there are 5 other Colorado towns in the group 1 category and
about 20 towns in the group 2 category. Ms. Cassin said
Telluride, Steamboat Springs and Crested Butte have already
adopted the most stringent of the 10 point plan items that the
Clean Air Board is recommending to Council.
Ms. Cassin presented information from the state. One showed
there were 3 days in January, February, March in which the levels
were well over 260 ug/m3 of total particles in the air. Ms.
Cassin stated this is one of the things that got Aspen into the
category. Ms. Cassin told Council the state looked at this data
for the last 3 years and looked at how many bad days there were
and at the overall average as well. There is a map showing where
the emissions inventory was done, which is a traffic count on
different roads, fireplace and stove counts, service stations and
restaurant counts. Ms. Cassin presented a chart showing the
sources of contribution on bad days in the winter, this chart is
for the worst day in 1986. Ms. Cassin pointed out fireplaces
cause 41 percent of PM10 levels on a bad day in winter; wood
stoves cause 16 percent, restaurant grills 4 percent, actual
vehicle emissions .7 percent and sanding 36 percent. Ms. Cassin
also gave Council projections for 1991 based on a small increase
in traffic and in building.
Ms. Cassin told Council the state health department has looked at
the 4 general strategies Council wants to pursue and tried to
determine what each strategy would do in terms of how much it
would reduce the PM10 levels. Ms. Cassin pointed out everything
in the Clean Air Board's plan assumes that the voluntary program
continues. This will be included specifically in the plan. Ms.
Cassin said according to the state, Aspen has to reduce the
levels of PM10 by 33 percent over what they were in 1986 in order
to comply. The plan adopted by Council has to demonstrate enough
strategy that the state believes it will cause a 33 percent
reduction and the strategies have to maintain that air quality
indefinitely.
Ms. Cassin pointed out the first control strategy, which is to
convert all fireplaces in the grid area to natural gas. If that
happened and no one ever burned a log again, it would reduce the
PM10 standards by 44.5 percent. Ms. Cassin said if only the
Aspen fireplaces are converted to natural gas, there would be a
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34.5 percent reduction. Ms. Cassin said if all fireplaces were
converted to gas, theoretically nothing else would have to be
done. Ms. Cassin said the town can get the 33 percent reduction
from any combination of strategies they want. Ms. Cassin said
converting all wood stoves to a certified cleaning burning stove
throughout the metro area would reduce PM 10 levels by 10
percent, if it was done only in Aspen it would reduce the PM10
levels 6.7 percent.
Ms. Cassin told Council using an improved street sanding program
with harder sand would get a 3.5 percent improvement in PM 10.
This improvement is not available now since the city does not
have a source of harder sand. The last strategy, to improve
street sweeping program to within 24 hours after the road are
dry, would give 17.7 percent; however, it is estimated by the
street department they are already getting the roads cleaned up
within 24 hours after they become dry. Ms. Cassin pointed out
the city is already cleaning up within 24 hours, and there is
uncertainty is getting a 17.7 percent compliance with this
program. City Manager Bob Anderson said if this is a new program
for the city, it could be part of this program.
Ms. Cassin said the question the environmental health department
keeps getting a lot is if there are only a few bad days in the
winter, why not do something to get people to burn less on those
days. Ms. Cassin said there is absolutely no way to know when
those bad days are going to occur. Ms. Cassin told Council
Denver has 2 full-time meteorologists and did not manage to
predict any of Denver's high pollution days. Ms. Cassin told
Council that the EPA will probably not accept "no burn" days.
The difficulty with this type of program is calling the bad
pollution days.
Wainwright Dawson asked if the automobile was no longer a
problem. Mayor Stirling said this problem is particulates in the
air. Ms. Cassin said the vehicle exhaust causes a small per-
centage of the particle pollution. Vehicle exhaust causes a
large part of carbon monoxide but small particles come from wood
burning and road sanding. Suzanne Caskey, Clean Air Board, told
Council they are trying hard to find solutions so that everyone
can win.
EIS ENTRANCE TO TOWN
Jay Hammond, city engineer, suggested staff draft a resolution to
outline alternatives the Council would like to see the department
of highway consider. The purpose of the EIS is to study impacts
based on prudent and feasible alternatives; this is an oppor-
tunity to study alternatives. It is not a requirement that the
city endorse any specific alternative or to limit the discussion.
