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HomeMy WebLinkAboutminutes.hpc.19931208Historic Preservation committee Minutes of December 8, 199f$ 409 E. HOPKINS - AMENDMENT TO CONCEPTUAL 1 309 E. HOPKINS - (KATIE REID BUILDING) EXTERIOR LIGHTING 4 PLANET HOLLYWOOD - 312 S. GALENA 6 801 E. HYMAN - EXTENSION OF VESTED RIGHTS · 6 8 HISTORIC PRESERVATION COIO~ITTEE Minutes of Dec~m.ber 8t 1993 Meeting was called to order by Donnelley Erdman with Les Holst, Jake Vickery, Karen Day, Martha Madsen and Linda Smisek present. Excused were Bill Poss, Joe Krabacher and Roger Moyer. MOTION: Les made the motion to approve the minutes of November 10, 1993; second by Linda. All in favor, motion carries. Amy: City Shop has been removed from the agenda and added is Planet Hollywood and 801 E. Hyman. MOTION~ Don made the motion to remove the City Shop from the agenda and add Planet Hollywood and 801 E. Hyman. Also commissioner comments are to be added to the end of the agenda; second by Martha. All in favor, motion carries. 409 E. HOPKINS - ~,~.END~ENT TO CONCEPTUAL Donnelley opened the public hearing. Amy: Conceptual was given in 1990 and the approval has been extended several times. They would like to make an amendment which involves altering the court yard which is what they are required to have in the open space requirements. David Rybeck, Poss and Associates: This proposed building sits between two historic buildings, the Brand and old Collins Block building. Our originally approved building was an infill structure that goes from the existing old Alpine Bank Building through to the Smuggler building. The original approach was to try and break up the massing of this one large block and we gained approval to do that. We do have an interior courtyard on the second level but no one can tell it is there. It became a concern of the possible tenants that there may be some economic problems on trying to rent the space on the second level. The only access to that space from the street was from a side entrance. We feel we have come up with a revised proposal. We have created the alley courtyard to draw people into the building. That is what we would like to do on our upper level. Break the facade on the second floor and put a stair in the center of the building so the courtyard space can be accessed. That will make the tenant spaces more viable and give life along the street. Martha: What is proposed for the second floor? David: It would be commercial, possibly offices and possible retail. There is no residential presently on site. We plan on maintaining the five bays within this building and it helps relate to the Brand Bldg. which is divided by one large block into several vertical elements. We want to create a unifying element which is a steel trellis work that runs the length of the building horizontally. Each bay will start to step back so that our Historic Preservation Committee Minutes of December $, 1994 building will not compete with the historic buildings. We will maintain some street presence with some brick piers and allow the store fronts to recess. Les: One of the problems I have when we discussed the original plans the reason we ended up with the courtyard was because Harley's condo wouldn't loose their visual dimension going down the street. Has Harley seen any of these plans? David: He is aware of this and the public notice has been up. He has had no comment to us. The real restriction to his view is the Collins alley building. Donnelley: You might explain basically the same as it was entrance up. the changes because the facade is with the exception of moving the David: The fifth store front has been removed with the stairway and two small display windows on each side. Upstairs we went from the two rectilinear bays. Les: On the west elevation is there any chance to put a window in? David: Not by fire code, we can't put a window on the property line. Their view is partially blocked by the parapet of the alley building anyway. Les: You need something to break up the monotony. David: Possibly implement a brick pattern. Karen: What if you did painted windows. David: We can look at that. Les: Have you addressed staff's concern of the design elements. Amy: On the archway I would like to see it heavier. David: If we emphasize the horizontal line too much it would get back to the reinforced block and then the size of the building would compete with the historical buildings adjacent. We left the horizontal line only at the street level. Jake: My first comment has to do with the symmetry of the building which creates this long statement and a break in the middle with steel pieces. I see this heavy expression of columns. David: As far as being too similar to the Brand Bldg. I think the