HomeMy WebLinkAboutminutes.apz.20030318ASPEN PLANNING & ZONING COMMISSION -Minutes MARCH 18, 2003
COMMENTS - Commissioners, Planning Staff and Public ..................................... 2
MINUTES ................................................................................................................. 2
DECLARATION OF CONFLICTS OF INTERESTS ............................................. 2
DANCING BEAR LODGE MINOR PUD, REZONING~ MOUNTAIN VIEW
PLANE, TIMESHARE, SUBDIVISION, AND GMQS EXEMPTIONS FOR
LODGE PRESERVATION AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING ..............................2
PARK-DALE SUBDIVISION .................................................................................. 8
ST. REGIS PUD AMENDMENT, TIMESHARE, SCOTT WOODFORD ........... 12
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Jasmine Tygre opened the regnlar Aspen Planning and Zoning meeting at 4:30 pm.
Commissioners present were Dylan Johns, Jack Johnson, Ruth Kruger, Roger
Haneman, Eric Cohen and Jasmine Tygre present. Staffin attendance were: David
Hoefer, Assistant City Manager; Joyce Ohlson, James Lindt and Scott Woodford,
Community Development; Jackie Lothian, Deputy City Clerk.
COMMENTS - Commissioners, Planning Staff and Public
Joyce Ohlson reminded the commission of an extra meeting on March 25th and the
change of April meetings from the 1st to the 8th.
Gideon Kaufman stated that he represented the third item on the agenda, the St.
Regis, and four people from Orlando Florida were present for this item tonight.
Jasmine Tygre mentioned the scheduling problem with tonight's agenda having too
many substantial items on the agenda. Tygre asked that the agendas be dealt with
in a better manner because it wasn't fair to the applicant, public or commission.
MINUTES
MOTION: Ruth Kruger moved to approve the minutes form March 5,
2003; seconded by Roger Haneman. APPROVED 6-0.
DECLARATION OF CONFLICTS OF INTERESTS
Dylan Johns stated a conflict with the Park-Dale Subdivision.
CONTINUED PUBLIC HEARING (02/18/03):
DANCING BEAR LODGE MINOR PUD~ REZONING, MOUNTAIN VIEW
PLANE, TIMESHARE, SUBDIVISION, AND GMQS EXEMPTIONS FOR
LODGE PRESERVATION AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING
Jasmine Tygre opened the continued public hearing for the Dancing Bear Lodge
Minor PUD, Rezoning, Mountain View Plane, Timeshare, Subdivision, and
GMQS Exemptions for Lodge Preservation and Affordable Housing.
James Lindt stated that there were several concerns from the previous hearing from
staff and the planning commission. The height and massing, lack of on-site
affordable housing in regards to the mitigation requirements, questions regarding
the occupancy rates that were proposed, lack of check-in and delivery parking and
the width of the ramp for the parking garage were the issues or concerns, which the
applicant addressed significantly. Lindt reviewed the revised PUD plans noting
that the height was reduced from 63 feet to 57 feet at the mid-point of the gazebo
on the 5th floor. In addition the mass was reduced by stepping down and back the
western portion of the building to 2 and 3 stories on drawing A3.1; the turret was
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removed from the southeast corner of the roof and there were cutout balconies on
the southeast corner on the 4th floor as well as the northeast corner. Lindt said
these translated into interior floor plan changes (A2.4) providing 2 on site
affordable housing units, a three bedroom and a studio unit proposed at deed-
restricted category 2-rental. The other changes were the recess to the Durant
Avenue facade for the lounge area to accommodate outdoor patio seating. The
first floor southwest corner unit was converted from a 2800 square foot 3-bedroom
unit to a 1400 square foot 2-bedroom unit. Thc second floor (A2.5) was amended
by dividing one of the 2800 square foot units into two 1400 square foot units; the
bedroom count dropped in each of those units from 3 to 2. The third floor (A2.6)
changes were to the balconies and reduction of square footage to the western unit.
