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HomeMy WebLinkAboutminutes.hpc.19761109RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS 100 Leaves The Regular Meeting of the Historical Preservation Committee was held at 1:00 in the City Council Chambers on November 9th, 1976. Those members present were Lary Groen, Norm Burns,Mona Frost, Florence Glidden, Gaard Moses. Approval of Minutes The minutes of the October 26th meeting were approved with the following corrections. Under the discussion on the Jerome Hotel,line 99 was to be stricken, and line ~19, was to read: the lobby flows into a larger lounge~ Under the Old Business Potential areas, it was suggested to add owners and developers to line #13. Ms. Frost moved to approve the minutes as corrected, seconded by Ms. Glidden. All in favor, motion carried. Amelia's final application and Public Hearing Stanford reviewed the project proposal to enclgse the balcony into a greenhouse type structure. He reviewed also the recommendations by the Planning Office that the glass should be either clear or lightly tinted, but not reflective, and the mullions should be bronze, not silver. Ms. Glidden stated that there had been some question at the previous meeting as to whether this added space would be used for commercial space, but that there just isn't any way that could be done because the space is so small. The problem with reflections coming off the glass is minimal, and would only be a problem in the early morning hours. Groen opened the public hearing. The representative of the applicant, Joe Zanin, asked if this was in the his- torical district, and was asking this because the building that is going to be the new Mason and Morse building has the mullions in silver, without having to meet tb~se restrictions. That building is in the district. Groen'closed the Dublic hearing. A1 Aban pre-application Burns moved to approve the application, as presented, with the following conditions: use of clear or slightly tinted glass, without mirror coating, and that the mullions be of a non reflective material. Ms. Frost seconded, all in favor, motion carried. Stanford went over the application by the owners of A1 Aban, represented here today by the Wheeler Con- struction Company. The application is for a remodeling of the entrance way into the restaurant off the finger mall. The owners feel the door is not conspicious from the pedestrian mall unless it is gaudily painted. They want to re-do the door, tone it down, but feel that when they do this it will not be noticed, thereby causing a loss of business. They, therefore, want to bring the doorway out at an angle from the building. Stanford reviewed with the members the drawings of the proposal. The representative of Wheeler Const. presented pictures of the existing door. Groen asked if this would en- roach on the required open space, but Stanford replied it would, but only a few inches. The balcony overhangs, and it would not extend further than that. It is considered in the building line. Groen suggested having the door Historical Preservation Regular Meeting November 9, 1976 OLD BUSINESS Teen Center at Lift iA Park Historic Designation open the opposite direction than the proposal, and this could cause a little less problem in case of fire, etc. Groen asked for recommendations from the Planning Office. Stanford related that the Planning Office felt 1) this would be considered to be an appendage to an existing structure and that it would create a hodge-podge. 2) the materials are different that that on the existing building and tends to add to the "stuck on" nature of the entrance. It is in question as to whether the materials would be in keeping with the character of the building. The Mall Commission has requested that this finger mall be retained as the open space area, and this would cut down on that. Stanford stated that it is not trying to change the entrance that is causing the problem, it is the way in which it is being done. Groen stated that he would recommend not approving this project as presented Ms. Glidden moved to deny application, seconded by Mr. Burns. The vote was four in favor of denial, with one abstension by Moses. After the denial, the committee continued to comment that theffeel there is a problem, and there are different solutions to the problem other than what is presented. Stanford also spoke to the representative, and stated that he would be glad to work with them in finding an acceptabl~ solution if they would like to come by the Planning Office. Stanford reviewed the request by this committee as to the plans for the Teen Center by the Recreation Department and Ted Armstrong. Mr. Armstrong is here today in re- sponse to this request. He stated that most of the work that is being done is on the interior, like knocking out walls, carpeting, etc. The exterior is being repainted the original color. He did bring up the problem with the Boat Tow that is by the Teen Center building. His con- cern is that the kids will be climbing over it and that damages might result. He has had correspondence with Steve Knollton, who is the owner requesting that it be preserved. There~are. i~ar~ous solutions to the problem. One of these suggestions was to involve the Historic Society and support their attempts to put some type of cover over the tow itself, with an explanation of its historical significance. Stanford suggested the HPC making some type of recommendation to Council or the City Manager as to something that could be done. Groen suggested asking the Historical Society to work with the HPC, the Planning Office, and the City Manager to see what can be done. Then take a presentation to Council for their support. Armstrong stated that there is a large parking lot area behind the building that may be, in the future, used for tennis courts, etc. Council has des- ignated money in the upcoming budget for improvements of this type to the Teen Center. They are giving