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HomeMy WebLinkAboutminutes.hpc.19810908RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS 100 Leaves HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMITTEE MINUTES FOR SEPTEMBER THE 8th,1981 The Historic Preservation Committee held its regular meeting on Tuesday, September8th,1981, in the Aspen City Council Chambers. Members present were: Chairman Bill Clark, Larry Groen, Mona Frost, and Nick Pasqueretla. Colette Penne of the Planning Department was also present. APPROVAL OF MINUTES: It was noted by Chairman Bill Clark that there were no minutes from the past meetings ant that was a matter of concern for him and Colette advised that the matter would be brought to the City Clerks attention. Old business to be discussed was set for later in the meeting as the party involved had not yet arrived. NEW BUSINESS: The first item of new business was the review of the renovation/restoration of the house at 101 East Hallam. Mr, Charles Dwight was the representative. TMe issue at hand was the fact that the house was on the inventory as a Historic Structure and thea the outside of the house was being altered despite the moratorium. Colette; the house is a nn~table structure on the inventory, that is why Mr. Dwight got called in before the Committee. He went to get a building permit, there was a mixup in what the request was and he got a remodel permit for some of the interior. Then when Herb Paddock went by one day and saw the roof all taken apart, he called me and found that it was on our inventory, which they had a copy of and it has been red tagged a week and a half. It is open to the weather and Herb would not let Mr. Dwight close it or do anything else, My suggestion is to review the plans today, make any changes reuired, allow Mr. Dwight to close in the roof, and this can be taken to public hearing. Mr. Dwight would be allowed to do the interior work but not allowed to finish the exterior until public hearing. Bill Clark: Mr. Dwight, you remodeled the house across the street, didn't you? Mr. Dwight: That is correct. Bill Clark: You did a beautiful job there, why is it that you would get so far3 along in ignorance of the law and then at the last minute as us to help you? Mr. Dwight: We were following the guidlines of the house across the street, the same procedures. We submittedthe plans to the buiiding department and asked them for permits, they told us to get s water permit which we did. Then we submitted the plans for a check and they were approved, and we were issued a permit. RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS 100 Leaves Discussion on 101 East Hallam cont'd Bill Clark: Did you get a demolition permit from them? Or did you decide to go ahead on your own and demolish the house? Mr. Dwight: We jsut got the building permit, as it was ~ot planned to be such a major project.As we progressed, we found that the rafters and everything was undersized in order to conform to the insulation requirements etc. It was a thing that progressed, we did not intend to take the roof down butwe found that we had to. Bill Clark: I have a question as to whether what you will produce will be better that what was there in that old house. We are now in the position of approving, after the fact, the demolition of an exixting victorian structure in violation of the changes to the code. Colette: What we are dealing with right now, however we got to this point, however this inter- action with the building department happened, is very unfortunate. The problem at present is that he should be able to close int he roof, you have a building that is standing open to the weather. Bill Clark: That is not our problem. I do not know how we can approve the roofline of a building that is missing a roof in violation of the City ordinances. I question whether we have the practical, profess~ ional authority to do that, I am just seeing these plansfor the first time. Mr. Dwight: I have aquestion. In the proceedure of obtaining a building permit, I inquired into the status of the building, The building inspector tp;d me that it was not on the overlay, therefore we could proceed and ther was no suggestion that I go before any review board. I couidn~t see any violations. Larry Groen: I have a question to whay this was brough to us, isn't this between the building department and Mr. Dwight? Colette: No, it is under the moratorium for our consideration. If someone wants to do a major renovation it has to go through our review. It doesn't mean that for the six months of that moratorium nothing can happen to this town's old buildings. It is on that inventory and they missed it when they gave him his building permit. Then when Herb checked it out, he found it was. He said HPC will have to approve the finished product before I can let him proceed, and that is why it is before you. Larry Groen: Well, are we being asked to approve this before going to public hearing? Colette: No, you are asked to approve it in a preliminary design review just as you would any other building. If you say this design is good, and when you send it to public hearing you have no things that need change., if you approve of it that way, then I think under the circumstances when ther was a mistake made by the building department, probalbly a mistake made be Mr. Dwight in not having the the right permit, that if we