The fourth floor (A2.7) western unit was reduced to accommodate the new balcony
area to break up the mass further and the eastern units balconies were also added.
Thc fifth floor (A2.8) was still maintained as a recreational facility for guests of the
timeshare lodge; the parapet wall was removed and replaced with iron railing
setback in certain areas.
Lindt stated the staff opinion regarding the massing changes, which were thc
stepping down and cutting back for balconies and were a better transition to the
town homes to the west, 2-3 stories in height. Lindt said thc reduced height to 57
feet was still over the 52-foot height limit and if the commission was still
concerned about the proposed height then they should recommend thc applicant
remove the fifth floor. Staff believed the applicant went a long way to provide on-
site employee housing; the two units would allow 4.25 employees, which left the .9
employee housing mitigation to be provided through a cash-in-lieu payment, which
would be about $166,000.00 to the affordable housing fund. Staff proposed a
condition for 3 of the parking spaces for the AH units unless the occupants of those
units did not have cars then those spaces would go back into the lodging pool.
Lindt said that the occupancy rates of the units were provided through a report
(exhibits C & D). The applicant proposed a floating maintenance schedule so that
only one unit would be out of commission at one time. Staff proposed a condition
for the guest checkqin pull-in space to be mitigated by assigning 2 of the alley
spaces as 30-minute check in parking and for deliveries. Staff felt that the changes
made met the review standards with thc exception of the height issues.
Mitch Haas elaborated on the changes that addressed the concerns from the
commissioners and neighbors. Haas said that they were now at 11 units and 22
keys; there were 2 above grade quality employee units with cash-in-lieu for the
fraction ora unit. David Hoefer asked the square footage of those units. Haas
responded that they were 1,000 square feet and 400 square feet net livable space
respectively. Haas noted that they tried to make the lounge grill open to the public
on the top floor but it did not work out between the marketing people and numbers
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so the lounge/grill remained on the lobby ground level with store front type
windows and a recessed area for outdoor dining on the Durant side. Haas stated
that removing the parapet wall and 9 inches in plate height from each floor to
lower the building 6 feet reduced the height. The design was revised to a wedding
cake type building; a color-coded drawing was entered into the record depicting
the different heights of the building showing how the center of the building was
taller. There was a two-story element of balconies on the comers of the buildings.
Haas said that they prefer 2 employee parking spaces, at one per unit, but that
Wasn't a make or break issue. Haas said that the volume was broken up and the
height and massing was consistent with other projects in the area. There were now
§8 timeshare estates with a revolving maintenance schedule so there would not be
too many units out of service at one turn to help the occupancy figures.
David Brown explained the architectural drawings and he presented the scale
compared to the previous plans. Brown stated that the comers were 2 and 3 stories
with balconies and the overall building was 6 feet lower. Brown reiterated the
changed plans for each floor; the public area under the roof on the main floor that
is open to the outdoors with operable glass windows to allow for the restaurant bar
to have outside seating. Brown noted that there were 2 different products now with
four 1400 square foot 2-bedroom suites and seven 2800 square foot suites with 3-
bedrooms; all with lock-offbedrooms. Brown said that if the entire fifth floor
tame off it was 39 feet, 36 feet, and 42 feet at the comers.
Roger Haneman asked if the fifth floor were removed would this project be within
~he height limits of the infill. Lindt replied that it would be close if the fourth floor
WoUld be less than 50%, it would be close. Ruth Kruger asked the ceiling height
on the fifth floor. Brown responded that it was 9 feet to the roof of the greenhouse
with sloped ceilings. Kruger inquired into the air conditioning. Brown answered
that the mechanical was also on the fifth floor with photo voltec on the glass
surfaces to reduce the heat load and gain some electricity utilizing operable glass
with fabric below it.