Historic Preservation com~ttee Minutes of December 8v 1994 rendering of being flat may be misleading. The two elements relate to the pilasters that are on the Brand Bldg. but the way the building is going to fall back will create a three dimensional break. Donnelley: The steel detailing above is integrated into the masonry and then in the center of the portion and becomes a free standing element. Karen: What material will the window frames be? David: At this point we are anticipating the upper level to be double hung clad which is the historic norm and the lower level we haven't developed yet. We are considering steel windows and wood. Donnelley: So the steel element is almost like a logo or identifying element of the building. Jake: Would there be a way to make the entry a little lighter and not so heavy? Donnelley: Ail of the changes have been positive and not detracting. The Board is concerned how it reads in reality and it is a big plane, three feet plus high. Possibly incorporating a perforated frame. The overall solution is vastly improved as you don't have the stair pockets that are very unattractive. You have a public entrance. The only reservation that I have is the absolute resolution of the spanning of this element that could stand a little more study. Perhaps some transparency. I feel some study of the large element is warranted. Amy: Also we wouldn't want to see through to the safety hand rail. Jake: The more complicated and heavier and dramatic this element gets, it becomes competitive with the historic buildings. Maybe it needs to be mellowed out as a statement. Karen: I would be in favor of keeping the steel structure over the door and to me this is like the Glidden house. You make an addition to it and the addition is very far away from the victorian and extremely contemporary in comparison to the original structure. To me that is what we have right here. I feel we need to see more whimsy and curious treatments of our architecture then we have around town right now. Donnelley closed the public hearing. MOTIONs Les made the motion to approve the amendment to conceptual Historic Preservation Committee Hinutes of December 8, ~994 development of 409 E. Hopkins Ave. with the following conditions: 1) The west wall where visible from the adjoining condominiums be restudied to see if the masonry detailing could be supplied that would be more interesting. Hopefully this would be done in conjunction with Harley Baldwin. 2) A possible restudy of the metal arch to be presented at final; second by Martha. Les: I like the arch and possibly just a restudy to soften it up. Donnelley: held up? Are those two directions adequate for you not to be David: Yes, and our reason to make it solid is that the awning on the Collins Block building is a very strong element and it is a heavy solid piece along that side and that is where some of the solidity came to us. Not to replicate it but to reinforce it as one more unique piece. It is a solid piece that runs along a two sided building. If we break it up I am concerned that we loose that translation. There is a break but it is difficult to see. MOTION~ Les made the motion to delete the restudy of the arch after clarification of drawings; second by Martha. Ail in favor, motion carries. MOTION~ Les made the motion that the application meets all of the development review standards 1, 2, 3 and four; second by Martha. Question was called by chairman: Carried 4 -2. Opposed Jake and Martha. In favor: Don, Les, Karen and Linda. Motion passes. Amy: On the alley elevation where are you putting utilities and trash? David: Trash and utilities are in that area. We have a setback with a transformer in one corner and the trash located beside that and will enable one parking spot. 20 foot area is 309 B. HOPKINS - (I~TIE REID BUILDING) EXTERIOR LIGHTING AMY: Applicant was informed about the meeting and is not present. Donnelley: drawing. I feel this is difficult to deal with a long sketchy Les: We had an onsite meeting and they had drilled a hole right through the wall and put the worst fixture up and broke a big chunk out of the brick. People just do not understand that you cannot do that stuff on historic buildings. It is important that they repair the brick and do it right. 