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HomeMy WebLinkAboutminutes.hpc.19931013Historic Preservation Committee Minutes of October 13, 1993 205 312 S. GALENA - PLANET HOLLYWOOD 232 E. HALLAM - AMENDMENT TO FINAL S. MILL - CHANIN'S RESTAURANT - AWNING . 2 5 5 HISTORIC PRESERV&TION COMMITTEE NINUTES OF OCTOBER 13, 1993 Meeting Vickery, present. was called to order by chairman Bill Poss with Jake Roger Moyer, Martha Madsen, Les Holst and Linda Smisek Excused were Joe Krabacher, Karen Day and Don Erdman. MOTION: Roger made the motion to approve the minutes of July 14th, August llth and August 25th, 1993; second by Les. All in favor, motion carries. COMMITTEE AND STAFF COMMENTS Roger: It is really important that we get something in the guidelines on how to care for historic buildings. Observing the Aspen Block we need to identify proper techniques and maintenance. Also masonry repair is lacking. Amy: The code does state you cannot let your building deteriorate but has no specifics. Roger: Regarding monitors, it is important that the applicant call Staff first who has the plans and then Staff will call the monitor. I have had people calling me and sometimes I can't answer everything. Possibly do an information sheet. Bill: When a project is approved give them a copy of the minutes and instructions as to whom to call etc. Have some information about the roles of monitor and Staff attached and the order when there are questions that need answered. Also include the telephone numbers. PUBLIC COMMENT Caroline McDonald: We live in the Log Cabin and are waiting for the Aspen Community Plan to kick in so that hopefully our zoning can be changed so we can do something different with our restaurant without loosing the use of the restaurant. With the proposed HOV lane and the sanding on Main Street we have a dirt problem. THe smoke alarm goes off in the Winter and stops about August. We have a retaining wall on the sidewalk and I am not sure it is on City easement or on our property. The code says you have to have a railing if it is over 36 inches and it is over 36 inches. Possibly if we could do some kind of stockade fence with wood on both sides for protection with lead sheeting inside. We are in a hole and when they redid the Elisha house they filled in and put a two foot retaining wall in and they are two feet higher than we are. There is a huge pine tree and we can't fill it without killing the tree. I would like the Board to comment on the proposal. Amy: I talked with Bill Drueding and Chuck Roth and generally we only allow stockade fences to the rear of the property but there might be another solution such as more trees and vegetation such as pines. Historic Preservation committee Minutes of October 13, 1993 Caroline: We planted some but it doesn't protect you from the noise and the dirt. We just formed a Main Street association to say we want to keep our parking on Main St. instead of using it as a freeway access in and out of town. Trying to live on Main Street with the PM10 and dirt is difficult. Les: Have you done any historic research on fences. Caroline: We are looking for an iron fence for around the Elisha house. Les: Does the Board have any ideas about the fence around the Log Cabin. Martha: I am trying to visualize what a stockade fence would look like. Roger: I feel it does not comply with the guidelines. Caroline: The pine tree is the prohibiting factor and if it was gone we could do something different. With the HOV lane and the dirt it will be incredible. Les: It is important that we maintain mixed use. Caroline: They are looking at 18 new buses and they cannot find the ones they want so you can imaging what they will end up with. Les: It is basically against our guidelines and it would be prudent to have a worksession. Possibly a combination of shrubery and fencing. STAFF COMMENTS Amy: The bid on the roof came to $180,000 and we only have $100,000 and we are holding off until the spring in order to apply for a grant. 312 S. GALENA - PLANET HOLLYWOOD Amy: The applicant has decided to put insulation painted black into the windows and keep the historic windows in place. So the only issue left is the awnings as all else was approved. They have provided photos of different awnings on their stores throughout the country. At this point I am opposed to the pink and green awning because they are not appropriate for the street corridor. This street has the most buildings on the national register. These awnings are too distracting and inappropriate to that building. ,~ ..... Historic Preservation Coma~ttee N~nutas o£ Oc2o~er 13~ ~995 Rod Dyer, architect for Planet Hollywood: The boards show historic buildings with stripped awnings which indicates they were approved. Amy: I have no doubt that historic buildings had stripped awnings on them and we do have them on the Wheeler. My feeling still stands that they were not pink and green striped awnings. Roger: The Wheeler is actually a brick and buff color and very subdued color and picks up the color of the sandstone in the building. I cannot believe those awnings were approved on historic buildings as it is against everything that we have been taught from the national historic preservation. Amy: How wide are the awnings? Rod: We are willing to work out an appropriate dimension. Les: I looked around town and the awnings that I saw are not obvious and the ones that you have shown us are quite obvious. Roger: If he used the three colors that are on the board which are earthtone colors that would be appropriate as a striped awning. If they