Eric Cohen questioned the employee housing mitigation with a studio and 3-
bedroom. Brown replied that there were 1400 square feet for the maximum
number of employees per the Affordable Housing Guidelines for 4 employee
equivalents. Haas described it as one roommate situation or 2 roommate
situations; either one unit with roommates and one without. Brown said that they
could do a pair of 2-bedroom units but there wasn't the same number of employee
equivalents; they would continue to work with the Housing Board and Staff on the
equivalents for a different mix.
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David Brown presented a model, whicli ill~st~a~e~d' tile redesigned building with
removal pieces for the balcony corners. Brown utilized a shadow illustration
board depicting the seasons.
Johns asked if2½ baths were required in the employee unit. Brown responded that
there were 3 baths in the 3-bedroom unit. Haas noted that only one bath was
required in the 3-bedroom unit. Lindt replied that Housing reviewed the proposed
units and found they were consistent with the guidelines in relation to size; housing
would make an inspection prior to the project gaining a CO. Johns asked how the
balcony would work on the 2na floor southwest corner units with access from the
unit as well as the lock-off. Brown answered that was not worked out yet but it
would probably be used for only one unit at a time; it was a key problem.
Tygre asked for clarification on the entrance to the lobby andk the drop off
configuration. Brown responded that 2 spaces would be assigned for check-in with
an internal split for the grade change from the bar/restaurant to the check-in lobby
area. Brown explained the delivery area was at dock height for deliveries m the
alley; the alley had a 20-foot right-of-way. Tygre asked if there was also an
entrance on the east corner for the lounge area. Brown replied that entrance was
for the lounge with the doubled corner and a vestibule airlock at each corner.
Johns asked if they looked into a pull-in in front o£ the buildi~ag with dedicated
parking spaces for check-in. Brown replied that they had looked into a nn'n around
with a curb cut similar to what the Nell has but the city engineer, traffic, streets and
the planning staff'looked unfavorably on that plan. Lindt responded that the city
engineer was opposed to the leasing of spaces because the public would loose
parking spaces; the city attorney did not look favorably of'taking the public right-
of-way. Brown said that they would continue to try for a couple of spaces much
like the Jerome or Mountain Chalet. Eric Cohen asked if the city currently leased
spaces at other properties. Lindt replied that was true but this interpretation was
made about a year ago to continue the leases as a grandfathered situation however
will not approve any new leases. Johns asked if there was discussion of impacts on
the alley traffic; he asked if that was the optimum way to get into to this site. Lindt
answered that staff felt there was sufficient setback from the parking garage and
Monarch Street, which was less busy.
Tygre asked how would it be made clear that the actual hotel entrance was on
Monarch Street as opposed to the corner, which enters into the lounge. Brown
replied that signage could be done but he wasn't concerned because those spaces
flowed into the other internal spaces. Tygre stated concern for the external
circulation; people being dropped of'fat the corner rather than where the lobby
entrance was located. Brown responded there would be enough communication
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with the people prior to their arrival from brochures and floor plans plus there
would be staff to bring in the luggage.
Johnson asked if the alley was still dirt. Lindt replied that it was and the city has
not adopted a policy at this time; HPC was opposed to paving. Haas stated that the
only condition that was given was to provide a concrete apron where the alley
meets the sidewalk so that dirt wasn't tracked out of the alley. Brown said that
they would be willing to enter into an improvement district for sidewalk, curb and
gutter.
Johnson stated that the study mentioned the exclusivity of the project. Brown
replied that was fairly consistent with other timeshares for privacy and exclusivity
was something many of the buyers wanted. Brown stated that the timeshare
regulations demand non-exclusivity and rent out to the public; they were willing to
conform to the rules and hopefully the market will be able to 1511 the units. Brown
stated that it wasn't in their best interest to be non-exclusive; Snowmass and other
areas did not have the ordinance that Aspen does. Johnson asked how lodge
preservation was determined. Lindt replied that any property that has historically
operated as a lodging establishment was eligible for the LP Overlay to prevent
those properties from going over to a residential use or allow for expansion to
bring back part of the bed base. Haas explained the conditions for rezoning to LP
were to protect small lodges on properties historically used for lodge
accommodations, to permit redevelopment to accommodate lodge and affordable
housing uses, to encourage development which is compatible with the
neighborhood in respect to the manner which has historically operated and to
provide an incentive for existing lodges on site or adjacent properties. Haas said
that everyone previously wanted to develop free-market townhomes on this
property; the 23-unit lodge could convert to 3 townhomes with a use by right.
