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HomeMy WebLinkAboutminutes.hpc.19851008Historic Presevation Committee Regular Meeting October 8, 1985 1:00 P.M. City Conference Room Roll Call:Nick Pasquarella, Mona Frost,Pat O' Bryan, Marge Riley, Z oe Compton, Gretchen Greenwood, Mary Martin,Steve Burstein. The minutes of the September 24 th were approved as read. NEW BUSINESS PRELIMINARY REVIEW-COWENHOVEN BUILDING NORTHEAST ENTRANCE WAY AND AWNINGS-501 E. HYMAN Robert Brunkan asking for approval for the Aspen Arcade Building,entry on North east entrance,or referred to as the Ute City Banque Building. What the architect would like to do is to remove the existing doors on the Hyman Street elevation and move that back into the facade of the interior of the building, and to add a awning. The existing awning is rather small, and the applicant would like to extend the canopy of similar design over the sidewalk. In 1966 the photo's show the Ute City Banque was a seperate building. And that created an entry mall effect on Galena Street, to enter the interior of the large building. The proposed design would make the entry way more of a portico entry, more like the entry on Galena Street. This will create a more inviting entry, and provide a safer entry, the request for the new awning will come out and protect the steps into the building. There has been an encroachement granted for this space for a smaller awning exsisting out on the sidewalk. Showning the board a letter address to them from Elyse Elliot, engineering department, that an encroachement license will be alter to accommodate these awnings. Gretchen Greenwood referring to the letter from Elyse Elliot, Historic Presevation Committee Regular Meeting October 8, 1985 1:00 P.M. City Conference Room saying that the post four foot from the curb, members stated it would be in the walk way for people who use the sidewalk. It was stated that by applicant that Elliot has revised the four feet to say three feet. It was brought up that the Building department requires that all awnings need to be retracable, and that a variance is needed when the awnings are not. The members discussed the location of the post and the width of the sidewalk. A site visit is needed because of the location. on the sidewalk, Mona Frost moved to table the vote for the awning. The applicant said even though the picture shows a barrel shape awning, it will be more square type, and different from the Galena Street side, as purposed before. Gretchen Greenwood moved to approve the new entry doors for the Aspen Arcade, and table the decision on the awnings till a site visit can be made, seconded by Nick Pasquarella, Discussion: Burstein, this is preliminary review,then final review later? Frost,yes. The applicant asked if...there were no poles invloved, if the applicant can structually support the canopy without the poles, can the applicant get a reading on the design, of the awnings? Mona Frost, directed the members to vote on the motion,or admend the motion. Gretchen Greenwood said that the awnings would have to be really redesign, you are talking about a 8 foot awning. The applicant said there are awnings that exist, that protrude 9 feet, that are self supporting,retractable, they are designed to be retracable, design wise, but actually would cover the doors Historic Presevation Committee Regular Meeting October 8, 1985 1:00 P.M. City Conference Room if taken down to retractable. Vote called for: all in favor of the motion as stated, all the members voted for the motion,motion carried. Applicant asked for another motion to be made. This will go to public hearing. Nick Pasquarella moved to approve that the awning can be self supporting, that it be premitted,Mary Martin, seconded the motion, vote called, all in favor, motion carried. Burstein, preliminary approval is given for both motions? Frost, yes, site visit will be after this meeting. Hotel Jerome -flag pole Tim Richey asked for preliminary approval of a flag pole on the Hotel Jerome. The pole proposed would be 25-0" high and would extend approximately 20 feet-0" above the parapet wall, displaying the American flag. Richey stated that the flag pole will be set in the roof center, ten feet back from the front edge of the building roof, and project 20 feet above the parapet Zoe Compton withdrew from voting on this issue, but stated that she would make comments. The members did show concern for the type of glass windows that are in the Hotel Jerome right now, it was stated that a sign is posted and the windows are only temporiary, and the orginal windows are being dupicated and will be replacing the ones in there now. Compton said she did not know the size of flag, but that she could find out for the board, but that it would be a big one. Historic Presevation Committee Regular Meeting October 8, 1985 1:00 P.M. City Conference Room Frost asked if it would be the size of Compton,yes. Mary Martin,moved to approve that a flag Hotel Jerome, seconded by Gretchen Greenwood, Mona Frost, said with the pervision that code building regulations. Discussion: Zoe Compton said that maybe there because of airplanes? Will this be lite at night? Compton said that the Hotel will soft and have a glow around it. the flag on the fire station? be permitted on the it meets all of the some kind of light will need to be up be lite at night, and will be Burstein said that it would have to be clarified to City Code requirements. Vote Called, all in favor of the flag pole as it has