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HomeMy WebLinkAboutminutes.hpc.19870609 MISTORI¢ PRESERVATION COMMITTEE Minutes Regular Meeting City Council Chambers, City Hall June 9, 1987 2:30 p.m. Meeting was brought to order by Bill Poss with Nick Pasquarella, Patricia O'Bryan, Zoe Compton, Charles Cunniffe, Marge Riley and Mary Martin present. Excused were Charlie Knight and Georgeann Waggaman. COMMITTEE MEMBER AND STAFF COMMENTS Mary: I had to go to Council to get $100. for one of our members to go to the Colo. Historic Preservation meeting at Cripple Creek on 6-11-87. They are studying protecting the victorians and problems with the Planning Dept. of various cities. Bill: Is there anybody who would like or could attend. Patricia: Mary is well versed and I think she should go. Mary: I'll go and bring back a summary. I think it is terrible that I had to go to a City Council meeting to ask for money. Bill: How do we request appropriations for plaques, conferences etc. that come up during the year. Steve: That money is under the City's general appropriations and you have to go to Council to request it. Mary: This year I'm going to the budget hearing to get appropr- iations for HPC. MOTION: Mary made the motion that the Planning Dept. must request the funding to publish the guidelines. No second. Motion dies. MOTION: Nick made the motion that we recommend as a Committee that Steve and the Planning Office as part of putting the guidelines together, that funding be done so that we get a proper presentation and dossier. Mary second the motion. Steve: I will get more information on how the funding works. Zoe: I think the guidelines should be presentable. Steve: The guidelines go Council for adoption by resolution. At that time Georgeann and I had decided if we needed to request monies that would be the best time. Nick withdrew his motion. HPC Minutes June 9, 1987 Zoe: Ultimately we will make a recommendation to Council. Mary: Our sole purpose is to save the old victorians. I went to the City Manager and asked him if we could take some of these houses and encourage the contractor/buyer whomever and save these houses and bring them to the Marolt property. They have allowed vegetable gardens at the marolt property and it is open space. We need to recreate the look of Aspen. Steve: We are requesting a grant from the Colo. Historical Society. Bill: I'll open the public hearing on the guidelines. Steve: After HPC feels comfortable with the guidelines we will make a resolution to recommend to Council that they adopt them. The main purpose of this meeting is to get public input. Bill: There has been concern about the length of this document and what alternatives we have. Steve: The guidelines are to address all the important elements of historic structures. They will help insure that Aspen's historic resources are protected. Nick: This group is divided: 1/2 like this document and others feel we need a document that summarizes this lengthy one. Why don't we have both to get them going. zoe: To me having two documents is complicated; something will fall through the cracks. Patricia: I can live with this document. Bill: Since the process is already started why don't we work with this one and then address the shorter one. Mary: I meant a condensed size of the guidelines not a shorter version. Discussion on changes for the guidelines. Bill: Does anybody have any comments on the introduction. Regina Lee: I feel you only need one document. In this document I feel there are some conflicting points under the general outline. It needs to be clearer and more concise. In HPC Minutes June 9, 1987 the design guidelines it states the guidelines are not to be used as a check list but as a homeowner it would be a checklist. Kathryn Lee: When I read this it states constantly "it is suggested over and over...Who is suggesting this; is it the author, the Committee or who. As a person who loves victorians I think you have to look at what you are doing and have realism from the public. If this becomes so prohibited and confusing or difficult to work with you will defeat what you are trying to say. The bottom line is economics. Sally: I'm seeing things in the guidelines that were outlined in the ordinance and I fear when it comes up before HPC the guidelines will take precedence over the ordinance. An example is color, HPC has no control over color but in the guidelines it is mentioned several times. Steve: We do have ord. #11 which states we have no control over color. The way we stated it in the guidelines is to be very loosely descriptive. Zoe: I think the issue of color should be addressed and HPC should be involved. If someone asks our assistance on color I feel we should help them in their selection. Bill: THe continuation of the public hearing will be held on the guidelines the 17th at 5:00. We also will discuss Mary's concern on the marolt property. MINOR DEVELOPMENT-LITTLE CLIFF'S BAKERY-WALK-IN FREEZER Cliff Little: We