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HomeMy WebLinkAboutminutes.hpc.19750530RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS 100 Leaves Regular Meeting Historical Preservation committee May 30, 1975 Meeting was called to order by Chairman Lary Groen at 2:15 p.m. with members Mona Frost, Terry End and Bob Marsh. Also present was John Stanford. Ramona Markalunas Mrs. Markalunas noted that Chick Collins would be coming in for a request for elevator railings. Jerry Michael arrives. Groen felt that they shouldn't allow the railings since they were not part of the original building and Mrs. Frost recalled that there were some attached to the windows on the east and south sides. Groen noted that these were semi-circular wells and it was iron doors with glass insets. Mrs. Marka- lunas asked why the railings were required and Groen felt it had to be for light and ventilation. She felt that they should be able to handle it with artificial lighting. Mrs. Frost asked where the MAA fan would be put and Groen noted it would be under the stairs. Aspen Arts Festival Groen brought up the painting of the construction site boards for the Aspen Arts Festival and felt that these signs might lead to grafitti and regardless whether it was non-profit or not there was still an Ordinance against billboards. Mrs. Markalunas noted that the Historical Society might sponsor a Huck Finn Day and could have the youngsters whitewash the boards. Groen noted that he had made some inquiries and determined that the Woods and Vroom building owners had not given their permission. He also mentioned that the Building Inspector has said that all exteriors are subject to the review of the HPC. Tom Wells noted that they had just been trying to get people involved in the arts festival and the paint had been donated to them. If they had enough paint, they would paint over the boards after the festival. He also mentioned that he would advise his people of their feelings but noted that the City Manager had given his permission and he had not been told that the HPC had any jurisdiction over this. Michael felt that they shouldn't be interfering since he didn't feel they had any jurisdiction and the colors might help and be more pleasing than plywood. As for the plans for the kiosk in the mall, they didn't have a color rendering, explained Wells, as they hadn't found the fabric yet. Groen offered to loan them a canvas swatch book. Mrs. Frost felt that the sign boards might set a precedent but Michael said that the progress of construction was going so fast that these boards might be gone soon. Groen felt that they would be there at least during the summer season. Marsh said that they still had a billboard and sign Ordinance and it had to be upheld. Michael argued that it was a one time thing and he was willing to take a chance on it. City Attorney Stuller noted that it depended on the definition of a sign and she didn't feel that this constituted a sign. She suggested that Council hear the argument. Groen asked if it were private or public property and she said technically it was private property although the boards are in the street. She said that they only had jurisdiction over buildings in the historic core that were changing their exterior. Groen asked if it could be painted over right after the festival and Michael thought that they would probably have to supply the paint if they wanted it done. Groen asked for a straw vote with Groen, End, Glidden.~and Marsh for keeping the sign- boards out of the historic core and Michael against. Groen -1- HPC 5-30-75 Arts Festival Signs, suggested that they paint it out the Monday following the cont'd Festival, if possible but Michael questioned who would enforce that stipulation. Groen felt that Mahoney would have to rescind his permission. Motion Marsh moved to not allow any sign boards of the type proposed by the Aspen Arts Festival within the historical core area. Mrs. Frost seconded. All in favor, except for Michael, who voted nay. Motion carried. Ms. Stuller was asked by the secretary to come to the meeting to explain to members that they have to make a determination as to whether a project is of such small scale as to allow it to go through them without a public hearing. The code allows for preliminary approval if there are "very minor repairs". Michael questioned the word "minor" and Ms. Stuller noted that they had to make the determination of what is minor. The case in hand was the Winter Shop which was coming in for preliminary review although it would be a major facade remodeling. The HPC would have to decide if the project were large enough to need a public hearing. Winter Shop Architect John Rosolak and Owner Rick Henry presented plans to change the front of the Winter Shop. Rosolak noted that the present windows are too high off the street and poor for showing displays. Also next door is Sporthaus Lindner with the same brick and the Winter Shop comes off as an extension of that store. Henry wants to change the materials to aspenwood stained an earthy color and decreasing the amount of materials on the building. Groen asked if the door would be even with the front facade and Rosolak was affirmative on this. Rosolak noted that they didn't have any final colors but that the aspenwood would be a neutral color with darker accent colors. Groen noted that their first concern is that the windows are three different sizes and mostly horizontal. Part of their critieria is to try to get all windows more vertical in keeping with the older buildings. Also the aspenwood paneling is diagonal which was typical of the early buildings but not in evidence any more. The cornice also seems to be too contemporary. Groen felt that since the buildings was in a historical area, it should try to fit in better by keeping the brick, if possible. Mrs. Frost questioned their philosophy behind the change to the aspenwood to which Rosolak noted that he had like the looks of the wood. Michael asked what would be done to the canopy and Rosolak said that it would be wood'trim with th~ window' set in. Henry said that they had tried to give more of a treat- ment of the building and he felt that the window is ugly but they needed the display area. Groen felt that if the windows came closer to the ground, it would be similar to a Vail shop and that the use of the brick would go better. Marsh said that they couldn't complain about the contemporary look since they didn't want fake Victorians. Stanford said that he felt it was an improvement but thought that there was an excessive use of