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HomeMy WebLinkAboutminutes.hpc.19910911HISTORIC PRESERVATION COM14ITTEE Minutes of September 11, 1991 Meeting was called to order by chairman Bill Poss with Roger Moyer, Martha Madsen, Karen Day, Glenn Rappaport, Les Holst, Don Erdman, and Joe Krabacher present. MOTION: Roger made the motion to approve the minutes of August 28, 1991; second by Les. Ail in favor, motion carries. 303 E. MAIN STREET Roxanne: Niklaus G. Kuhn would like to re-roof the structure at 303 E. Main with a metal roof. I am recommending because it is on the National Register and is within the commercial core historic district, a shingled roof and that the shallow portions of the roof be metal. Niklaus Kuhn: The color of the roof would be dull (reddish) to match the trim. The roof would be metal. There are four layers of roof on there now and I have been patching it up for ten years and if I have to I will patch it up another ten years. I cannot see putting wood shingles on for the simple reason you have porches on both sides where the snow will come down and the snow and ice will build up into the shingles and they say within three or four years it will leak again. I don't have the money to do it again in five years. The roof that you see right now is asphalt. Roger: If you put a metal roof on do you have to take what is on there off? Niklaus: The whole roof comes off except the framework and the plywood goes on and bituthane over felt and then the metal. Roger: Why do you not want to use wood shingles? Niklaus: For maintenance reasons. The cost is comparable. Joe: Are asphalt shingles under consideration? Niklaus: I will not consider asphalt. Martha: Is there a problem with asphalt shingles. Niklaus: The same reason as shakes, a maintenance problem. will only last 10 years. It Roger: Suppose it was wood shingles and the porch roofs were metal as staff recommends. Don: One of the technical considerations with a metal roof is everytime you have a transition either a change in plane or hip you have to have a rather big flashing or cap. This roof gets busy in H~storic Preservation Comm[2tee H~nu2es of Septembe~ ~, Z99~ certain places. I question whether it will look better. Niklaus: I don't think people who have historical buildings should be penalized and not have a metal roof. Don: I have no problem with a metal roof. darker color as opposed to red? Could the roof be a Niklaus: It matches the trim. Neighbor: A metal roof would shed the snow faster than shingles on the north side. Karen: Possibly the use of tin would be appropriate. Roger: Most roofs are a brown shade and I would favor metal with a brown color. Don: Propanel II is not an historic profile for a metal roof. Standing seam or a batten seam are appropriate. Roger: I would agree with that. Glenn: My two concerns are that the profile be simplified. The other concern is the detailing at the eaves. Joe: I would prefer shingles but that is your prerogative. If metal is used I would go with Don's recommendation of standing seam and a dark brown color. The roof should blend so that you are not focused on the roof. Don: Many manufacturers make a gun-metal gray which may even work better with the trim at the eaves and gable ends then trying to have the element of the roof carry over. A gray is very neutral. Glenn: The gray is more suitable with the house. Roger: Brown or gray with the reduced profile. Karen: The house is too important being on Main Street and I would rather see two more years of tar than putting on a roof that is inappropriate historically. Martha: Ideally I would like to see the historic nature maintained but can appreciate the dilemma. If we can come up with a metal roof that is satisfactory I would go along with it. Roger: I just had a compromise. One of the concerns with the wood is where the peaks and valleys come down and join. Suppose in 2 Historic Preservation Comm~ttee Minutes of September 11, 1991 those areas where the metal flashing is up around the bottom about a foot, it is brought up three or four feet as those are the trouble areas and the shingles came down less to alleviate that problem. When the snow melts everything builds up in the first two feet of the roof. Suppose that something were worked out that there was more metal flashing in those areas and as you face the house it is basically a wood shingled house with the standard flashing revealed but in those areas on the back where the roofs join perhaps it is wider flat metal. You achieve the same effect but you have maintained the same historic character. Bill: I see what Roger is saying, it would be like a slip sheet along the edge. It would give you a double barrier against the bithuthane as it is going up. Les: Wood shingled roofs work and they last 20 years. Bill: This is very visible and I am in favor of Staff's recommendation of metal on the lower roofs and retaining the wood on the upper roofs. It is too prominent of a structure. Wood shingles on the historic structure and metal standing seam on the shallower pitches. Joe: There are a lot of city and towns that prohibit wood roofs due to fire and I do not feel we should have a firm policy of wood roofs as asphalt is historic also. Bill: I agree with the use of shingle or asphalt but metal tends to downgrade. Propanel would degrade the stature of this house. MOTION: Don made the motion that the HPC approve the minor development application for 303 E. Main Street with the following conditions: If metal roofing is employed that roof shall be a standing seam or similar flat roof with bends only at the joints between panels. The color of such roof be a neutral dark gray preferred or that the roof be a combination of this type of metal roof with wood shingles on the steep sloping pitches; Roger second the motion. Les: If this passes I would like to see that the option of asphalt shingles be included if he decides that is the appropriate way. AMENDED MOTION: Don amended his motion to include wood or asphalt shingles and that the final color to be approved by Staff and project monitor; second by Roger. Vote: 3 yes, 4 no's, motion dies. MOTION: Les made the motion to approve the Minor Development Historic Preservation Committee ~inutes of September LL, L99L application for 303 E. Main with the following conditions, in order to meet the applicable Development Review Standards: 1) Metal roofing shall be used only on the shallow pitched porch roofs 2) Wood shingles or asphalt shingles shall be utilized for the remainder of the roof; second by Joe. Don: It all depends upon where the transition between the metal roof and the shingle roof takes place. It cannot take place at the break between the interior and exterior i.e. at the transition of the shallow porch and the main body of the roof. It has to take place above that point. The technical problem should be addressed. It would work fine if he carries the smooth surface (slip sheet) roofing beyond the transition between interior and exterior. Don Erdman is the monitor of the project. Scott, neighbor: I understand what you are saying. AMENDED MOTION: Les amended his motion that the metal roofing that is to be used on the shallow pitched porch roofs should be a standing seam or flat seam and also a neutral tone to be approved by Staff and project monitor; second by Joe. All in favor of motion and amended motion, motion carries. COM/~UNICATIONS 214 E. Bleeker (McCarthy) Roger: What is the status of the window situation. Roxanne: The building plans clearly stated that the historic windows were to stay. I am still working this out with the Building Department. This was an error on part of the owner architect/contractor. MOTIONs Don made the motion to adjourn; second by Roger. Ail in favor, motion carries. Meeting adjourned at 6:30 p.m. Kathy Strickland, Deputy City Clerk