Haas said that they were preserving a lodge use on this property.
Johnson asked why the income asset restriction was waived for the employee
housing. Ohlson replied that was for more flexibility for the lodge employees to be
placed in those on-site housing units.
Johnson said that there were several good faith efforts addressed for the LEAD,
hybrid autos and bike fleet; he asked how the new owners would address these
efforts. Lindt replied that it was addressed in condition #21 in Resolution #6 as
part of their PM-10 mitigation plan.
Johnson asked about the 25% open space requirement in relation to the project's
proximity to Wagner Park and the Cooper Street Mall as amenities. Haas replied
that they have done a trade-off because of what someone typically thinks of as
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open space, but was it not necessarily defined as open space by the City to meet the
requirement. Haas stated that they were providing more usable open space in
facilities for the people buying into this project; the amenities and facilities
package and the rooftop deck would be open space, which don't meet the open
space requirements of'the code.
Public Comments:
Carl Levy, public, stated that he was president of Southpoint Condominium
Association; he appreciated the drawings in response to his comments for the
views from the southwest. Levy said that because of the grade of Durant Street
most of the first level garage was above grade on that side se, it was in effect 6
stories not 5, which leads to the bUlk and mass of the building. Levy said that it
was not truly wedding caked but only a small wedge to the top layer; the new
model in a darker color makes the building look much smaller than the garish look
of the first one.
Sue Woolery, public, said that she was a member of the family that owned and
operated the Limelight Lodge, which was across the alley so!¢th of the proposed
Dancing Bear Lodge. Woolery stated concern for their economic well being; this
proposal was consistently over the allowable height and asked the COmmission to
look at the existing requirements. Woolery asked the commission to consider the
existing laws concerning height requirements and how this project adversely
affects the neighbors.
Rodney Knudson, public, said that it was premature to judge what the infill
regulations would say; there were questions about allowing buildings of this height
even if in-fill was approved. Knudson said that the open space provision was not
being met by the glass atrium on top of the building. Knudson said that there was
not adequate access for handicapped people.
Tygre suggested the commission provide brief comments on this project then table
and continue to April 8th because of the magnitude of tonight's agenda.
The commissioners' comments included reworking the employee housing mix of a
3 bedroom and a studio because those were the least desirable; replacement was
suggested with one and two bedroom units because they were the most desirable
size units. Eric Cohen mentioned that the guidelines were to use the existing
zoning, which would not allow him to vote in favor of this proposed project as
presented even though he was in favor of the infill ordinance. Roger Haneman
expressed a desire for a reduction in the height, more keys and the category 2 wage
and income restrictions in place for the AH units. Dylan Johns stated that the
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design has come in a positive direction but the west side of the building was still
under treated with scale, mass and articulation,
MOTION: Eric Cohen moved to continue the public hearing for the
Dancing Bear Lodge Minor PUD, Rezoning, Mountain View Plane,
Timeshare, Subdivision, and GMQS Exemptions for Lodge
Preservation and Affordable Housing to April 8, 2003; seconded by
Roger Haneman. Roll call vote: Kruger, yes; Johnson, yes; Johns, yes;
Haneman, yes; Cohen, yes; Tygre, yes. APPROVED 6-0.
PUBLIC HEARING:
PARK-DALE SUBDIVISION
Jasmine Tygre opened the public hearing for the Park-Dale SUbdivision. David
Hoefer stated that the affidavit of notice met the jurisdictional requirements.
James Lindt provided amended conditions to the commission, which he explained
and appear in the motion for the approved resolution.
