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HomeMy WebLinkAboutminutes.hpc.19770823RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS 100 Leaves A regular meeting of the Historical Preservation Committee was held at 1:00 in the Council Chambers of City Hall on August 23, 1977. THose members present were Lary Groen, Norm Burns, Florence Glidden, Jerry Michaels, and Terry End. Also present is John Stanford of the Planning Office. APPROVAL OF MINUTES RUBEY PARK BUS SHELTER On page 1, an addition of" the main motion was voted on with all in favor" was added. On page 2 under comments a change to Groen's personal opinion was made. Under GMP, an addition of "for at least 5 categories, plus three for at least one category for a total of 13 points" was added. Ms. End moved to approve the minutes as corrected, seconded by Ms. Glidden. All motion carried. in favor Melinda Severance and Harold Stalf are present to discuss with the HPC potential plans for the covering of the Rubey Park Bus shelter. Last year there was a very limited budget for this project, and it would have been simply a wind break. This proposal was turned down by the HPC, and Ms. Severance explains that this year they are budgeting so that a better job can be done. The Transportation Department would like to put a Supervisor at that bus stop location. They feel that this would enable the public to ask questions and have someone on duty qualified to answer the questions. They see this as an asset to the Transportation system. The supervisor would also help alleviate some of the traffic problems or bus problems that occur during normal usage. She is asking for preliminary input from the committee members to see what they have in mind for this bus stop. Stalf further explained that presently the supervisor of the transportation system is isolated at the County Bus Barn at the airport. The Council does not agree that this is the best place for him, and he is not easily accessible to help with the transportation problems. They would like to enclose the entire structure with a desk and telephone for the supervisor. There would be eletrical baseboard heat. There is currently a bilboard in the center of the struc- ture between two pillars. These pillars hold up the roof. T~ey would like to move this bilboard and put a desk between these pillars. Stanford stated that the Planning Office feels this would be an asset to the transportation system and they are generally in favor of this plan. Stalf further explained that the enclosure would not of course be big enough to hold all the skiers that accumulate in that area during the bus runs, but during normal periods of traffic flow it would be able to hold the participants. One purpose of having a supervisor there, in addition to the pre- vious comments, was to see that the building is not abused in any way. The supervisor would be on duty until 12 midnight, at which time the building would be locked up. Ms. End suggested possibly incorporating a "booth" type of structure into the existing bus stop. She feels that it is im- portant that people not have to come inside to seek information. He would in this way be easily accessible. Groen asked about the frequency of the buses, which was explained by Stalf. The County buses are not on a regular schedule and this causes some conflict. The restrooms at Wagner Park would be used, and none would be added to this structure. Stalf stated that he envisions this simply as one room enclosure with a desk and supervisor, benches around the outer edges of the room and windows looking outside so that passengers can see the buses coming and going. In discussing glass, Ms. Severance stated that the building code limits heat loss to 14% per squ.ft, of the area in the structure. They would want a window on either side of the building, possibly oblong with a door on the north side. Materials would probably be rough finished wood and Greg Cole has been hired to draw up the plans. These will be presented at a future date. Groen requested they present only a rough concept- ual drawing at first, not finished working drawings. This is in case there are any recommended changes. His concern is that he doesn't want to see it turn out like a midwestern garage. Burns suggested possibly only enclosing a small portion forthe supervisor without enclosing the entire structure. Stalf explained, however, that the structure is extremley small. Once you start putting in partions and building walls it would cut down the floor space to absolutley nothing. Groen suggested possibly designing this so that it can be opened up in the summer but this would run into building code problems. He personally does not favor enclosing it at all. He suggested polling the members for their feelings. He, of course, had stated he did not want it enclosed, Michaels did not specifically state whether he would or not, but would want to see a supervisor there, Burns would like to see the plans before deciding, Glidden also would like to see the plans, and End feels it is important to have access to the outside. Stalf explained to the committee that there is a strong concern on the part of the Transportation department and Council for the safety of the passengers of the buses. They had a mugging at that location several days ago. This structure would be well lit and someone on duty at all times. The subject of windows was discussed, and Stalf stated that they had suggested Ihorizontal windows so that people sitting down could see out, but Groen