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HomeMy WebLinkAboutminutes.hpc.19930811Historic Preservation COmmittee Minutes of August 11, 1993 935 E. HYMAN U.S.L.M. UTE #4 130 S. GALENA - CITY HALL - MINOR DEVELOPMENT . 132 WEST MAIN - FINAL DEVELOPMENT 121 S. GALENA -THE MARKET - MINOR DEVELOPMENT 415 E. MAN - MINOR DEVELOPMENT - FARFALLA 1 1 2 5 7 HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMITTEE Minutes of August 11, 1993 Meeting was called to order by chairman Bill Poss with Donnelley Erdman, Jake Vickery, Les Holst, Roger Moyer, Karen Day, Linda Smisek and Martha Madsen present. Excused was Joe Krabacher. COMMISSIONER AND STAFF COMMENTS Amy: 500 W. Bleeker has maintenance problems, Sue Hall's house. The new owner is anticipating removing the historic glass and putting in something more efficient. Casey Clark is Sue Hall's son, new owner. Roger: I strongly disagree on the hardship issue and we need to see what they are replacing them with. Bill: Single glaze glass is between zero and one in an R value. Insulated wall has an R value of 19. We need to see what they are doing. Jake: There are numerous ways to restore frames etc. and insulate on the inside without destroying the historic windows. Karen: I have had comments regarding the duck in the mall. Les: I also find it strange but it relates to people doing real things and for a good cause. Roger: There are numerous businessmen out there selling ducks. Kathy: Administration signed off on that permit. Roger: We need to discuss doing a pamphlet on restoration of old buildings, proper sanding, stripping and fillers. Also the proper primer and finishing paint. 935 E. HYMAN U.S.L.M. UTE #4 Chairman Bill Poss reopened the public hearing. Amy: The applicant is not ready to show the Board the proposed footprint of the building. They are requesting to be on the August 25th agenda. Staff has no problem with this. Lennie Oates, attorney: I am here to report that we are not ready and need this item tabled. MOTIONs Don made the motion to continue the public hearing on 935 E. Hyman until August 25, 1993; second by Roger. Ail in favor, motion carries. 130 S. GALENA - CITY HALL - MINOR DEVELOPMENT Historic Preservation COmmittee Minutes of August 11, 1993 Amy: This application is to replace the existing roof on City Hall which was installed sometime after 1970 and is in poor condition. Cris is proposing two different kinds of metal roofing. Cris Caruso, City of Aspen Asset Manager: Last year funding was allocated for this year to replace the roof. We have $100,000 to do the entire project. We thought about a shake shingle and metal roofing. We felt the metal roofing system would be better for reasons of durability and the structure itself is having problems. A shake shingle will tend to hold more snow than a metal roofing system even though by code it doesn't say that. Bill: We need to stay with what was approved. The Board would like to see a better quality product on the historic building since it will be there for numerous years. The research can proceed of pricing for the metal roof as was proposed before. Les: Remember with re-structure it could take the shakes that were on the building originally. Cris: I am not sure of the difference in expense. Bill: I feel the cost is about the same. Cris: With metal roof you have less maintenance. Les: It is a national registered building and we could loose designation of the building. Bill: A quality metal roof would cost more than shingles. Les: A shingle roof life is 15 years basically. I am personally getting to where I do not like the standing seam roof anymore. Roger: You can call up roofers yourself and get different bids. Bill: Come back with your final estimates. WEST MAIN - FINAL DEVELOPMENT Amy: Conceptual approval was given in back for final at this time. There are presentation, footprint and windows. 1989 and they are coming not many changes in this Kevin McLeod & Dennis Green represented the applicant Lily Ko: We eliminated the light wells on the east side of the building, the grade comes to the edge and there is a larger light well between the new building and the Asia restaurant. The HPC requested that Historic Preservation COmmittee Minutes of August 11, 1993 we study the handicapped access and we looked at it from the rear of the building but it doesn't work because the parking is so tight. A wheel chair couldn't get through the required parking. If we made it at the back we would loose a parking space. Also most people coming in a wheel chair would come from the Main Street side so we left the ramp in the front of the building. We are looking at a cedar shingled roof, wood bevelled siding, clad windows. The columns around the porch will be a turned column approximately six inches in diameter. Wood decking across the front. CLARIFICATIONS Bill: In reviewing the drawings and model what is the roof pitch you are proposing and the historic roof pitch of the structure. The model demonstrates that they are different. We have a ten and twelve on the main portion of the roof and to get the proper height on this it went to an eleven twelve. Bill: Are you at the maximum height. Kevin: Yes, and the historic is twelve and twelve. Don: The total depth seems to be about 14 inches and this is something we are trying to get away from. This changes the entire scale of the building and adds a very heavy eave detail and also it becomes heavy on the gable end eaves. In looking back at the original drawings it needs to be caught now. Bill: Could you put outriggers on to reduce that depth. Kevin: Yes we could but I need to know what you want for the depth reduction. Don: It is up to you but it has to be consistent with the historic building, six or four inch. Bill: On the historic buildings they used two by four or two by six framing to give a thin profile. Karen: On the windows why is there such a variety of sizes? Kevin: I feel the single pane glass is a modern feeling then having the divided lights. It is more grouping of units. Rather than a vertical orientation I tried to keep them to a square. Dennis Green: We also thought that would more to an office flow. Kevin: Ail of the employee housing has been shifted to the Asia Historic Preservation committee Minutes of August 11, 1993 restaurant which was