Lindt said that the applicant was Coast Pacific Asset Management Inc., who
requested approval to reconfigure lots 4A and 5A of the Independence No.2
Subdivision (1180 Dale Avenue and 215 Park A~enue). The reconfiguration
would include two 6,000 square foot lots with a single-family house on each lot
and one 9,000 square foot lot with duplex or 2 residential dwelling units that meet
the R-6 dimensional requirements. Lindt noted the access for the 9,000 square foot
lot would be for one unit off Dale and one unit off Park; staff took issue with that
proposal.
Lindt said that the proposed development application was in conjunction with a
City Council approval to relocate Dale Avenue back into the platted right-of-way;
currently Dale Avenue sits on Lot 5A. The city engineer requested a 5-foot
easement for purposes of a buffer zone for future improvements such as sidewalks.
Council determined that it was not an appropriate time to install sidewalks. Staff
requested the use of a common driveway for the 9,000 square foot lot rather than 2
accesses and curb cuts.
Mitch Haas provided the history of the lots noting that there were 3 lots originally
with a slightly different configuration for this proposal. Haas mentioned that in the
R-6 zone currently 4 dwelling units could be placed on 2 lots but their proposal
was for 4 dwelling units on 3 lots, which they felt to be a more orderly
development pattern and better for the client. Haas stated that the client did not
want to give the 5-foot easement back tO the city because there Were not sidewalks
planned in this area and the neighborhood did not want sidewalks. Haas stated that
there was already a 40-foot right-of-way that they were using 21 feet of and did not
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feel that taking another 5 feet was necessary. Haas smd that they would probably
have to go to council over the 5-foot right-of-way issue but would like the P&Z to
recommend that it was not necessary; Haas noted that they were opposed to
condition #12 for the driveways access on Dale and opposed to the 5-foot right-of-
way easement.
Roger Haneman asked if the FAR dimensions were the same with 2 lots or 3 lots.
Lindt replied that there was an increase Of 2,000 square feet by going to 3 lots.
Hoefer asked what the allowable Was if it were just 2 lots. Lindt responded that
Lot 4A would be allowed 4,110 square feet and Lot 5A would be allowed 4,314
square feet for detached duplexesl Haas said that proposal was for 2 detached units
on the south lOt using the duplex FAR but the structure of the floor area would be
broken up into two smaller structures. Haneman asked the allowable FAR on the 3
lots. Lindt answered that the bottom lot was 4080square feet, the top lot was 3240
square feet and the middle lot was 3360 square feet.
Eric Cohen asked the rational for condition #12. Lindt reSPonded that for site
planning purpose the location of the driveway would be combined for the 2 units
on the southern most lot to reduce the pavement and curb cuts; it wasn't necessary.
Dale Avenue was preferable because it had less traffic than Park; the city engineer
has not reviewed the new plans for the 2 curb cuts. Hoefer asked if the Fire
Department reviewed the access points. Lindt replied that they had not. Joyce
Ohlson noted that good site planning was to minimize the amount of curb cuts.
Lindt stated that part of the pavement would be flush against the property line and
the street department was concerned about possibly damaging landscaping during
plowing of the street within the 5-foot right-of-way or any pavement from the
driveway therefore the city requested the 5-foot right-of-way easement.
Tygre asked for clarification on the bottom lot with the 2 units as to the front yard
on Park Avenue for one or both units. Hass answered that the way the code was
applied was that it would be for both units even though one unit would face Dale.
Haas said that the last site plan brought th~ driveway behind the buildings and
would not require a variance from the design review standards.
Public Comments:
Tom Marshall, public, stated that he lived across from the big lot. Marshall
provided the history from 1967 when he purchased his home in the Riverside
Addition, which was annexed into the city in 1962; it was platted but never
surveyed consequently the rights-of-ways were not in the correct roadways.
Marshall stated that 15 feet of the roadway in front of his property was actually on
his property; the city re-surveyed in 1974 and he lost 8 feet from his property and it
pushed him into the roadway. Marshall stated that the road has been that way
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since he has lived there; he said that sidewalks were not an issue for them because
this was supposed to be resolved with city council. Marshall stated that they did
not want any additional density in the area and would appreciate the commission
keeping the density that was there now.
