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HomeMy WebLinkAboutminutes.hpc.19861125MINUTES HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING NOVEMBER 25,1986 ROLL CALL: Georgeann Waggaman, Nick Pasquarella, Mona Frost, Martin, Bill Poss, Pat O'Bryan, staff Bill Drueding Steve Burstein. Mary OLD BUSINESS: FINAL REVIEW-PUBLIC HEARING SHAFROTH HOUSE ADDITION Sarah Graham the architect presenting for the owner Diana Shafroth Showing the members the drawings and explaining that the applicant has done some of the suggested changes, and from the elevation from the Hallam Street size the only thing visible beyond roof in the back ground, the entry area addition, and on 5th the back door entrance, the roof is the same pitch as the original house, to have the addition not separate but to have it tuck in as possible, planting a number of trees 4 of them on the north elevation. The board had ask to break up the long wall, and the applicant has added a dormer to help that. The windows are double hung windows, and they will use the same material that is on the house now, there is a green asphalt roofing to be continued, the siding continued, same color, Burstein stated that what has been done with the matching of the materials and the windows, and the roof line, is reasonable good, the massing is still odd. The structure protrudes out but does tell you what new and what old, but the addition should be tuck back a little more. Graham said that plans were done this way to keep the view of the neighbor of Ajax Mountain the same as before. Burstein said by keeping half of the garage it doers look like half of a garage, and that is not appropriate, but his recommen- dation for it to be approved. Graham said there is a full garage and an existing shed now, for storage purposes,an encroaches on the alley, and this would not be allow now with the code. Drueding explained the code. Shafroth said because of the code they might not have a garage, after listening to the code. D rueding said the applicant could applied to the board of MINUTES HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING NOVEMBER 25,1986 variance. Public Hearing open: Farino- Historic Society, said she likes these plans much better. L. Stapleton,neighbor, likes the plans. Waggaman said she agrees with Burstein that the massing is different,materials will stay the same but the design is compati- ble but not like the original house. Martin said that is a shame to give up the garage when it was there. HPC felt that with these plans there recommendation would be for a variance to leave the garage as shown in these plans this date: Close Public Hearing Motion-Sharoth house addition 530 W. Hallam Nick Pasquarella moves to accept this as presented this date with the suggestion that the applicant go for a variance to save the garage, second by Mary Martin, all in favor, motion carried. Approved plans can be see in the planning office. Burstein will address a letter to the Board of Adjustment, advising them of HPC feelings. AMENDMENT TO FINAL APPROVAL HOTEL fence along the alley selection presenting with Doug Graybeal. JEROME ADDITION property line of materials, Parry Harvey Parry Harvey said there request involves the wooden fence along the Aspen Times, and it will be six feet in height, this is where the Spruce trees are, where the placement of the fence the property drops 3 1/2 feet towards the rear, and the request is to continued the fence to have an even line and abuts into the new hotel building. This will go to the board of adjustment because of the height of the fence in some places. The one place where there is security problem is in the dead inn alley. This is one of the reasons to have a higher fence than to let the fence drop down when the property line drops down the 3 1/2 feet, to MINUTES HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING NOVEMBER 25,1986 maintain the six foot fence. Drueding rejected the drawing of the fence because of the height, the highest will be the 9.3. It will be a wood plank/ slate fence, there will be a rod iron fence with a gate in front but that will be about 4 1/2 feet high. Motion fence _ Hotel Jerome Mary Martin moves to approve the fence and recommends that a variance be given for a fence not to exceed more than 10 feet high and no less than six feet for the Hotel Jerome as present- ed and shown on the plans, second by Mona Frost, all in favor, motion carried. Doug Graybeal for the materials on the Hotel Jerome: Showing the board the plans, stating that the applicant has found a brick that matches that color is 702 Rosemold, that is so close to the brick on the Jerome now,it is a clean line, the sandstone is from a local colorado stone company, a mesa red sandstone, which is as close as they could find, the high light brick is robinson brick company flamingo, and the soldier course will be on top of this brick. The board felt that the sandstone look at the bottom of the building had not been discussed, being replaced by brick. The board felt that the old building had the sandstone at the base. Burstein said that the set of plans that he remembers does not have the approval of removing the sandstone band at the base. The sandstone,9/23/86 was approved, and where not any changes to the approved plans.And this seems to be anew issues at this time. On Mill Street, a site visit needs o be done, both applicant and board seem to have a different opinion of what is there now. The applicant was asked to come back and make a presentation on the banding and the sandstone, and have this portion of tabled till next meeting. Motion Materials-Hotel Jerome MINUTES HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING NOVEMBER 25,1986 Mary Martin moved to approve the material for the Hotel Jerome as stated in letter from the Hotel Jerome to Steve Burstein November 18, 1986 and included in the packet the colors and materials and condition that the applicant come back at the next meeting,with more study of the sandstone and brick at the founda- tion level, seconded by Pat O'Byran, all in favor, motion carried. 