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HomeMy WebLinkAboutminutes.hpc.19770524RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS A regular meeting of the Historical Preservation Committee was held on Tuesday, May 24, 1977 at 1:00 in the Council Chambers of City Hall. Those members present were Lary Groen, Norm Burns, Mona Frost, Florence Glidden, Jerry Michaels, Bob Marsh, Terry End and Gaard Moses. APPROVAL OF MINUTES The minutes of the May 13th and April 12th meetings were reviewed. Burns moved to approve the minutes as presented, seconded by Michaels. TERESE DAVID Groen stated that apparently Ms. David had misunderstood the HPC when it discussed the railing on the outside of her house. She interperted their decision as being a request for a metal Victorian railing, which it was not. The minutes of that meeting clearly state that they recommend a wooden railing similar to what exists on the house now. RESTAURANT EXTENSIONS This is an "information only" item for the HPC. Since none of the Restaurants making application for outdoor dining are going to have awnings, they will not need HPC consideration. Marsh is strongly opposed to the extension at all. He feels this is just another way of vending in the mall. Ms. ~rost asked how long the restaurants would be serving outside, and it was explained that the Resolution does not give a definite termination date just "as long as weather permits", but that when the City Attorney does the lease, the time limit will probably be addressed. 1ST NATIONAL BANK LA TORTUE The 1st National Bank is applying to remove the brick on the south wall and add a window. On the east side of the building is a window just like the one they would like to add on the south side. This would bring light into newly created office space. Ms. Frost moved to approve this application for both preapplication and final approval as presented. Burns seconded. The chairman asked for discussion. The members discussed this application, as no plans have been submitted. The representative left the meeting to obtain plans from the Building Inspectors office. The plans were obtained, and the motion made by Ms. Frost was voted On. All in favor, motion carried. Debra Hicks is present to request permission for an extension onto the existing building of LaTortue. This would be 508 sq. ft. The members questioned the space between the restaurant Acapulco Gold, and Ms. Hicks stated that there would be 4 ft. at the narrowest point. The members questioned whether this would eliminate that out- side dining area, which it would. Ms. Hicks explained that that area is not included in Acapulco Gold's lease, but that they do use it. She showed pictures of the existing areas and drawings and plans of the proposal. The members asked about the Chuckwagon, which is a short order type operation in front and to the side of LATortue. The Chuck wagon has its own lease from the owner of the property, Arthur C. Hyde. It is for sale now, and she doesn't know what Mr. Hyde plans for that area. Michaels objects to that area entirely, and feels that it is has a "tacky" appearance. The members do not object to the extension itself, but feel strongly that the area needs quite a bit of work and should be cleaned up. Ms. Hicks explained that she only owns the building, not Historical Preservation Committee Regular Meeting May 24, 1977 PARAGON BALLROOM discussion Arthur's discussion the property, and that she only has a 1 year lease that is renewed each year. They are currently trying to negotiate for a 10 year lease from Mr. Hyde before puttin~ money into this extension. Her proposed lease would include that outdoor area where the Chuckwagon is now, and she would not like to see it stay. ~T~e members are also concerned that once she eliminates Acapulco Gold's outdoor dining they will move towards the front of the building, but Ms. Hicks does not feel that will happen. The members discussed whether there would be any recourse if the extension was not done as presented, such as the landscaping, and Ms. Hicks someway lost her lease. Could the HPC address the new owner of that property? Should they go directly to Arthur Hyde? Groen asked if there would be any possibility of Hyde taking out the Chuckwagon and the concrete block building behind it. That would greatly enhance that area and not make it look so cluttered. Ms. Hicks does not know what Hyde plans for that rental space. Stanford stated that he does not have any problem with the extension itself, as long as it matches the existing facade of the building, and that the area between LaTortue and Acapulco Gold be maintained attractively. Michaels, however, feels that the owner of that property is very insensitive to the appearance of that area and its impact on the surrounding areas. He strongly feels the HPC should communicate with Hyde in some way to let him know what the committee would like to see in that area. The property is handled by Hyde himself, and he does not live in the area. He comes into town once a month and he will be asked to attend a HPC meeting to talk with the members about this situation. It was the