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HomeMy WebLinkAboutminutes.hpc.19931110Historic Preservation Committee Minutes of November 10, 1993 520 521 E. COOPER - PIRANESI 1 300 W. MAIN - WORKSESSION 1 E. COOPER UNIT 406 - MINOR DEVELOPMENT 3 305 S. MILL - CHANIN'S ...... 5 HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMITTEE Minutes of November 10, 1993 Meeting was called to order by chairman Bill Poss, with Joe Krabacher, Donnelley Erdman, Karen Day, Martha Madsen and Jake Vickery present. Excused were Roger Moyer, Les Holst and Linda Smisek. MOTION: Donnelley made the motion to approve the minutes of October 13, October 25, and April 28, 1993; second by Jake. All in favor, motion carries. COMMITTEE MEMBER AND STAFF COMMENTS Amy: The city is requesting flower pots to be hung on the light poles next summer. Bill: I feel this is a CCLC issue. Amy: No problem Joe's house has been turned over to his children and is up for sale. I would like to schedule a site visit for any proposal for redevelopment. Jim Terry: I would like to be added to the agenda to discuss the awning at Chanin's 305 S. Mill Street. MOTION: Joe made the motion to add 305 S. Mill St. to the agenda; second by Martha. All in favor, motion carries. 521 E. COOPER - PIRANESI Amy: The applicant is requesting an approval for a retractable awning which will be 13'9" long and three or four feet deep to match the existing awnings on the building in color and design. Applicant: The awning will be shortened and just over the doorway. It will be about four feet long. MOTION: Joe made the motion that HPC approve the minor development application for 521 E. Cooper finding that it has met the standard set forth in the landuse code; second by Martha. All in favor, motion carries. 300 W. MAIN - WORKSESSION Amy: Carolyn's family's concern is that their house sits at a low grade on Main Street and there is a lot of dust settling there. They would like to come up for with a solution to improve the livability of their house. She had considered a fence along the existing retaining wall. Carolyn McDonald: We do have a retaining wall which is over 36 inches on that side which isn't up to code. It does go down two feet by the corner. We planted siberian pea shrubs and blue spruce Historic Preservation Committee Minutes of November 10, 1993 for a hedge between the Elisha property and our property but it is not enough to keep the dirt out. We would like to put a four foot fence on top of the existing retaining wall along Main Street that would actually kick the dust back. When the buses go through they send that suit all over. We also have a bus stop right in front of our house at the bottom of the hill. The smoke alarm goes off from January to August. We need something solid. We are hoping to get a wrought iron fence for in front of the Elisha house so that will be open. This is our only sun and the entrance we have is on the alley side. Possibly we could have an entrance on the front also that would go under the eaves. We need a fence and an new entrance. It would be another addition to the new addition not on the cabin. It would make it a more livable area. Donnelley: What is your setback requirement? Carolyn: It would be within our setback and there is room to do it. Under the Aspen Community Plan we are still waiting to be able to rezone that. If we don't get anywhere we may do a restaurant arts/crafts store. Sometimes we think of selling but a lot of the materials in the house have been brought from our previous house in California. We really want to work with this. There is concern that Main Street will turn into a freeway. Jake: It is a little difficult without a site plan and a drawing of the fence and where it is going. Carolyn: Since we have the bus stop everyone sits along the wall which makes the liability shaky when the kids walk on the wall. My son broke his arm falling of the retaining wall. Jake: So the proposed fence is four feet high. Donnelley: I feel the street has established a natural grade, the city decided to change the grade. Amy: I asked Bill Drueding what natural grade would be and he indicated that it would be the lawn which means they could only put on 3 feet already to the three feet they have. Donnelley: We could argue that the city changed the grade not the landowners. Carolyn: We could never fill it in because it would kill the tree that is there. Joe: The problems with Main Street are becoming more evident from mixed residential commercial zone district to a much more commercial zone district. The obligation of the HPC is to help 2 Historic Preservation committee Minutes of November 10, 1993 protect Main Street and protect the structures that are in that district. One of the way to help protect them is by encouraging residential uses. There is a precedent for high hedges and privacy fences along Main Street. With adequate landscaping it can be handled even though the norm would be to have it open. Carolyn is asking for four feet as opposed to six feet. I also would like to see a plan and I feel Main Street will continue to be a problem. Main Street has been sacrificed for the benefit of the commercial core and for the rest of the businesses in town by turning it into an HOV lane and that will continue as Aspen continues to have traffic problems. It is a loss seeing it go this way. I would like to see the city try and do something for Main Street. In general I do not have a problem being that it is the addition to the landmark structure which is the log cabin. Donnelley: Is the retaining wall on City property or yours. Carolyn: It is on city property but if someone wanted sue they would sue us. Donnelley: You would be asking to build a four foot fence on city property and would need an encroachment. Jake: You could ask the city to handle the problem which is caused by the buses. Carolyn: We would like Main Street to turn into what the Council wants the super block to turn into,. let it be more of a community viaduct instead of going all the way into the other side of town and park. Karen: I get that dust from Ruby Park every year also, all the way to the back of the house. Bill: The Board is willing to look at an application but breaking it up with a planter or something to make it an urban experience might be appropriate. Carolyn: We wanted to bring the irrigation ditch which goes down Third to tap into it so we could have it on the median in order to plant things along Main Street and put trees in. It got hung up in Engineering because we have to get the Copper Horse's OK and the City is suing them because they are supposed to have 45 employees living there so they have not responded. 