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HomeMy WebLinkAboutminutes.hpc.19860527HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMITTEE REGULAR MEETING MAY 27,1986 MINUTES: ROLL CALL: Nick Pasquarella,Charles Cunniffe, Mona Frost, Pat O'Bryan, Bill Poss,Georgeann Waggaman,staff,Bill Drueding,Steve Burstein. Excused Marge Riley,Zoe Compton,Mary Martin. OLD BUSINESS: ADMENDMENT TO BRAND BUILDING ROOF TOP STRUCTURE BRAND BUILDING 203 S. GALENA, WELTON ANDERSON After the discussion on whe~ther a gable roof is or is not approiate for the Brand building, the National Park service said, said it was approved except for the Gable roof,they want to see a flat roof instead. The plan shown today is the revised roof structure, the columns are intacted, and the roof flaten out. MOTION_admendement to Brand building roof structure Charles Cunniffe moved to approve the admend plan for the Brand Building roof top structure at 203 S. Galena,seconded by Nick Pasquarella, all in favor motion carried. Admended Plans can be seen in the planning office. 330 E. PUBLIC HEARING FINAL REVIEW HOTEL JEROME Main, addition, Doug Graybenl and Parry Harvey presenting- Public hearing opened. Parry Harvey went over his meeting with the~state Historical the~ Society and the Park Service who review plans for the addition. There concerns were the method that the applicant used to attach the building was great, keeping the garden open on Mill Street,and between the too. The question of the parfit around the additon is ~qp~icat~ng the orginal Hotel, the park service did not want t~ pai~fit to duplicate the historic at all. They said that an addition should not be to different from the historic but should not be to much like it. The plan now for the addition is to have plain brick. The other item that came up was the horizontal banding on the hotel to carry the historic thought,the histo~c has these band of metal or sandstone, they wish the applicant to use less sandstone, because it was to much like the historic. They said use it on the lower level, and use a brick quartering to carry that horiztonal HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMITTEE REGULAR MEETING MAY 27,1986 MINUTES: element up above,which is fine with the applicant. The hotel as do other buildings in Aspen have a straight facade on the street,they wish the applicant to maintian that. The state wants the them to keep the facade in a straight line,on the property line,square corners. They talked about the breaking up of the facade on the Bleeker side elevation,and they felt if the applicant could use the varing plane effect, that is on the front of the Jerome,that was the preferred way to do it. The plans here show that motif. Showning the drawing to HPC which reflect the comments from HPC and the National park service, remarked Larry Yaw. The plans reflect all but the rod iron detail~ The only sandstone, that being taken out of the plan is the sandstone that was hortizal banding the middle portion of the building,that is replaced by a brick quartering. The sand stone pediments will stay on the building The annex is the connection between the new and the old, and remains the kitchen. Plans can be seen in the Planning office. Steve Burstien said from the planning office point of view, his comments, the sandstone the lost of the standstone horitztal bands, does HPC want to take a stand, do they feel stronger to maintain the bands, or do they agree with the state? The applicant likes the new idea of quartering. The land used concerns,P&Z is concern about the height on Bleeker street. The open space planning. Burstien said the historic open space is more rustic than the new plan of placing pavers and making it an outdoor patio area,it is now more of a outdoor urban space. It will be a urban open space the applicant state,it will be entended for the use of people and plenty of green in it. They want it not just for flower and plants but people also, they want it to complement the activity of people than to dominate it. 2 HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMITTEE ~ REGULAR MEETING AJ MAY 27,1986 MINUTES: The applicant stated there will be a six foot high fence rod iron fence, with a gate on it, which inables the the property to be see~hen need be. They will use a brick paver, and use a landscaping plan of greenry, it will be strutured more of a victorian urban garden. There will be flowers and planter in the area. the back part will have a lot of landscaping theme, the public area will have structured planters, and trees. Georgeann Waggaman said she would like it soften by using more green on the ground than the idea of all the pavers. The applicant said they are trying to make it a place for people but in the process make it people proof. Poss asked Burstein in concern for the height was it only Bleeker that they were concern about. Burstien said that is the elevation that concerns planning the most. Parry said this is an issue that does not concern HPC as much as will it be address in the P&Z meeting. Ther~will be shadow studies made for this project. And there is a set back compared to the Wells plan presented before. The applicant has address the massing of the