have to use those colors I would recommend they use a green awning with pink lettering. Bill: Historically through the years a little decoration was added to enhance vitality and interest and now of days it has changed in Aspen. Times change and today we are trying to simplify the business. The uniformity of color helps tie things together. These colors tend to be more circus like. Linda: I in agreement with Bill that I think it would be very garish to put something like those awnings up on that building. You have great colors to work with and we are trying to have something in keeping with the historic building. You can work with the colors we have. Green and cream has always been a prevalent color in the histories as an awning color. Possibly use the pink as a binding color. Les: To me all of a sudden it is becoming a sign. Rod: It is corporate identity. Les: No one will have a problem finding this place. Bill: The building is wonderful and the awnings will detract from the building. Does corporate identity belong on the street. Historic Preservation Committee Minutes of October 13, 1993 Jake: I might be able to live with the striped awning if the stripes are relatively narrow, 4 inches and no writing on the awning. Amy: I like Linda's suggestion of green with pink lettering. Roger: Our job is to protect the historic structures as they are now and the argument of the past does not apply. Awnings should be simple in color and design. MOTION: Jake made the motion that HPC approve the awnings with the stipulation that the stripes be a maximum of 4 inches wide and that there be no lettering on the awning; Motion died for lack of a second. Roger: A thin stripe would be worse than a wide stripe, it would be like pin striped pants. The Wheeler's awnings are subdued. Bill: Awnings were used as a function for shading the south side of the street then everyone started using awnings and then awnings became signage. Roger: A good example would be McDonalds which is subtle. Bill: The cultural value is for the streets to be quieter and we want to see more of our buildings. MOTION: Roger made the motion that HPC not approve the awnings as submitted and that any awnings that are added to the building are as simple as possible in color and design in order to not take away the.hist°ric building; second by Les. All in favor, motion carries. Martha: I feel the motion is too general. Roger: We do not dictate color but the motion says not to compete with the historic building which means they will end up with one color of awning only with lettering. If they put up a pink awning that takes away from the building and Staff will be able to deal with that. Martha: My perception would be that the motion should state elimination of the pink. Amy: For clarification does simple mean solid in color? Roger: Yes and does not allow for piping or a contrasting skirt. A solid colored awning. Anything else will take away from the 4 Mistorlo Preservation Committee Minutes of Ootober 13, 1993 building. Jake: Would you approve a solid green awning with writing on it? Roger: Probably but I would defer to Amy on her thoughts. Amy: I am a little hesitant to deny any color and the green proposal would not be as eye catching. Bill: The Board would prefer a solid color. Martha: The presentation was well thought out. Bill: The building is a real attractive building. Roger: It will be a restaurant with movie memorabilia. 252 E. H]tLL/~M - ~ENDMENT TO FINAL Amy: Wayne Stryker who represents the Roberts family withdrew their application. 205 S. MILL - CHANIN'S RESTAURANT - AWNING Amy: This is an application for an installation of an awning over the landing at the entrance to the restaurant. I am recommending approval. Roger: This used to be Anguilla's restaurant and there never was an awning at that site. Is this a retractable awning? Jim Terry, Gibson & Reno Architects, representing the Aspen Restaurant Association: It will be a retractable awning and dark green in color with white lettering. We were trying to cover the entire stairway however, due to FAR and open space criteria we have downplayed it. We are now looking at something with a little more public safety and that will cover up the entry. Roger: Did you want to originally cover the stairway from the railing up like a hood? Jim Terry: Due to FAR and there is a current application for an addition on Mill Street Plaza (kids street). Bill: How far out does it come. Jim Terry: Three feet from the face of the building. We can't exceed that. Historic Preservation committee Minutes of October 13, 1993 Bill: Is there any proposed signage for the awning? Jim Terry: Currently all the awnings have a small writing on them and I assume the new owner will want to pursue that as well. Jake: Does the awning drip onto the stairs? Jim Terry: It will drip somewhat onto the stairs. We were trying to retain what was Gordons and the Harry Teague design. With historic preservation we were trying to keep the continuity of the restaurant. Les: Is there an existing airlock? Jim Terry: No, you come right into a vestibule. Bill: Jake has a very good comment about the shedding of water onto the stairs and in the winter those stairs are tricky because of the ice. MOTION: Les made the motion that the HPC approve the Minor Development application as submitted for 205 S. Mill Street; second by Roger. All in favor, motion carries. Jake will be the monitor. MOTION: Jake made the motion to adjourn; second by Les. Ail in favor, motion carries. Meeting adjourned at 7:00 p.m. Kathleen J. Strickland, Chief Deputy Clerk