Brian Speck, public, said that he grew up 3 houses down from Tom Marshall and
he agreed with Tom Marshall. Speck said that there were some problems with the
platting of this area. Speck said that he also spoke for his mother who lived on
Riverside.
Rodney Knudson, public, stated that he lived at 1212 East Hopkins. Knudson said
that they should leave the lots as they are and build what they are entitled to as of
right. Knudson stated that there were access problems in the area; Park was at a
higher topography with enough access onto Park. Knudson said that 2 more curb
cuts would exacerbate the problems because this infringed on the footbridge trail
with cars parked on the trail. Knudson said that Dale was a safer street.
MOTION: Roger Itaneman moved to extend the meeting to 7:15 p.m.
seconded by Eric Cohen. APPROVED 4-1
Jack Johnson asked how old lot lines compared to these new lot lines for the 3-lot
division. Haas replied that they were similar; he provided a 1957-plat map.
Jasmine Tygre said that personally she did not see any problem with the 3 lots
because the density and number of units would remain the same. Tygre shared the
concern for the extra curb cuts on Park Avenue because of the traffic congestion.
Tygre said that the redevelopment of the property was appropriate with the density
that was currently allowed with great access to the foot trail on East Hopkins and
public transportation. Tygre said that the easement was a reserve for future
possible necessities; she said that in general she was in favor of this proposal.
Ruth Kruger agreed with Jasmine. Roger Haneman agreed with everything and
said that the easement might be needed in the future, which would be impossible to
get back if given up at this time. Tygre asked if the easement would affect the
allowable FAR. Lindt replied that it would not count against the FAR. Haas stated
that it affected certain landscaping. Ohlson noted that the pavement would not
straddle the right-of-way equally but was flush against the front property line on
the southern most part of the property; the normal curb and gutter did not exist here
and that was the concern from the streets department for snow removal. Haas
stated the city made a decision to put the edge of pavement on the property line
and leave the south side of the road undeveloped. Lindt clarified that prior to the
right-of-way improvements agreement going to city council the applicant's
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attorney drafted the right-of-way ~mprovements agreement for council to review,
which included a 5-£oot wide easement. Haas disagreed strongly with Lindt.
MOTION: Ruth Kruger moved to approve Resolution #9, series 2003
recommending City Council approve the application to subdivide Lots
4A and 5A, of the Independence No. 2 Subdivision to create Lots 1, 2, and
3, of the Park Dale Subdivision, with the following conditions: (1). The
applicant shall record a subdivision plat and agreement that meets the requirements of Land
Use Code Section 26.480 within 180 days of approval. (2). The applicant shall grant to the
City of Aspen a five (5) foot wide general easement for future City approved improvements
and snow storage along the southern property line of Lot 3 pursuant to the terms that are
set forth in the approved right-of-way improvements agreement. The dedication of this
easement shall not affect the lot area for purposes of calculating allowable FAR, density, or
other dimensional requirements. Additionally, the required setbacks shall be calculated
from the property line. The applicant shall improve this easement with a compacted gravel
shoulder along Dale Avenue to provide roadside drainage and pavement protection. This
easement shall be dedicated on the final subdivision plat. (3). The applicant shah sign a
sidewalk, curb, and gutter agreement to install future City approved sidewalk, curb, and
gutter on the adjoining/surrounding right-of-ways prior to recording a subdivision
agreement and plat. (4). The applicant shall relocate the existing sewer line that runs
under the proposed Lot 3 along Dale Avenue back into the Dale Avenue Right-of-Way at
the applicant's expense prior to issuance of a building permit on Lot 3 of the subdivision.
