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HomeMy WebLinkAboutminutes.hpc.19801014Historic Preservation Committee October 14, 1980 The Historic Preservation Committee held a regular meeting on October 14, 1980 at 1:00 PM in the City Council Chambers. Members present were Jon Seigle, Terry End, Mona Frost, Richard Cicero, Georgeann Waggaman and William Clark. Sunny Vann: Planning staff representative, was also present. APPROVAL OF MINUTES Mona Frost had a correction on the minutes of September 23, 1980. On page one, paragraph 5, it should not have said "the building was rising 26,000 feet." Also, on the second page, line 4, the word "standels" should have read spandrels. Terry made a motion to approve the minutes as corrected, Mona seconded the motion. Ail in favor, motion carried. NEW BUSINESS Red Onion Historic Designation Ashley Anderson, representative of the Red Onion, had not contacted Sunny and he assumed that Ashely was not going to show. PROJECT REVIEW Little Annie's House Remodel cation Review Eating Raul Gawrys, representative of Little Annie's Eating Preappli-House, came before the committee and said they wanted to enclose the outside porch. He said that during the winter the establishment is extremely crowded. The enclosure will serve as a seating area to wait for a dinner table. Raul said that during the summer it will be opened up to its original characteristic as it is now. The windows are removable. Instead of the railing that is there now, there will be an insulated wall underneath the windows. The wall will not be removed during the summer. The height of the wall will be the same as the existing railing. There will be skylights where the existing gas heaters are now. There will be no alterations made to the existing inside wall. Raul said there will be better crowd control. He said the most important thing to this job is keeping the existing character. Sunny suggested that the committee give preliminary approval and Little Annie's can come back in two weeks for public hearing and final approval. Jon said they would need as many details as possible at that meeting. Bill Clark asked them to bring a couple of snapshots of what is existing. Terry made a motion for prelim- inary approval with the condition that more information is given about the skylights and window treatment. Richard seconded the motion; all in favor, motion carried. Bank of Aspen - Front Entry Modification A representative of Hauter & Kelley, architects for the project, said that the Bank of Aspen is currently reorganizing their interior but as part of this they want to remove some glass and create,~, a covered entry at their main entry where their doors encroach on the sidewalk. He showed the committee some drawings. He said they want to remove some glass doors and eleviate the problem of those doors swinging out into the side- walk. They will be taking those doors and relocating them internally. They will wrap an existing wood column with brick. These are the doors on Mill Street that are being remodeled and they will match the doors on Hopkins Street. Georgeann made a motion to approve the change as set forth in their plans. Terry seconded the motion. Ail in favor, motion carried. RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS 617 W. Main - Preapplication Review OLD BUSINESS 1981 Commercial GMP Results Tom Summers said they were having trouble with the colors. He said they have a couple of dif- ferent alternatives but their basic approach is to leave everything natural on the building and all of the major trim is going to be white. There will only be some pinstriping with the accent colors. Most of the building will be cedar. There are two different accent colors but they are kind of torn between colors. So, they will just experiment with the colors. He said they have boiled it down to three different color packages. Blue/red, blue/blue, lavendar/lavendar. Georgeann said she did not like the red, white and blue colors. Sunny said that there is an appropriate pallet. He thought the committee should give him the approval of the white and he could chose from his pallet as long as it is historically correct as to his trim color. Terry End made a motion to approve the change of color to the white trim with two accent trims within the historical pallet. Richard Cicero seconded the motion. Ail in favor, motion carried. Sunny said that the committee scored Park Place first at 12.6, Ajax third at 11.5 and Mill Street second at 11.7. He said that the Planning and Zoning Commission scored Park Place at 18.6, Ajax at 19.5 and Mill Street at 18.9. The composite rankings are: Park Place first at 31.23, Ajax second at 31.04 and Mill Street third at 30.66 He said the Planning office will recommend to Council a sufficient quota to construct Park Place and Ajax as awarded and the remainder of the unused quota may be used by Mill Street, if they can phase their project. There would be roughly 4,000 square feet left and the Planning Office would recommend that the 6,000 sq. ft. bonus be given to Mill Street also. Sunny said that there were some problems with the committee member's scoring, as far as the guide- lines were concerned. He said there will be a workshop scheduled prior to next year's scoring to see if these problems can be corrected. He said it appeared in the scoring this year, a certain influence on behalf of the member's taste or appearance of the building, and these are not the guidelines under which they are scoring. Sunny thought it was only fair to the applicants, they should be scored only as the criteria state. He said the Historic Preservation Committee does not have the reputation of consistency when it comes to scoring for the GMP. Bill Clark said a professional staff, such as:the Planning Office, should not have mnch high hopes on the professionalism