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HomeMy WebLinkAboutminutes.hpc.19860227HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMITTEE REGULAR MEETING-CONTINUED FEBRUARY 27,1986 CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS MINUTES ROLL CALL:Georgeann Waggaman, Pat O Bryan, Bill Poss, Nick Pasquarella,Mary Martin, Charles Cunniffee,excused, Marge Riley, Zoe Compton, staff Steve Burst .n. Work session should be set in City Hall, and should be open to the public if they wish to attend. A work session is set for 1 o'clock on March 4th, in the City Council Chambers. Ail applicants were notified to this meeting being continued from February 25, because lack of a quorum. Bill Poss steped down and left the room for this presentation. Public Hearing -Chitwood building lighting plan Kim Well giving the presentation, from Bill Poss's office. Public hearing opened. These is an exterior lighting plan, on Mill and Main,Chitwood Building. Asking the board if they went by the building to see the lighting? There is two place on the top of the building now, and they want twelve, which is every other window. It is like the one over the sign "Cantina". It is white at the moment, but color is being worked on. Weil said that at night when the lights are on in the office portion of the building, the owner is placing wooden slates, louvers, shammie wood, to cut down the florescent shine. Mary Martin said that when the board has given suggestions that the applicant has not always followed the idea, and if it is worded such in a motion there will be no confusion. Mary Martin said what goes on the window inside in a victorian is a visual,as the outside is, and should be consider part of the exterior. Georgeann Waggaman said that perhaps when asking Council to have 1 HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMITTEE REGUALR MEETING-CONTINUED FEBRUARY 27,1986 CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS MINUTES color control come into control of HPC state and include control that is three window. that also that the code inches behind Georgeann Waggaman said HPC would like to see the shutters as close to the color of the building as possible. The awnings are going to stay green. There are lights at the top that are presently white, and loop out over the building,and then block out of some of the light from the offices with the shutters. Inside the awnings will be a low voltage fixture, shown on the second cut sheet, which lights the planter boxes, and washes the building down below. Pat O'Bryan said she has noticed the two samples,on the right hand side of the buidling. Charles Cunniffee what type of wattage? Weil, low voltage will be 20 watts, above, will be 40 which is over there now might not be bright enough. Cunniffee said the lights that come down from the parafit,the sign was the one lite painted green, that might be a option. Weil said the manufacture has the light in white only. If the white is to harsh, it can be painted, if the lights were painted green they would stand out a lot more. Steve Burstein,illumination is the issue, which HPC does not have control over, there should be fewer fixtures or less illumination. Georgeann Waggaman, said that HPC should of lighting be keep at the softest and wish less fixtures or lower lighting. recommend,that the level lowest possible. If they Well said that it is shown in the drawings that, the upper lights would go along Mill Street and then you have that little 45, and then they would go along Main Street, but they would not turn the corner and go back in to the court yard on top, just the ones in the awnings would be in the court yard too. 2 HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMITTEE REGUALR MEETING-CONTINUED FEBRUARY 27,1986 CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS MINUTES MOTION Mary Martin moved to approve the plan for the Chitwood building lighting which includes the voltage be as low as possible, that the light fixtures themselves be painted on the exterior only, the same color as the building, and the louvers that are put on the inside be as close as possible to the color of the building. Seconded by Nick Pasquarella, discussion;none; vote, all in favor, motion carried. It was asked that Bill Poss come back into the meeting. Georgeann Waggaman, wrote the motion on the plans. Discussion The board discussed the idea of whether to take a stand on using wood, metal or metal clading on windows on historic buildings. Mary Martin said her concerns are the old doors the down stairs windows, and the awnings, the height of a kick plate and the width of framing around the windows should be HPC concern,and what shows visually from the street level. Nick Paquarella said he would like to see the vote done for each case,architecture do their own thing, and would like to see the design and then make a decision at that time. Pat O' Bryan, voted against this, but the color was more of a concern,but since they are changing the color, she would vote in favor of it. Bill Poss, HPC is here to preserve the older buildings, and the goal is any historic structure,over time HPC goal is to get it back to the orginal historic structure as you can, so each time an applicant comes to ~PC to remodel, HPC goal, is to get back historical quality and features. You can not set a definite statement that it has to be, what needs to be considered in each case is the portion of frame to the window glass. Charles Cunniffee,each