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Minutes of August 22, 1990
Meeting was called to order by chairman Bill Poss with Georgeann
Waggaman, Les Holst, Joe Krabacher, Charles Cunniffe, Don Erdman
and Roger Moyer present. Glenn Rappaport and Jake Vickery were
excused.
MOTION: Georgeann made the motion to approve the minutes of
April 25, 1990. Les second with all in favor.
MOTION: Georgeann made the motion to move the election of
officers to end of the meeting. Don second with all in favor.
204 S. GALENA BLOCK 94 - SPORTSTALKER
CONCEPTUAL DEVELOPMENT - PUBLIC HEARING
Chairman Bill Poss opened the public hearing.
Roxanne: On July llth the HPC reviewed a conceptual development
application at a public hearing and tabled action with the
following conditions: Restudy of the general fabric of the
building including materials, articulation between the breaks and
the plane, window fenestration and the trim. A massing model of
surrounding building and a restudy of the parking area. A
clapboard material for a thr~e story building in this particular
place is not appropriate as it has no reference to the historic
district. Brick was the preferable material for a three story
building for a number of reasons, safety and also for the image
of a prosperous community that Aspen was. The fenestration does
appear to meet the guidelines. The applicant extended the north
elevation wall to include an archway entrance into the parking
area. We are recommending tabling until Sept. 12 to allow the
applicant to restudy massing and storefront facade.
Welton: In 1988 HPC and Council approved the second floor
expansion on this building. That included a second floor above
the existing retail that included 4 deed restricted employee
housing units and one free market housing unit. It didn't even
come close to reaching the maximum allowable FAR for the property
which is about 13,000 sq. ft. vs. 18,000 sq. ft. that is allowed
on that property with employee housing. It was also 32 feet high
which is way below the 40 foot allowable. The current proposal
started out as office on the middle floor and the same basic mix
of housing on the top floor. This one is 37 high, however the
client didn't want to compete in the GMP competition for
commercial core which would basically put office space against
new retail space not a very cost effect competition. He decided
to conce~crate on employee housing for the employees of the
Sportstalker and for the employees of the Aspen Sports which they
also own. The mix on the top two floors is entirely residential
and would be 8 or 9 deed restricted employee housing units and
one free market unit. There is no competition involved. The one
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free market unit in which Gerald Barnett will live in himself.
The lot is three lots, 9,000 sq. ft. and the FAR is 18,000 sq.
ft. which is 2 to 1. The lot is also non-conforming as to open
space. The applicant proposes to build out the maximum 18,000
sq. ft. in order to house the employees. Because the existing
building is a little over 6,000 sq. ft. these recesses in the
corners are a way of stacking a second and third floor on the top
of the 6,050 sq. ft. footprint and keeping the total square
footage less than 18,000 sq. ft. This also has the added
advantage of breaking up the elevations into more nearly vertical
bays. It also gets an outdoor living space for the dwelling
units. Our proposal is for a three story frame building with
commercial and ground floor and residential above. It is not
designed to mimic an historic structure. It is designed this way
to be softer. It is not a building that is as important as the
historic structures around it. This building is intended to be a
product of its own time. By treating the recesses in a different
color and connecting the outer surface to these recess surfaces
by a reflective glass material this is clearly not going to
confuse anyone that this is an old building. This is a new
building treated with compatible materials. The guidelines say
that wood siding maybe appropriate in some locations as a relief
from the predominance of brick and stone. Clapboard presents a
less serious, a less important image than stone. There are three
story contemporary buildings in town that are not brick. With
the divisions in the windows we tried to make the proportions
more vertical and less horizontal. We eliminated the archway to
the parking lot. The model shows that this building is not too
big and is in scale in context with the neighborhood. The
applicant hopes that you will consider the points and that we can
come up with a synthesis of these ideas and that we can proceed
with the project.
Bill: The use on the second floor is all employee units.
Welton:
floor.
There is a mix of employee and free market on the third
Bill: For the record you are making application before us for
residential use building.
Welton: We are making an application before this Board for this
building. The mix inside of this building has changed from the
pre-application.
Bill: From the exterior we are reviewing how windows and things
work based on the use inside.
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Glenn Horn: Representing Gerald Barnett, applicant: The
building was originally going to be office on the second floor.
In analyzing the possibility of using that second floor for
office we did an analysis of development exactions that are
associated with the commercial development process. One of the
conclusions that I, could draw from that analysis is that it is
very doubtful based on the amount of development exactions that
are involved in the process that you are going to see anyone in
the commercial core ever again leave potential floor area on the
table that they can use in their building. People are going to
maximize their floor area to try and cover the cost of exactions.
You should think what it might mean to the city of Aspen if you
stick to a policy of keeping all three story buildings brick. If
the applicant has to do this building in brick he will have to
tear down the entire building and start over again and that will
kill the project from a feasibility standpoint. A third point
regarding the non-conforming nature of this building, the
footprint can't be extended because it is non-conforming in
respect to open space right now. That is one of the reasons why
Welton's been precluded from making any additions into the
parking area because that would extend the foot print and
increase the degree of non-conformity of the building.
COMMITTEE COMMENTS'
Don: I believe that Staff is correct in saying that three story
wooden buildings did not occur with any frequency in Aspen. We
are talking about a masonry tradition that was predominantly
brick in Aspen. ~There are other materials beside brick that
qualify in terms of creating a masonry architecture; stone,
concrete, stucco. In terms of my response to the building I am
dumfounded. To find a building that appears so arbitrary and so
capable of having such a chameleon personality both on the
exterior and the interior does not convince me that this is a
strong solution. The revised treatment of the ground floor and
the kick panels are appropriate. Those are detail revisions that
are appropriate but I am not convinced that there is any strong
philosophical base for the design. It has no compelling
strengths for me.
Georgeann: There were allot of wood siding buildings in
downtown. I am not convinced that this building needs to be
brick and stone. This building is so much lower than the
building beside it that it is in effect a minor building. In
this case we might even ask to have purview over color because it
is very important that the colors be very quiet. Historically,
yes we had our three story major buildings brick and stone but if
we go with that because the trend now is to have three story
buildings we will end up with everything having three story brick
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and stone in town and it will not be historically appropriate as
a mix in this town. I do not like the reflective glass because
it is too demanding of an attention on a building that is
supposed to be a moderate building. I do not like having the
arched area over the parking, in this particular building it
appears too contrite. In this building it may be important to
have awnings because if it does not have upper transom windows
then it needs covered with awnings to reflect some of the scale
of the other buildings around.
Charles: I don't have a problem with the use of wood especially
if the building does intend to be less significant than the brick
historic buildings around it. One of the problems I have with it
is that it looks like the Elks Building but only in wood. Has
the same appearances as a major brick building would have. Wood
gives you the opportunity to do playful things as a surfacing
material than brick would other wise do in this context. I feel
there are other ways to cut out the square footage than cutting
off the corners. The entire third floor could step back a
little. The scale of the building should not resemble the Brand
building.
Joe: I don't see why the building can't be wood if that is what
the owner wants to do. In addition it is a little much to force
someone to build a brick building because you like brick
especially if he has to build a new foundation. Maybe there are
other types Of treatments. This is a difficult building to make
three stories without having massing problems. I prefer B over A
primarily because of the treatment of the corner although the
treatment in the corner of B is still too opposing probably due
to the gable end. I also prefer landscaping as opposed to the
archway for the parking treatment.
Roger Moyer:
Charles idea
appropriate.
appropriate.
idea. It is
housing. It
I have no problem with the concept of using wood.
of possibly stepping the third floor back might be
Also possibly some kind of overhang might be
Taking away the arch for the parking area is a good
wonderful that someone is putting a building up with
is too much like a landmark building.
