HomeMy WebLinkAboutminutes.council.19910211Aspen City Council Regular Meeting February 11, 1991
COMMENDATION - Maggie Woods 1
CITIZEN COMMENTS 1
COUNCILMEMBER COMMENTS 1
CONSENT CALENDAR 4
LIQUOR LICENSE RENEWALS 5
SPECIAL EVENT PERMITS - Winternational 5
LIQUOR LICENSE HEARING - Caspian Corporation d/b/a Ebbe's 5
REQUEST FOR FUNDS - Grassroots Ski Experience 8
REQUEST WAIVER OF PLANNING FEES - Marolt Barn 8
RESOLUTION #5, SERIES OF 1991 - Pitkin County Housing Mitiga-
tion 9
HOUSING MITIGATION - 409 East Hopkins 9
RESOLUTION ##6, SERIES OF 1991 - Valley Light Rail Alignment 10
RESOLUTION MAROON CREEK BRIDGE DESIGN 11
CITY HOLIDAYS 11
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Aspen City Council Regular Meeting February 11, 1991
Mayor Stirling called the meeting to order at 5:00 p.m. with
Councilmembers Pendleton, Tuite, Peters and Gassman present.
COMMENDATION - Maggie Woods
Mayor Stirling and Council presented a commendation to Maggie Woods
for foregoing Christmas gifts and giving the money to help
subsidize youth by sending them on an outward bound experience.
CITIZEN COMMENTS
1. Phoebe Ryerson showed a map that is going to be part of the
town meeting February 13th entitled "How Green is Our Valley". The
white is the only people thing. Ms. Ryerson suggested the musical
background should be, where have all the families gone.
COUNCILMEMBER COMMENTS
1. Councilman Gassman said during the interviews for the Wheeler
opera House Board it was suggested a way to expose more people to
the Wheeler is to have more city and town meetings there. The
comprehensive planning meeting will be there February 13th.
Councilman Gassman said the lobby is also a good place to have
meetings.
2. Councilman Gassman said earlier he brought up having benches
around town as an attribute to the community. Councilman Gassman
suggested this be done in conjunction with the pedestrian/bikeway
plan and that the city also look at outdoor chess tables. Carol
O'Dowd, city manager, told Council she has been having the city
manager coffee meetings with city staff at the Wheeler. Ms. O'Dowd
said staff did improve the existing benches around town and she
will have them pursue chess tables.
3. Councilman Peters said there have been a number of newspaper
articles about the funding for the Maroon Creek bridge. There is
some community anguish about the loss of funding for the Maroon
Creek bridge and some allegations this was through inactivity of
the elected officials. Councilman Peters said the Colorado
Department of Highways sought out funding before the EIS was
completed and then told the community they had to hurry up.
Councilman Peters said the city, county and P & Z's took the
correct approach in that there are a number of issues to examine
before a bridge design can be agreed upon. There were a number of
joint meetings and the result is a joint resolution dealing with
the design of the bridge as well mass transportation issues, grade
separation, etc. Councilman Peters said it does a disservice to
the P & Z's and all the work they have done to allow the idea to
remain that they have been idle.
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4. Mayor Stirling said Council needs to add to the agenda the
appointments to Board and Commission. Councilman Gassman said he
would prefer to put this on the February 25th agenda. Council said
all board members will continue to serve until that time.
5. Mayor Stirling said he has been having discussions with Wayne
Ethridge, chairman of the County Commissioners, on the philosophy
of joint departments and serving two managers. Mayor Stirling said
it would be a good idea in 1991 to add the issue of joint depart-
ments, how they are operated, are they operated as efficiently as
they can be and is the Council still philosophically committed to
joint departments. Carol O'Dowd, city manager, said she is
concerned about some joint departments, that the intergovernmental
agreements as currently drafted are not being honored and in some
cases overlap each other. Council scheduled a work session for
February 18 at 6:30 p.m.
