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HomeMy WebLinkAboutminutes.hpc.19760903RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS 100 Leaves The regular meeting of the Historical Preservation Committee was held at 1:00 P.M. on Friday, September 3, 1976 in the City Council Chambers. Those members present were Lary Groen, Norm Burns, Florence Glidden, Mona Frost, Terry End. Approval Old Business of Minutes The minutes of the August 10th meeting were corrected to read: paragraph 3 incenerator changed to com- pactor; page 2, paragraph one to read off the alley parking. With these corrections Burns moved to approve the minutes, seconded by Ms. Glidden. The new alternate members for the HPC are Gaard Moses, Arthur Langenkamp, and Thomas Wells. These alternates were appointed by the City Council at its last regular meeting, and the members have been mailed their new member packets and agendas. However, none of the new members were present at the meeting. New Business Floradora North Beach Leather Pre-application Stanford stated that he would like to propose adding 3 additional items to the agenda, that being the proposed restoration of the Thallberg house, other- wise known as the Shoenberg Residence, also the p~posed expansion of the LaTortue, also a motion to reconsider the addition of the Floradora. Burns moved to add these items to the agenda, seconded by Ms. Frost. All in favor, motion carried. Stanford explained that the Floradora is coming before this committee once again due to changes recommended by the Aspen Planning and Zoning Commission. One of the main concerns of the P & Z was the parking, and they have requested underground parking that would accomodate fourteen spaces below grade. Russ Pielstick went over the other changes, which included lowering the connection between the existing facade and the addition. The underground parking would be under the new building, not under the existing Floradora. It was the general feeling of the members that the lowering of the addition was what they had been striving for originally. Ms. Frost moved to approve the plans as presented, with the conditions suggested by the Planning Office and adding a tree expert. Ms. Glidden seconded, all in favor, motion carried. The North Beach Leather company is making an app- lication to add a window on the street side of the facade. Steve Thorpe made the presentation for the applicant. Thorpe went over the plans for the window. Groen stated that he would like a field trip_to that store to get an idea of the overall visual appearance of the Winerstube, Pinocchio's area. Also, this would enable the members to look at this from the roof of the Cooper Street. Stanford stated that the application itself presented no problems from the Planning Office point of view. He did suggest possibly moving the door ~off the sidewalk to~theopenspace and that this would also accomodate the ventilation. SHOENBERG RESIDENCE Request for Historic Designation TERESE DAVID'S Thallberg Residence Proposed Redoration La Tortue Pre-Application Review This would also relive the sidewalk of any congestion that might be caused by customers coming and going. The main concern of the Leather company is the lack of ventilation in the building. There is some problem because there is going to be a second story going on top of the Winerstube, and Groen feels it would be best to table any action until the committee can assess what is being done on the second story. Thorpe stated that part of the problem was caused by the fact that Davian, the shop built next to them, was not to extend out as far as it does, and thereby obstructs an area of between three and four additional feet. This was not on the plans, and this did cause some concern with the committee members. The application made by the Aspen Grove for the, former remodeling was reviewed by the HPC and approved. Ms. End feels it would be best to table any action on this app- lication until the plans that were approved for the Aspen Grove can be reviewed to make sure what was built was what was approved, and until a field trip can be made. This was seconded by Burns, all in favor. The Resolution from the Historic Preservation Committee asking for evaluation and Historic desig- nation of the Alexander Shoenberg Residence and the W. E. Turley and R. R. Bowles Residence was read and studied by the committee. There were two corrections in phrasing and Burns moved to approve the Resolution with these corrections, seconded by Ms. Frost. All in favor, motion carried. The situation of the Shoenberg residence (Thallberg) being remodeled into a bookstore was discussed. This can not be submitted to this committee for review until the Historic Designation Overlay District is approved by Council. Using the residence as a book- store would be a conditional use, which cannot be granted until it is approved. Ms. Thallberg explained that the house was going to need a new foundation, and that they would obtain a permit for this. Bill Lipsey, Architect, went over the proposed plans for this residence. The main impression by this committee was that the biggest part of the bulk is being put at the rear of the house, which they approve of. There is a vacant lot next to this house so that it is not actually up against an adjacent building to be visably compared for scale impact. In the rear of the residence there will possibly be a small studio apartment, so that someone can live in and watch over the store. There will be about 2,000 sq. feet of shop and parking will be in the rear, off the alley. No member of this committee had any problem with the proposed plans, and feel that they should not run into any problem in the pre-application review. Groen polled the members for their unofficial opinion: Ms. End, approved; Ms. Frost, approved; Ms. Glidden, approved; Burns, as long as the foundation is done and the building is replaced as it was before; Groen approved. The owners of LaTortue are proposing to expand into the space between their shop and the restaurant Acapulco Gold. Stanford went over the proposed plans and rendering that has been submitted to the planning office for pre-application review. The planning office has no real problem with the plans. The only stipul- RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS 100 Leaves HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMJ. IITTEE Regular Meeting Friday, Sept. 3,1976 ation they would make was that the people clean up that area, there is a lot of trash in the alley way, etc. Stanford asked if Clayton Meyring, Building Inspector could be present at this meeting and he was called. There seems to be some problem in the review of the proposal, in that it is proposed to be built of wood, and the members felt this would not be permissible under the existing fire code. This is going to be a concrete block building, with wood facade in front. The problem is being caused by the Chuckwagon being so close to the front of the building. Mr. Meyring was asked to comment on this, and he reviewed the plans closely. To build out of wood, 40 ft. is required between the structure and the nearest ad- jacent structure. Mr. Meyring stated that with these plans they certainly would not qualify for a building permit. Ms. Glidden moved to table approval of this applicatior until acceptable plans can be submitted. This was seconded by Ms. Frost, all in favor, motion carried. HISTORIC DESIGNATION Fisher Residence New Business Election of Officers Comments Stanford stated that the research is incomplete at this point to ask for thehistoric designation. This house is historic, not only because of its age, but because of the fact that Howard Ross was born in it. Vera Kirkpatrick will be compiling this information. The subject of a possible time change in the meetings was discussed by the members. Ms. End teaches, and it is hard for her to get away at 1:00, possibly 3 in the afternoon would be better. Stanford stated that in the by-laws read the meetings are at 5:00 on Wednesday. It was decided to leave the meetings at 1:00 for the time being, and the by-laws will be updated. Groen asked for a motion to amend the by-laws to read: meetings to be held the second and fourth Tuesday of every month at 1:00 in the after- noon. Burns so moved, seconded by Ms. Frost, all in favor, motion carried. This will be voted on at the next meeting. Ms. Frost moved that the current chairman and vice chairman be re-elected for the coming year. Groen is the Chairman, Burns the Vice Chairman. Ms. End was the acting chairman for the vote on this motion. All in favor, motion carried. Both the chairman and vice-chairman will be out of town during the month of September, and it will be necessary for the alternate members to attend for a quorum. There will be an application coming up for a change in the front facade of the building where the Depot was. If necessary, a special meeting will be called so that the committee can act on this application. Also, the plans for the Gondola Ski Shop show three separate awnings that might pose a problem. The committee reviewed the memo sent by John Stanford to Mick Mahoney, City Manager, in regards to the previously discussed uses of the Rubey Park Bus Shelter. The committee members adjourned to a field trip to inspect the Aspen Grove project. The time was 2:45. Ellen L. Atkins, Deputy City Clerk