new building and fit with the massing of the other building, and is historic compatible and arctectual compatible with the historic building and have done a good job with bring it along to make it look like it fits in, stated Bill Poss. He also agrees with the applicant if you try to use lawns and grass on h~rtizT-a-l--service,it does not maintain as well. Harvey said the garden area will be used a lot, for private parties, lunch, and there will be a lot of activit~ from the bar, the dinning room,the use will go up dramatica~from what has historical been out there. Waggaman said she still would like to see grass placed somewhere, for greenry, and that the fence the applicant mention being six feet tall, would be as low as the code requires, the low fence and the greenry behind it is, would give the feeling of what was there before. The fence on the plans is shown at 42 inches,but the applicant does want to state a higher one, incase it needs to be required. Close Public Hearing and final review. HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMITTEE REGULAR MEETING MAY 27,1986 MINUTES: Motion Hotel Jerome-addition Bill Poss moves to approve the drawnings as submitted by the applicant with the condition that they.keep HPC informed of any changes that do occur,in the on going process, second by Nick Pasquarella,all in favor, motion carried, approved plans can be seen in the planning office,with the stamp of approval given. FOLLOW UP ON ASPEN GROVE BUILDING VALANCES:WELTON ANDERSON Anderson address the issue of the valances on the first floor and the stairway overhang. This is an over all masterplan for the lower level of the Aspen Grove Building, the upper level of the Aspen Grove building awnings has been approved by HPC already. HPC had request the applicant to shown the plans of the lower floor before all approval were to be granted. Drueding said that all the lower ones need to be retactable. The applicant said they might go before the board of appeals, for the awnings to be fixed. MOTION LOWER LEVEL AWNINGS ASPEN GROVE BUILDING Charles Cunniffe moved to. approve the awnings fQr~_t, he lower level of the Aspen Grove Building as~ubmitted a~ ~ be seen in the planning office, second Pat O"Sryan,all in favor, motion carried. Welton Anderson asked the members to ce~a~rrn signage for the Aspen Grove Building. Drueding said with the sign code, it does not allow for signage for the second floor stores or any of the stores in the interior section of the court yard,require a variances. Asking for a resolution and support of the request for applicant for a variance allowing the applicant ~f lettering on the awnings They should be like what is on the Aspen Rod and Gun Club, the lettering might look like that, but the valances is what the stores will duplicate, and the lettering of some kind will be placed on that valance on the lower level. They will be white on green in color and the sane style will be used, with possible different %ett~ring on th~valance~ one for each store, the stairway will lust say ~Retall Shops up stairs, they would like 4 HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMITTEE REGULAR MEETING MAY 27,1986 MINUTES: the valance which is about 9 inches to reflect the retail sign on all three sides. Waggaman said that she does not want to see Retail shops up stairs three times, maybe on the sides but not on the front, on both stairways 6 times is way to much. Welton Anderson, shown a sample of a resolution that used for this issue to give to the Board Of Ajustment. could be Nick Pasquarella and Bill Poss felt that this should not come before this board. Charles Cunniffe said he feels that HPC should recommend there thoughts to the BOA. The board discussed the sign issue and felt that Bill Drueding handles most of the signage and is the code officer to enforce such codes, that he should direct the applicant. But HPC does not have any problem with the idea of the type of signage the applicant is going to request at the BOA meeting. This board is not approving the signage because the members have not looked at the actual signs proposed but agreed on the concept of them only. No motion will be made on the singage for the Aspen Grove Building. PRELIMINARY REVIEW ADDITION TO THE SHAFROTH HOUSE 530 W. HALLAM STEVE PRUDDEN AND JOHN SHAFROTH. THIS HOUSE IS ON THE CORNER OF 5TH AND HALLAM,there is a new addition that has been built onto the house in 1960's,the house is on the notible struture for Aspen. Showning the board pictures and drawings of the proposed plans for the addition which will include an new dinning room for family gatherings. The architect plans to keep the addition seperate from the older part of the house, the house has had other additons placed in 1970 and a porch added in the 1950's What will be seen with the addition is from the side elevation which will be a modern addition and close to the street, this will have to have an encraochment, because it does encroach on the alley, by the current zoing laws, but it will be less of an encroachement than what is there now the sheds. Cunniffe said he would like to see a Gable roof than the shed roof as shown. 