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The scoping phase is to identify feasible alternates and study
them in term s of social, economic, wildlife, environmental and
other impacts. Hammond told Council the department of highways
has already held 6 meetings in the county and have focused on
down valley segments. There is controversy regarding Snowmass
Canyon areas. Hammond told Council the department of highways
will be holding scoping meetings on the Aspen portion of the
highway late February or early March.
Hammond said the department has identified two major alternatives
for study. These include the direct connection and the existing
alignment. Hammond told Council some of the design proposed by
Alan Blomquist has been forwarded to the department of highways.
Blomquist's design utilizes the existing alignment and combines
the Castle, Maroon Creek and Cemetery Lane intersections into a
single configuration using acceleration lanes, etc. Hammond
presented to Council drawings of the two alternatives, Blom-
quist's proposal and a variation on the theme to combine the
intersections, one using a direct connection; one using a split
alignment. The major configurations are direct connection
alternatives, the existing alignment, and the split alignment.
There could be a direction to the department of highways that
they combine intersections.
Hammond noted some suggestions to forward to the department of
highways are additional consideration of landscaping and the
aesthetics to the entrance. Hammond told Council he has dis-
cussed with the department of highways that if the city were to
donate property through open space for the four-lane, would the
department consider trading higher levels of landscaping and
other improvements. Hammond told Council landscaping is funded
by the state and right-of-way acquisition is funded by the
federal government. Hammond said the city would be giving open
space to the department of highway that the federal government
would normally pay for under the construction of highways in
exchange for work that the state would normally pay for. Hammond
said the city should sell any right-of-way and set that money
aside for landscaping and aesthetic improvements.
Hammond said a toll road as an alternative funding has been
discussed, and the state is not inclined to support toll roads
where alternative routes are not available to travelers. Hammond
said staff is concerned about identifying trail and highway
interfaces to insure trail continuity is not destroyed by the
expanded highway. There has been discussion about high occupancy
vehicle (HOV) or bus lanes. The transit development program
identified an interim HOV. Hammond noted that the concept of a
HOV or bus lane was excluded from RFTA's resolution to the
department of highways. Councilman Tuite told Council Tom Blake
reported to RFTA that a HOV would not be considered. Blake f elt
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it would be not constructive to have RFTA request a HOV. The
RFTA board felt a unanimous resolution was more important that a
request for a HOV. Councilman Tuite told Council the RFTA board
has not dropped the plan of HOV but this was a political move to
get support of all board members. Hammond said there is no harm
in asking the department of highways to look at a HOV.
Mayor Stirling said the city has been copying all correspondence
to the governor. The Governor has indicated he wants to help
small communities throughout the state. Mayor Stirling said a
high occupancy vehicle lane is obtainable much earlier than a
four-lane. Mayor Stirling said four-laning costs $4,000,000 per
mile. Hammond said other items to be included in the resolution
might be construction priority. Hammond told Council the
Commissioners and the RFTA Board have both recommended the Aspen
to Brush Creek road receive priority. Hammond said the resolu-
tion should include that the city wants the department of
highways to look at a flexible design considering reduced speed
limit, reduced rights-of-way, pavement needs and evaluating the
urban section of the highway alternatives east of Castle creek.
Hammond said the department of highways has a tendency to look at
very rigid design standards. Hammond said the challenges of this
valley are significant. The requirement that the department of
highways deal with the safety of the highway puts pressure on
them. The city can request extraordinary measures to get a good
quality product.
Mayor Stirling said speed limit is very critical and the speed of
the road has a lot to do with the configuration. Hammond agreed
that drivers respond to the perception of the roadway, and an
alignment that does not give one the visual perception of looking
down over Mai n street will effect the speeds at which traffic
comes into town. Hammond said staff could bring back a draft
resolution by the next regular Council meeting. Mayor Stirling
said he would like to have a work session on this issue to
discuss HOVs, a preferred alignment, donating the right-of-way
in exchange for landscaping, or seek alternative methods of
funding.
Councilwoman Fallin said over the last 6 years, the city has made
numerous recommendations and the state doesn't like the recommen-
dations and asks for other recommendations. Councilwoman Fallin
asked if it is worth it to make another recommendation. Hammond
said Council does not have to make a recommendation. The
opportunity is to request that the state review alternatives.