520 E. COOPER UNIT 406 - MINOR DEVELOPMENT Karen stepped down Historic Preservation committee Minutes of November 10, 1993 Amy: The applicant was issued a red tag by the Zoning Department for undertaking a skylight without a permit. There is a hole in the ceiling which is temporarily covered. They had a small skylight in place and decided to build another. The one they are working on is four feet high and 8 across and they are requesting for halogen uprights to shine up to the skylight. I have recommended denial as proposed. Don Westerlind, representing applicant: The owners firm did the work out of Louisiana and when they got caught over the weekend they hired me to proceed. He has built the plastic box and it is stable. It has a fascia of one by twelve and windows. It is a clear story not a skylight. It is flat roofed. The previous one extended about a foot above the roof but was two foot square. Bill: If it is a clear story it is no different than a window because there are lights on windows. Is there a way to screen the lights. Amy: I looked at this in terms of roof top equipment. It is extremely large and Don Westerlind indicated that another neighbor wants the same thing especially if lights are shining out the side of it. Bill: Possibly have the light shine down to give a better ambiance. Don Westerlind: It is three sides of glass. Karen: The rooms are very dark and there are seven foot ceilings. Bill: Possibly as a compromise have some screening on the windows. Don Westerlind: glass in. We can modify the light and can put dark tinted Joe: This is not an historic building. Don Westerlind: They can paint it the color of the building so it is not visible. Jake: In order to evaluate this we need a photograph of the building and an elevation which indicates the skylight. Bill: Could we do that through a monitor and Staff. Amy: I had trouble reading the plans also. Joe: My feeling is being that it is on the third floor I would Historic Preservation committee Minutes of November 10, 1993 like to see what the difference between three feet vs 4 feet high and what the effect would be. The issues that are critical are lighting and painting it out so it is not so visible. Bill: I feel comfortable with Staff and monitor site visiting and making the decisions. Jake: I can't make the decision as there is not enough information here. Martha: I also agree with Jake that the information of placement in relationship on the roof etc. has not been provided. Donnelley: How high is the parapet on the roof of the building vs. the four foot skylight. Don Westerlind: It should be a 30 inch parapet. Martha: I have a concern with the'halogen lights as it is a lot of lost energy. Donnelley: lighting. Actually they put out less energy for the amount of MOTION: Joe made the motion that HPC approve the minor development application for 520 E. Cooper Unit 406 with the following conditions: 1) A monitor from HPC be appointed to work with Staff in addressing these issues; 1) lighting, painting or coloring out, height of the clear story in relationship to the parapet wall, tinted glass or shaded; second by Donnelley. All in favor, motion carries. Martha is the monitor. 305 S. MILL - CHANIN~S Jim Terry, Gibson Reno Architects: This is an amendment to minor development. There are numerous awning in the plaza that do have this new shape. Jake: What is the purpose of the awning? Jim: To get the snow off the entry vestibule that was there as an entry. the restaurant at this point. as they have taken out the They are walking right into Jake: You are proposing that it rise to the point of the roof. Jim: We are trying to match the existing which are at a 45% angle. Historic Preservation Committee Minutes of November 10, 1993 Bill: The other awnings pertain to the shapes of the storefronts that are there. This restaurant addition was added as a more sculptural effect of this building. It is more industrial and so are the stairs. An awning with an exposed frame would look better. Trying to relate to the awning on the rest of the building would not be appropriate. Possible a steel gray awning one stretch of a piece would be more appropriate. Jake: That awning will only provide a little protection. Jim: Initially we had tried to design a canvas to completely cover the entire stair. That presented problems from an FAR issue. There is no additional FAR because the Mill Street kids is doing an expansion. We are now trying to get as much three foot covering through an awning as we can. Bill: Since they have eliminated the airlock inside this committee frowns on any plastic airlock outside of the building. Jim: I will advise the client of that concern. Jake: I would like to see the awning as flat as it can be. It would be good to not have sides on the awning but have the exposed metal or aluminum. It will also have to be retractable. Martha: I am inclined to approve an awning open specific over the doorway. Jim: We could reduce the height and width if that is more pleasing to the committee. Karen: You need a more industrial awning to match the addition. Jim: If this is going to be denied I would prefer to go back to the client to advise him to keep the original awning that was proposed and approved. Donnelley: Numerous members would like to see the original awning that was approved built. The option would be a minimal and flat rigid covering that would be a horizontal element that just covers the opening and is bracketed off which would express how it is held up. MOTION: Joe made the motion that HPC table the application to allow a restudy of the proposed canvas awning on the Mill Street Plaza; second by Donnelley. All in favor, motion carries. MOTION: Joe made the motion to cancel the December 22nd meeting; Historic Preservation committee Minutes of November 10, 1993 second by Jake. Ail in favor, motion carries. MOTION: Jake made the motion to adjourn; second by Bill. favor, motion carries. Ail in Meeting adjourned at 6:30 p.m. Kathleen J. Strickland, Chief Deputy Clerk