5 HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMITTEE REGULAR MEETING MAY 27,1986 MINUTES: He would like to see the exterior more comaptible with the building, the look of a shed does not fit Aspen in general. The applicant said in the plans you can see the door is above grade and you se four steps going up to the door,question would the board like to see the whole thing go down a couuple of feet? Board Yes, there is no reason to make it high,Waggaman stated. It is not even done to have the solor gain. Waggaman said that perhaps the applicant can plant some trees by the porch section, ~t when ones eyes would not find it so starling with the addition the detailing simpler and not grab ones atten~on. Bill Drueding said this is the first he has seen the plans, and ther~does seem to be a zoing problem and should talk to him at the building department, before comming back to HPC. Burstein said it seems to be a mass of enough of a structure to block the neighbor behind, at the height plane, and needs to be consider The board would like to see a gable roof, a flush type dorimer or skylight. The applicant was directed to talk to Drueing from the Building department and Steve Burstien to find more direction for the plans presented today, go back to the drawing board and then come back to HPC. POPCORN WAGON-PRELIMINARY REVIEW PRELIMINARY REVIEW POPCORN WAGON,RELOCATION NW CORNER MILL STREET and Hyman,LIL LIVELY AND DAN ARROW PRESENTING. Georgeann Waggaman said that in the presentation, the board whats to know is what is happening with the tree? Dan Arrow open by stating that there are two big fur trees on the lot, a cherry tree over next to the Wheeler Square, the applicant said that they will not touch the cherry tree but proposed to trim the fur trees,so people can walk underneath them, about six feet from the ground. Right now one of the tree, the bows touch the ground the other side of the tree the limbs are about six feet high, and they will need trimming to even out the look of the trees. The sitting will be near one of the trees. CCLC recommendation was to place tree grates around the trees 6 HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMITTEE REGULAR MEETING MAY 27,1986 MINUTES: to protect their roots. The parking spot will be eliminated,showing the drawings,first how it looks now, and the proposed plan of the applicant. The applicant will be ~ing the area with paving bricks, the popcorn wagon itself will be almost totally on the exsisting parking space. The reason to park it there was because of the fire relation, it need to be 20 feet from the other building. The applicant has gone through the CCLC, City Council and will be having a Public Hearing at CC and there is a P&Z hearing on this item. CCLC suggestion were the tree grades, and they want the applicant to come before them with their lighting plan,but request them to place conduit. Burstein asked about~-he benches,and if they were in the public right of way? The applicant stated that CCI~ did not want the benches on the Mill Street side unless they could see how it would work, it looked to close to the trees on the Mall. They did like the idea of benches of the Hyman street if they did not encroach on the public right of way. Their lease is up to the property line of the Wheeler Square. The planters will be a dark brown brick, about the same color as the dark mall brick, and about 30 inches high and will place flowers and trees in them. Waggaman said this is comming to be an urban park setting. Burstein attended the CCLC meeting, and his comments was that there be more greenry at less next to waterfall hope,but the response was that grass does not grow well there it is to shady,he would like to see less paved surface, and some green area in its place,besides the planters. Drueding said the issue of open space and the sitting of the restaurant will have to go before P&Z for review. Waggaman asked if bark chips could be used to soften up around the base of the trees. Arrow said the problem with that idea is the bricks will need to be washed down every day, and there is concern of the mud. 7 HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMITTEE REGULAR MEETING MAY 27,1986 MINUTES: Waggaman said there is such a hard surface,.if only something can be done to soften the look,maybe some tree~with barkchlpS would buffer that wall.,Maybe a attractive fence would look nice. Poss said that the applicant needs a better landscaping plan and should come back to HPC this plan is harsh, and needs to be soften, but that up to the applicant to do. Pat O' Bryan said the only problem she has is with the cutting of the beautiful trees, and wants consideration that the tr~es don't get cut to much. The applicant said that the one on the right, is al~dy lop~ sided, there is a hole on the left side , and then the limbs on the other go down to the ground, if the limbs went all the way to the ground he would not of consider cutting the tree. The other one is already cut up about 5 feet. Waggaman asked if .