Bill: It is not the philosophy of this committee to dictate to
applicants what materials they should use. It is our duty to
make sure that the buildings meet the standards. We need to
determine if mass and use of material is compatible in the
district and its neighbors. I am also in support of using
masonry and wood in the downtown as long as the massing works
with it. Most wood structures in our town had developed in a two
story western false front facade, meaning that it also could be
tall and go to 30 or 35 feet but it had a two story character to
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it. Most two stories were wood, false front type of design. The
massing that you are showing here in a three story design I find
to be incompatible with our historical character of our district.
If wood was the chosen material because that was the economics
that were created by the client maybe a different massing might
be in order. The use of wood on this site and the massing chosen
to be compatible. I am not in favor of doing this building in
wood based on the massing that is shown. On the massing I do
prefer the massing on plan B without the corner being recessed.
I prefer the wood storefront kickplate that are represented by
alternate B revised. I do agree with Georgeann that awnings
might be more appropriate around the building to strengthen the
streetscape since we don't have the traditional transoms.
Awnings would carry the horizontal line that is prevalent in the
district. Georgeann's suggestion of the use of colored wood
might be compatible if dark but I would have to review that.
Georgeann: I think the problem of the use of wood is that all
landmark buildings were masonry. Perhaps the conflict is that
Welton has gotten this mass in the tradition of a landmark
building and perhaps there is a way not to create that four
square landmark look.
Charles: Possibly a two story with a setback third floor would
not look like a landmark area. If the massing were changed a
· little it would be more reasonable to make it out of wood because
it wouldn't try to resemble a major brick building.
Les: I basically agree with everybody. I feel the entire third
floor has to be restudied. We started off with a design that we
were not happy with and we are just modifying that.
Georgeann: Every time Welton has come in he has gotten a better
building.
Don: In looking at this contextual model and analyzing Welton's
desire to make this a building that doesn't compete with it
neighbors etc. This building has a residential fussy scale along
the skylight so that no matter what you do with materials brick,
stone, glass or wood makes its profile against the sky such a
competitor just by its very nature of having these gable ends and
pediments.
Welton: I am responding to what the committee has asked for by
showing variations. If we step back the third floor it won't be
like the massing of any building in wood or masonry. Does it
want to be historic or modern. Does it want to be of its own
time or look like an old wooden two or three story building.
What era does the Committee want.
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Charles: A modern building with a simplified conservative
approach to it. Not over gestured so that it competes with the
other buildings around it.
Welton: If the Committee would like to see the third floor set
back I will bring that to you in two weeks.
Georgeann: I am not sure pulling the third floor back is
appropriate. I would respond to what Don said "simplify".
Charles: On a wood clapboard building if you would treat it more
as a two story building with a lesser addition on top of it.
Don: I disagree with Georgeann, if you look at all the historic
pictures of Aspen there were no three story historic structures.
If someone wanted .a more important building they put up a false
western front and extended the two story higher. If the client
wants a clapboard building, build a two story clapboard building
and the third floor could be stucco and possibly set back only
eight inches. That is only a suggestion as the client wants a
clapboard building and staff and some of the Committee feel a
three story clapboard building is not appropriate.
Bill: I see too much association with a three story clapboard
building that is historically incorrect for this district. The
design is too tightly tied to an historic replica.
Roger: Lets suppose the first two floors were horizontal
clapboard siding and that the third floor could be vertical
siding and the peaks removed so that the roof line was straight
and the lower floors one color and the upper floor another color
with or without a setback.
Joe: That is a possible solution.
Les: The solutions don't work. There is nothing that makes a
statement about wh~t it is. Cut the peaks off and possibly do
something with the windows.
Don: We are asking for a "dumb" building, a simple building.
Roxanne: We are struggling because we are dealing with an
addition to an non'historic incompatible one story building. To
add two stories to an already inappropriate building and not make
it worse and not make it historic or a replica is a dilemma
especially where it is located. It is right in the heart, right
on Galena St. and surrounded by critical two and three story
national registered buildings.
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Bill: I would be available to give you my suggestions.
Roger stepped down.
Roxanne: Possiblya worksession.
Welton: Possibly lowering the windows.