6. Mayor Stirling said there was an editorial in the Aspen Times
about energy efficiency. Mayor Stirling told Council he recently
attended a meeting about energy efficiency. Council will address
a water efficiency ordinance in April. Mayor Stirling suggested
the city can work on making Aspen a model of energy efficiency.
John Phillips has agreed to volunteer time to work with the city.
Mayor Stirling asked the city manager to begin to explore these
ideas and bring them back by March to talk about an energy
efficiency strategy. Councilman Peters asked if this is intended
to create a policy for city government or to implement code
amendments for the citizens. Mayor Stirling said Council needs to
see what comes out of the process.
Councilman Gassman said Council had discussed expanding the role of
the Clean Air Board to energy efficiency, which would be a good
idea. Carol O'Dowd, city manager, said the Clean Air Board is
looking at energy conservation as part of their clean air program.
Mayor Stirling moved to direct the city manager to look into this,
explore it and come back with a report within 30 days for Council's
scrutiny in order to see if it can be pursued this on some more
formal approach; seconded by Councilman Peters.
Councilman Peters agreed it might be better to go through the Clean
Air Board and use their expertise.
All in favor, with the exception of Councilman Gassman. Motion
carried.
7. Mayor Stirling requested RFTA pursue the possibility of
allowing dogs on buses.
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8. Mayor Stirling announced the comprehensive planning meeting
February 13th at 5:30 at the Wheeler Opera House.
9. Mayor Stirling distributed a resolution he would like on the
February 25th agenda urging President Bush to continue the pursuit
peaceful solutions in the Persian Gulf. Mayor Stirling said
citizens have been crafting the language for this resolution.
Mayor Stirling said this is a positive way to balance what happened
two weeks ago. Peter Korn asked Council to give this resolution
careful consideration. Korn said at the last meeting Council
questioned whether it is appropriate for them to be making comments
on matters of national public policy. Korn said what happens at a
national level affects everyone.
10. Mayor Stirling said Harvard has an award program for local
government given each year. Mayor Stirling complimented Amy
Margerum and Tom Baker, who drafted an application for this award.
They chose the Aspen affordable housing program as the essence for
the program. The program focuses on both city and county efforts.
11. Carol O'Dowd, city manager, requested Council move the
Winternational special event permit to the liquor license business.
Mayor Stirling moved to move (b) from the consent calendar to the
liquor license authority business; seconded by Councilman Peters.
All in favor, motion carried.
12. Carol O'Dowd, city manager, said at the last meeting there
were comments made about ACRA, the direction the city and ACRA are
going, and a possible work session. Mayor Stirling said he would
like to discuss the open meetings and responding to having a
Council member on the ACRA board. Councilman Peters said the
primary issue is public funding and open meetings; this issue is
well defined. Councilman Peters said he does not see any common
ground with the ACR.A. Councilwoman Pendleton said there seems to
be animosity between Council and the ACRA, and if this can be
remedied by meeting it should be done. Councilman Peters said
during the budget cycle, Council was assured there would be open
meeting. Now there are not open meetings.
Mayor Stirling moved to have a work session with the ACRA on April
1st; seconded by Councilwoman Pendleton. All in favor, with the
exception of Councilmembers Peters and Gassman. Motion carried.
13 . Carol O' Dowd, city manager, told Council the city has had some
difficulty keeping the streets clean as possible. The streets
crews have been addressing the problems of dust, flooding and snow
removal simultaneously. The crews are flushing and sweeping the
streets daily.
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14. Carol O'Dowd, city manager, told Council citizens have been
inquiring about a parking plaza/gondola shuttle. Ms. O'Dowd told
Council she has been meeting with Dan Blankenship, manager of RFTA.
A shuttle can be implemented as soon as February 18th. The shuttle
can be done for about $8000 by a van running from the parking plaza
to the gondola 6 times an hour in the morning and afternoon.
Councilman Gassman said he feels a shuttle is useful but has a
problem paying for this out of the general fund. This is a
community problem and should be paid for out of community transpor-
tation funds. Councilman Peters agreed about the source of funds
Councilman Gassman moved to ask RFTA Board to look into implement-
ing the shuttle; seconded by Councilman Peters. All in favor,
motion carried.