part of the GMQS approval. Roger: How big are the employee units? Dennis: Two two bedroom units, one in the lower floor and one on the upper floor of the existing building which will be deed restricted. Roger: Does the board want to see a joist showing or soffet. Amy: I have concerns about the dimensions of the windows as the guidelines state that you must stay in the scale. I feel the square windows do not have the right feel. Roger: You are referring to the five on the front. Amy: On the center east elevation with the arched window that window seems to be more in scale. Dennis: We were restricted to where we could put windows due to the stairway in the back. Roger: On the west the windows are not that visible and the east somewhat with the landscaping etc. The main concern is the street entry, Main Street. I also have a problem with those windows. Kevin: It is cedar siding, rough sawn which will be painted. The deck will be redwood. Don: The square windows were approved at conceptual. Amy: My question was why are some of the windows square and then you have such other variety of sizes. Some have panes and some do not. Don: Two vertical mullions in each window would give you elements that were closer to the scale. Bill: Are you ok on your height? Kevin: I think so. Karen: The Board has problems with the windows. Roger: In all fairness to the applicant we approved them at conceptual and possibly the entry could be modified and kept narrower to keep the scale of the victorian structure next door. Kevin: To make that change would not be that costly. If the Historic Preservation COmmittee Ninutes of August bi, 1993 direction is more vertical I would prefer to narrower up the windows as opposed to buying mullions. Roger: On the clad windows are they metal or plastic? Kevin: Metal clad and we haven't decided the color with the owner. Bill: Legally we may have to approve the conceptual again. MOTION: Roger made the motion that we reapprove the conceptual development that was passed in 1989; second by Donnelley. MOTION: Donnelley development approval following condition: made the motion that final significant be granted to 132 W. Main Street with the 1) Fascia depth be reduced by 50 % or more total height through further study of an outrigger alternative. 2) Reconsideration be given to the south elevation to provide more vertical emphasis on the windows. Second by Jake. Ail in favor of motions, motions carry. Clarification of applicant. Kevin: We are talking a four to six inch fascia and the verticality of windows. Martha will be the monitor. 121 S. GALENA -THE I~ItKET - MINOR DEVESOPNENT Amy: The applicant is requesting HPC approval for two awnings and a sign on the side of the building. The length of the awning proposed must be retractable. Addie Charles, manager: We have a clothing store and want the awning for advertising. There is one awning next to us that belongs to the Aspen Leaf Jewelers and we are proposing to do one that would cover most of the building. We had chosen navy because it complimented the building with the steel gray trimming. Our sign will have an obsidian color which is a navy color and trimming of the letters (khaki). Roger: Do we want to allow on a building different colored awnings? Bill: In the past we have asked the applicants to get a consensus Historic Preservation COmmittee Minutes of August 11, 1993 from the other store owners or the building owner to select a color that they would like to see. Don: The awnings are not going to be continuous and wrap around. Addie: They will be separate. Don: Is the awning over the entrance going to extend all the way to the break in the corner or fall short. Addie: We will do two separate awnings with a break in the middle. Don: What is the dimension of the break? Addie: A foot and 1/2. Addie: There is about 2 1/2 feet between the jewelers awning and mine. Bill: It will be asymmetrical around the door. Don: Will the awnings have open or closed sides? Addie: Closed with eight inch flaps which is the same as the existing but the jewelers has rounded corners and ours will be square. Don: Typically awnings went over openings and I personally feel it is not satisfactory to carry the awning all the way to the end. Addie: If the board feels it should be asymmetrical I have no problem going out three feet. Jake: If you are changing colors keep the proportions the same to show similarity. Roger: Would you have a problem doing an awning the same as existing regarding the shape. And if it is not your first choice possibly get with the other people in the building and come up with an awning that is the same on the entire of the building. I have no problem as long as the entire building is compatible. Linda: What is the material of the sign? Addie: Wooden with cast iron. MOTION: Roger made the motion that HPC grant approval for two awnings on 121 S. Galena, the Market minor development and the color, size and form and whether they are retractable or not to be 6 H~storic Preservation COmmittee Ninutes of Aug~s~ ~L, ~993 determined between the applicant approval of the sign as proposed; motion carries. and Staff. second by We also recommend Don. All in favor, Amy: What would be the length of the awning? Karen: They want the awning the length proposed so that people can walk under it and be kept dry. Jake: As a policy awnings should be open specific. Monitor will be Karen Day. Jake: What is the position of the light? Addie: The light on the right will high light the awning? Jake: You might want to look at that closely. 4~5 E. ~ - ~INOR DEVELOPI~ENT - FARFALLA Jake stepped down. Amy: The applicant is requesting three new folding windows on the front of Farfalla Restaurant. Roger: I have no objection to this and we have all read the proposal. Dante Madre, Manager for Farfalla: We want to expand the restaurant and we feel it will be good for the business in the summer. I feel it needs lightened up. MOTION~ Roger made the motion that HPC approve the Minor Development for 415 E. Main; second by Donnelley. Ail in favor, motion carries. Amy: The owner of the building Don Fleischer has given approval. MOTION: Roger made the motion to adjourn; second by Donnelley. All in favor, motion carries. Meeting adjourned at 7:00 p.m. Kathleen J. Strickland, Chief Deputy Clerk