MOTION: Charles made the motion to table conceptual development
approval to September 12th to allow the applicant additional time
to restudy the massing, storefront facade and material elements
of the building. To create more of a two story appearance and to
simplify the profile of the building. To de-emphasize the third
floor. Joe second with all in favor.
CONCEPTUAL DE~-ELOPMENT - PUBLIC HEARING - 610 N. 3RD ST. BLOCK 102
Bill opened the public hearing.
MOTION: Georgeanni made the motion to table
continue the public hearing until Sept. 12th.
all in favor.
610 N. 3rd and to
Second by Don with
534 E. HYMAN A~-ENUE - CONCEPTUAL DEVELOPMENT - PUBLIC HEARING
Bill opened public hearing.
Joe stepped down.
Bill: My firm is representing an applicant that is in
competition for the growth management quota system as this
building is also and I don't find it to be a conflict but I leave
that up to the applicant. I feel I can do a fair judgment.
Andy Hecht, attorney for applicant: We are comfortable that Bill
will make a fair judgment.
Roxanne: This is conceptual development for a two story addition
to the Pitkin County Bank building. It is not an historic
landmark but is located right on the fringe of the commercial
core historic district. The proposed height of the finished
addition shows to be 34 feet. The guidelines and standards that
are applicable are in the memo presented to the Board. We find
in general that the three story design accomplishes compatibility
with adjacent structures but a three story on the edge of the
district may not be entirely appropriate. The pedestrian
experience is being enhanced by this proposal in making the park
area in front more of an active area for pedestrians, seating
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benches etc. I am recommending that they eliminate the berming
that is shown in the landscape. Consider wrapping the active
park space around to the west corner of the building to integrate
more with the Pitkin Center building. There is a rigid canopy
that does effect the open space and they are going to remove that
and do a retractable awning. The massing is a concern on this
building when they are adding directly onto an existing condition
and we are already looking at a non-conforming situation with
regard to massing with the guidelines, how the new massing works
and is it appropriate. On the south elevation on the main facade
the pickup of the detail elements of the Pitkin Center need to be
looked at. The openings and windows along with massing are a
concern of mine in relationship to the guidelines. I am
recommending replacement of all the windows and restudy of the
upper floor fenestration and the west elevation. Eliminate the
recesses of the second floor. We are recommending that the
mortar be fixed to match. I am recommending that you grant
conceptual'development approval with conditions as stated in memo
dated August 22, 1990 (see records).
Scott Smith, architect with Gibson & Reno: The existing building
was built in 1979 and it was a contemporary styled two story
brick building with a basement and a combination of flat roof and
sloped metal roof at the corner. In 1981 HPC approved a small
two story brick addition which was added onto the rear of the
building. That is the way the building exists today. Over the
years the bank has grown and they are looking for additional
office space. The lower level will remain as it. On the main
floor plan the street level plan one of the additions at this
level is an elevator in the corner to provide handicapped
accessibility to the building and an additional stair back into
what used to be a storage area. We are providing an enclosure
for the trash area. We are proposing a landscape area (vest
pocket) for pedestrians. We propose to relocate the existing
sign out toward the corner and create more of a meandering type
of stone path with seating benches interspersed with landscaping.
All existing trees~ on the street will remain. The second level
plan would be the! one floor added to the bank which would be
above the mezzanine and at this level we would have the two
stairs, elevator and loft and additional office space. We are
including a small recessed deck to help break up some of the tall
elevation. One o~f the primary concerns of the owner was to
maximize the efficiency of the office space added while at the
same time being able to keep the bank operating. Our basic
concern was to incorporate the existing contemporary structure in
a way that would help it blend more with the historic context.
Some of the ways we did that was the matching brick and
materials. We also tried to keep the massing at a more
traditional fashion. On the west elevations Staff had concerns
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with the openings and after further study of that wall, possibly
we can do an 8 inch brick recess to indicate an opening pattern
as opposed to the actual opening.
COMMITTEE COMMENTS
Charles:
building
windows.
The proposal has great elements in it. Because this
is so contemporary I don't see a problem with the
You might even want to repeat that on the top floor.
