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HomeMy WebLinkAboutminutes.hpc.19930428Historic Preservation Committee Minutes oE april 28, x993 411 E. MAIN - CANTINA RESTAURANT 205 N. MILL STREET - CACHE CACHE 513 W. BLEEKER - BAILEY 1 2 2 HIHTORIC PRESERVATION COHIilTTEE Minutes of &pr~l 28, ~993 Meeting was called to order by Les Holst with Jake Vickery, Roger Moyer, Karen Day and Linda Smisek present. Excused were Bill Poss, Joe Krabacher, Donnelley Erdman and Martha Madsen. COMI(ZTTEE AHD STAFF COMMENTS Kim Johnson: I talked to Heidi Hoffman regarding the mechanical on the roof and she said she would be willing to come in and discuss the issue at a regular or worksession. Roger: Why were the old windows removed from the Katie Reid house? Roxanne Eflin, Planner: removal of the windows. The HPC reviewed that and approved the Harry Teague's office: We would like to do some exterior landscape lighting from the ground onto the Sardy house and input from the HPC would be appreciated. We want to make sure we get the right color for the building. There will only be two lights. We will be working outside trying different lights out for two weeks. 4~ E. MAIN - CANTINA RESTAURANT Kim Johnson, Planner: The trellis ordinance was passed by council. The Cantina is proposing a trellis and Staff feels it meets the functional criteria established in the ordinance. It is open and the applicant will handle snow accumulation which is something that council was concerned with. Kim Weil, Poss & Associates: It is approximately 60% open. It coverers 785 square feet and around 500 of that is open space. There are 4 x 10 major beans and then slips to a 4 x 6 and then a 2 x 2 in a lattice layer. It breaks down each layer as it goes up similar to what is inside at the bar. It will be finished in a natural wood to match the door. It will enhance the dining and make the space appear to be something in the winter rather than a snow dump. It will finish off the building. Linda: What kind of plants are proposed? Kim: Something similar to what is around the windows of the Cantina. MOTION~ Roger made the motion that the HPC approve the minor development for 411 E. Main Chitwood Plaza Building, Cantina Restaurant as per the sketches submitted in today's application with the understanding that there will be at least 50% open space; second by Linda. All in favor, motion carries. Jake: Did you discuss putting the 4 x 6's farther apart? Historic Preservation Committee Minutes of April ZS, i993 Kim: Once they started getting further apart it looked to wide so we pulled them back in. 205 N. HILL STREET - CACHE CACHE Kim: This is a proposal to add 246 sq. ft. of an enclosed area under an existing walkway. A below grade patio at the Mill Street building. I feel there are no impacts to the historic building because it is below grade. Staff recommends approval of the addition. Sunny Vann: I am representing the Mill Street Plaza Associates which is the owner of the building and Philipe Melichee who is the owner of Cache Cache restaurant. As the restaurant has become more successful it expanded into more rental space. The purpose of this application is to consolidate what is now two separate diningrooms to improve the operations but its appearance and functions as well. They also have a need for interior storage area for produce and dry goods as well as a large office to operate from. We are reqq~esting an exemption from growth management to permit this modest expansion. Basically we are exchanging the additional net leasable square footage for the storage area which is included in the building. The project encompasses portions of the existing walkway on the terrace level of the building. That walkway services only this particular restaurant and will have no reverse effect from any other tenant. We are moving the existing facade outward. Roger: In case of tenant change could part of the approval be that it is reversible and that should be removed before the next tenant. Kim: I would say that it wouldn't have to be part of this approval because the assumption is that whatever the footprint is it has to remain as is. Sunny Vann: I would not want that as a condition of approval. Sunny: We enclosed an open alcove and expanded and cut a couple of corners off. Karen: It mentions heat mirror glass, would you explain that. Sunny: It has a very high R value and essentially triple glazing and effective doubles the insulating value of glass. MOTION: Roger made the motion that the HPC grant minor development approval for CaChe Cache Restaurant, Mill Street Plaza with drawings as submitted on this date; second by Les. Ail in favor, motion carries. 2 Historic Preservation Committee Minutes of &pril 25, 1993 $13 N. BLEEKER - BAILEY Klm: If you read the memo I was hesitant to recommend approval of this and my recommendation was to restudy and table the item. I feel the style of the chimney is too radical for the style of the house. Michael Ernemann representing applicant: The existing chimney is way out of proportion with the size of the house and it is probably the largest in the city. The foundation within the chimney is within scale. The manner in which the chimney was constructed is deteriorating. The chimney sits over a fireplace which is open from two sides. The chimney is not working and it is not historically appropriate. Directly behind the chimney is a shiny gas flu for the modern furnace. The owner would like to change the fireplace as it doesn't work and it is falling down and he wants to do a gas structure. He would like