would like to turn the freezer so the door would be approaching the back building so you wouldn't look at the freezer door from the sidewalk and patio. That can be done but we are having a eight foot access walkway between the freezer and the back for deliveries and parking. A berm of 2ft. will be constructed so cars can't drive up to the patio. Patricia: I don't have any problem seeing it from Main St. MOTION: Mary: I move that Little Cliff's be allowed to put the freezer in the location as suggested if fully protected by shrub or fence and approved by the Planning Dept and that the freezer door face west. The door would move from North to West. Marge second the motion. All favored. Motion carries. HPC Minutes June 9, 1987 MINOR DEVELOPMENT-COUNTRY ROADS REST. CANOPIES Gary Reed: This along the side of entering the bar. is a proposal for a convex awning that would go the building to direct traffic away from people The side door goes down to the restaurant. Steve: Is the proposed canopy for Country Roads subject to FAR. Bill Drueding: If it is not retractable it is subject to FAR and also this would be in the open space easement. If you can't fold it up then it becomes an obstruction into open space. Gary: My understanding was to get the FAR we must have HPC approval first. Steve: I would recommend tabling this until the issue is resolved. We need to know if there is a variance in this application. MOTION: Nick made the motion to more clarification is available. favored. Motion carries. table this presentation until Mary second the motion. Ail MINOR DEVELOPMENT GUIDO'S SWISS INN-LOWERING WII~)OWS Guido Meyer: inches. I would like to lower the existing bar windows 14 Steve: The proposal is to lower the eastern elevation windows facing Galena St. I don't think the proposed windows affect the integrity of the style that this building has and I would recommend approval. MOTION: Nick made the motion to approval the presentation of Guido's Swiss Inn. Patricia second the motion. All approved. Motion carries. ANDRE' S-PAINT FRONT FACADE Andre Ulrych: The brick is already painted and we just want to repaint it. I would like to remove the three awnings and put in removable awnings (retractable). The awnings would be round and come out approximately 30 inches. The color scheme would be purple, light purple, pink and gold tweed. Mary: I like the color scheme but would rather see a purple band. 4 HPC Minutes June 9, 1987 Andre: I have four exits out of the first floor and in talking with the Building Department I could eliminate one of them. We would like to eliminate the exit on the alley side and put in glass. Our entry way is quite dark and the window would lighten it up. Charles: You wouldn't be able to bring the glass window the whole way to the floor. Bill: We would make our motion on the door contingent on the Building Dept. code. Steve: Staff has no comment on basically painting the existed painted brick. Our only concern is the painting of the presently stained wood that is in the storefront. Andre has resurrected the storefront from how it had been; it is not a faithful restoration but it does have a lot of the elements. I would suggest that the natural wood, as it accentuates the building not be painted. With regard to the doorway at this time it is a recessed doorway and there are some steps that go down into the alley. My concern is if it is glass it would be somewhat more noticeable and might impede with the sense of the storefront as you will see that window as you come to the alley. I would suggest that there be some consideration continuing the founda- tion stone where the concrete is now, where the step is. Zoe: I feel this building is one of the strongest in character that we have in the historical district equal to our major 95 or excellent. Painting the wood detract from the character of the building. There is no color on the palates of the 1900 anywhere close to any of the colors you have chosen. These color combina- tions would look good on a victorian in a residential area but for a commercial building I don't feel they are appropriate and they don't compliment the building. Andre: Originally when we put the oak on the front of the building I was in front of HPC and it was pointed out to me at the time that natural wood was not authentic and should be painted. Nick: The eye glass store next door when they remodeled kept the continuity of Andre's and I think you should keep that in mind. Andre: I want to lighten up the place. Mary: I don't like seeing brick painted another color than brick. Have you thought of what your XMAS decorations would look like on purple brick. 