4 Historic Preserv&t~on ~O-l~ittee ~nutes of December 8, L994 Donnelley: We should determine if Staff and Monitor can remedy the situation in terms of finding the appropriate type of lighting. Amy: I feel that is the intention. Donnelley: Amy's first recommendation was to fix the repair and the Board agrees with that. Recommendation #2 is to pick a light fixture that is more appropriate. Karen: The last time I tried to put a porch fixture on a victorian house I frankly could not come up with anything that I felt looked good. Donnelley: This is such a small building it will be difficult to find lighting to the proper scale. Les: This is a national registered building and they need lighting on the stairs and the provisions are not there. There is nothing historically that you could put out there. Donnelley: What about hidden sources. Amy: The renter owns a gift shop. Donnelley: This is such a small building and it will be difficult to find lighting to scale. It should approached from a hidden source. Amy: The applicant claims the wiring should have been done previously with hidden source lighting. Les: You could go into the drywall but the problem is that this is a tenant finish. I would rather see them drill through and come up through the stairs and do hidden lights. The lighting should have been looked at earlier. Donnelley: The developer was obliged to Provide lighting before now that was appropriate to the building. This needs to be looked at carefully as it is a key building on the corner. Amy: Spotlights are in the flower beds now. They have a problem now as the stairs are dark and they are concerned. Les: I would like to give them some short term relief on the stairs so that it is safe and in 30 days they have to have a permanent solution. Jake: There is really inadequate information here. We would Hisko~ic Prese~vation Committee ~inutes of December 8, ~994 approve an interim lighting plan subject to the supervision of the monitor and a permanent final lighting plan should be due in 30 days or 60 days. Donnelley: They are trying to find some low level lighting for the exterior. MOTION: Jake made the motion to approve the lighting scheme presented with the following conditions 1) that it be considered an interim scheme. 2) that the applicant work with the monitor and get appropriate light fixtures for a permanent installation; second by Les. All in favor, motion carries. Discussion on motion. Les: It is really historically relevant to have an outside light, something unobtrusive. Donnelley: Les, can you help with finding an appropriate light. PLANET HOLLYWOOD - 312 S. GALENa Amy: Planet Hollywood has resubmitted their awning and are trying to get approval. In previous awning approvals the shop owners or lessees get together a pick a color and shape of an awning and come to an agreement so that one building has the same awning. On this building we have two competing awnings. That is why I said one color with different colored letters. I thought the pink awning with green letters was the most complementary. Jake: I feel green with pink would be better. Rod: The green with pink is their colors. Martha: A darker green would be more appropriate. Amy: There is also a sign proposed for the alley side red with gold leaf. It is around 36 inches high and 61 long. Les: Saving the windows was a good idea. MOTION: Donnelley made the motion that all three awnings be pink with green lettering; second by Les. Question was called by the chairman; carried 4-2. In favor, Don, Les, Karen and Martha. Opposed, Jake and Linda. 801 E. HYMAN - EXTENSION OF VESTED RIGHTS Amy: This was John Elmore's house. You tried to save the garage N~storic Preservation Com~ittee M~nutes of December 8~ 1994 and finally approved demolition. This was in 1991 and their vested rights is about to expire. Nothing else has changed. Vested rights is for three years. Donnelley: could we do a year at a time. Amy: They will be coming back with slight amendments to the building. At the time you were thinking porches were exempted from FAR and that is not the case. Donnelley: Could we deny the extension. Amy: I am trying to find a spot for the garage. I asked if it could be taken apart and I was told the wood was too dry. Amy: The applicant read the code as sub-grades are exempt from FAR and Bill Drueding doesn't read it that way. They will have to get an interpretation from the Planning Director. I feel they will get their OK because the code was written so poorly. The code says spaces which are below grade and it doesn't say how low. Jake: Porches on grade are excluded. Amy: No, Roxanne had tried to do that but it didn't work. MOTIONs Martha made the motion to extend the vested rights for 801 E. Hyman; second by Linda. All in favor, motion carried. COHMZSSIONER COI,~.ENTB Amy: We did not get the grant from the State Historical Fund for work on city Hall including the roof and we will resubmit in the spring. As of right now they will not be redoing the roof. Amy: Also in order to apply for a CLG three members have to be design professionals. MOTION: Les made the motion to adjourn; second by Martha. favor, motion carries. Meeting adjourned at 7:15 Ail in Kathleen J. Strickland, Chief Deputy Clerk