it a "Trial Run" right now to see how it works. Groen re- minded Armstrong that any future plans for changes of this type would have to be reviewed by the HPC as the Lift 1-A building is designated Historic. Groen suggested even moving the structure of the boat tow to a safer area on that same property, just to get it out from in front of the building. The Historic Society is having a meeting the llth, and mabye someone from this committee could go there and discuss it with them. The question of whether a structure could remain historic if it is moved to a different location was brought up at the last meeting. Stanford reviewed this with the City Attorney and she informed him that all Ordinances desig- nating structures as historic list the property in acc- ordance to the legal description. This would obviously change if the structure was moved, and the designation would no longer apply. Stanford suggested several ways RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS 100 Leaves Historical Preservation Regular Meeting November 9, 1976 NEW BUSINESS Morss Residence Request for desig- nation Committee Comments that this could be changed, either in the Ordinance proceedure, or in having the structure re-designated. Stanford passed out the addresses and names of the owners of the four structures that the committee would like to add to the Historic District. These were dis- cussed by the members and their goal is to approach each individually and have them request historic designation. The members decided among themselves which ones they would like to speak with. They will try to have some- thing on this at the next meeting. Stanford reviewed with the members the request for historic designation by the owners of the old Taylor Residence, Jessie and Dwight Morss. Groen asked if this home was going to be used as something other than a residence. Stanford stated that he does not know at this point. To use the residence for anything other than offices or multi-family uses, the owners, in essence would have to go before Planning and Zoning. The Planning Office recommends approval of this Resolution for Historic Designation. Stanford stated that at the last P & Z meeting they made a motion to recommend changes to the Historic Des- ignation procedure and set a public hearing on this. With the procedure amended, a Resolution such as this would go before HPC and upon their recommendation, go directly to Council for their consideration, thereby eliminating the time element and public hearing through the P & Z. Ms. Frost moved to approve and accept the Resoltuion as stated. Seconded by Ms. Glidden, all in favor, Motion Carried. Groen asked if anything had been done about the pink color at the entrance of the Pub Bar. Stanford has not researched this. The Street lights in the mall were discussed. Groen stated that the HPC had selected Taihitian Tan, but that is not what color they are. There are several lights out down Main Street and this was discussed. He also asked about the low-level lights and whether they were cortence steel. Stanford stated that they had to weather a bit before their appearance changed to this rusty appearance. Groen discussed the possibility of considering that the present downtown core area be listed on the National Historic Register as a District. He discussed the ad- vantages such as prohibiting any federally funded project from being initiated without an impact study being done. This would also benefit the property owners by allowing them to apply for funds for repairs. This would enhance a grant application for federal funds or matching funds. Stanford will report on this at the next meeting. Groen discussed the shed at the rear of the new building on Hunter and Hopkins. It has been partially torn down, but the rest is just barely standing there. He asked if Historical Preservation Committee Regular Meeting November 9, 1976 OPTIONAL SITE INSPECTION CO~{ENTS we could possibly request that the builders remove the remainder of the building. Groen stated that he had gone over to the Hyde property after the last meeting, and had been impressed with how "terrible" it is. Stanford stated that he does not feel the property should be any further impacted by something of this nature. The members asked if there was any further information about the plans for the Jerome Hotel, and Stanford replied that it was scheduled for conceptual with P & Z next Tuesday. Mary Hayes of the Aspen Times was present at this meeting. She suggested making a clause in the zoning code that when a Victorian is on the property line and property is purchased adjacent to it, that the newly proposed property adhere to the ten foot instead of coming to the five foot that they now do. Groen stated that they have considered finding out from Clayton Meyring how the precedent is set, such as why the Jerome and Wheeler Opera House have exterior stairs to lower levels that are covered, and yet if a residence wants to do this today, they cannot cover the stairs. Burns stated that they can cover it if it is on their property, on on the side yard, but in the sideyard they cannot cover it because it would be above the ground. As long as it is within the building setback line you can cover it. If you build into the sideyard area, then you cannot cover it. This problem was discussed by the members. Stanford stated that he did not know how this problem could be solved, but possibly one way would be an Urban Design which would be nice. All this is building code related, and not relaly within the Planning Office building office jurisdiction, but it should be cons- idered. Different ways the problem with the Victorian houses and new structures could be handled were dis- cussed. You would almost have to take the buildings and have them historically designated before we could enforce something of that nature. Ms. Glidden moved to adjourn at 2:30 seconded by Burns. Ellen L. Atkins, Deputy Clty tClerk