219 W. Hallam Frank Ross asked to be placed on the agenda, to get the feel of what the board feels about a miners cabin, Bob Appleton has a house on the historic list, Ross would like to buy this property moratorium is on the house right now, but this does not mean that the house can not be moved it just can not be torn down at this time, this is one of the last miner cabins, that hasn't been adulterate, the scale, concept, the look. Ross said he would donate the house because of where in is setting on the lot, 450 square feet,and the lot is 6,000 but the lot seems to small, to move this to the corner of the lot and building a house on the other part of the lot. If the city could use this as a hut or something else the city could maintain this as a historic structure, but need not kept it in it location. The board thought that the historic society should have this and other like this one to be a part of the museum, and not to go ahead and building a new building for the museum, that the historic society should protect these buildings. There should be a place found for this little building, and other building like this one that need to be saved. Carol Ferino said she would like a letter from HPC and that some of the members come to the next board meeting, and give the historic society the thoughts and feelings of HPC that the society should not build new building but consider protecting these little houses and use them on the historic society property. 4 MINUTES HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING NOVEMBER 25,1986 Waggaman asked that the house try to be kept on the lot of the original property. Mary Martin said that the city owns the Marlot property, and perhaps the house could be placed. The moratorium has four more months to go, and HPC will work on the placement of these house. Mona Frost, said that she feels that many committee in town regulate to much of what Aspen should dO, it getting to be fenced in,but would like to kept some of the old houses. A straw vote was taken, said that in a case like this , the committee was willing to let this house be moved,but not destroy- ed. It was stated that there needs to be a preapplication to HPC before coming before this board again. POPCORN WAGON POPCORN WAGON: The applicant would like to add to the Commissary adding to what is there, the applicant has not cover the dumpster that was agreed on early, 96 square feet a 10 by 10 and match the existing, and tuck under the tree that is all ready there and it already paved under there,12 by 9, Burstein stated.. The board felt that there should be a condition place on any approval because the applicant has not cover the dumpster. This would be for storage, the board feels that the old approval and plans should be reviewed, so many applicants are coming back after approvals have been given and adding more to there applica- tions , that might not be approved at the time of the first approvals. Dan Arrow and Lil Lively arrive at the meeting. Burstein said that he does not want the trees to be effected but that the storage shed does not have much of a impact Arrow said when they first applied they kept it down to the minimum, but at sometime they knew they would need changes,and have to add to what had been approved. 5 MINUTES HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING NOVEMBER 25,1986 The spaces around where they would rent for storage are so placed that they would need to lock the wagon up to go to the storage area. Tabled: That this was not on the agenda and that it be tabled till such time that it is, with the understanding that the board feels that the applicant has not complied with the agreement of the approval already granted. Hotel Jerome- Doug Graybeal He came back to inform the members , that it was not brick on the Jerome as he had stated earlier, that it is a different kind of brick at the base on the bottom, there is a sandstone course that goes across it is not a high grade sandstone it is a ruble rock, that is a band, but it is not a brick,and will come before HPC at the next meeting about this. Resolution 86-1 The members talked about the resolution and the 3 other drafts, getting this ready to give to P&Z and then forwarding to City Council, and what changes they still want changed. This is on P&Z December 2, and the 16th. For the 16th meeting the 188 individual owners will be notified and a quorum of HPC and P&Z will be needed. Motion Pat O"Bryan moved to approve to accept resolution 86-1 with the changes and to directed to Steve Burstein to rewrite it and to have Georgeann Waggaman sign it, seconded by Nick Pasquarella,all in favor, motion carried. Mary Martin was voted to become a regular member from an alterna- te by City Council .It was suggested that Bill Poss write a letter requesting to be placed as a regular when available, and that perhaps, support Pauli Hayes as an alternate. Meeting adjourn.