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HomeMy WebLinkAboutminutes.hpc.19771025RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS 100 Leaves A regular meeting of the Historical Preservation Committee was held at 1:00 in the Council Chambers of City Hall on October 25, 1977. Those members present were Lary Groen, ~{ona Frost, Florence Glidden, Terry End, Tom Wells, Sallv Parrish, and Gaard Moses. Also present is John Stanford, Planning Office. APPROVAL OF MINUTES The minutes of the October llth meeting were addressed. Ms. Frost moved to approve as presented which was seconded by Ms. End. All in favor, motion carried. OLD BUSINESS: Sign Code GROWTH ~4ANAGEMENT PLAN Stanford reviewed with the members the recommen- dations made for changes in the sign code at the last meeting. After approval by HPC, these will be reviewed by the P& Z and then passed on to Council for final adoption. The first suggested change dealing with numerous signs was discussed. This could not effectively be enforced on old signs but could be on new signs and buildings. The second change on super graphics was discussed. The graphics are presently limited to 10 sq. ft. which is relatively small. Possibly this could be enlarged. Moses discussed the sixth change regarding smaller signs in the Main Street Historic District. He feels that this is not viable and that six (6) sq. ft. would be acceptable. Double faced signs were discussed by the members. If a 6sq. ft. sign hangs from a post perpendicular to the street, you only see one side at a time. This was generally agreed on, and the members felt that they would rather see this type of sign rather than a large sign on the building itself. The seventh change regarding the $5.00 fee has been discussed with the City Attorney and Building Department. The HPC would like to recommend doing away with the permit and $5.00 fee. Wells does not agree with the fourth change on cutout letter signs. This was discussed by the members. Ms. Frost expressed concern over doing away with the $5.00 fee and people putting up signs that are in violation of the code. Enforcement was discussed and Stanford stated that it would be even more important for enforcement and Clayton Meyring would notify the violator and then send copies of that notice to the Citv Attorney. Stanford feels that this would help simplify the sign code. Moses moved to approve the recommendations as presented. Glidden second this motion. All in favor, motion carried. Originally, the HPC had a maximum of 18 points to alocate under the GMP, this has been reduced to 15 points. Stanford would recommend another work session on the scoring procedure under HPC. One of the projects that is coming for review by the HPC today will eventually come under GMP review. There is a study session with P & Z and Council tonight and there is a good chance they might remove the CC and C1 Districts from GMP juris- diction. This would aleviate HPC review in those areas. Historical Preservation Committee Regular Meeting Oct. 25, 1977 ASPEN GROVE Preapplication Review the base of Stanford reviewed this application by Birkwood Assoc. to add a second story to their existing building. Frank Woods, Andy Hecht, and David Hauter are present to discuss this application. The owners, Birkwood Assoc., would like to put a second storv on the existing building. They have received approval from P & Z as this addition would project into the view plane. Hecht discussed the setback on the second floor. This project has been in development a year and a half. Hecht is not in favor of the suggestions presented by Stanford, but feels there could be other solutions to the 9roblem. The applicants presented a model of their proposal. David Hauter stated that this addition will add about 9,000 sq. ft. to the building, but they are still 2,000 sq. ft. under the Floor Area Ratio. The second floor will be set back from the garden, which will not be distrubed in its present state. On the ground level, Winerstube Restaurant will be enclosing their outdoor dining with a solarium type enclosure. There is an open balcony that runs all the way around the garden. The building has Victorian type style trim which will be removed. There will be a more contempor- ary style replaced and the building will be painted. The materials were discussed and Hauter explained that the masonary construction will be used on the two sides facing Cooper Street. The center area will be of wood frame constru- ction. The second floor setback is to enhance the garden area, and will be setback at least 12ft. above the existing parapet. There will be two entries from Cooper Street, one next to McDonough's and one next to Independence Bldg. Stairs will come up from the Cooper Street sidewalk on both sides. The west entrance comes up over Pinocchios to the open balcony. The east entrance goes up next to North Beach Leather to the second floor. The second floor will be mainly storefront windows with anodized aluminum frame system. The existing facia will be repeated on the second addition. The darker colors are felt to be best. A continious band at the facia level will go all the way around the building of some type brushed stainless steel. Woods stated that the elevations of North Beach would be changed and that facade will be changed. A brick veneer will be taken all the way around the building. Stanford reviewed the Planning Office recommendations on their memo. Two of the second floor windows would look directly into a stairwell. The other two look into the interior of the building. He suggested possibly opening this stairwell up. The east side corner coming out over the door was discussed. There would be inside stairs and hallway creating that commercial space below. Stanford requested samples of the windows and suggested some type of copper instead of stainless steel. He also recommended that any future expansion be located below grade. They are still below their FAR limitation, and that any addition of awnings be approved by the HPC. On the final review they would like to see a plan