Don: The vest pocket park needs made a little less fussy and
should work as well in the winter as summer. I concur that the
berm should be eliminated.
Georgeann: I concur that the park needs simplified. I see that
there is a fence around the park and if this is a park that is
supposed to be open space that fence would tell me that I
couldn't walk inside. You should consider removal of the fence.
I have no problem on the west elevation with the empty spaces and
I am not sure you need any reflection of the fact that there
could be windows in there. You have enough texture and pattern
going on that wall. On the south west end those windows seem too
large for that wall, make it too transparent since it is so
narrow in the front; I am uncomfortable with them. Possibly
scaled down a little. The window on the gable end is acceptable.
I also like the roof treatment and the reflection of the low
pitched metal roof so you don't end up with one element of a
metal roof.
Les: I like it and also feel the west wall should be broken up
and the sign should be pulled out of the park.
Bill: I like the program and as a .suggestion I think the park
should really be green space and be landscaped space. I don't
think the windows along the existing bank building are conducive
to walking along the building and the green space is a nice
transition between the sidewalk and building that is there. By
having a vest pocket park you tend to be inviting traffic to cut
the corner and walk along there and they will cut the corner and
the windows are not that conducive to that kind of foot traffic.
I would prefer to see more of a landscape. I like the building
in general and the massing but offer one suggestion that if this
massing was a problem to other committee members which it doesn't
appear to be, just staff you might free it up a little more as a
tower. It bothers me from the west elevation in looking through
here as it looks like an industrial building and needs broken up
to look more like a tower effect. Doing so you would achieve two
things, break up the west elevation and in massing you would
perceive it both from Hunter and Hyman as a building that is more
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in line with the other buildings on the street and the tower out
in the open space. It might be an interesting effect. Then the
window on the south elevation works in a tower element. The
windows on the east elevation on Hunter, because these are
existing I would like to see a better window study that would add
more prominence to,this element on Hunter.
Augie Reno, architect: Regarding the mortar the applicant is
willing to look at what can be done with that. Possibly it might
be stained to blend. Pulling out all the mortar and re-grouting
is not an acceptable situation. With the windows we feel strong
about keeping the existing windows on the lower level as is.
They present a vertical format which is in keeping with the
historical guidelines.
MOTION: Don made the motion that conceptual development approval
for the proposed construction of a two story addition to the
Pitkin County BanR building at 534 E. Hyman Avenue be granted
subject to the following conditions to be met at final
development review~
Restudy area dedicated to vest pocket park with
simplified solution and elimination of berming.
B. Relocate bike racks to north of present location.
Exact material representation be presented for brick,
mortar, roof, windows, awning and benches.
Restudy the large south west stair elevator tower
considering separation from the west wall plane.
E. Open space clarification.
F. Add horizontal mullion to third floor windows to make
them more consistent with windows on the first two
stories.
Study possibility of unifying mortar color throughout
the entire structure and present at final.
H. Mechanical equipment shall not protrude above parapet.
I. Call out location of sculpture if it is to be retained.
J. Restudy possibility of sign location and sizing.
K. Clarification of fenestration and detailing of entire
west wall.
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Charles second with all in favor. Motion carries.
Clarification of motion.
Andy Hecht: I would like to take a look at the mortar as it is
the existing building and not the development. I don't know that
the bricks are the same.
Charles: The mortar correction could be done with color or
repointing.
Les: What about the park.
Charles: You might say restudy possibility of pocket vest park.
MINOR DE~-ELOPMENT FOR ThE BLACK DIAMOND SALOON - 520 E. COOPER
Roxanne: This was the old Eastern Winds building, a non-historic
building. There are three shed awnings proposed over the store
front windows and then the replacement of the barrel awning
material over the arched canopy. The material that they are
proposing is off white but looks more like tan, black lettering.