Hammond said one of the comments heard during the last discussion
of entrance alternatives was that since the EIS was not underway,
this discussion was premature. Hammond pointed out the EIS is
now underway and there is an opportunity f or feedback from the
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EIS. Mayor Stirling said the Council needs to press someone to
listen.
Councilman Isaac said he would like staff to prepare a resolution
for the next meeting. Councilman Isaac said the points in
Hammond's memorandum need to be addressed by the state. Council-
man Isaac said the state should address all alignments and not
just concentrate on one they choose. Councilman Tuite said the
alternative going right through the Marolt property is not
acceptable to him.
Councilman Isaac moved to direct staff to bring back a resolution
for January 25; seconded by Councilwoman Fallin. All in favor,
with the exception of Councilman Gassman and Mayor Stirling.
Motion carried.
ARA REQUEST TO USE CITY PROPERTY - Wine Classic
Patsy Malone, personnel director, told Council this is a request
from the Resort Association to use Wagner Park including a 16,000
square foot tent for the wine classic. Ms. Malone told Council
staff and the ARA met about the use of the park, and they f eel
the problems have been taken care of. John Walla, restaurant
association, told Council this is a perfect operation, in the
shoulder season, and accomplishes things the town is trying to
create in expanding the economy and interest in Aspen.
Councilman Isaac moved to approve the recommendation that the
16,000 square feet tent by in Wagner park from June 22 to June
26 , 1988 , to host the annual food and wine classic and to
approve a special event permit for this event; seconded by
Councilwoman Fallin. All in favor, motion carried.
SUBARU ASPEN WINTERNATIONAL PERMITS
Patsy Malone, personnel director, reminded Council this was
tabled at their December meeting. Council is being requested to
approve special approvals for Winternational. Two of these
requests are special event permits and permission to use Wagner
park for the Aspen a la carte and Party in the Park.
Councilwoman Fallin said last year the applicants promised to
clean up Wagner park and they did not. Ms. Malone said last year
was the first year this event occurred. Ms. Malone said the
applicants have discussed this with the environmental health
department who is satisfied their concerns will be taken care of.
This year there will be grease receptacles. Peter Forsch, Aspen
Skiing Company, told Council they recognize they did less than a
good job last year. This year they have talked to every depart-
ment to rectify that. Debbie Arnold told Council the Aspen Ski
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Councilwoman Fallin asked if the applicants should be asked to
put up a $500 clean up bond. Bill Efting, Leisure Services
director, told Council on the parks permit they put a guarantee
that any damage found in the spring would be assessed to the
people putting on the event. Councilman Gassman said he does
not like the idea this is limited to Diner's Club restaurants.
This puts the city in the position of enforcing a private
marketing program. Councilman Gassman said this is an improper
use of public property. Councilman Gassman said this should be
open to any restaurant that wants to participate.
Councilman Tuite said it is difficult to get corporate sponsors
without using an advantage. If a corporation is going to put up
money, they have to justify what they are doing to their stock-
holders. Councilman Gassman said a lot of people have spent
years of their lives creating the asset of the town. This
resource is very valuable. Councilman Gassman said Diner's Club
is being allowed to use this resource and they are not allowing
all the restaurants to participate. Mayor Stirling said he does
have problems with the exclusionary aspect of this event, but
until Council discusses use of public property and sets guide-
lines, he is not prepared to turn this down.
All in favor, with the exception of Councilman Gassman. Motion
carried.
Councilman Isaac moved to support the Party in the Park; seconded
by Councilman Tuite.
Mayor Stirling said he is concerned about the sale of acholic
beverage at this event. Debbie Arnold told Council there will be
an age limit on who is allowed in the tent. There will be non-
alcoholic beverages as well as snacks. The restaurant associa-
tion will be handling the food and beverages in the tent. Peter
Forsch said the Party in the Park is an attempt to utilize the
huge tent in the park for a la carte and to invite the public to
a party with a band and get the local people involved in another
celebration of Winternational.