15. Carol O'Dowd, city manager, requested Council add an item to
the next work session. The valley rail committee will be putting
together a work program. Council should list questions and
concerns included in a work program in pursuing a valley rail.
Mayor Stirling moved to add this to the end of the February 18th
work session; seconded by Councilman Peters. All in favor, motion
carried.
16. Carol O'Dowd, city manager, told Council staff is implementing
a complaint policy. Ms. O'Dowd said when a public complaint is
being registered, the person is told this is viewed as public
information. The complaint is taken down and copies are being
given to Council as well as being made available to the press.
Mayor Stirling disagreed with that approach. Councilman Gassman
said the city is a public agency and everything is a matter of
public record. Councilwoman Pendleton agreed. Councilman Peters
said it is more of a service to the public to allow a conduit for
their complaints to the press. Ms. O'Dowd said she will formalize
a policy and bring it back to Council. Mayor Stirling said he is
afraid this may dampen citizens enthusiasm for calling in com-
plaints.
17. Councilwoman Pendleton asked staff to take care of the
potholes at the forest service corner.
CONSENT CALENDAR
Councilwoman Pendleton moved to adopt the consent calendar as
amended; seconded by Councilwoman Pendleton. The consent calendar
is: A. Minutes - December 17, 1990
B. Kraut Property Lease - Double K Parking
All in favor, motion carried.
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LIQUOR LICENSE RENEWALS
Councilman Gassman moved to approve the liquor license renewals for
The Grill; Crystal Palace and Carnavale; seconded by Councilman
Peters. All in favor, motion carried.
SPECIAL EVENT PERMITS - Winternational
Councilman Gassman asked if this event is open to the public.
Councilman Gassman moved to approve the permit if everything is
open to the public; seconded by Councilman Peters.
Mayor Stirling said this event is not on public property, like the
wine classic. Mayor Stirling said Council should urge the sponsors
to be as open about this as possible.
Councilmembers Gassman and Peters in favor; Councilmembers
Pendleton, Tuite and Mayor Stirling opposed. Motion NOT carried.
Mayor Stirling moved to approve the winternational special event
permit and convey that Council urges the hospitality tent be open
and make every effort to make this a community event; seconded by
Councilwoman Pendleton. All in favor, with the exception of
Councilman Gassman. All in favor, motion carried.
LIQUOR LICENSE HEARING - Caspian Corporation d/b/a Ebbe's
Mayor Stirling went over the procedures for the hearing on the
renewal of Caspian Corporation d/b/a Ebbe's. Notice of this
hearing has been mailed by certified mail to the applicant. The
allegations are that Ebbe's allowed underaged persons to purchase
and/or consume alcoholic beverages and served alcoholic beverages
to intoxicated persons.
Officer Roger Wall testified about a criminal mischief call on
January 9, 1991, at which time he encountered an unconscious person
being supported down the stairs. Cal Madere was arrested for
punching a hole in the bathroom door. Rick Kohler was transported
to the Aspen Valley Hospital. During this time, it was discovered
that Madere was underage and no identification has been found.
Kohler had a blood alcohol of .298. Wall told Council Madere has
no identification or wallet on him when he was booked for criminal
mischief.
Leon Murray, police department, told Council he went to Ebbe's to
see what the officers were dealing with. There was an unconscious
male near the door for whom an ambulance has been called. Murray
assisted Wall in the arrest of Madere. After the arrest it was
discovered that Madere was 18 years old. Murray told Council after
Madere was transported to the Pitkin County jail, his state of
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intoxication increased markedly and rapidly. Arrangements were
made to have Madere taken to the detox facility in Glenwood
Springs.
Peter Bock, police department, told Council he keeps a file on each
liquor licensed establishment with good and bad reports. He also
logs in any fake ids turned into the police department. Bock went
over the incidents in the file. Bock told Council Ebbe and his
staff have all taken the required TIPS training.