The sewer line shall be relocated in a manner that allows for a ten (10) foot separation
distance to be maintained between the water and sewer lines. (5). The applicant shall
install a fire sprinkler system that meets the requirements of the Fire Marshal in any of the
proposed residences that exceed a gross floor area of 5.000 square feet. (6). The applicanl
shall comply with the City of Aspen Water System Standards, with Title 25, and with the
applicable standards of Title 8 (Water Conservation and Plumbing Advisory Code) of the
Aspen Municipal Code, as required by the City of Aspen Water Department. (7). The
applicant shall comply with the Aspen Consolidated Sanitation District's rules and
regulations. No clear water connections (roof, foundation, perimeter drains) to ACSD lines
shah be allowed. All improvements below grade shall require the use of a pumping station.
(8). The residences to be developed on the newly created lots shall meet the R-6 Zone
District's dimensional requirements and comply with the residential design standards or
obtain a variance therefrom. (9). The applicant shall pay a propor~ana, te amount of aH
applicable impact (Park Development Impact and School Land Ded~cation) fees prior to
issuance of a building permit for each residence within the subdivision. (10). The applicant
shah install an underground outlet and streetlight circuit from the transformer located
adjacent to Park Avenue and E. Hopkins Avenue when the overhead utility lines are placed
underground. (11). Vehicular access to the two (2) units to be constructed on Lot 3 shall be
from a common driveway that enters off of Dale Avenue. Seconded by Eric Cohen.
Roll call vote: Johnson, no; Haneman, yes; Cohen, yes; Kruger, yes;
Tygre, yes. APPROVED 4-1.
MOTION: Roger Haneman moved to extend the meeting to 7:30;
seconded by Eric Cohen. APPROVED 5-0.
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PUBLIC HEARING:
ST. REGIS PUD AMENDMENT, TIMESHARE, SCOTT WOOD]FORD
Jasmine Tygre opened the public hearing for the Stl R~egis pUD T1~e~hare
Amendment. Eric Cohen took over as chair of the meeting.
Scott Woodford said that the applicant was SLT Aspen Dean Street LLC an
affiliate of Starwood Hotels and Resorts, represented by Joe Wells and Gideon
Kaufman. Woodford explained the changes were in the ballroom level, which
would be for an expanded Spa (15,300 square feet) where currently a meeting
room and pre-function space, the business center, hotel sales and accounting
offices were located. Woodford utilized drawings to illustrate the changes. The
new hotel offices would be placed on the 2nd floor of building B, where the existing
Spa was located now, The conversion of 98 hotel rooms into 24 two and three
bedroom timeshare units was proposed with 1/11th fractional increments, some
biennial units.
Woodford said that in building C (Blue Spruce Building) there was a reduction of
the number o£un-built, yet approved hotel rooms on the 2nd and 3rd floors from 22
{o 20 rooms (16 hotel rooms and 4 one bedroom suites). The 22 units were part of
the original approval, but were never built.
Woodford said that the land use approval request included a PUD Amendment for
the conversiOn of the hotel to timeshare units and the reduction of the number of
hotel units in building C as Well as the ~i~eshar~i ~er~ ~ ~qu~s~ for ~owth
Management Quota System Exemptions for accessory uses in a mixed-use
development to remodel the hotel into timeshare and the Spa. There was a change
of Use request to convert hotel rooms into one residential unit (24 timeShare and 1
undivided condo unit). There was a request for subdivision approval for
condominimization.
Woodford said that the criteria were met for the PUD Amendments and
Subdivision. The timeshare financial tax process was still on going for
determination. Woodford said that the reduction of existing bedrooms went
against the timeshare ordinance but the overall number of bedrooms was slight and
sleeper sofas were used; staff did not take issue with that provision.
Woodford said that the employee mitigation set by Housing used food and
beverage numbers for the Spa, which came out to 14 new employees; there were
no numbers on what Spas generated in employees because of the level of
amenities. Housing suggested an audit of employees after one year.
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Ruth Kruger aSked where the whOle unit wa~ loCated and What the PurpOse of that
unit was. Kaufman replied the unit was located on the 6th floor and the code
allowed one unit exempt from GMQS.