Mayor Stirling said he likes the fact that this is a peoples'
affair. Forsch told Council the cost will be between $3 and $5,
only to recover their costs. Councilwoman Fallin said this event
will be excluding a great number of the community by not letting
people under 21 years of age in. Councilwoman Fallin said she
sees no reason to serve alcoholic beverages if this is a com-
munity party in the park. Dan Arrow registered a complaint about
the tent being up two days in a row. John Walla said it is legal
to have people under 21 at this event, if the applicants could
work out the logistics. Walla said he would be willing to work
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on the logistics. Councilwoman Fallin said an event like this is
perfect for kids. Councilman Tuite agreed, pointing out the
Council often hears there is nothing for kids under 21 to do.
Tim Cottrell suggested having a enclosed area for people to drink
acholic beverages and not have an age limit on entrance to the
tent. Cottrell said the restaurant association would be willing
to take care of this. Councilman Isaac asked about profits from
this event. John Walla said the restaurant association will be
taking the money in and will be dispensing it to Tipsy Taxi.
City Manager Bob Anderson said the city should make sure that
some entity is responsible in terms of the liquor vending and
have this clearly controlled.
Councilman Isaac amended his motion to allow for a special area
to be set aside for liquor vending; seconded by Councilman Tuite.
All in favor, motion carried.
Councilwoman Fallin moved to approve the vending agreement to the
Skiing Company to vend raffle tickets in the mall; seconded by
Councilman Tuite. All in favor, with the exception of Councilman
Gassman. Motion carried.
SALE OF ICE RINK
Bill Efting, Leisure Services director, said Council had a
meeting October 15th at the Ice Garden, looked at the Ice Garden
and talked about it. The recommendation was to schedule another
election on selling the Ice Garden because of the language on the
earlier ballot. Efting said if Council still feels Rio Grande is
the appropriate place for the ice rink, this should be a separate
question on the election ballot. City Attorney Taddune pointed
out under the Charter, recreation is a permitted use for open
space. Taddune said sale or disposition of city-owned property
generally requires a vote. Taddune said if part of the invest-
ment package is to sell the building or the land, it may require
a vote. Taddune said Council may want voter input regardless of
the legal requirements. Mayor Stirling said the city took to the
voters the allocation of land to a performing arts center.
Councilwoman Fallin said if the city rezones this to RMF and sell
the Ice Garden, it would be worth about $800,000. Councilwoman
Fallin asked how much it would cost to construct a new building
on the Rio Grande. Efting said a quality building would cost
51,500,000 to $2,000,000. Efting said at the Rio Grande the
staff would want to put up a building that the community is proud
of. Efting said part of the condition of the sale of the Ice
Garden would be with the condition that funds are raised to build
a new building. Councilwoman Fallin asked if the Ice Garden were
not sold and the Council put 5500,000 into the existing structure
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what would be done for that. George Pucak, ice garden manager,
told Council there would be improvements to the front lobby, the
entrance end of the building and the locker rooms. This would
not effect the basic existing building. Pucak told Council the
dasher boards and refrigeration conversion would cost about
$300,000.
Councilwoman Fallin said Council had discussed the possibility of
vacating the alley to the south of the building, and moving the
building back. Mayor Stirling said if the city sells the Ice
Garden it will be pouring 20,000 square feet into the competitive
market. Mayor Stirling said if Council rezones this property to
RMF and then sells it, they are supporting the proliferation of
additional development in town. Mayor Stirling said the Rio
Grande is designed for recreation, transportation and open space,
and it should be left open. Mayor Stirling said he is not in
favor of selling the Ice Garden. Mayor Stirling said he would
rather do major reconstruction on site of the Ice Garden. Mayor
Stirling said the city should build an outdoor rink in town, like
Paepcke park, which would be a tourist amenity and for spec-
tators. Mayor Stirling said this will cost about 51,750,000, and
the city should bond for this.
Councilman Isaac said renovating the Ice Garden does not deal
with a lot of problems at the present rink, like parking and
location far away from the tourist areas and transportation.
Councilman Isaac said the Rio Grande would be a perfect location
for an ice rink. Councilman Isaac said this is an opportunity to
build something the community can be proud of and to enhance the
ice skating experience in the community.
Councilman Isaac moved that Council pursue a ballot issue to sell
the Aspen Ice Garden and to start proceeding to locate a new
facility at the Rio Grande; seconded by Councilwoman Fallin.