The barrel awning frame that exists right now projects into
public space and the zoning officer will not allow that to
continue. It will need to be cut back to the plane of the
building. The shed awnings will be retractable and they are
proposed to be 4 feet. No other awnings on that street and
relatively few are that wide. The awnings that are closest to
that are 2 1/2 ft. wide. I am recommending that the shed awnings
be no wider then 2 1/2 to 3 feet and the framework of the arched
canopy cover be cut back in line with the building. The material
choice is fine.
Daniel Wardwell, manager of restaurant: I asked them to do the
same thing that is on Boogie's restaurant so if that is less than
4 feet we will be more than willing to go with that. We have
agreed to push back that old canopy that was hanging over the
sidewalk and they are taking it down tomorrow morning. We are in
agreement to do what Roxanne is suggesting.
Les: It will be c~t back approximately a 1 1/2 ft to 2 feet.
Don: Both the applicant and staff's proposal seem very
reasonable to me.
Georgeann: That particular building needs awnings.
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Bill: It is a southern exposure and there are specific
requirements in the city that you do not extend below eight feet
and I would say that the width of Boogie's awning is fine. I
believe they come .out about three feet. I would try to align
with that and not ibelow 8 feet. 2 1/2 feet wouldn't give them
the shade.
Georgeann: Whatever Boogie's is he can go that wide because we
already have that on an existing street.
Charles: As part of the clarification we might say not to exceed
Boogies.
MOTION: Charles made the motion to approve the minor development
of Black Diamond Saloon, 520 E. Cooper, awning proposal as
presented with the width not to exceed 3 feet. Any minor
adjustments can be signed off by Staff. The existing entrance
canopy would be pulled back to align with the facade of the
building. Georgeann second with all in favor. Motion carries.
(Boogies is an example)
320 LAKE AVENUE, MINOR DEVELOPMENT
PARCEL #1, MARSh{ALL LOT SPLIT
Roxanne: This was built without a building permit. It is not
visible from the facade. We find that this particular detached
development does not effect the facade and the character of the
Hallam Lake Proposed district however, concern focuses on the
visual impacts that this particular development has on the
historic Hallam Lake area. Hallam Lake area is in the process of
annexing into the City. Hallam Lake is a very important site to
us. We are recommending HPC approve the screened development
from the Hallam Lake view plane and that a revised detailed
planting plan be submitted for Staff's approval prior to a
building permit.
James VonBrewer, representing applicant: The contractor who
built this is from Grand Junction and I am mitigating the
situation. I have acquired a landscape contractor's
recommendation for this proposal. I visited the site with him
and what he has proposed here effectively meets the
recommendation for screening requirements in terms of using
native vegetation. I had him steak it out and locate the plants.
He is ready to put them in subject to what transpires here.
Roxanne: The question being does the vegetation proposed screen
the development enough all year long.
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Bill: If Tom can confirm that the vegetation proposed is native
to that area it might help us make a decision. There are 7
junipers 3 to 4 feet wide and 4 to five feet high. There are 5
alpine currents that are 4 feet high and 3 feet wide. There are
15 sea green junipers that are approximately 2 feet high and 3
feet wide.
James: The sea green juniper will fall over the wall and tend to
break it up.
Tom Cardomen, ACES: I have seen so called native plants turn out
not to be native plants even though they do quite well. In this
situation it is formal deck and the large and screening is more
important to me than being specific to native species. I am
working with the Planning office on an environmentally sensitive
area overlay that will protect us and we are working with the
neighbors concerning over development etc. on our borders. We
are interested in' ~rotecting the steep bank and screening homes
to the extent that we are not overwhelmed by the feeling of homes
surrounding us but,so that homes are left with views. This deck
was one of the important factors with working with P&Z because
part of the project was involving moving quite a bit of dirt, 10
yards or more andl was dumped over the hillside and broke our
fence. It was irretrievably placed at the bottom of the hill and
we have kinda worked it out but in my mind that has not been
worked out satisfactorily. I would hope that we can continue to
work as neighbors and that the screening can go in place.
Georgeann: When they dug the dirt out for the hot tub they
dumped it over the edge of the bank.