the wood. Mrs. Frost felt that the building had a definite leaning to the left and Stanford agreed that it should be more of an even rhythm. Henry noted that he felt fortunate, when he bought the store, to have those windows, but as his merchandise changed, the need to have more display area increased. He also noted that his store was constantly being confused with the ski store next to him and he wanted to separate the two stores through a different design. Groen asked if they could take the siding down to the end of the alley and applicant was agreable to this. -2- RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS 100 Leaves Regular Meeting Historical Preservation Committee May 30, 1975 Winter Shop, conrad Rosolak said that they were planning on subtle colors using shadows and not a lot of little boards. He noted it would be pre-stained wood. Groen stressed that he would like to see the s±ding all the way down the alley and Rosolak noted that the property went 60 feet down with one-half brick and the other half concrete block. Stanford asked if they would be changing the roof or adding any vent or air conditioning equipment and Rosolak replied in the negative. Marsh felt that they should be able to make a strong statement about the store without eliminating the brick. Michael thought that they should try the window treatment only and leave the brick. Motion Mrs. Frost moved to accept the preliminary drawings as shown to them subject to an alternate fascia being considered and final colors. Seconded by Ms. End. All in favor, motion carried. Mr, Henry asked that they allow him to have final approval as soon as possible and they asked the secretary to publish for a special meeting on June 20th. Aspen Leaf - final Charles Knight, co-owner of the Country Flower, noted that he and bis partner wanted to changethe bay window and make the fascia less tyrolean. He had made the change in the windows more linear with two of the windows being 15". There would be ornamental oak on the windows and they would be sticking to the colors presented to members during the preliminary hearing. Marsh asked if any of the windows would open and Knight said that the two outside ones would have three separate openings. Knight also noted that the Incredible Edibles had put up some lights and a shingle that would be taken down. Motion Marsh moved to approve the project subject to the detail and moulding being submitted to them. Michael seconded. All in favor, motion carried. WOH Collins and Mahoney came in to ask for a sidewalk window to provide air circulation in the basement of the Wheeler. Collins noted that he would use the existing railings and proposed two railings along the CMC & Thrift Shop openings. Collins asked for exemption from complete review based on the minor changes anticipated. Marsh asked if they would let it fill up in the winter and Collins noted it would fill up but not cause any problems with seepage. Marsh also asked if they planned any other light besides this outside light and Collins felt that this outside light would provide enough light. Michael questioned the accessibility and Collins noted it would either be french doors or a brick wainscot. Groen felt that they should be able to put in artificial lighting but Collins felt that what they have now isn't adequate for the basement. Groen said that it wouldn't be original to the building and he hesitated since it is on the historical register. It had been covered with iron doors but the railings were not there originally. Mahoney said that the city would keep the area clean &~d ~ree of debris. He felt that it was important to consider that the music school students would be taking most of the their meals there and it presently seems like the insides of a ship. Michael contended that restaurants such as Galena Street East all have dark basements. Groen asked how they would treat the existing wall in the basement and Collins noted that the MAA would handle that part of the remodeling. Mrs. Frost -3- HPC 5-30-75 WOH, cont'd Motion Motion Mall extensions Motion Resolution #1 Motion West End Lights felt that this extra window might be making more access for thieves but Collins felt that all areas would be secured. Stanford noted that there wouldn't be a significant change of the building using only 10 feet of the sidewalk which was less than the Pub was using. Marsh moved to approve the plans provided it is an open sidewalk and they put in a grill and they can close it down if its not working out. He felt that there should be a three year proviso or review. Groen suggested an iron grating instead - such as the one at the Hotel Jerome.but Mrs. Frost felt that kind gets too dirty. Marsh moved to accept the proposal and if it doesn't work and becomes an eyesore or nuisance, it can be taken out after one year. End seconded. All in favor, except for Groen, who voted nay. Motion carried. Members questioned how to address the structures in the mall. Mrs. Frost thought that they should all be allowed to go out into the mall. Groen felt that they should qualify their position on extensions. Mrs. Frost and Marsh were opposed to any more extensions. Marsh moved to say no to restaurants extending onto public rights-of-way. Mrs. Frost seconded. Groen wanted to clarify it to except on the present or future mall but Marsh didn't want to change his motion. Groen noted that there wouldn't be any more extensions after those granted this summer terminate as of October 31st of this year. Marsh amended his motion to include thatthe HPC concurs with the Mall Commission in not allowing any more extensions after all extensions terminate on October 31st. All in favor, motion carried. Groen read Resolution #1, series of 1975, regarding the changing of Garmisch to Center Street and encouraging the City to use the name Garmisch on new streets in the Rio Grande property. Mrs. Frost moved to approve Resolution #1. Ms. End seconded. All in favor, motion carried. Stanford noted that Council had not taken any action at their last meeting and this might help them decide. Groen noted that the West End might be getting some antique street lights, similar to the ones the City has put up. Stanford questioned if they could be made a little smaller and Groen said he would check into it. Members asked to postpone the field trip and Groen questioned whether they had to actually see the buildings or whether a picture couldn't be made of each house that would be researches. Mrs. Frost moved to adjourn and Ms. End seconded. Ail in favor, meeting adjourned at 4:30 p.m. ~erk