for signage within the building. The parapet could simply run around the perimiter of the building. RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS 100 Leaves Historical Preservation Committee Regular Meeting Oct. 25, 1977 CASEY'S OF ASPEN Preapplication review Wells stated that the windows and total emphasis of the building is dominatly horizontal. He also feels stainless steel would not be best. The articifial facade on the right side is not really the way the building is working. Moses discussed color and definitely feels the darker colors with some green will be attractive. Woods suggested one alternative on the stairs - changing the west stairs to going straight up rather than angled. The building code requires a landing every 12 ft. on stairs, but the landing could concide with the second floor balcony. Hauter suggested a directory being placed on the exterior of the building, probably on the east facade to break up that large open space. The stairwell on the west facade was discussed at length. North Beach Leather has a lease for another eight years and the applicant cannot encroach into their commercial space. The sides of the building were discussed, and as a requirement of P & Z an open space in those areas must be maintained. The stairwells on either side of the building seemed to present the greatest area of difficulty for this co~ittee and several suggestions and alternatives were discussed. The second floor will have a concrete heated base and the melted snow will run into a center drain. The Winerstube expansion was discussed. Those solarium type windows will be double hung and they will be at a seated level so that diners can look into the garden area. The walkway will remain. Stanford recommends that if there are any changes in the elevations these changes should be reviewed before the public hearing. The applicants pre- sented an alternate plan on the stairwell with a change in elevation. Groen suggested continuing this to a special meeting so that changes can be reviewed and discussed prior to the next meeting which would be November 8th. If the plans are approved a public hearing would be scheduled at that time. The placement of signs will be addressed at this time, and Stanford suggested the applicant bringing paint chips, paint and metal samples. Groen complimented the architects and planners on the job they have done with the contemporary approach to the additon onthis building. There are many good points to this presentation as a whole. Groen asked that the meeting be continued one week from this date to continue this dis- cussion. November 1, the members will reconvene and review this project. Stanford reviewed this application by Gene Ingam to change the previous Tom Benton studio into a three story restaurant and bar. Weldon Anderson, architect, will discuss the plans further. Historical Preservation Committee Regular meeting Oct. 25, 1977 Mr. Anderson went over the actual physical changes that will take place in this building. The first being on the ground floor, where the existing glass windows will be brought out to the front of the building, even with the second floor overhang. The second change will be on the second floor where a long row of windows will go from one end of the building to the other. They will go all the way to the floor. The third change is to conform to the fire code. The parapet on both sides of the bui- lding will be extended about two feet. The existing block wall will be extended to provide fire pro- tection for the roof and for the required second exit stairway. The back of the building remains unchanged with the exception of putting mason block behind where the slide wood is now. Stanford asked about the windows on the second floor windows and Wells asked about putting sky- lights in the broad wood facade instead of windows. There will be dining on the second and third floors and that is why they need more light. The first floor will be for the bar and dance floor. Wells suggested totally changing the front facade. Mr. Ingam is present and discussed this application with the members. The type of windows were dis- cussed. Because the second floor is going to be totally for dining and there is only one existing window this is the only light source. They want to bring light into the stairwell and get light flowing into the dining area. He explained the purpose of bringing the ground floor windows out the second floor level. This is to prevent a balcony such as Little Annies has where patrons of the bar could conceviably sit and drink. He does not want this and bringing the windows out would prevent this. Ingam stated that because of the tabling of the liquor license application by Council they have time to work on the plans further. The design problems of the second floor and those windows were discussed. Most of the other proposed changes do not present a problem and some are to bring the building up to fire code. The large wall on the east side of the building were discussed. It was suggested that this could possibly be painted an attractive color such as variations of brown. Ingam requested approval for the first and third changes and leaving out the second floor change in windows. They could come back with color and second floor changes next,week. Groen requested poloroid prints of the building. Groen suggested tabling action on this project until color and materials can be presented and until something can be determined on the second floor windows and this project can be presented as a whole instead of piecemeal. He also asked about lighting and signage on the front facade. There will be only one use of this building and only one sign. Stanford suggests giving pre- liminary and final approval at the same time without having a public hearing and putting off decision on the application until it is presented as a whole. No trees will be removed from the front of the building. This application will then be tabled until Nov. 1, at which time it will again be reviewed. Ms. End moved to adjourn at 3:30, seconded by Ms. Parrish.