Tom: There were allot of rocks etc. and to carry them back up
was too much work so we just tried to uncover the grassy hill
side and encourage them to come back and pull a lot of the stuff
to the bottom of the hill. It needs a little more attention.
Georgeann: What do you think it needs.
Tom: Two guys for a full day and some seeding and shrubs and a
better irrigation system would be useful. The original
contractor agreed that he would screen it and he planted shrubs
but they died within a few weeks.
Les: Can you see this deck.
Tom: It is apparent to us and we are down looking at birds and
it is out of character or distracting to look up and see a hot
tub in use. I also feel the owner of the hot tub would feel more
comfortable with significant screening.
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Les: Has there been discussion about cutting down the deck down
to lessen the impact.
Tom: It would cost more to do that then plant shrubs and keep
them healthy. Two or three cottonwoods at the bottom of our
property could be part of the plan so that they have natural
irrigation and would help in the plan.
Bill: We are here to deal with historical compatibility of
development in an historic district done to this designated
structure. We cannot be a policing issue between neighbors.
It is up to neighbors to work that out.
Georgeann: Historically you wouldn't see a structure here from
Hallam lake. Hallam lake's view plane is an historic element.
Les: If approved do we have any perimeters regarding maintenance
of screening or do we have to deal with part of the deck.
Tom: The proposed environmental sensitive area overly requires
maintenance of a 75% screen but that hasn't gone through yet.
Don: If this is to be approved, concurrent with the approval
would we perhaps~ require an automatic irrigation system to
maintain the g~owth.
Tom: The junipers are 4 feet high and that gets up to the deck
height but doesn't screen the deck. There is a trade off in that
the bigger the tree you plant the slower it grows.
Georgeann: The man with the spa puts in screening and if Tom
doesn't think it screens it he has to come back and complain to
someone.
Bill: We don't require any of the other applicants to have to
screen the neighbors view and in fact there are numerous people
complaining about their view being blocked. We have to also
protect the applicant. The screening has to be a good attractive
development. ~
Georgeann read a letter into the records from Ronnie Marshall
dated July 26th: The proposed development reflects and is
consistent with the character of the neighborhood. It does not
in any way distract from the historical character of the existing
residence.
Georgeann: I believe our best and most valid approach here is to
say although this is in the back of the building it is a fairly
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large deck and it does distract from the historical character of
the existing residence which can be solved by softening and
screening it further.
Les: If this was proposed now and we had an open hearing and all
the neighbors came in and Hallam Lake says this will protrude
into our historic visual, we would make them put the deck back
and that is what I am dealing with. How can we ignore somebody
coming in saying this is obtrusive to the historical perimeters
of Hallam Lake. It is within our perimeters to require something
reduced.
Charles: Possibly the applicant could stagger three more
junipers and provide ground cover down the hill.
thought this
Jim: That would be acceptable and the contractor
would be acceptable.
Georgeann: Once it is planted Staff could sign off after viewing
it.
MOTION: Georgeann made the motion that HPC grant minor
development approval for 320 Lake Avenue spa/deck subject to the
condition that increased vegetation be planted along the lake
side edge of the deck to screen this development and make it more
historically compatible with the building and the buildings
around it with the goal of minimizing the visual impacts of the
new development along the Hallam Lake bluff. This planting is to
be approved in situ by Staff and if need be, more planting will
be put in with Staff's direction and if satisfactory Staff is
authorized by HPC to sign off on the building permit. Charles
second with all in favor except Les. Motion carries.
Plans were exhibited and marked for records dated August 21, 1990
as presented by James VonBrewer copy to go to Staff.
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ELECTION OF OFFICERS.
Les made the motion to nominate Bill Poss
Georgeann, all approved.
MOTION: Les made the motion to adjourn,
all in favor.
as chairman, second by
second by Charles with
MOTION: Georgeann made the motion to nominate Charles Cunniffe
as first vice-chairman and Joe Krabacher as second vice-
chairman. Bill Poss second with all in favor.
Meeting adjourned 8:30 p.m.
Kathy Strickland, Deputy city Clerk
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