ones has to be review as an individual case. Georgeann Waggaman , is not opposed to metal windows but feels 3 HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMITTEE REGUALR MEETING-CONTINUED FEBRUARY 27,1986 CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS MINUTES that the detailing needs to be looked at along with portion of width of the frame, and the detailing on the metal, goes,can be one to look like wood in effect... Public Hearing and Final reveiw Woods building window replacement 432 E. Hyman, Norman Bacheldor Bacheldor stated that before in the preliminary review, the intent is to replace the windows existing using the same sill,thickness and style. Showing the board pictures of the building, after the fire. And the applicant stated that the plan was to replace it to this the wide style, the orginal had a more angle,outside sill, if HPC wants the applicant could angle that sill, the present sills are rotted, and will be replaced. Georgeann Waggaman said that HPC wants to go back to the sloping sill. Bacheldor said the windows that are being replaced are the plate glass windows,they will have the wide style on them, the only difference an additional request and to keep seperate, because that sill is exposed to the weather on the southern side , they would like to take the metal and continue it over the sill. The metal they have is a blue cladding,it duplicates the color there now, also the windows are a single pane of glass, and they wish to put double pane in. Up stairs, which is the office of Alby Kerns and Hookers hair solon, there are two changes the applicant is requesting. One is in Kerns office, to provide ventilation in the conference room, the applicant would like to place double hung windows. Second,the Hooker's hair solon, the windows are right now about 5 feet high and would like them to go all the way to the floor which in 18 inches of the floor, this would also be a double hung fixed window. There will be a double hung on both sides and a fixed window inbetween. The changes are above the courtyard of Toro's. 4 HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMITTEE REGUALR MEETING-CONTINUED FEBRUARY 27,1986 CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS MINUTES Georgeann Waggaman stated that the when you have a painted edge, it is soft edge, with metal would get a crisper bend in it, this tends to make it more modern, and more metaly. Can you make the metal edge softer? Bacheldor said yes, you can roll them slightly different, rather than a sharp end, you can roll them with a quarter inch roll to it. Georgeann Waggaman said she feels that HPC feels it is fine for the upper floor to have metal, but there is still a question of the first floor, there has been given preliminary approval on the metal, but the board is having strong thoughts on that now. Preliminary review approval was given for the grey plastic clading. Now the request is for a metal pella. First Motion Mary Martin moved to approve the second story, the Hooker's portion and the Kern's portion be allowed the metal windows,the double hung windows metal clad frames,Charles Cunniffee seconds, all in favor, motion carried. Second Motion Mary Martin moves to approve the window framing of the windows themselves, on the first floor, must be approved at the same width as the same design only metal clad in the blue, the same color as now, and no change in the style of the window frame. motion DIES due to lack of a second. Discussion; Bill Poss said he feels that the whole store front should remain wood. Since HPC is trying to see things get back to the orginal. MOTION Bill Poss moves to allow the placement of store front windows of the Woods building on the first level,Hyman Stret side of Aspen Drug,and Wax and Wicks, to closely duplicate the historic nature of those windows as possible, allowing to have insulated glass, and Galena Street; The court Yard windows can also be replaced,but they should also duplicate the architeture at 5 HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMITTEE REGUALR MEETING-CONTINUED FEBRUARY 27,1986 CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS MINUTES present, or a presentation to HPC of up grading those windows. the frames that supoort that glass be maintain as wood. Mary Martin,seconds, discussion,none Vote,all in favor, motion carried. And Steve Burstein asked that photo's be brought in to be stamped, and can be seen in the planning office. Bill Poss asked for an admendement to the motion, Amendment to MOTION That the applicant summit to HPC the sample of wood and sketches or photo's that explains to HPC how they are going to duplicate the window frames, second Charles, all in favor, motion carried. Steve Bustein asked if HPC should make a second motion on the sills? Georgeann Waggaman said she feels the sill is covered with Poss motion,windows, as historical. Adding to MOTION, documented on plans. Georgeann Waggaman, approve this item on condition that applicant,shows Burstein detailing,and note: that blue clading match existing. Nick Pasquarella leaves the meeting. Esprit-discussion Harry Teague is not present for the presention. referring to Steve Burstein memo. a,b.c,d,e, f, are attachements including the elevations. Meeting is closed,discussion continues. adjourn. 6 MINUTES HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMITTEE REGUALR MEETING-CONTINUED FEBRUARY 27,1986 CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS