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HomeMy WebLinkAboutminutes.hpc.19870414 HISTORIC PRESERVATION MINq]TES Regular Meeting Minutes April 14, 1987, 2:30 p.m. City Council Chambers 2nd floor City Hall Meeting was called to order by chairman Georgeann Waggaman with Zoe Compton, Bill Poss, Mary Martin, Marge Riley present. Nick Pasquarella, Patricia O'Bryan, Charles Cunniffe and Charlie Knight were absent. MOTION: Georgeann made the motion to approve the minutes of March 31, 1987. Mary second the motion. All approved. Motion carries. FINAL REVIEW SPORT STALKER 204 S. GALENA ST. Robert Mchugh: We have addressed the blue stripe at the bottom of the awning, it has been removed. The snowflake graphic has been removed. We were asked to consider wood siding or lap siding rather than the stucco. The canopy over the entry projected a foot over the copper canopy and we were asked to bring that back into alignment. We also have addressed the corner; we had considered bringing the copper awning around but that seemed obtrusive so we are using a smaller canopy similar to the entry's canopy. All the lighting will be shielded. Steve: Robert has addressed most of those concerns. The owners and HPC are trying to accomplish something that looks a little more modern while not creating any elements that detract from the historic buildings on Galena St. One concern now that the lap siding is being used instead of stucco it makes me reconsider the use of copper as to whether that material is a preferable material. I also want you to think about the copper canopy that was over the Elks Building and the heavy appearance that it had. A copper canopy has a heavy appearance. The other element discussed was the metal balls that appear on top of the parapets; it is a decorative element that calls attention to the building. My recommendation is for approval with some reconsideration of the copper. Mary: The trees are getting bigger all the time and how does this copper roofing over the sidewalk fit in and how far out does it come. Robert Mchugh: It comes out six feet and we are not increasing the size. The roof slopes so it will drain. Mary: Every metal roof with a ridge in it has problems with snow dropping off of it and since this comes to the middle of the sidewalk I'm wondering if you don't want to shingle that instead. Steve: This roof covers the entire sidewalk. HPC.MINUTES April 14, 1987 Mary: Why does this canopy have to be parallel flush with the copper one. Why not have it come out to the street. Georgeann: I believe there is a technical reason why it can't go out that far. Bill Drueding: Canopies can only extend out so far and I'll look it up in the code. This also has to go through an encroach- ment license. Robert Mchugh: The canopies are free standing. Bill: Do you plan on doing landscaping. Robert Mchugh: 'We will work on the trees and the corner sidewalk will be replaced in the proper manner. Marge: I like the appearance of the building and would encour- age soft lighting. Georgeann: I would like us to consider a wood fascia as that would be a softening element. We don't want the material for the awnings to be a shiny material as it is not appropriate in the historic district. Georgeann: I open the public hearing. public. I close the public hearing. No comment from the MOTION: Mary: I make the motion that we accept this building and final reading. Zoe second the motion. All approved. Motion carries. FINAL REVIEW 4TH FLOOR EXIT STAIRS 415 E. HIq~AN ST. Stan Mathis: Letters were sent out to all the occupants as you requested. The way we left it was if no one objected we were OK. I do not have that evidence with me. That would be wise to make that part of the approval that the evidence be shown to Steve from the Planning office. Georgeann: You are saying you can't put the stairs through the interior section. Stan: No. Bill Drueding: code approvals. space. I want this contingent upon zoning and building I haven't decided if this is infringing on open 2 HPC.MINUTES April 14, 1987 Georgeann: I open the public hearing. No comments. The public hearing is closed. MOTION: Bill: I'll move that we approve the exterior fire stair as presented by Stan Mathis with conditions that it meet all the Building Dept. and zoning code approvals and that they come back with color review. Marge second the motion. All approved. Motion carries. PRELININARY REVIEW MESA STORE BLDG. Nasser Sadeghi: Jim McDade acquired the building last October and we did interior work. At that time we discussed the renova- tion of the exterior. There are 2 by 4 studs supporting the canopy structure. Some of the slats supporting the shingles are broken and nailed together and need to be replaced somehow. Once the canopy is replaced if we redo it in another shape it might do some things for the building i.e. exposing the