~e tables really had to go that close to the trees,if the appl61ant would bring the tables out closer to the mall, then they couold let the trees grow closer to the ground, that way the space in back would be blocked out. Cunniffe said the applicant should do a have it look more like the mall. park like setting,than Pasquarella likes the idea of keeping the wagon in town, it has historic value, and this is the only property that the wagon can be placed on at this time. Waggaman said she has no problem with the preliminary approval with consideration at the Public hearing on the suggeastion HPC has given the applicant,June 24th will be the Public Hearing. The applicant asked that HPC approval with the admendement of the applicant leaving a line perhaps between those t~rees undeveloped at this point. MOTION PRELIMINARYLPOPCORN WAGON LOCATION Nick Pasquarella moved to approve for preliminary approval with asking their consideration to rearrange the softening of the degree of landscaping more to HPC suggestions, second by Pat O'Bryan,all in favor,motion carried. 8 HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMITTEE REGULAR MEETING MAY 27,1986 MINUTES: PRELIMINARY REVIEW FENCE ATTACHED TO HAMILTON RESIDENCE 533 W. BLEEKER SUZANNE REID CHARLES CUNNIFFE LEAVES T~E MEETING,SUZANNE REID FROM CUNNIFFE OFFICE PRESENTS THE PLANS. Proposal for a fence being added, it will be a six feet high cedar fence, it is a the farest corner of the house,and will abut the house. Rich Head fence will but up against the proposed Hamilton fence. The fence will be painted white MOTION-Hamilton fence Poss moves to approve the fence as submitted by the applicant,second by Nick Pasquarella, all in favor motion carried. Plans of fence can be seen in planning office. Cunniffe joins the meeting is progress: Public Hearing- Preliminary review- PITKIN COUNTY COURTHOUSE ATTIC 506 E. MAIN, DAVID GIBSON PUBLIC HEARING OPEN: PLACING 12 PLANS ON THE WALL FOR THE MEMBERS TO REVIEW. The county would like to put the court system u~n the the court house and expand the what they have. attic of HPC will be looking at the visual effect of the plans. The court house had some remodeling done two years ago, On the 1890's photograph, had some roof parafits that had been removed, and two years ago added the parafits to the roof back on. This plan deals with the attic and historical nothing has been done in the attic space, there will work around all the structure that is already there, taking out little of the building that is already there, creat~ing walls or box beams. Historical the inside has had about five colors, now it will be salmon with cream trim. This has gone before the State Society and the county commissioners, The deparment of the Interior had no problem with the changes and 9 HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMITTEE REGULAR MEETING MAY 27,1986 MINUTES: felt it would not be a strong impact on the nature of the building. The applicant will use the grand set of stairs up into the attic, extending the space. The movement will continue up in the same way, as you comer up the stairs light will come down into the great staircase, and you will be able to look up and see the tower. Court rooms will be placed up there. The plan is to have a lot of skylighting and some recess dormier windows, the location of the skylights are for interior needs, and all the skylights are on the flat portion of the roof except for 3 of them. the blue squares show the skylights on the plans. There are three skylights that hide behind,a parfaits on the south west corner. Those are massed behind the parafits. The recess dormiers,the reason for these is it does not change the roof line, none will be on the Main Street elevation, on the east there will be some recess dormiers, but are very low, and are hard to see, on the west side the plans is to have 4 recess dormiers, these are the highest recess dormiers because the floor raises up . The dormier will be like a window well. The west side the members have some problems with that of the new plans with the dormiers. Cunniffe asked if the dormiers could be lower somehow. portion Could this offices have skylights? Poss said it looks like what the applicant has proposed will be of.3~ impact that you are going to find, and it does not attract from the ~ui%ding, or the orginal architectual of the building ~ The board felt half and half for the dormiers on the one side, where they would be seen as one drove up Main Street Waggaman said that she feels that these dormiers will really stand out. Gibson said that they can make the plan work without these three dormiers, they are more of a skylight space, the dormier will be on wood material, painted to match the roofing,~ brown. Historic Society, Carol said she agrees with Waggaman that the change is radical and hates to see a major building changed this much. 10 MI NUTES: HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMITTEE REGULAR MEETING MAY 27,1986 Motion Court House Attic Nick Pasquarella moved to approve as shown this date, for Public Hearing and final review approve.~the East and North elevation and no windows on the West elevati6n for the Pitkin County Court House attic,second by Charles Cunniffe,all in favor, motion carried, plans can be seen in the Planning office Files Meeting adjourn; Work session: National Registry nomination selections. Aspen Comprehensive Plan Historic District Guidelines 11