HomeMy WebLinkAboutcclc.min.09072005September 7, 2005
CCLC
Billl Dinsmoor, Stan Hajenga, Shae Singer, Terry Butler, Mark Godman,
Excused were Marc Breslin, John Starr, Don Sheeley
Bill inquired about the legality of the recycling ordinance and how the contracts will work. The City
Attorney confirmed that the ordinance is legal.
Terry asked how does this get measured when it will take three years for everyone to be on board?
Lee said it will be phased out and measured.
Terry said you can't measure the success unless everyone is on it.
Waste Management, Herman Aardsma said if you have an existing contracts some people will be
done in a year some in throe years. The city needs to look at how they envision what is happening in
their alleys. Trying to find the room is a key issue in this ordinance.
Rocky Mtn. Disposal, Dave Sanders said if the CCLC and businesses don't know what clean
recyclable materials are available you are not going to get a clear picture of how much trash is being
recycled. We are here to help recycling. From a cost standpoint all of the policing of the residents
and businesses is going to be on the trash hauler itself. Certain things will put the onerous on the
hauler to increase costs, such as grass etc.
Bill inquired about who would be doing the enforcement. Lee said we can discuss that with council
but Sarah Laverty has been hired to help.
Terry said she lives on the red onion alley and has been working with trash for 19 years. We worked
for 2 years on the compactor and were somewhat successful. It was successful in the Brand alley.
Noise is critical and the confusion that might arise, restaurants deliveries etc. needs to be looked at
with this ordinance. She has been begging for people not to deliver between 6:45 and 7:15. It would
mean so much if you could change the trash pickup time. Hotels and apartments are issues that need
to be included. I would be happy to ~vork out the fragile areas. I do see that we will have more
tracks in the alley. We need to work out the kinks. Steel on steel is an issue. We are about to see
something new in the city and we all need to be on the same team and help this work.
Waste Solutions, Walley said he can change the hours in her alley.
Waste management, Herman Aardsma, said he is the site manager for the Aspen area. Should trash
not be picked up until after 8:00 a.m., then the delivery trucks have to move. The delivery trucks sit
for 30 minutes in alleys.
Walley said the later the day the more congestion.
Terry suggested getting rid of the encroachment and go with a compactor in her alley. The owner of
her building has an encroachment.
Bill said the city has the ability to measure time and management.
Andrew Kole said single stream is a single container that takes in all recyclable items and gets
shipped to a new location and sorted. The cost is 5 or 6 million dollars. You would only have one
container.
Andrew asked how many people will go online immediately and how many each year thereafter.
Objective is to provide recycling because the landfill is running out of space.
Shae said in the long term single stream might be cheaper.
Mark said when the lids close they slam, possibly incorporate a heavy duty rubber.
Waste management, Scott Martinez, said they had rubber and then had to go back to metal due to
bears but it could be retrofitted with a rubber seal.
Terry said we need compactors in all the alleys and it has to be incorporated with the recycling.
Mandatory times should occur. Trash 8 to 9:00 a.m. Education is the second issue. How many
people go on line for the first and second year?
Shae said we as a city want recycling implemented. What is the best way and simplest way to do it.
It seems that single stream might be the least impact in the long term.
Shae asked the haulers what recycling would look like in their minds. Waste mtg. Single stream but
the cost is 5 million and the only single stream is in Denver. You would also need a transfer station
in the county.
Shae said if we are implementing mandatory recycling what is the most efficient and less impact on
everyone. The haulers said single stream and single hauler. If we have to pay why not take a step
back and look at the best scenario for the long run.
Scott Martines said it might be better to take out cardboard and recycle it in a different area.
Dave Saunders, Rocky Mtn. disposal said the ordinance needs to be mandatory on everyone to
work. There is not enough incentive to the businesses to get their employees to recycle.
Contaminated - what is the remedy? Herman said fight now it is the hauler who identifies
contamination and then the city reviews it. The expense would be forwarded to the customer.
Shae suggesting doing a staging with cardboard and paper first so everyone can get on board. Why
don't we have a county representative at our meetings? Pass parts of the ordinance in a staging
form.
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Jannette Murison said Shae's suggesting is good and they are going to meet with the haulers.
Recycling has to be mandatory on businesses and residences.
Walley said 45% of recycling is cardboard that goes to the landfill.
Dave Saunder said single stream is the best way to proceed. Consider passing a recycling tax to pay
for the "murl?' material recovery facility. We all need to study this to make sure we are doing the
right thing.
Dave said the haulers don't get any money back from recycling. Some cities do offer incentives.
Jannette said co-mingled and cardboard will be implemented first; co-mingled is plastic, aluminum,
steel and glass.
Lee said we anticipate a variety of sharing situations for cardboard and co-mingled throughout the
City.
Jannette said we ticket people who put their trash in someone else's dumpster.
Shae asked how it will be enforced when people know the combinations of the trash compactors.
Jeannette said perseverance and enforcement.
Shae suggested starting slowly and look into single stream and look at other counties that would be
interested in it.
Stan said we need an analysis. We need to look at the long tenn. The single stream seems to impact
all of us. Stan said he is totally in favor of staging and they do cardboard and newspaper. We are
still educating people on cardboard three months later.
Stan said we hear from the haulers that recycling compactors work. 60 lodges have the issue of
noise with trash. There is no day that goes by that a guest doesn't complain about trash noise.
Stan said this needs to be a comprehensive program. We need price numbers.
Jannette said Denver just got single stream. We chose to go forward with this ordinance because of
our valley and the location of the MURF etc.
Shae asked Environmental Health to contact the lodges, restaurant association and retail association
and the ACRA.
Jannette said she has contacted numerous entities including the ACRA. Shae said she feels the
message is not getting out. The haulers need to have input.
Shae said we need to look at moving forward with recycling but in a smaller manner. Haulers are
saying this is going to be difficult to carry through. They need new trucks and equipment.
Implement something that works for the community and haulers. If the final product is single stream
then the implementation or staging should lead to the final product.
Andrew suggested utilizing grassroots and the paper to educate the public.
Sum:
Community education
Cost per business
Stan asked if we can do something about noise to help get the recycling ordinance to go forward. It
seems that noise can be eliminated. Glass is the worst one.
Mark said we as a community ignore situations and we need education.
Meeting adjourned 10:30 a.m.
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