to move it. If we do that there is no way to support a masonry mass coming up the building. Going to a metal chimney which would take both of the exhausts and combining them into one thing would reduce the scale. In-so-far as to the appearance I did research on chimneys from 1884 and 1885 and I would say Charles Tiffany was a good victorian designerJ We feel the chimney chosen done in copper, aged darker is appropriate and that it is not trying to be victorian and not repeating what was there. I emphasize that we can modify the form if that is the wish of the HPC. The choice was not done whimsically and we did careful thought and research. The proportions that came out of brick masses were quite small 24 by 17. Directly next door there is a cylindrical flue that is polished stainless steel that sticks five or six feet out of the roof. There is another one in the same location that has been painted out. Michael: Matthew Scholl is working on the project also and is here to answer questions. Amy: Is the size of the roof opening going to be the same. Michael: It will be a third smaller and we will use the same roofing material. Amy: I would also say that victorian chimneyswere made smaller out of necessity and feel the copper materials causes attention to the chimney. Les: Are you changing the location of the chimney? Michael: Two feet over. It doesn't draw right now. H~stor~c Preserv&t~on Committee Hinutes of ~pr~l 28, L993 Roger: The chimney that was on the house in the 60's was a small brick chimney, standard size. Had the chimney had a metal flashing and a metal cap you wouldn't have the moisture deterioration. As far as putting a brick chimney back up there is no problem providing that they brick the cap down. Michael Ernemann: The step flashing that goes out of the shingled roof up into the chimney has been damaged by snow shoveling or snow and ice sliding. We have water filtration. Roger: If you acid wash the copper you will get a green color. Roger: You gave a good presentation on your point and design choice. Karen: You deserve credit on your presentation and what you are trying to do. I agree with Roger that in some places we like to see a totally different departure in architecture but somehow since this house is so large and the chimney is a small part of it in comparison it is my feeling that only a chimney that is victorian in design would fit the guidelines which are "not detract from the main house". Presently it is too great of an attraction. Jake: I feel chimney caps are becoming somewhat of a signature piece. I like to see something relative or specific to the house. In that way you are making a comment specific to the house. Linda: I also feel I would like to see a chimney more in keeping with the period with the traditional house. A small brick structure that would not detract from the tradition of this house. It seems like this is an unusual piece to put on. Les: It is a good presentation and actually what I feel between eastern victorian and western victorian you have created another area of conflict in this house. If there had not been eastern victorian on this house then it might be a new component. I am comfortable with moving it and bringing in a brick chimney. I am a little uncomfortable with the copper as we see it and this design. Michael Ernemann: There are so many examples of a square chimney that go into a cylinder form. The problem is if we go to a masonry chimney we have to support it all the way through to the basement. That is one of the reasons the owner is willing to get rid of the masonry need and will accept a gas log fireplace. They get rid of pollution. If we have to support masonry we have to trace that load 30 feet to the ground and with the workings of the house that would go right through a bathroom and right through the middle of Historic Preservation Committee Minutes of &pti1 ZS, 1993 the livingroom. Les: I do not feel the board will ask for masonry. To me that was one option. I am comfortable with the metal chimney and replication from Leadville. Jake: What about a small amount of masonry above the roof supported on steel framing. In the old days they would have a little platform and the masonry was built on that. Michael Ernemann: The complexity of this is when we come out of the roof with something that is light in weight there will be the tendency to have it moved by snow sliding down the roof. Therefore on the backside, upslope side of the chimney we would have to build a cricket and it becomes part of the whole situation. Les: No one would have a problem with that and we are looking for exciting architecture in the future. MOTION: Roger made the motion that the HPC table the application until the next meeting May 12th to allow the applicant time to restudy; second by Karen. Ail in favor, motion carries. Jake: I am willing to pass this onto the monitor and Staff. Amy: I personally would rather see veneer brick with a flue going through it. Michael Ernemann: It is either real brick or no brick. I will not put fake stuff up. Les: Metal is fine, replication is fine and copying Leadville is fine and a little creativity is acceptable as long as it suits the scale and massing of the house. Michael Ernemann: If we can come up with something that is all metal that would be acceptable to the Board. Also that the chimney tops are not acceptable. That copper is not appropriate and we should use a metal that will patina out. MOTION: Roger made the motion to adjourn; second by Les. Ail in favor, motion carries. Meeting adjourned at 7:00 p.m.