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HomeMy WebLinkAboutminutes.hpc.19751028RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS 100 Leaves Regular Meeting Historic Preservation Committee October 2~, 1975 Meeting was called to order by Chairman Groen at 1:00 p.m. with members Norman Burns, Florence Glidden and Mona Frost present. Marsh, End, and Michael were excused. Also present was Clayton Meyring and John Stanford. Approval of Minutes Frost asked that it be included in the minutes that she was excused from the Special Meeting of October 21, 1975. Burns made a motion to approve the Minutes of October 21, 1975; seconded by Glidden. All in favor, motion carried. New Business Stanford brought the attention of the members to the memo in reference to The Legal Authority to Include Color in The Review Process of Historic District. What Stanford pointed out was a m~p which was of the historic district; however, he hopes to complete a base map of the Main Street Historic District the the Historic Preservation Committee is doing the documentation for. Once the map is complete they will be going through the same procedure as they went through of the historic district for downtown and hopefully further. It will be giving base data and information needed to make recommendations with regard to designating Main Street as a historic district. Stanford asked members to look at existing land use, the condition of structures, the age of structures and place all structure into some degree of historical significan~ so he can get into the commercial core. Also there will be one done on scale, materials, number of stories, architectural importance and historical importance and geographical importance. These will be the ones to determine the preservation or the historical significane in on the three catagories. The Historic Preservation Committee will be in urban design element looking at other elements along Main Street such as landscaping, lighting and signing. That is what the map being presented will come in handy for. Groen asked Stanford to write a memo to City Council telling them where the Commission is on the project. Stanford mentioned to members the joint HPC and Planning and Zoning meeting which will be on the Historic Designa- tion at 5:00, November 4, in the Council Chambers. Color Scheme Stanford then gave his perspective on the color scheme. Members were referred to the memo which was in the agenda packet for the October 28 meeting. The memo was in reference to Towards a Policy for Reviewing Exterior Colors in the Commercial Core Historic District. The Code reads: "only to those structures that require building permit..." so the only time anything comes before HPC is when they need a building permit. The problem is that some people get a review and others don't. ?he Planning Office reconm]ends that HPC request through the Planning Office for City Council to initiate code change to include exterior color change; this would be a change in zoning code itself. The Code changes have to be made either by City Council or by Planning and Zoning Commission. The four basic main points in the memo were 1) the visual impression of the building should incorporate colors that relate to and compliment overall architecture of building, 2) color should not be the primary visual element to call attention to non-residential buildings, 3) colors should be related to colors in the Victorian era; earthy tones, 4) color should be what they would have appeared 10 years ago and will look appropriate 10 years from now. Groen mentioned that he would like to work with Stanford and do research on the colors back in the 1890's. Historic Preservation Committee 10-28-75 Mesa Store Popcorn Wagon Motion Tom Mix Building Motion Whale of Wash The applicant, Mr. Bradley wh~ own~ an~ op~Vat~e~ s~Mesa Store, ~requesting that~.a staircas~~-~uf~c§~e ~'~t~k~~ provide access to upstairs. Stanford told members that the Planning Office feels that as long as the color remains consistent with the existing color of Mesa Store that they would have no problem with it. This is a pre-application and is not designated his- toric yet. There was no motion made, applicant just asked to come before the Committee. Groen asked if in event the building is designated historic and Planning and Zoning approves the request would any member have problem with the staircase. No problem. Stanford mentioned the memo from City Attorney Stuller which was in the agenda packet of October 28 and explained what to do with the popcorn wagon. One element in strategy is designation of popcorn wagon as a historic landmark in the City. Cam Johnson was present and gave background on the wagon as to why it could possibly be a historic landmark. It was built in 1915 in Chicago, everything on it is hand done, the basic body is iron, and the wheels are oak. Stanford mentioned that the issue is to what extent the wagon is significantly and historically Aspen. In regard to the Planning Office they feel that it creates atmosphere, vitality; but wonder what