John Case, representing Ebbe, presented a letter for the record
from Joan Paterson stating that she served 3 rounds to a table with
15 or 20 people at it. Jerry Moorehead, Ebbe's employee, told
Council he was on the door the night of the incident. Moorehead
checked a Louisiana driver's license for Madere. When he went
upstairs, this person was sitting with a large crowd of people
around a booth. Ebbe Saghatoslami told Council he is at the
restaurant every night; that Ebbe's has had TIPS training for all
the employees. Ebbe told Council he has an underage drinking
policy and an over consumption policy. Ebbe went over the events
of the night of January 8th. Ebbe told Council he went into the
bathroom and saw that the door was broken, and then had the doorman
call the police. Ebbe told Council later that evening he found a
fake i . d . in the bathroom trash can and took the i . d . to the police
department. Goodwin brought the police department log of fake
i.d.s turned in and pointed out there is no entry for January 8th
or 9th.
Councilman Gassman said in the 4 years he has served on Council,
this is the only liquor licensee that has had a hearing, twice.
Ebbe said this is because he has musicians, which people love to
see. Young people go through all sorts of things to get in.
Goodwin pointed out the reason for this hearing is that someone
from Ebbe's went to the hospital because they were so intoxicated,
that a minor was served and that other people were being over
served. Goodwin contended it is the responsibility of the liquor
licensee or his employees to make observations and confirm if
someone is being overserved. Goodwin said the police were told by
Madere he was 21 year old; during the investigation it was found he
was 18 years old. There has been information provided about
whether Madere had a false i.d. or not. Goodwin said it can be a
lose/lose situation if the police department does not take action
when someone with a blood alcohol level of 298 goes to the
hospital.
Case said kids do try and sneak in where the action is. Ebbe has,
in the past, always called the police when incidents happen. Case
said the police department may feel this is a burden to have to
respond to these calls. Case said Ebbe should be commended for
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calling the police, not hammered for it. Case said the second
incident in the notice to show cause involved a 48 year old and a
20 year old. Council has not heard very much about this case, and
the officer is not present to testify. The burden of persuasion
has not been met.
Case said on the underage case, the statute states if a person
exhibits fraudulent proof of age, any action relying on such
fraudulent proof of age shall not constitute grounds for revocation
or suspension of a license. Case said two people checked Madere's
i.d., Jerry Moorehead at the door and Ebbe was present. Case
pointed out Madere lied to the police about his age when he was
booked. Case said on the overserving charge, it simply did not
happen. Three rounds were served in over more than 2 hours to a
large group. This was not an instance of serving people who were
visibly intoxicated. Case said Ebbe is a responsible and diligent
business man and there is no return to him for over serving
customers.
Mayor Stirling moved to suspend the rules until 10 p.m.; seconded
by Councilwoman Pendleton. All in favor, motion carried.
Councilwoman Pendleton said after listening to the evidence, she
feels Ebbe goes out of his way to stop abuses from happening.
However, this particular incident is very scary. Councilwoman
Pendleton said it is something for a person to get a blood alcohol
content of .298 without anyone really noticing. It seems that Ebbe
has tried to do as much as he can to prevent this sort of thing
from happening. Councilwoman Pendleton said it behooves the town
to change their attitudes about alcohol consumption.
Councilman Peters said a decision on finding the facts in the
incidents is clear; however, a decision on what to do about it is
not so clear.. Councilman Peters said for the purposes of
determining whether or not Price, being underage, was drinking in
Ebbes, her own admission is all Council has to go on and it is
pretty strong evidence. Councilman Peters said in the January 9th
incident, Madere did not have an i.d. on him when he was booked.
There was a lot of allusion to a false i.d. but no one would go on
record under sworn testimony and say that they saw a false i.d.
Councilman Peters said Kohler was unconscious when he was taken
from the premises. It is stretching the imagination to think he
went from being ambulatory and admissible to Ebbe's to being
comatose and taken out and no one noticed anything was happening.