Roger Haneman took issue with sleeper sofas being counted equal to a bedroom.
Kaufman responded that there was a difference of 8 beds without the sleeper sofas.
Dylan Johns asked for clarification on the remodeling of the existing ballrooms
and meeting rooms; he requested additional information regarding the historic
usage of those rooms. Kaufman stated that there would be three new areas to have
meetings in the ballroom and the rooms were used for conferences and for
community functions. Kaufman stated that they were updating the hotel for
today's market; currently there was a lot of under utilized space.
Jack Johnson asked how the Comedy Arts Festival would be affected by these
changes. Kaufman replied that the portion that would be lost for Comedy Arts
would be the part of the currently not completed building C but there Would be 20
extra hotel rooms and there would be the re-configured ballroom to accommodate
additional conference space.
Eric Cohen asked if there were any public comments. Kaufman noted that the
Florida people did not want to speak tonight. Kaufman voiced concern for the
timing of the approvals for this building season.
MOTION: Dylan John moved to extend the meeting another 15
minutes; seconded by Jasmine Tygre. APPROVED 5-1.
Cohen asked the total number of existing hotel rooms and what will the new
number of hotel rooms be. Kaufman replied there were 257existing; there will be
154 hotel rooms and 25 hotel suitesl
Kruger stated that the new rooms were finally being built, the Whiskey Rocks will
remain, there will be an audit process for the employee mitigation for the Spa; she
said that she could support this proposal.
Haneman said that based on cutting the regUlar hotel rooms, cutting the conference
space from 25,000 to 15,000 square feet and the economic devastation that this will
bring was second only to turning Aspen Mountain into a private club. Haneman
noted that the St. Regis conference business also brought people to the other
lodges; this hotel was sold to the Aspen voters because it would bring in
conference business and off-season business. This proposal would end this hotel's
conference business and make it a lUxury Spa, Haneman stated that the impact on
the town could not be afforded; he said he was strongly against the proposal.
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Kaufman stated that over 80% of the conferences would continue to be
accommodated with this change and the large conference ballroom Would ~emain
the same. Kanfman said that this was a pure economic situation; they took the
reality of what happened to the hotel, not what was first planned but what has
going on today. Kaufman said that there was a $30,000,000.00 remodel and to
keep the exact same number of room days with the 256 rooms versus the 179
rooms and the bonus the town gets all the extra room nights fi.om the fractional
ownership. Kaufman stated that statistics show that under the fractional ownership
people tend to occupy the unit more often; this will result in the maintaining the
entire vast majority of the conferences and it will bring to the town a lot more
room nights. Kaufman stressed that this was a win-win because the conference
rooms were retained with more people coming to town, which would create an
economic benefit. Haneman quoted fi.om the Residences Hobson Ferrarini report
(page 5) regarding occupancy in private residences clubs in ski areas that the
averages were 80% in the winter, 70% in the summer and 20% during the shoulder
seasons; he said that would be a 58% year round average occupancy for Aspen.
MOTION: Ruth Kruger moved to continue the public hearing for the
St. Regis PUD Amendment and Timeshare to April 15, 2003; seconded
by Jasmine Tygre. DENIED 3-3.
MOTION: Jack Johnson moved to continue the meeting until 8:00 pm;
seconded by Dylan Johns. DENIED 3-3.
Kaufman requested any issues that the commission wanted addressed at the next
meeting. Johnson wanted to review the original PUD application discussions.
Johns asked for additional study on how big the Spa needs to be and what was the
appropriate size conference space for more different kinds of conventions that were
possible at this conference facility. Cohen said that he was uncomfortable taking
the flagship hotel in a great resort town and further condominiumizing and
timesharing it.
MOTION: Ruth Kruger moved to continue the public hearing for the
St. Regis PUD Amendment and Timeshare to April 15, 2003; seconded
by Jasmine Tygre. APPROVED 6-0.
Adjourned at 8:00 p.m.
~ckie Lotl~i/a~, Deputy City Clerk
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