suggested vertical windows. The budget for this project was discussed, and Ms. Severance stated that they have $5,000 for building materials and $2,000 for bus stops. There will be some of this that will come out of "in house" costs, such as labor, and possibly some materials they might already have. Stalf feels this project will turn out very well, even though they don't have a large budget. Groen asked about th~ County Buses and Stalf explaine~ that there is the possibility of combining the systems, but since this is not certain, they have not requested any funds from the County. The impression given was that the City and County are not on good terms as far as helping each other out. Stalf explained that the City buses have run on the same schedule for a year, the ski corp buses have a set schedule they stick to all season, but the County Buses change so often no one can keep up with their schedule. This makes it difficult to try to answer RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS 100 Leaves HISTORICAL PRESERVATION COMMITTEE Regular Meeting August 23, 1977 ASPEN BAR AND GRILL GROWTH MANAGEMENT PLAN C.M. CLARK - Historical Deisgnation questions that people have about getting from one place to another. Stalf stated that they do not forsee any need for vending machines in the building. There are currently local paper dispensers outside and these are used frequently by the passengers. They would like to put a pay phone outside. Stanford stated he would be happy to work with the transporation people on this project and they should obtain a copy of the HPC guidelines for projects. Tony Mitchell is present to submit plans for this proposal. Burns moved to add them to the agenda, seconded by Ms. Glidden. All in favor, motion carried. Mitchell explained that this is an addition to the Mill Street Station on the west side behind the existing restaurant and solarium. George Kelly is the architect. Mitchell presented drawings of the project and reviewed these with the members. The lighting on the outside will be concealed beneath the railing, and it will be incandescent. The metal on the solarium will be painted with a bronze paint. This area is currently a parking lot so they cannot really do a great deal of land- scaping, but suggested possibly having planters on the platform itself. Umbrella tables will be used outside. No exterior heating is planned, as this area is to be used in the summer months, and mabye on a warm winter day. The wood siding will match the existing and the glass will be brown toned. Groen asked for comments, which were basically favorable about the submission of adequate drawings and plans. Michaels moved to approve the plans as submitted. Seconded by MSo End. All in favor, motion carried. The conditions for approval are: the addition is to match existing exterior siding in materials and color; lighting will be concealed; no landscaping; metal work on the green house is to painted out. This is pre-application and final approval. The members did not feel there is a need for a public hearing. Stanford stated that in reviewing the scoring of projects it was found that HPC has almost complete control of the scoring. So, two more categories were added to the P & Z scoring. He suggested also possibly having to seperate scorings from HPC, one for the HPC aspect, and then one for the GMP. THe HPC scores could be as high as 24 points and from that they could develop a score for the GMP. This is a request by C.M. Clark for historic designation of the property at Block 28, Lots P, Q,R,S. Burns so moved, seconded by Ms. End. All in favor, motion carried. HISTORICAL PRESERVATION COMMITTEE Regular Meeting August 23, 1977 SIGN CODE REGULATIONS Stanford suggested that the HPC develop a presentation to be made to the P & Z. Possibly slides could be made of potential or existing problems. He presented some ideas of possible loop holes in the code. Groen asked exactly what a sign is classified as. What different methods of advertising the business can a business come up with to skirt around the sign code. How is putting merchandise outside the business actually another form of advertisement. This will be discussed at the next meeting and Stanford will present some slides. GUIDELINE AMENDMENT BILL BULLOCKS Pre-application An amendment on color has been suggested as being added to the Design Guidelines. This will state that: Predominant colors of a structure shall relate to and harmonize with neighboring colors of indigeneous natural building materials, colors identified as traditional to the building or architectural style or colors affected by time. Accent or blending colors should relate to and harmonize in a similar way as the predominate colors. When a project comes up for review they should also present a color plan and this could possibly be incorporated into the scoring system. Burns feels that this should also be changed in the code at some time when the next Historic District is proposed. Stanford acted as representative of this project and submitted to the members drawings of the proposed change in the front facade of the Bill Bullocks building. They are requesting to el- iminate the two front store windows. This space will be filled in with siding matching the existing. The members had no comments with this though they are not generally happy with the looks of that building. Ms. End moved to approve, seconded by Ms. Glidden. All in favor, motion carried. The meeting adjourned at 2:55. Ellen Atkins, Deputy City Clerk