Councilman Peters said for finding of act, there have been minors
served at Ebbe's and there has been an incidence of over serving.
Councilman Peters said this is a high risk establishment; this is
a place were young people, on the cusp of being legal, come and
have a good time. Councilman Peters said the fact that two people
were comatose is troubling and the fact that there were two
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incidents of violence is very troubling. Councilman Peters said he
does not know why the police should be subject to violent drunkards
or to health risks when it is clearly the owner's responsibility to
care for their customers. Councilman Peters said he feels these
incidents are clear violations of the liquor code; however, what is
not clear is what to do about it. Councilman Peters said eh does
not want to encourage bar owners not to call the police when they
have a problem.
Councilman Tuite agreed someone was overserved, however he got it.
Councilman Tuite said there was an underage person, however he got
in. Councilman Tuite said Ebbe is not looking the other way.
Councilman Tuite said he is prepared to find there were violations
but not to impose an suspension, non-renewal or revocation.
Mayor Stirling moved to renew the 1 iquor 1 icense and to suspend the
license for 5 days beginning February 26, 1991; seconded by
Councilman Gassman. All in favor, with the exception of Council-
members Pendleton and Tuite. Motion carried.
Mayor Stirling moved to suspend the rules and continue the meeting
to 11 p.m.; seconded by Councilman Peters. All in favor, with the
exception of Councilmembers Tuite and Gassman. Motion carried.
REQUEST FOR FUNDS - Grassroots Ski Experience
Councilman Tuite told Council the County Commissioners voted to
give $1000 if the city matches that amount.
Councilman Gassman moved to appropriate $1500 from the contingency
for Grassroots Ski Experience; seconded by Councilwoman Pendleton.
Councilman Gassman said this is something very different than
groups that have been hosted in Aspen in the past.
All in favor, motion carried.
REQUEST WAIVER OF PLANNING FEES - Marolt Barn
Rick Newton, representing the Historical Society, told Council the
planning fees are $2380.
Councilman Tuite moved to waive the planning fees of $2400;
seconded by Mayor Stirling.
Councilwoman Pendleton asked if there is a policy on waiver of
fees. Mayor Stirling said the city only has a policy on tap fees
for affordable housing. Jed Caswall, city attorney, pointed out
there is no policy for waiving fees other than for affordable
housing. Council paid the fees for the youth center.
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Councilman Tuite withdrew his motion
Mayor Stirling moved to table this to February 25 and to ask the
city manager to assess the contingency funds and give Council a
balance; seconded by Councilman Tuite.
Councilman Gassman said he would like to have an idea about how
many requests from non-profit groups are possible in the future.
Councilwoman Pendleton said she would like to have a policy about
waiving of fees.
All in favor, motion carried.
RESOLUTION #5, SERIES OF 1991 - Pitkin County Housing Mitigation
Councilman Gassman moved to approve Resolution ##5, Series of 1991;
seconded by Councilman Peters.
Amy Margerum, planning director, pointed out staff has taken out of
the resolution reference to a GMQS exemption. This will occur at
the time the Lutheran Church comes in for a change in use. Ms.
Margerum said this is a creative approach and the applicant spent
a lot of time researching and finding a solution.
All in favor, motion carried.
HOUSING MITIGATION - 409 East Hopkins
Leslie Lamont, planning office, reminded Council in December they
allocated a commercial GMQS to 409 E. Hopkins. The applicant
offered cash-in-lieu; Council denied their full offer of cash-in-
lieu. In January the applicant presented a proposal to buy an
apartment building that would mitigate housing for 17.5 employees
and mitigate the difference by a cash-in-lieu. The proposal is to
buy the Smuggler Mountain building and deed restrict it to 17.5
employees, turn the title over to the housing authority, who would
have the choice of condominiumizing the building and selling the
units. The money from the sale of the building would be used to
pay off the cash-in-lieu. Ms. Lamont recommended Council table any
decision because staff has not been able to fully review this
proposal. Staff has identified 4 issues; (1) status of the site
regarding the EPA superfund; (2) the housing authority's ability or
desire to accept this building for condominiumization or manage-
ment; (3) if the building is condominiumized, the cash-in-lieu is
deferred for the full mitigation; (4) all these fees may price out
low income category buyers.