Councilwoman Fallin asked what would happen in the interim
between sale of the Ice Garden and construction of a new ice
rink. Efting said it could be put in the contract that a
purchaser could not take over the property until a new ice rink
is built. Efting said he is going ask for permission to form a
fund raising committee on how to approach raising the rest of the
money for a new ice rink. Wainwright Dawson said there is a
major financing group in town looking to fund a project for the
city. Dawson suggested putting employee housing where the old
ice garden is by this financing group -and have them help f and
the new ice rink. Dwight Shellman discouraged the proliferation
of any uses on the Rio Grande property that are not transporta-
tion related. Shellman pointed out this is the city's only
source of space for a parking structure.
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Councilman Gassman said he would be opposed to rezoning the land
where the current Ice Garden is. Councilman Gassman said it
would be hypocritical to try and limit development while rezoning
land for sale. Councilman Gassman said there would be a great
deal of opposition to this rezoning. Councilman Gassman said he
would support selling this only if it remains zoned R-15.
All in favor, with the exception of Mayor Stirling. Motion
carried.
REQUEST FOR FUNDS - GRIP
Tom Oliver told Council they are requesting funding f or phase II
of the research project the University of Colorado/Denver is
involved with. Oliver reminded Council in early December, GRIP
reviewed the initial phase of the project, which was budgeted for
$9,000 and cost $7,000. The city was committed to this up to
$3,000. Oliver told Council phase II of the project is building
a computer model and have the Council, BOCC and GRIP's input on
what can be done on consolidation. Oliver said with 30 different
elected taxing bodies in the county and 170 representatives,
there is a lot of fruitful work than can be done on consolida-
tion.
Councilman Gassman said he can see this going on forever with a
lot of interim studies and is opposed to the city spending any
more money. Councilman Gassman said if private people want to
fund this, they can go ahead and do that. Coun cilma n Gassman
said the taxpayers are funding Bob Anderson's salary, which is a
real consolidation study. Mayor Stirling said he is also opposed
to this funding. Mayor Stirling pointed out the first phase of
the study indicates the governments have pushed informal con-
solidation to the limits and have already made some savings, and
created some efficiencies. Mayor Stirling said there are 6
departments consolidated, the manager is a joint manager, the law
enforcement agencies are sharing offices, there are planned
shared offices for the city and county, as well as RFTA, Ruedi
hydropower project and a joint housing authority. Mayor Stirling
said the first phase shows how far the consolidation effort has
gone as well as the severe efforts of government becoming too
large.
Councilman Gassman moved not to commit any further funding to
GRIP; seconded by Mayor Stirling.
Councilwoman Fallin said she is having trouble seeing what the
city will get from the second phase. Councilwoman Fallin said at
the last meeting with GRIP, they did not seem to feel they had
any more to tell Council. Councilwoman Fallin said if GRIP can
come back with a good reason why this should be funded, she would
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be willing to reconsider. City Manager Bob Anderson said he
understood the next phase was to outline specifically what
alternatives to take for a more full scale consolidation.
Councilwoman Fallin said she would like to see other parties,
like the Town of Snowmass Village and the special districts, fund
this study. Anderson said the county has decided to fund their
share of this study.
All in favor, motion carried.
RFTA 1988 BUDGET RECONSIDERATION
Councilman Gassman said that the budget is the only account-
ability that RFTA has. RFTA is an independent agency which is
accountable to no one. Councilman Gassman said the transit
system started off with enthusiasm and creativity; however, it
seems now its primary interest is its own perpetuation and
comfort. Councilman Gassman said the community is being poorly
served. Councilman Gassman said the changes since RFTA has been
in existence are minimum. Councilman Gassman said he would like
to see RFTA get more accountable. Councilman Gassman said the
reason the governments got into the bus business is that the
valley was choking in cars and they wanted to move people around
in different ways. Councilman Gassman said the system ha s not
gone beyond the level of driving around in some buses. Highway
82 is not getting any better.
Councilman Gassman said the RFTA Board voted unanimously not to
lobby for high occupancy vehicle lanes because they felt
unanimity and political expediency was more important than
making a point to the highway department. Councilman Gassman
said if the transit agency is not going to push to transit
improvements to the department of highways, who is.