building. We would recess some lights and they would be concealed. Georgeann: It is my windows and detailing has right now. understanding that you want to repair the but generally keep the character that it Nasser: The building itself will not change at all only the canopy. We would like to paint the building the same color that it is. We would like to add a little striping around the windows which would add attractiveness to it. We would also do lands- caping on the lot next to the building and maintain it. Other than that there is landscaping I mentioned, painting, window trim, the main roof also needs some repair etc. Steve: The reason why this building wasn't on the national register was the second floor windows, they have been altered. As the old photos show the canopy was original. The basic rule is not to remove an original features however the applicant has given three basic reasons why it makes some sense to remove that feature: The valance is too low, it is 8 feet high; It is in the presence of deterioration; It covers the store front features. I am concerned about the style and proportions of the replacement canopy. I think it is similar to the Hotel Jerome. If you do attach it, it should be done in a way so that it can be removed. Nasser: It is an attachment and can be removed at any point. Steve: It may be more appropriate for the canopy to come straight out from the eastern wall. That would enhance the look of the canopy. The door replacement appears to be necessary. HPC.MINUTES April 14, 1987 Marge: What is the height color would it be painted. of the proposed railing and what Nasser: 2 1/2 feet to 3 feet and we would maintain the same colors of red and white which are in the building now. Bill: The job proposed is a quality proposal but I feel that the design intent seems to dilute the historical integrity that was there. Zoe: This building is the only prime example of a working class frame structure that we have on Main Street. Because the windows have been augmented it is a minor change in terms of effecting the whole building. The canopy is an improvement because the storefront is attractive and it is not visible right now although we should be purest in terms of this building because it is one of a kind. A canopy should be placed on it that is similar to what is there. The doors that are on the building are grocery store doors. The doors that you have chosen are fine but the glass does not go with that building. Stained glass was not used as they couldn't afford it. Georgeann: You have a working class building and you are putting lacy doors on it. If you change the canopy it changes the character of that building. Maybe if we kept the canopy with an angled roof that would be more in keeping. Nasser: It won't work that way. If we can't have that one we will leave the one the way it is. It doesn't appear to be a middle ground, we either tear off what was there and put back exactly what is there or we change it to our presentation. Jim McDade, owner: The canopy does change the look of the building but I came to the conclusion fundamentally this canopy is ugly. Mary: I find no fault with this building as long as it is in the original format. We have to leave some discretion to the owners. The roof is not functional right now. Steve: It seems to me that this design is a major alteration of the character. If they are able to do a new design of a canopy that does remove one original feature in order to expose other original features i.e. store front that might be an acceptable proposal. This adds another element to the building. Bill: This presentation changes the integrity of the building. Zoe: I agree with Bill. This building is almost like a tourist attraction. HPC.MINUTES April 14, 1987 Bill Drueding: He needs an encroachment if canopy and I'm concerned about the lighting. should be with lighting going naturally. he touches the The transition Marge: I do see a big change in the picture and it does alter the character of the building. MOTION I: Zoe: I make a motion to table this until the next meeting and have another presentation made in line with the original character of the building, the canopy part. Georgeann: We don't want to disapprove this one either. We would recommend to them that they show us an alternative the direction of restoration. in MOTION II: Georgeann: I would be happy to move that the items of restoration: paint, garden, lighting, roof repair, replacement of the windows are acceptable as presented and do not need a public hearing. Marge second the motion. Doors, lighting of the front and canopy must come back before us. Steve: A definitive list should be drawn up for the planning office. Vote on both motions: Ail approved. Motion carries. That renovation be more toward restoration of the canopy. GOLDEN HORN AWNING-320 S. MILL ST. Andrew