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HomeMy WebLinkAboutminutes.hpc.19770308RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS 100 Leaves Historic Preservation Committee Regular meeting was held on March 8th, 1977 at 1:00 in the Council Chambers of City Hall, City of Aspen. Those members present were Lary Groen, Norm Burns, Florence Glidden, Jerry Michaels, Bob Marsh, Terry End, and Gaard Moses. APPROVAL OF MINUTES REVIEW OF DISCUSSION ON SIGN CODE The minutes of the February 22nd meeting were tabled until the next meeting. There was a motion by Norm Burns to add George Parry and the subject of the Trolley Car to the Agenda. This was seconded by Marsh, all in favor, motion carried. Burns requested to be added to the agenda. Michaels so moved, seconded by Ms. End. All in favor, motion carried. Moses was not present at the last meeting where the Sign Code was discussed, and dealing with signs and graphics in his work, he has some input for the group. The sign code that was discussed was passed in 1956, and since that time has been changed three times. He feels it has begun to fall apart in places. There is a lot that is not incorporated in this code, and some that is, that should not be. He feels it should be re-written. The subject of the City street signs were discussed, and Moses feels.they are dangerous, they are at a height where they are easily hit by a persons head if they are not watching closely. Moses feels the incandescent lights should be allowed, but in small wattage. The possibility of having some recommendations made to the Council to change the Code were discussed. Moses feels that one area that needs to be rewritten is the area on graphic signs. A type of Sign Review Committee could be used to look at some of these problems. In reviewing the proposed Resolution on recommended changes to the Code, Burns suggested adding the phrase "make suggestions to the Planning and Zoning Committee". Other recommendations byMoses were that all signs have to be done by a local, registered sign painter. They would have to put their serial numer or identification on the sign to show they were qualified. He also sugg- ested having some type of sign kiask, where all the temporary notices and signs could be centrally located. This would eliminate having them scattered all over town. Sign codes in towns such as St. Luis Obispo, Lakewood,Colorado and Scottsdale, Arizona were discussed. Groen reviewed with Moses the concerns of the con~ittee about over signeage,tripling of sign area for three story buildings. Moses also discussed some of the local businesses that are over the limit for signs: The Aspen Mine Company was one. Moses asked if the limitation against gold leaf writing could be taken off. His argument is that it is very hard to do a bad job of gold leaf signs. They are attractive. The signs on bus- inesses around town were discussed. Moses pointed out that in the current sign code there are no provisions to prevent someone from using the type of light that has a plastic face over a bulb and resembles a neon, without actually being a neon light. If someone wanted to put up a sign like that there would be nothing to prevent them from doing so. HISTORICAL PRESERVATION COMMITTEE Regular Meeting March 8, 1977 TROLLEY CAR ANTIQUE LIGHTS HISTORICAL PLAQUES STREE SIGNS The Resolution for recommended Sign Code changes will be revised, then this will be presented to the P & Z. George Parry is present today to discuss with the members the Trolley Car that he and several other private individuals are bringing to Aspen. His thought is that the people will be more receptive to the Trolley after they see it. Then possibly whether it is used as a means of transportation could be put to a vote. The City Council has given their approval for bringing the Trolley to Aspen. The Mall Commission is also in favor of bringing it in and putting it in the mall or using it by the Rubey Park Transportation Center. There are eight of these Trolleys, and they were built in St. Louis in 1895. Detroit currently has a system of trolleys running from the convention center to the downtown area. There are also trolleys in the Salt Lake Trolley Square. Bringing the Trolley has nothing whatsoever to do with the City or County Government, and is being done by interested individuals at their own cost. It could also be a totally privately funded project if put into operation. One idea is to have it run between Rubey Park and the Trueman property and Rio Grande parking lot. It may also be used as a waiting station at the Rubey Park bus shelter. The trolley is about 4 ft. longer than the existing bus shelter. The Trolley will get herein June and the group will work to restore it to "cherry" condition. If it is possible to use is as a means of transporation, it would be a year before it would come to a vote. Groen stated that he would not like to see it in the mall this summer, but Moses stated that it would not be ready by this summer so they did not have to worry about that. Groen would like to see it by th~.Rubey Park shelter. Parry feels this would be a very good way to link together the transportation system. The trolley can be run by diesel, overhead or underground wires. Michaels asked about the trolley being on display for a year, and feels that if it is around that length of time it would have a tendancy to become permanent. In general, the members were against the Trolley being used in'the mall. Moses was in favor of it. There was a suggestion to have HPC make a r~commendation against this, and a vote was taken. All members with the exception of Moses were in favor of this. Groen once again presented the same color chip as was presented at the last meeting. The color that was originally chosen for the lights is no longer manu- factured. The lights have faded and turned a pink color because they were painted with interior paint. The color being recommended to replace this was Rawhide, by Martin Senor Paints. This an acrylic latex paint. Stanford has sent a memo to Stacy Standley requesting his feeling on putting plaques on buildings on the National Register. He is suggesting an 8x8 bronze plaque. So far he has had no response from the Mayor. The HPC is interested in seeing the street signs that are going to be used in the Mall. They would like to suggest that the same signs be used all the way down Main Street. RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS 100 Leaves Historical Preservation Committee Regular Meeting March 8, 1977 DESIGN REVIEW CRITERIA BRUNTON RESIDENCE (Copper Horse) Historic designation 125 W. Main Stanford stated that the building department has been passing out data on the design review guidelines to people making applications for building permits. Stanford is trying to have a finished brochure done up to pass out that is more updated. This will be a more simplified and easier to understand version. He went over some of the changes that have been made, mostly being changes in verbage and adding sentences to make the conditions clearer. There is also a new section that has been added for procedures. This outlines the procedures for applications and what paper work is required. Burns moved to approve Review Guidelines. Ms. motion carried. the amended text of the Design Glidden seconded, all in favor The owners of this residence are requesting historic designation. The residence is currently used as a rooming house, and the owners stated to Stanford that no other commercial use was planned. They would have to have a special review for any uses that are not permitted in the Main Street Historic District. Burns moved to approve this application for historic designation. This was seconded by Moses, all in favor, motion carried. The proposal by the applicant, Norm Burns, is to take down the shed in the rear of the residence and rebuild it. There is no foundation, it is below grade, and water seeps into the building. Burns reviewed the plans for this with the members. It will project five feet further in the rear. The members reviewed the plans. Marsh moved to approve the pre-application presentation so that a public hearing may be set. This was seconded by Ms. Glidden, all in favor, motion carried. There were two abstensions, Groen and Burns. The subjects of the next meeting were discussed. The meeting adjourned at 3:00. E~i~len L. Atkins, Secretary