Councilman Tuite said RFTA has spent the extra time trying to
come up with alternatives and creative solutions. Councilman
Tuite said RFTA is going to have half hour headways for the down
valley system to make it more convenient. Councilman Tuite said
the Board is still discussing HOV. Councilman Tuite pointed out
the down valley system has been successful but people are not
riding the buses in the city routes. Councilman Tuite said RFTA
is trying to figure out why, is coming up with smaller buses,
addressing the different routes. Councilman Tuite said this is
an agency reporting to the city and county government. Council-
man Tuite said if Council has problems, perhaps he has not been
communicating enough at Council meetings.
Councilwoman Fallin said she has been frustrated by decisions
made by RFTA in the past, but she cannot tie this to the budget.
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Councilwoman Fallin pointed out the Council has not had a meeting
with the RFTA Board in the last two years. Councilwoman Fallin
recommended the Commissioners and Council meet with RFTA and
discuss concerns but not hold the budget up. Councilman Isaac
agreed about a joint meeting. Councilman Isaac said it is not
appropriate to send the budget back at this point.
Mayor Stirling said he has raised the issue of why there is no
downtown shuttle, and why there aren't more riders on the city
routes. Mayor Stirling said he would like to discuss what the
citizens of Aspen are getting for their money and try to deter-
mine how they can get more for it. Wainwright Dawson said
transportation is a good reason for consolidation so there are
not two entities dealing with problems that effect everyone.
Dawson said the governments ought to deal up front with what the
people need.
Dwight Shellman, RFTA Board, said he felt it was a mistake to
create a super-government and spin it off where it would not be
accountable. Shellman said this is one reason he fought for the
Council and Commissioners to retain budget control every year so
they could address service policy at the same time. Shellman
said Councilman Gassman's observations are correct. RFTA is an
isolated agency, and it is complacent. Shellman said what RFTA
lacks is meaningful constructive input from public officials.
Shellman said the agency has increased the headways to one-half
hour down valley at no increase in cost. Shellman said on
February lst, there can be 15 minute headways on Main street by
re-routing the city buses. Shellman said he feels strongly about
the high occupancy vehicle lanes. It ought to be done this year,
and there is money in the budget that can be used to design
these. Shellman said until there was a change in membership on
the board, there was not a majority to instruct staff to look
into the types of complaints brought up by Councilman Gassman.
Eve Homeyer, RFTA board, reminded Council the city was going
broke running the city bus routes with the resources they had
allocated to transportation; likewise the county. This was the
impetus to put RFTA together and there would be savings in the
consolidation of the routes. Ms. Homeyer said that RFTA has had
the money to improve Rubey park and to get on a solid footing to
plan for the future. Ms. Homeyer said RFTA has increased service
in some areas, has started the van pool program. Ms. Homeyer
said RFTA does not get the backing of Council. Ms. Homeyer said
the bus service is keeping more cars from coming into the city.
Every person that rides the bus is one less car coming into
town. Ms. Homeyer said RFTA would put a shuttle in if there was
some place to shuttle people back and forth. Ms. Homeyer agreed
that RFTA and Council need more meetings.
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Councilman Isaac moved to continue this meeting to January 12,
1988, at 5:00 p.m.; seconded by Councilwoman Fallin. All in
favor, with the exception of Councilman Tuite. Motion carried.
Council scheduled a meeting with RFTA and the Commissioners for
Tuesday, January 19, 1988, at 5:00 p.m. Council decided that the
1988 RFTA budget will stand as approved.
RESOLUTION #1, SERIES OF 1988 - Calling Special Election
Councilwoman Fallin said she would like to see a Charter amend-
ment on the election limiting the terms of the Mayor and Council-
members. City Attorney Taddune pointed out this resolution calls
for a special election to be held March 15, 1988. This date can
be changed; however, the Council has to call an election 60 days
prior to the date of the election. Council decided to discuss
the election and ballot issues at the continued meeting.
INTERIM OFFICE SPACE SOLUTION
Councilwoman Fallin said there is no mention of moving the child
care center on Council's agenda. This has to do with the county
and not with the city. City Manager Bob Anderson said the agenda
item is whether Council wants to spend money exploring the idea
of moving a substantial amount of city employees around to dif-
ferent locations. Anderson told Council he has looked at many
different alternatives. Anderson said the county board feels the
child care center has a month to month situation, only if the
county does not need the space. Anderson said he is trying to
accommodate everyone as best possible. Anderson said the most
logical thing he can see would involve moving the child care
center downstairs. Anderson said this is not totally a basement
and has a wall worth of light. Anderson said the issue is to
find out if this would work, which will take architectural study.