part it plays in the cultural area. There was question as to whether the popcorn wagon was in the HPC's list of criteria so as to become histor~ ically designated. Stanford suggested that it be tabled until HPC does more research and suggested they ask the Historical Society to assist them. Burns made a motion to investigate the possibility of designating the popcorn wagon as a historic structure; seconded by Frost. All in favor, motion carried. Stanford explained that this is a proposal to put a balcony along the east side of the Tom Mix Building from the open space arcade. Planning Department is unable to support the balcony from standpoint that it will further enclose arcade and eliminates the open space. Planning Department is recommending denial of application and suggesting that staircase be enclosed within the walls of the building, thus resolving the need to provide access to second floor and would leave arcade space not so busy. Burns felt that since the application has no basis for a hardship and balconies are not in the list of criteria and only one stair is required for the existing configuration of second floor that they would more than likely deny the application. Stanford told applicant is what has to be judged is the impact the staircase will have with regard to the historic district or the intent of the historic district which is basically to promote Aspen's heritage the Victorian character of the City. Frost moved that since stairway not required by Code and because it is difficult to justify this presentation in relation to item 4 and 5 of criteria would entertain not to approve this application; seconded by Glidden. All in favor, motion carried. Stanford explained that George Parry was coming before Committee for an addition of second story on top of Whale of Wash. It would be second story by access of staircase in front of the building for purpose of providing teen center. -2- RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS 100 Leaves Regular Meeting Historic Preservation Committee October 28, 1975 Motion Brand Building Independence Building Parry presented the drawings and mentioned that the'~s~ia~s- would set back 30' so as not to change the viewplain. There will be a double deck up to be used in the summer time. Stanford said that Planning Office has no problems because it is an extension of same architectural part of building, it is not listed on historic building in areas. However, it would be wise to have a 3 or 4' landing and a door put at the bottom of the stairs. Glidden made a motion to request pre-application approval; seconded by Frost. All in favor, motion carried. Mona Frost left at 2:00 This will be presented before members but no action will be taken due to the fact that there is no quorum. Stanford explained that it will be the section of the Brand Building where the section of~ --- --th~kitchen~?~they plan to divide that space into two ~ with an entrance onto the sidewalk on Galena Street. Bruce Gordon represented the request and with him were Mr. Trost, Mr. Wright and Mr. Sands. Mr. Sands proposes to occupy north half as an optical shop. Glidden asked if the only exterior change would be a door. Gorden explained that at present there is no structural support between south third and central third-this is causing sagging above which is Peaches En Regalia and propose as part of alteration to put structural support. Groen asked feeling of Planning Department. Stanford mentioned that the problem is the concept of the building is it has a mall and we prefer to see the building have primary entrance by way of mall. Gorden felt that if everybody is using the same doorway and it swings out to the center of sidewalk and already has alot of congestion. Also it would constitute a fire hazard particularly from south side of building if there wasn't another entrance put in. Gorden also explained that he would like the entrance look exactly like the building and not have look as different as what the Leather Shop and Mountain Shop's do. Groen suggested that they bring a more detailed sketch for the next HPC meeting. The HPC will have a continuation of pre-application of use. Groen suggested that since there will be a quorum at the November 4 meeting they could meet one hour earlier and to put on the agenda, Aspen Arcades, Brand Building, and Independence Lodge for pre- application approval. Stanford presented Bill Thompson who showed remaining HPC members photographs of what the Independence Lodge looked like and what his proposal is. He would like to put up a brick wall because the former wall were old boards and kids kept kicking the boards in. What it will entail are two brick walls and a door and the brick wall will stop at the canopy. HPC would like to see the Independence Lodge restored totally some day. Since there was no quorum Thompson was asked to come to the November 4 meeting for pre-application approval. Meeting was adjourned for a continued meeting on November 4, at 4:00 p.m. in City Council Chambers. Eliza~Se~h ~. 'Kly~, ~eputy City Clerk