approve this in a preliminary sense and really have no ~roblems with it we should let him close it in and a0 the RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS 100 Leaves Discussion on 101 E Hallam cont'd interior work. Larry Groen: I feel that his resolution should be with the building department and not with us whether we approve of the roof or not. I don't feel that we should be involved. Colette: We have to be involved, it is on the inventory which puts it under our auspices during the moratorium. Larry: In this case I would like to refer this to the vuilding dpartment for their resolution with the applicant. Let us remove this from our list of structures and let them do what they want with it. Nick: Ivisited that location this morning., there is no more historical building down there,, there are are two and a half wall of brick standing there. The whole building is a mess. It will never look like it did before. It is no longer a historic building. Colette : If it is on our inventory we have to deal with it. Bill Clark: I do not know if it can be brought to our attention at this meeting agenda wise., it seems to me the sentiment is that if it were brough ~t us to designate as a notable structure we would not accept it. If we have to I take the position that we cannot accept the plans. I don't think we should be dealing with the situation. Mona: I suggest that Mr. Dwight make the changes, then come to us for approval. Bill Clark: I do not think that is for us to decide today that his house is no longer notable. We should be guided by the legal department on howto handle that. I would like advice from the legal department as to what is in order to eliminate thes structure from the inventory of historic structures with respect to the councils action. Colette: If you decide on your preliminary review that you don't want to designate something, it ends right there. Same thing if you sent something on to P and Z and in their preliminary review they decide that it should not be designated, it ends there. Mr. Dwight: I went to the building department to see what else had to be done and they said no. Bill Clark: Now what do we do with this building and its problems and the fact that it is on the list of Historic structures? Can we declare it is not and let you and everyone else off the hook? Colette: Under the circumstances of what happened you would choose not to designate this house historic. Bil Clark: Does this fly in the face of the councils moratorium that holds that there should be no further voluntary demolition of the structures on that list until we deal with them. This is an action that takes that sturcture off that list without anyone dealing with it. Colette: You are dealing with it now, if you decide because fo the changes you want ot take it off, then it is up to Herb to deceide to take the red tag off. Paul Taddune arrives and the situation is explained to him. RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS 100 Leaves Discussion of 101 E Hallam Cont'd Old Business: More New Business: Paul Taddune: I think that the easist thing to do would be to make a recommendation to the city council that you do not feel that this structure is a historic structure and have the applicant apply to the city council for an exemption from the moratorium. Nick: Raises the question that this could become a precedent in the future for people to tear down their houses to gain exemption. Paul again recoomends the issue be made known to the city council. Larry Groen makes the motion to find this building not acceptable fromthe standpoint of designation and refer any action on violation of the moratorium to City COuncil. Nick seconds the motion. All were in favor, none opposed. Architects form Jacob/Bell and Associates presented a request for one additional doorway at the Tom thumb Building. Motion to approve made by Larry, seconded by Nick. Jack Walls presented the samples of brick to be used on the Bell Mountain Sports Building. The brick is to be used all the way around and is called Colonial Station Special, and is to have matching mortar. Larry moved for approval, Nick seconded, all were in favor. The issue of the flagepole on the Courthouse was tabled until the Brand Building is discussed and considered. The Designations with owner consent were approved, thsoe being 200 E Bleeker, 20]-207 S Galena, and 330 E Main. The designation at 208 E Hopkins was also approved without owner consent. A request was made to add an additional item to the agenda concerning the Skiers Chalet. Larry Groen moved to add the item to the agenda, Nick seconded. The builder representing the Skiers Chalet presented the facts concerning upgrading of that building that was built in ]953. He met with the P and Z and with Herb Paddock to find out what woudl make the addition acceptable. Herb suggested that since we were in a historic area the building be included in the ~ame designation. It is an old building in the sense that is of the same age and location as lift lA, and that is historic to Aspen even thoug it was not built in the victorian era, The Skiers Chalet was the first restaurant at the bootom of that lift and has evolved along with the area. Larrymade the motion to add the issue to the agenda, Nick seconded it and all were in favor, The chairman had ot leave at this point. A quorum was no longer present. THe meeting was adjorned.