Art Daily, representing the applicant, said the housing authority
also needs to know that this building is structurally sound. Daily
said the threshold EPA issue has to be determined before this
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projects goes a lot further. Daily told Council there are not very
many properties that can be used to meet the needs of this
commercial project.
Councilman Peters said this is a good idea and creates housing
immediately with no growth. Councilman Peters suggested the
housing authority needs an attorney to evaluate its position.
Mayor Stirling said Council is interested in trying to make this
work but not at all costs. Councilman Gassman said this has not
yet been discussed by the housing authority.
Council said someone should look into the health and safety aspects
of the building in the next two weeks. Councilman Gassman said the
housing authority is not set up to manage dispersed, rental
housing. Carr Kunze, housing director, told Council they have not
looked at the financial feasibility or other issues. Council asked
if the applicant would be willing to pay for the building inves-
tigation. Daily said if the proposal goes ahead, they would be
willing. Mayor Stirling requested the housing authority do as much
analysis, structural, legal and operational, in the next two weeks.
Councilman Gassman said this seems to be asking for more detail on
a proposal which is not the city's or housing authority's respon-
sibility. Daily said this proposal is $215,000 beyond what the
cash-in-lieu required. Ms. Margerum noted this type of housing is
a new idea and the staff should draw up guidelines of when housing
will be accepted and what type of criteria need to be met.
Mayor Stirling moved the housing authority on (a) condition, status
of the site, because of it's being in the EPA superfund site,
issues of ownership, be pursed in this 2 week period, the same time
Bill is pursuing the other; seconded by Councilman Peters. All in
favor, motion carried.
RESOLUTION #6, SERIES OF 1991 - Valley Light Rail Alignment
Councilman Peters moved to adopt Resolution #6, Series of 1991;
seconded by Councilman Tuite.
Councilwoman Pendleton said she would like the reference to the
light rail being important given the ongoing war in the Middle East
deleted. Mayor Stirling suggested "in light of our nation's
dependence on oil and the importance of air quality" be sub-
stituted. Councilwoman Pendleton said #3 needs to be broader not
just addressing transportation from Aspen to Snowmass. Councilman
Peters agreed Council should pass the resolution in its simplest
form, leave out 2 and 3 and change the wording in ##1 as above.
Councilwoman Pendleton moved to amend Resolution #6, Series of
1991, as above, and to adopt it; seconded by Councilman Peters.
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All in favor, with the exception of Councilman Gassman and Mayor
Stirling. Motion carried.
RESOLUTION MAROON CREEK BRIDGE DESIGN
Carol O'Dowd, city manager, said this letter to the department of
highways recommends the Maroon Creek bridge and informs them that
Council will be reviewing the joint resolution.
Councilman Gassman moved to accept authorizing Mayor Stirling to
send the letter to the highway department; seconded by Councilwoman
Pendleton.
Councilman Tuite said he has a problem with this size bridge.
Councilman Tuite said the community has to be aware the state
intend to keep the old Maroon Creek bridge and put a 90 foot bridge
to the north side. Councilman Gassman said there is a work session
with the highway department in one week and suggested this be
tabled until after then.
Councilman Gassman withdrew his motion.
Mayor Stirling moved to table this to February 25, 1991; seconded
by Councilman Gassman. All in favor, motion carried.
Ms. O'Dowd suggested the BOCC and RFTA be invited to attend the
work session February 18th with the highway department. Council
concurred.
CITY HOLIDAYS
Councilman Gassman moved to table this to February 25, 1991;
seconded by Councilwoman Pendleton. All in favor, motion carried.
Council adjourned at 11:10 p.m.
Kathryn Koch, City Clerk
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