HomeMy WebLinkAboutminutes.hpc.19771011RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS
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A regular meeting of the Historical Preservation Committee was held at
1~00 on October 11, 1977 in the City Attorney's office of City ttall. Those
members present were Norm Burns, Larv Groen, Mona Frost, Florence Glidden,
Terry End, Gaard Moses. Also presen~ is John Stanford of the Planning Office.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
The minutes of the September 13th meeting were addressed.
Groen moved to approve, seconded by Ms. Glidden. Groen
then appointed Burns as temporary Chairman, and left the
meeting.
NEi~ BUSINESS
The HPC will try to evaluate the Sign Code for possible
areas where infractions frequently occur, where they
might be interperted in such a way as to produce a final
product the community and HPC feel may be unattractive
and unappealing. Stanford showed the group color slides
of various streets in the downtown area, pointing out
either favorable, derogatory, or netural facts.
Galen Street is one of the most historic streets in the
downtown core area, and the slide shown with a view
from the Arcade Building, north towards City Hall showed
several historic buildings. Stanford pointed out the
virtual absence of signs in this view, which is very
appealing. Cooper Street was reviewed. The Hyman
Street finger mall was viewed, and discussed at length.
This is a problem area with many businesses being housed
in a small area; several within one buidling. The
businesses~ of course, need to attract attention from the
pedestrian traffic on the Hyraan street ~all, so they
have all hung signs on that area. Country Flower has
several signs, as they have several businesses within
one building, the Aspen Steak Company has a sign right
below those also. This represents one of the problems
the committee has wanted to focus on, representation
of businesses within a complex. The Cooper Building has
a registary in the front of the building listing all the
businesses in that building. However, the businesses
represented do not feel that this is adequate advertising
and they would like to put up signs.
Guidos on the Cooper street mall was discussed. This
is a cutout letter sign and it was felt to be oversized.
The Triple AAA sign is felt to be a violation. The Aspen
Arcades Sign was discussed, with the members expressing
different feelings. It has a very negative impact,
states only the name of the building, and does not
represent the businesses in that building. However, it
is not overly apparent, which is in some ways good.
The view down the Hyman Street mall showing Aspen Drug,
Henry's Electronics ;and Wax and Wicks was discussed.
This has a very pedestrian effect and got a favorable
comment from the committee. However, the paper sign
for Back To School on the inside window of the drug store
generated a great deal of discussion on the problem of
Sale Signs, additional advertising, and eye sores in
windows. This is governed by the code, but not enforced.
Several violators were discussed: Jills Tot and Teen
going out of business sale, Sherpa Soorts lease not
renewed, Baskin Robins ice cream advertising, Toms
Markets specials, and the usually discussed, Miners
Buildings and Carls Pharmacy. Different ways this might
be handled by stronger enforcement were discussed. This
area is going to be hard to control. The Erand building
was discussed, and, even though the sign has three
sides which in total are oversize, it is unobtrusive
and attractive. The businesses inside the building are
represented with small signs outside, but in such a
manner that it does not clutter the front of the building.
The sign over Sporthaus Lindner got a favorable comment
from the committee, even though it is probably oversize
it is unobtrusive. The North Beach Leather area was
discussed. The business in that area, Winerstube,
Pinnochios, Davians, and North Beach Leather all have
signs. Groen, having re-entered the meeting, stated that
he would rather see one sign for Aspen Grove Building,
and listed businesses than individual signs. There
is a potential for this building to be expanded ~o the
second floor. This was discussed. There is a sign
used by North Beach Leather that is hung outside during
the day and taken down at night. It is definitely in
violation of the sign code. Other areas with violations
were the Red Onion, which the committee felt that even
though it was oversized, is unobtrusive. The Red on
red does not make it appear as large as it really is,
and in addition to the other signs definitely makes the
total signage oversize. They have about 200ft. of total
signs. The Gondola Ski Shop was discussed. The sign
appears visually to be cutout letters, whether it is or
not is not certain. The doors in that building also open
out onto the mall, which is violation of the code.
Was and Wicks has about the same size entrance, with
doors opening into the building and small awning, which
makes it much more attractive.
Graphics was once more discussed, and Burns quoted from
the sign code the requirements for obtaining a permit
for a graphic. After discussing this it was determined
~hat City Council must give approval for a graphic, with
a permit obtained from the Building Inspector. There are
several graphics on buildings, such as the Eagle by
Galen Street East, and the Cigar sign on Aspen Drug. The
committee in general is in favor of graphics such as these
and will research this area further. The Aspen Mall Sign
was reviewed and discussed. The members are not r~ally
enthusastic about the sign and pointed out several
unfavorable areas of that sign. Paper signs were once
again discussed, and posters for special events, which
through being encouraged, should be taken down after the
event. The Miners Matters bulletin board was discussed,
and Stanford felt it was better to have the ads con-
centrated in one area rather than spread all over town.
However, some way should be determined to keep the ads
current. In front of Fitzgerald Realty there are five
newspaper stands. This should be, in some attractive
way, be incorporated into one dispensery.
Violations of businesses using the public right-of-way
for merchandise was discussed. Slides of such areas
as Cheap Shots, the antique store in the Mill Street
Station, were discussed. The Miners Building also has
bicycles and lawn mowers in front of its building.
The sign on the Miners Building was also discussed, but
the members do not really feel it is as bad as it could
be, and it lists the businesses inside like a registery.
Stanford will review these discussions and summarize
the concerns of the HPC and present some type of
recommendation at the next meeting. This will then be
presented to the P & Z for their consideration, as they
can initiate changes in the code itself.
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RUBEY PARK BUS SHELTER
OLD BUSI_~ESS
Harold Stalf and Melinda Severence are present
to review with the committee the plans for the
improvements to the Rubey Park Bus Shelter. This
application was given preliminary approval at the
last HPC meeting and the public hearing was scheduled
for this date.
The plans were once again reviewed by the committee,
no changes have been made from the plans approved
on preliminary. Colors were designated, and a floor
plan was presented. The building will be enclosed
on all four sides with double opening doors on the
south side, and small windows on either side of the
doors. Horizontal windows will be placed on the
east and west sides. The existing roof will be
retained. On the inside north wall a large map
showing all bus routes, City, County, Ski Corp,
will be placed with the information desk directly
in front.
Groen opened the public hearing. There were no
public comments and the hearing was closed.
There was one suggestion from Moses, that the
lights on the exterior of the building be kept
to a 3200, 3400k. This would eliminate the problem
of having such an intense light it gives a bluish
tint. This was agreed on.
Moses moved to approve the application as presented,
seconded by Burns. All in favor, motion carried.
~roen asked the members if anyone knew the status
of the project in front of Fitzgerald Real Estate.
The applicants were so eager to begin work, and now
it has progressed to a certain point and no further.
This will be checked on.
Ms. Glidden moved to adjourn at 2:35
seconded by Ms. End. Ail in favor, motion carried.
Ellen Atkins, Deputy City Clerk