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HomeMy WebLinkAboutminutes.hpc.19770111 RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS 100 Leaves Historical Preservation Committee Regular Meeting January 11, 1977 The regular meeting of the HistoricalPreservaiton Committee was held at 1:00 in the City Council Chambers, City of Aspen. 5hose members present were Lary Groen, Norm Burns, Mona Frost, Jerry Michaels, Terry End, Gaard Moses, and Tom Wells. Approval of Old Business New Business minutes The minutes of the December 14, 1976 meeting were reviewed. Norm Burns suggested a change on page 2, line 3: instead of "there will be", it should that there is now various businesses. Stanford asked for a correction on page 1, par. 3: change architects to artists. With these corrections Burns moved to approve the minutes, seconded by Terry End. Stanford discussed with the members the status of the expansion of the Historic Overlay District. This had gone to Planning and Zoning, but has been tabled pending further documentation, and a decision as to whether it would be better to Designate the original Aspen Townsite. This prospect was discussed by the members. In order to accomplish this, a city wide inventory of historic structures would have to take place. Georgetown has done this, even though some areas of that town are not historic. This may be challenged in the courts, as there is one case in Georgetown that is currently undergoing court hear- ings. The outcome is not known as yet. This type of inventory could take as long as a year to finish. Vera Kirkpatrick could assist, but some type of a contract would have to be worked out. Burns stated that the West End Association could possibly help, and Groen also suggested possibly having the high school students help in some way. The Historical Society may have a great deal of documentation already. The only area that Stanford has reservations about is the area between Original and the river. Most of those buildings are multi-family. Groen feels that as long as P & Z is receptive to historic designation we should proceed. Possible assistance from a federal level through a WCHIE grant from the Colorado Historical Board was discussed. Stanford and Groen discussed the fact that at the City Council meeting last evening, the moritorium was discussed. Council decided that CC and C1 areas should be restricted, in that no development would be permitted in those areas. This would be limited to applications for expansion, not for exterior changes to existing structures. Any application that has not previously received pre-application approval will not be able to continue through the public meeting process. The planning office is to devote its time to ~he study and implementation of the Growth Management Plan. Schoenberg Residence Project Review Public Hearing City Hall Project Review Public Hearing Chez Carlo Project Review Public Hearing Stanford reviewed with the members the application for the Victorian House on main street next to the Gypsy Woman to be renovated and turned into a book- store. This project has received conditional use approval from the P & Z. Bill Lipsey is here to represent the applicant. Groen opened the Public Hearing, but when there were no comments again closed it. There were no further comments from the members, who have reviewed this project extensively before. Burns moved to approve the application as presented. Seconder by Ms. Frost. All in favor, motion carried. Stanford reviewed with the members the appliCation for the renovation work on the third floor of the City Hall building. Chick Collins and Tom Jones were also present representing the applican{. ' 'The app- lication is for the remodeling of an existing dormer and the additional of one dormer, the enlarging of the existing skylight in the roof. Groen opened the P cblic Hearing. There were no comments from the public and the hearing was closed. Burns moved to grant application approval with the conditions that the dormers be redone to match the finished roof on the north side, and that the tem- porary entrance on the north side be removed some time during the renovation and done in brick to match the existing walls. Ms. Frost seconded this motion, all in favor. Motion carried. Stanford reviewed the application to have a canvas canopy over the entrance to the building. There was a field trip after the last meeting and prelinLinary approval was given. There were three conditions whereupon that approval was given, and these con- ditions were extensively discussed by th~mbers. Tom Wells feels that the addition of the canopies to this building will help break up and enhance the otherwise unattractive scale of the building, and that it also helps add to the "historic nature of the town". Ms. Frost is generally opposed and does not feel it is necessary. One of the conditions had setforth that it match the existing canopy in color, which wad dis- cussed by the members. Burns strongly felt that in order to grant approval at all, it had to be under that conditon basically because of the already ex- isting canopy over Molterer Sports. Michaels question~ how this canopy conforms to the sign code as far as overall size. If it were made out of wood it would not be able to exceed 20 sq. ft. in total sineage. If a business name is added to the canvas it would also be governed under these restrictions: 1 sq. ft. of isgn per each 3 sq. ft. of frontage, not to exceed 20 sq. feet. Groen opened the public hearing. There were no comments from the public, and the hearing was closed. Wells moved to approve the application with the conditions as stated: 1) that the canopy be of the color and shape of the existing canopy over the