general feeling of the members that they would like to see this applicationtabled until something more definite could be established. Burns moved to table this application, seconded by Ms. Glidden. All in favor. Groen discussed this situation with the members, and stated that when the Paragon applied to the HPC to change the windows in the front of the building, it was clearly stated that they would not be french doors and open all the way to the ground. However, they do open all the way down and Groen feels that it gives too much of a cavernous feeling because you can see all the way back to the bar and alley. It is Moses' feeling that they possibly had this in mind as part of the over- all plan for serving outside. The problem is that it is no longer a window, but a door. They would like to have someone from the Paragon come before them to change the application, deciding which they want, a door or a window. The members feel that there is a real problem existing at this time in the communication and enforcement between this committee and the Building Inspector's office. If there are infractions they are not followed up on by the Inspector and no enforcement is carried out. One such instance, as brought up by Burns is the application by Arthur's Restaurant. They are putting a door in the east side of the building that is not on the plans. In order to facilitate this door they cut down a very large flowering crabapple tree. This situation was discussed at length by the members, some of them feeling that the responsibility should be Clayton Meyring's for enforcing and some members do not feel that way. There is a Tree Ordinance that prohibits someone from cutting down a certain diameter tree without a permit, and Burns does not think they obtained a permit to remove that tree. ,,.^,~,~o.o,...,..,.,.. ~o.. ~...,~,, R E C O R D O F P R O C E E D I N G S Historical Preservation Committee Regular Meeting May 24, 1977 THALLBERG RESIDENCE ASPEN PLAZA BUILDING MALL PIJ~Y STRUCTURES The members requested Clayton Meyring to come to this meeting and he was called. Meyring entered the meeting and discussed these situations with the members. He does not feel that the addition of a door is such a "big thing", but was not aware of the tree cutting. Michaels is requesting that some type of enforcement be handed out by the Inspector's office. He could pull their occupancy permit, and require that they come back to HPC for review of the changed plans. The members also discussed the situation with the ~aragon. Meyring states that often people deviate from their original plans for one reason or another, and he doesn't have the manpower to watch each construction site constantly. Marsh suggested that an official memo be written to the Inspector's Office giving specific complaints. Michaels feels that Clayton's interpertation of a "big thing" and this committees interpertation differ, and we should discuss the problem with Mayor Standley or Mick Mahoney. Stanford pointed out that when and if the committee goes this route, we should have ample documentation to show that infractions did occur. The Explore Bookstore being built on Main Street was discussed by the members. There was an article in the Aspen Times last Thursday on how this was once a "small" Victorian. The members feel that the idea at the time of the application was to retain the feeling of the old miner's cabin, but in looking at the structure now, nothing at all of that miner's cabin remains. Marsh also pointed out what is the point? We did not preserve anything. Michaels also feels that if the application were to be considered again, he feels it would be best to allow the planner to tear down that cabin, and build a contemporary structure in scale with the adjacent buildings. All we did in this case was cause the planner more trouble by insisting that the cabin be retained, when in fact, nothing of that miner's cabin feeling remains. Burns also feels that in looking closer at the plans some other considerations could have been made that would put the bulk of the expansion behind the house, and thereby retain the smaller effect. Burns also pointed out that this is another case where there is a change in the plans that HPC has not considered, and that being the placement of a bay window in the front of the building. That was not on the plans. This building is nearing completion. It is located at the corner of Hopkins and Hunter street. This also generated discussion of the two houses that has been requested by Peter VanDomlen to be demolished. We have yet to see a plan from the planner on this, after they were turned down by HPC. The members still feel that the brick house should be preserved. Groen stated that he felt the play structures and rest rooms should be stained so that they do not appear so "raw" looking. However, HPC had requested the Rubey Park Bus Shelter to be stained also, and the City never did it. Robin Molny, architect will be consulted on the feasibility of this, and what product might be used. Items for the next agenda were discussed. The meeting adjourned at 2:30. E~l~n Atkins, Deputy City Clerk