of a lay body. They are hired because of their training and experience and they guide the members of these voluntary commissions in their thinking, but Bill does not believe they should have such high expectations that the members are going to treat everything so objectively. Sunny said that if the committee does not agree with the criteria, if is up to the board to adopt a set of criteria which they can uniformally use. .......... ,._,~.,.o¢o.,,~...... R ECOR D O F P ROC E E D I N GS Georgeann said she thought they need to be more informed of the guidelines. She said the first time she ever saw one was when she walked into the meeting where they voted on the GMP. Arthur's Chinese Restaurant - Preapplication Review Terry End made a motion to add Arthur's Chinese Restaurant to the agenda. Georgeann Waggaman seconded the motion. Ail in favor, motion carried, Welton Anderson said that about 2% years ago they came in with ascheme that took the ARI Building and combined it with a new building in the middle. He said there was an overall opinion that it looked like the Floradora and the people from the Floradora said there was no way anyone would like that because there arealready too many big building on Main Street. Then someone suggested, at this previous time, that they take these three structures and, instead of making it look like one huge building, it should look like three seperate structures. Due to some problems, one building eventually got eliminated and the ARI Building got moved over next to the other building. It was going to be connected by an unobtrusive breezeway. Today, he wanted to explore the prospects of making the two buildings into one building. Sunny said that the reason the three structures was originally vetoed was because the standards the committee has adopted prefer that there is no duplication of Victorian architecture and they try to preserve the visual integrity of those historic structures in the community. He said that Welton is trying to find a way to combine the two structures, maintain their integrity and still allow the plan to work in a reasonable fashion. Jon Seigle said he does not like any of the three treatments Welton has to connect the buildings. He said it didn't look right to have the center portion that is higher than both sides. He wondered if they need the extra space with this center portion or just some way to get outside, a convenient access. David Moss, owner of Arthur's, said he was the one who originally requested the design change from Welton. He said that came about because he cannot make it financially worthwhile to take on one building without a different kind of access to the upper floors. If he had to use the ARI Building with the stairways in it, he gains nothing Therefore~ he tried to get Welton to put the stairways on the side of the building, where the ne link would be. He said he would need two stairways going to each floor, one for the employees and one for the customers. He said he personally was very excited when he saw the new design, because he is the first one who wants a good-looking building on Main Street. Sunny said there was a problem with the extensive- ness of the building and the horizontal capacity. If HPC is going to approva a building of that magnatude, within the guidelines, they will have to comply with some breaks in the ~oofs. From an ideal point of view, Sunny said that is what the] should be pursuing. RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS Jon asked when Welton found out that this scheme would not work. David Moss said he was pushed into this move by financial factors. He said he probably thought about this beginning last month. Jon thought the committee has probably given this project as much attention as any project that has ever come before the board. However, he felt that what they arrived at prey~ iously was probably the best solution. Jon wondered if they could not have a two-story lil that is hidden by the trees? David Moss said they would have problems getting trees that big, but they could do their best, with good intent. Georgeann tried to capture what Moss was saying he wanted and needed. She thought he was saying they would need a door in the center which would get the waiters outside, also a second-story link. Moss said he would not particularly need a link on the second-story between the two buildings, except perhaps from a design standpoint, but he does need stairs to go up to the second floor. Another problem was a bar that they've ordered from Liverpool, England. Moss said that it is 10% feet high and they are going to have to raise their roofline, which at the lowest point right now is 7 feet. Georgeann said that what bothers her is that there are so many changes. From a historic point of view, she doesn't see a need for a lot of the changes when they still end up with two windows in one place. Richard Cicero asked Moss to list what their prob- lems are. Moss said the problems are the stair- ways, the bar system and the waiters' access doors Bill Clark said that now that the two buildings have been moved closer together, it might be bette~ to go out to the site and look at them, in order to get an idea as to what has been talked about. Moss and Anderson both said that it feels like one building already. Jon Seigle tried to issue a consensus of opinion. He thought the committee was trying to maintain the two buildings as they are, as much as possible and let Welton come up with a link that will maintain the buildings as seen now. Georgeann asked for some kind of a rough model to give them some idea of the blocks. Terry End said, however, they can go to the site to obtain the correct viewpoint. Jon said they would go to the site and then see the applicants again in two weeks with some kind of working drawings. Robin R. Berry, ty Clerk