5 HPC Minutes June 9, 1987 Bill: I'm in agreement of all the changes you want to make. I would personally rather see a more historical color palate. Patricia: The color selection doesn't bother me. Andre: I met with an architect in town that works on historic buildings and that is what we came up with. MOTION: Mary made the motion that Andre's be allowed a window with the steps taken out. Nick second the motion. Steve: Is there concern about the mullions or foundation brick. Andre: I would be willing to put in mullions. Mary: You must have mullions and foundation stones that complete the building. All favored. Motion carries. NOTION: Mary: I move that you table the awning and the coloring until Andre decides what he really wants. Nick second the motion. Andre: Could I have a motion to remove the present awnings. MOTION: I'll reword the motion that Andre's Restaurant be approved as presented and his request to remove the present awnings and the second part of the motion is that they table the color selection of the proposed color scheme. Patricia second the motion. All approved. Motion carries. CATTLE CREEK STOREFRONT RECESS DOORWAY Bill: The next proposal is for the Cattle Creek storefront to recess the doorway at 529 E. Cooper. Dick Fallin: There is an existing vestibule and there is a pair of doors that exist flush with the outside facing the building. About three feet inside there is another doorway. We would like to relocate the doors on the outside and move them back into the recess. Steve: No historic photos were available for documentation. MO~ION: Charles made the motion to approve the change to the storefront at 529 E. Cooper Street as submitted. Patricia second the motion. All approved. Motion carries. HPC Minutes June 9, 1987 RUBEY PARK TRANSIT CENTER Bruce Able: This proposal is basically our request to make improvements to the Rubey Park Transit site. We are attempting to provide sufficient waiting space inside to handle the number of passengers that utilize the facility and also for ticket sales and restrooms. There are about 7,000 people that pass through during high season and 3,000 during summer. From the traffic perspective we are trying to create a traffic flow that allows vehicles to move through the parcel without having to back up. From a pedestrian point of view we are trying to integrate and create a more pedestrian flow (horseshoe). Augie Reno: The building will be centrally located where the existing shack is right now. It is a little over 1000 square feet. The tower will go towards the north east of the building. All the existing trees will be reutilized and planters will be integrated with benches. Mary: It looks like you are putting in brick side walking. Augie: It would be brick to match the mall border with a colored concrete inset so it will not duplicate the mall. We are intending to use high quality materials. We will have two waiting areas one on the east and one on the west. The central core of the building is basically a vestibule with some informa- tion, restrooms and drivers room. There will be benches on the outside. The building is a twin gabled building that intersects in the north south and east west direction. The building is a brick material with metal clad window system and the roof is metal. The tower will have four clocks one on each side. Steve: I think the choice of materials is generally approp- riate. At the final review I would suggest that all the elevat- ions be looked at. It seems to be that the metal roof is a modern element. Zoe: What would you suggest. Steve: Possibly a shake roof. I'm also concerned about the amount of landscaping and vegetation that is on the site. Patricia: What is the square footage of the depot right now at Rubey Park. Bruce: About 250 square feet. The new proposal is 1000 square feet. 7 HPC Minutes June 9, 1987 Patricia: I question the need for the two waiting rooms. Rarely do people have to stand out in the rain. Bruce: The majority of the increased area is due to the restrooms which Council directed us to install. Patricia: Another concern that no one has addressed is the condo owners by the alley. They are right there in the traffic. There is no provision for a walkway or a sidewalk or some kind of barrier for them. They step out and are in the traffic flow. Bruce: What our new proposal will do is relieve the traffic flow in the alley. The only traffic in the alley will be McDonalds vehicles and the property owners. Charles: This still does not provide a sidewalk. Patricia: there. What is the significance of having the buses stored Bruce: In terms of the operating plan in the winter it is necessary for us during peak hours to have the vehicles parked there. The driver would have a two hour lunch and the vehicles stay here and then the buses go back into service. Having the vehicles here instead of going out to the bus barn saves on operating cost $25,000 per year. Zoe: I like the clock tower and the materials are well select- ed. I also feel the roof is compatible. Mary: My only concern is the snow coming off the metal roof. I think you should consider heating that sidewalk for snow melt. MO~ION: Mary made the motion to accept the plan presented for preliminary approval. Charles second the motion. All favored except Patricia. Motion carries. 8