Steve Barnett said this issue came to Council about 6 years ago,
which launched the child care center. Barnett said there is a
historical perspective for Council to be involved. Barnett
pointed out there has been a 100 percent increase in births in
the last decade and children must become a more important issue
to this community and very much an issue for Council. Barnett
said it does not make sense that the child care center is more
economical moved downstairs as the city will be paying for
remodelling of two areas. Barnett said he feels this space is a
basement and is much less safe in case of an emergency or fire.
Susan Hoban said they wanted Council to aware they are involved
in the space and in the child care center. Ms. Hoban said
Council has been very supportive of the child care center. Ms.
Hoban said the basement space is not safe. There are 21 steps to
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the upstairs, with 6 people to get 31 non-walkers out of that
wing. Ms. Hoban said parents will take their children out of
this day care center if it is moved. Ms. Hoban said this is
being looked at on paper but not the emotional impact. There are
35 families impacted by moving this to the basement. Ms. Hoban
said the basement space may be appropriate f or another organiza-
tion. Richard Roth said he would like Council to go on record
that they are not going to spend any of the taxpayers money
trying to relocate children to a basement, and an unsafe space.
John Walla said he would like a resolution from Council that they
would take the $5,000 and put it into improving the basement f or
city/county interim space and keep a first class operation for
children where it is.
Councilman Isaac moved to send a letter strongly urging the
Commissioners not to move the day care. center down to the
basement; seconded by Mayor Stirling. All in favor, with the
exception of Councilman Gassman. Motion carried.
Council continued the meeting to January 12, 1988, at 5:00 p.m.;
Council left Chambers at 9:30 p.m.
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Club will be the clean up crew, paid for by the Diner's Card.
Ms. Arnold said they are trying to direct monies from the a la
carte back into the community. Forsch said any monies made go to
Tipsy Taxi and the Aspen Ski Club. Ms. Arnold said the coupon
sales go back to the restaurants.
John Walla, restaurant association, said the majority of the
members are totally in favor of this event. The a la carte adds
a lot to the way people perceive Aspen; last year it was heavily
supported by locals. Walla told Council some of the problem s
created last year were because of the overwhelming success of the
event, which the applicants are equipped to handle this year.
Gail Quinn, Diner's Club, told Council they have presented to the
entire restaurant community of Aspen and Snowmass the opportunity
to become members of Diner's Club. Ms. Quinn pointed out the
city does regulate the use of Wagner park for things like rugby
games. Ms. Quinn said the public is welcome to attend a la
carte. Ms. Quinn said for corporate accountability they could
not provide a format for restaurants that do not offer their
product.
Dan Arrow said Diner's Club should not sponsor this event; it
could be sponsored by the restaurant association. Arrow said
because Diner's Club is the sponsor of this event, it has to
happen the week the town does not need it. Arrow suggested this
event could be held when the town could use the promotion. Arrow
pointed out the town has no control over how Diner's Club will
use this promotion. Arrow said the restaurants did not pay sales
tax on this event last year. Arrow said 50 percent of the
coupons go to the restaurants and they are getting compensated.
That money does not go to charity. Arrow said the restaurants
are getting a free ride on this event. Arrow said the city can
come up with other events that will cost much less.
John Hanson, Aspen Skiing Company, told Council Diner's Club is a
major sponsor of Winternational and World Cup races. Hanson
pointed out the World Cup races cannot be held at another time of
year. Tim Cottrell, vice-president restaurant association, told
Council there is a price control structure in the a la carte so
that restaurants can offer low priced items and people can taste
a lot of different things. Cottrell said there is no way
restaurants are making a profit on this event. Cottrell said the
event was overwhelming last year and showed very well for Aspen
and for Diner's Club. City Manager Bob Anderson said the city is
not supposed to be involved in the clean up after this event.
Councilman Isaac moved to approve the Aspen a la carte event
March 2, 1988, and the special event permit for that date, and
instruct the applicant to work out the sales tax; seconded by
Councilman Tuite.
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