Dracopoli: We would like maroon awnings for the south facing windows of the second floor offices in the Golden Horn. We would also like to move the entry door to the offices 16" closer to the Fila entry door which would allow an interior lobby before reaching the stairs. Bill: I move that we approve the two proposal presented to us and that the awnings be maroon as proposed. Zoe second the motion. All approved. Motion carries. AJAX MOUNTAIN BLDG. AWNING-520 E. DURANT Gary Reed and Patty Tyler: We are representing the Polo Shop right now. We are proposing retractable lateral arm awnings. We would like to put signage on the awnings (their pony logo) and the fabric is navy and the awning extends 32" out from the building and they are a 45 degree angle. Currently we don't have any other prospects for the building. It would be an anodized aluminum frame. 5 HPC.MINUTES April 14, 1987 Zoe: The awning makes the building look better. Steve: An acceptable format for awnings is: 1. functional. 2. That they do not detract from the building. I am concerned about the increased perceived bulk of the building and the corres- ponding decrease in perception of open space. It should be limited to where awnings are functional. Georgeann: The first floor would need the awnings more due to sun problems. Zoe: Could some of the double and triple windows have just one awning. The awnings need to be concentrated more. Gary: Yes. Bill: I would prefer the elongated awnings or the one look as opposed to the individual awnings. Since it isn't functional I would hate to pretend that it is an awning. I don't think we can vote against it because it does not have a function because we have approved awnings on many buildings that face north and never get any sun. It is a way to circumvent the law and get identity. If it was more permanent and not looking like an awning then it would become more of an architectural feature and would help soften it. Georgeann: The small individual awnings break up the large scale of the building and soften it. Gary: We have to go with a retractable awning because of the FAR on the building and the open space. Georgeann: We will have to review each individual applicant as they come up. Marge: It is too much as individual awnings. Gary: The owner likes the solid awning. We could break individual. segmentation but wasn't against a the awnings up some solid and some Zoe: I think that is the best idea. Steve: DO you want the Polo Shop to have eight awnings or one or two and do you want every opening on the building to have an awning potentially. Georgeann: Historically they had awnings solid down the fronts of buildings. 6 HPC.MINUTES April 14, 1987 Steve: They are over a covered walkway which is not historical. I would recommend the Committee to take a look at the whole building with an optimum number of awnings that identify the given stores. zoe: I don't like all the little individual awnings visually. Gary: We could combine awnings where feasible. Georgeann: The question is do we want to approve the awnings of the Polo Shop or do we want to ask the Polo Shop to come back and present us with less awnings or a little more tighter and more defined awning plan. Marge: Less awnings. Gary: If we were to redraw this do you want us to focus on the building or just the Polo Shop. Georgeann: The Polo Shop's original request was to have wall to wall awnings and the consensus is that is not acceptable. Gary: The Polo Shop wants signage and they want to identify their entire space and cut down on the sun in the winter. MO~ION: Marge: I make a with fewer awnings in their Motion carries. motion that the Polo Shop come back proposal. Zoe second the motion. Georgeann: I don't think they should have to come back on a contemporary building. Zoe: I withdraw my second. Marge: I want my motion to stand as I won't be here to vote at the next meeting. VIGODA HOUSE 232 E. HALLAM ST. Steve: This house was formerly the Luke Short house. Louise Vigoda: The original design becomes extremely bulky and massive of a scale. The grotto was built to be too wide and too high. We would like to follow the curve of the new part of the house. It would be made of stone and wood planter boxes. There would be a waterfall and a reflecting pool, a much lighter treatment. Georgeann: What are the planter boxes going to be. HPC.MINUTES April 14, 1987 Louise: Lap siding like the rest of the house with white trim. There will be metal liners inside. Steve: It is not the connection to the original house so therefore it doesn't effect your visual sense of the original house and it does seem to be appropriate. It does not go above the existing walls. I recommend approval. MOTION: Bill: I move that we approve the revision to the original approved design as presented, zoe second the motion. All approved. Motion carries. Kathy Strickland 8