been presented to HPC, for,5, against,l, Pat O'Bryan, 1,Zoe Compton did not vote. The members discussed if this was preliminary review or that preliminary and final review could be given, Bill Drueding was unable to attend this meeting, Patsy Newberry department head for the building department was called. Burstien said that a Public Hearing would be four weeks from now, Compton, said that would be to late for the Hotel Jerome people,that the applicant wants the Hotel finished by December 15th. Burtein said a public notice is 15 days and can be longer mattering meeting date and when the public notice is given to the Aspen Times. Mary Martin said that she still feels that the Daily News, times such as this, should be the news paper to adveritze in when the time limit is close. at Historic Presevation Committee Regular Meeting October 8, 1985 1:00 P.M. City Conference Room Nick Pasquarella said that he feels that the motion for approval for the Hotel Jerome can be admended to state that if it meets the building department and the City code requirements, then this issue need not have a public hearing as such. Mary Martin admended the motion to read that providing that the applicant meets the code requirements of the flag pole, there will be no necessary for a public hearing, and HPC will vote for final approval, Gretchen Greenwood seconds. The question ,is this issue minor enough not to require a Public Hearing, stated Steve Burstein. Vote,1 substains, 1 opposed, (because this did not go to Public Hearing,Pat O' Bryan,) the other members vote in favor, motion carried. The hotel flag pole issue has a non comforming height. Student workshop Discussion of confirmation of work shop with students for weekend of October 11-13. Some members can make it, and some can not, but the date remains the same. Sardy House colors Harry Teaque asked the members if they have seen the cream color, it is still a little to yellow for his taste with the green and black trim on the windows. They are still working with the colors, and are changing the color in the upper panel, that is suppose to be the natural color of the shingle color, which is quite a bit browner. Greenwood asked if they were using a gloss? Applicant said it was a flat base. Greenwood said that she felt that the trim should have a gloss, the windows have a shine and it would look better if the trim has a gloss effect. 5 Historic Presevation Committee Regular Meeting October 8, 1985 1:00 P.M. City Conference Room Mary Martin, said that HPC can suggest colors,She wonders why HPC gives their opinon of color,she feels that it should be public record how this group feels on the Sardy colors. Harry Teaque said the colors choosen for the Sardy House are historical victorian correct, but not historic for the Sardy House per say. The question of what color green had been on the building,a forest green or a moss green? It was probably a moss green,Harry Teaque stated. Zoe Compton, said its the green color she does not care for, it seems that the victorian ere chose a moss or olive green,not forest or hunter green. Pat O'Bryan, said that the color blackis such a rejection,but the one with the cream she likes better, but feels it has to much yellow. Hebert Buyers,color scheme she likes better with the white and light green. Mary Martin she likes the yellow and moss green, White is the most inviting color for a victorian brick. Gretchen Greenwood said she had no problem with the dark colors on the windows, and are they changing the color on the top to a beige. Marge Riley said the cream looks more of a yellow to her. The applicant said she was right but since she looked at the house they have changed the cream-yellow to more of a white Mona Frost said that from across the street you can not see the green, just the black. Maybe the dark green is a little to dark. The color that is being based on for choices, the color from Historic Presevation Committee Regular Meeting October 8, 1985 1:00 P.M. City Conference Room paint taken off the windows the applicant stated. Mary said that the green they have chosen is not the color of green that had been on the windows. It is a dark green, when you combine the black, and add hunter green, then look at the colors from a distance then, it looks like the orginal color, which is a dark green the applicant remarked. The colors Alice Rachel show the members were old, but not historic in age. Mona Frost said that the applicant now has the opinions of this committee for direction and choice of colors. No motion was made of this item. Preliminary Review;Tom's Market Renovation of Tom's Market space and other changes to the Elks building 506. E. Hyman. Harry Teaque The applicant has requested that this item be tabled to the October 15th. Special Meetings The members voted to have no more special meetings, and meetings should be scheduled on the 2nd and 4th Tuesday of the month. Gretchen Greenwood so moved, seconded by Pat O' Bryan, all in favor, motion carried. Mary Martin asked for an excused absence for October 15th through November 5th. Mona Frost has an excused absence for the 15th. Nick Pasquarella is excused, Georgeann Waggaman is excused. Pat O'Bryan said the minutes show that the gate can not be a orange, for the First National Bank, it was asked that Mona Frost will talk to Joanne Jones at the bank. and Steve Burstein will do a follow up letter. Historic Presevation Committee Regular Meeting October 8, 1985 1:00 P.M. City Conference Room Meeting adjourn Y