Molterer Sports Store 2) if a name is used on the canopy that the sidewalk sign be removed. The third condition stated that the canopy be removed if the restaurant changed hands, but was deleted. Burns seconded, all were in favor, with the exception of RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS 100 Leaves Historical Preservation Committee Regular Meeting January 11, 1977 Pitkin Center Ms. Frost, who was not in favor. As previously discussed in this meeting, the City Council has adopted the moritorium, and suspended any further public meetings on building applications that have not received pre-application review. This project falls under this category, and is there fore deleted from the agenda. However, Lynn Clark is present representing the application Bill Clark, and would wish to make a statement for the public record. The problems caused by the suspension of hearings was discussed by the members, and Wells questioned whether it would be possible for the HPC to continue hearing applications in the interim. Stanford is strongly opposed to this, and feels that there is the chance that once the moritorium is lifted, the set of criteria that is used could entirely be changed. What then would be the point of continuing, taking up the applicants time and our own and causing the applicant more undue _ expense? This problem was discussed, and it was th~ general feeling of the members that far too often a developer will come before this committee with a final set of working drawings and models that an architect has spent a great deal of time and money on. Then when this committee suggests changes, the app- licant cries hardship. The fact that Administrative Delay is being used to suspend the planning process was discussed, and this has never officially be tried in a court case. Usually, when a change is made, an Ordinance is passed with due public response, and the change is then passed as a law. There has been no Ordinance issued on the moritorium. Ms. Clark stated "We are here to express our desire at every level to continue within the planning process during this study and debate period, until a specific plan is adopted under which the future development of our property will be governed.." Jakes informal application Stanford reviewed with the members the application by the owner of Jakes Restaurant and Bar to put up.canvas awnings over the windows. Bob Sproul discussed his reason for wanting to do so, and stated that in the summer especially, the late afternoon sun reflects off of the Elks Building and causes a glare on the diners in the restaurant. The awning he is thinking of putting up would have square scallops, possibly be raised and lowered because of snowfall in winter, and have full edges on them. There would not be an awning over the doorway. The dimensions and projections have not been officialy measured as yet but will be in the final application review. Wells suggested that Sproul get the front elevation of the building in relation to the awnings. Burns moved to give preliminary approval so that a public heariD9 can ba scheduled. Ms. Frost seconded this motion, all in favor, motion carried. General Discussion Stanford went over with the members the procedure of Pre-application review. He feels that the method used by Sproul in his application is the most app- ropriate and best achieves ~e idea of "pre-application" review. The applicant comes in to the HPC with a definite idea of what he wants to do, but has not put out considerable expense on plans, etc. The HPC can then give him the guidelines they feel necessary to achieve the complete application review. The app- lication can be tabled or approved at the "final review stage". The problem of developers coming in with full sets of working drawings and models, etc. was again discussed by the members. Wells discussed the implementation of some type of "architectural review". The County has something like this, and any project has to be reviewed before they can proceed. This could possibly eliminate the unsightly buildings the we so often find going up here in town. This would give some control to the projects that do not come under HPC review. It was the general feeling that the town should have the right to determine its own character. The members discussed the possibility for future changes in their criteria. One specific area that is of concern is the increasing numer of greenhouse type structures. The different types and designs of windows were discussed. LeCabaret will be coming up to present an application to enclose the outer stai~ ways on their building. The upcoming moritorium and its repurcussions to the public boards was discussed by the members. Groen asked about the standing of the Hickory House expansion. They had received a building permit prior to the Main Street Historic Designation. They had planned to tear down the existing Hickory House and the house next door and put in an office building. The members were informed that Temple Allen was un- able to find financing to complete this project. The application for the demoliton of the two houses behind Bullocks was discussed. Wells is the arch- itect handling this, and stated that the applicant has gone ahead with his plans, and is claiming that he has spent a great deal of money on this project. The members reviewed with Wells the fact that the HPC had denied the applicants plans. ~ The Boat Tow was discussed, and Groen stated that Mahoney had told him that the Bus Center now at the Rio Grande lot is going to be moved to cover the Boat Tow and Lift lA park. The committee will con- tinue to follow this project. . ~ Burns moved to adjourn at 2:30, seconded by Michaels. Ellen L. Atkins, Deputy City Clerk